Making 9mm Pinfire Cartridges

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I found this Belgian pinfire revolver from the approximately the 1870's. In previous videos I showed an overview of this revolver and made the missing loading gate. In this video I demonstrate how I make the cartridges and then I shoot the revolver.
Overview video
• Belgian Pinfire Revolv...
Making the gate
• Making a Loading Gate ...
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All subjects featured on this channel are shown for historical and informational purposes only. All gunsmithing work is intended to restore the item to it's original condition, never modifying to serve any other purpose. In no way, shape or form is anything featured on this channel ever intended to be sold at any time. Any messages regarding selling a firearm, ammunition or an accessory will be removed. Everything shown is legal where the creator is located, please check your local laws.
00:00 Intro
02:09 Measuring
04:10 Case options
05:36 Case modifications
11:10 Pins
14:54 Test fit
16:05 Priming
18:57 Expanding
19:45 Powder
20:50 Wads
21:59 Bullets
23:00 Seating and crimping
25:16 Shooting

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  • @firchkn7932
    @firchkn793210 ай бұрын

    Great video as always, I’ve got a 7mm pinfire, now I got a starting point . Thanks !!

  • @rakumprojects

    @rakumprojects

    10 ай бұрын

    Good luck! If I ever find one I'd like a pocket revolver in 7mm

  • @cameroncraig7982

    @cameroncraig7982

    7 ай бұрын

    .22 Hornet is a great starting case for 7mm pinfire, and there are eley factory drawings available online for pinfire cartridges that are a great reference! Good luck!

  • @Kev-N42000
    @Kev-N420008 ай бұрын

    For my 12mm pinfire I used brazing rod to braze the hole shut and also used that same brazing rod cut into chunks to make the the firing pins

  • @Apollos77
    @Apollos774 ай бұрын

    Thank you so much for making this video! I just bought a 9mm Belgian, so this will really help me get started.

  • @DEARERFOB771
    @DEARERFOB7715 ай бұрын

    I have never nor will ever make this but I just love seeing your videos one of my favorite channels for sure

  • @MB-nn3jw
    @MB-nn3jw9 ай бұрын

    I first came across the initial pinfire restoration video, and stayed for all three. Great work.

  • @earlearl8850
    @earlearl88506 ай бұрын

    Absolutely amazing. I had no idea how to reload a pin gun. Now I might get one. Thank you!

  • @ironwolf1799
    @ironwolf17999 ай бұрын

    This is my new favorite channel

  • @Securitydude83
    @Securitydude836 ай бұрын

    What a labor of love. Nice work brother.

  • @johnnyholland8765
    @johnnyholland87658 ай бұрын

    I do some wildcatting of the old Sharps rounds where I have to make cases but you have taken it to another level. If I ever have need of pin fire bullets now I know how to make them. I would probably turn them from brass stock but your method seems to work well.

  • @cariboupetepeterson3711
    @cariboupetepeterson37119 ай бұрын

    Great video. You are a talented craftsman! Well Done!

  • @bushpilot1074
    @bushpilot10746 ай бұрын

    thank for your video , i juste bought a le faucheux , pocket like yours but in ,320 . but your loading pinfire video is excellent and intructive

  • @nicktrueman224
    @nicktrueman2246 ай бұрын

    That is identical to mine, but mine was in the very low 9mm. It was awhile ago and measured something like 8.90mm approx. They are allot of fun.

  • @russellcraven251
    @russellcraven25110 ай бұрын

    Always enjoy your videos, thanks for sharing.

  • @thetriode
    @thetriodeАй бұрын

    May I offer a thought? For the pins, take your lathe, grind a piece of HSS that will make the end profile what you want. Take your center and put a stop in it. Use a collet instead of your chuck (hopefully with a quick disengagement bar.) Feed the stock forward to the stop, then use the cutter to cut your pins. Make it so that one side is flat and the other is curved as required for making the rounded end. Absolutely incredible work by the way.

  • @rakumprojects

    @rakumprojects

    Ай бұрын

    Great idea, that would certainly help speed production. I've been meaning to get some sort of collet chuck for the lathe to hold small parts such as the pins.

  • @kokorico5416
    @kokorico54168 ай бұрын

    Excellent work.Well done!

  • @ExpLaser
    @ExpLaser3 ай бұрын

    Для заполнения отверстия капсуля можно попробовать использовать медную или латунную заклепку. Просто расклепать кусочек провода.

  • @alaskaruss1
    @alaskaruss19 ай бұрын

    Truly enjoyed your video and your talents!!! ❤

  • @VS-ff4ez
    @VS-ff4ez4 ай бұрын

    What an outstanding video! Well done sir. Have you ever chronographed your pinfire loads?

  • @rakumprojects

    @rakumprojects

    4 ай бұрын

    I'll get a chance to this summer. Can't imagine them being very fast at all

  • @Whofan91
    @Whofan9110 ай бұрын

    Incredible work, as always. I'm willing to bet you turned a head or two when you whipped it out at the range😊

  • @rakumprojects

    @rakumprojects

    10 ай бұрын

    Yes! Everytime I shoot it I get at least a few questions

  • @ol1guy994
    @ol1guy9945 ай бұрын

    Thanks, great video

  • @mrbyamile6973
    @mrbyamile69736 ай бұрын

    Great video, I had a good idea thats how a pinfire cartridge was made but excellent seeing it done. I might just own an old pin fire somw day, they intrigue me. Must be a very weak cartridge at 8 grains, I see why they evolved into a more modern cartridge. The history of firearm development is my interest.

  • @RabbitusMaximus
    @RabbitusMaximus7 ай бұрын

    nice job!!!

  • @apaput140
    @apaput1403 ай бұрын

    Eres un artista.

  • @tafino
    @tafino4 ай бұрын

    Amazing!!!🎉

  • @barthanes1
    @barthanes14 ай бұрын

    That was involved. I think those rounds are worth about $50 each. Maybe more.

  • @Thecompanioncrate
    @Thecompanioncrate10 ай бұрын

    Funny enough the only commercially produced pinfire ammo I know of still made today is 2mm pinfire blanks (for tiny watch fob guns).

  • @nicktrueman224
    @nicktrueman2246 ай бұрын

    Oh I found a quicker solder solution you could use? I cut a strip of brass sheet about .8 or just 1mm, then I fluxed the plate face, not all the area but I fluxed and stood the precut brass tubing onto the plate and soldered say 6 at a time. I degreased all surface areas. I placed the strip on a nice flat hebal or use a jeweler's brick. And I found low melt pnt silver solder was very strong. Then you simply cut the gaps and remove excess brass with sharp cutters and remove excess completely off on the linersher. I used dowl that was tight and put it in the case for the linersher to sand off excess.

  • @SilverSaxon
    @SilverSaxon8 ай бұрын

    Have you reloaded those cases multiple times? Any trouble removing the spent caps from inside the case? This is fascinating and I love seeing these old obsolete guns able to shoot again.

  • @rakumprojects

    @rakumprojects

    8 ай бұрын

    Yes, I have some that have been reloaded a few times now. The only issue I've seen is that the hole for the pin gets looser, requiring nail polish to keep the pin in place. Other than that, no issues.

  • @Johnny-jr2lq
    @Johnny-jr2lq3 ай бұрын

    Your pin fire cases with out the lathe work done and sized to .356 makes great 350 legend projectiles…… I really need a lathe and a mill. I was able to turn 308 Winchester cases into 35 Remington. However if I had a lathe the process of reforming the extractor groove would have been so much easier. Instead of using a drill and a file but we make do with what we have.

  • @colint
    @colint8 ай бұрын

    Instead of plumbers solder which is 50% lead 50% tin you should try Electronics solder which is 63% Tin and 37% Lead. This is harder/stronger. If you have a problem with the flash hole plug coming out then maybe using a drill to put a chamfer on the inside before you solder it will help. Also, filing anything with lead in it is a bad idea, you will get lead dust in the air and it's poisonous if ingested. Might also be safer to bell the case mouth *before* installing the primer/percussion cap.

  • @Geo64x

    @Geo64x

    7 ай бұрын

    He actually used lead free solder, not sure what composition it is though

  • @gymntonic
    @gymntonic2 ай бұрын

    Great work on the pin fire cases. Just curious how well they reload after firing?

  • @rakumprojects

    @rakumprojects

    2 ай бұрын

    The holes for the pins get looser over time, but the case itself and the solder hold up fine.

  • @deamoneater357
    @deamoneater3578 ай бұрын

    There is or was a guy making reloading kits for pinfires.

  • @plasma5545
    @plasma55458 ай бұрын

    this is awesome but mechanically these bullets seem horribly tedious and impractical... if you dont mind my asking what exactly is the advantage to pinfire? seems like a really cool little piece of fire arm history.

  • @rakumprojects

    @rakumprojects

    8 ай бұрын

    In the era they were made, pinfire cartridges were a massive step up from cap and ball or paper cartridges. They were quickly surpassed by rimfire and centerfire cartridges for practical reasons

  • @plasma5545

    @plasma5545

    8 ай бұрын

    @@rakumprojects thanks for the reply! i assumed they were adjacent to centerfire cartridges, but knowing they came before makes them all that much more cooler.

  • @6strings1pickup12
    @6strings1pickup126 ай бұрын

    I need something to carry soon when I go elk hunting, too many Grizzlies around. Can I borrow this?

  • @lionheartz1337
    @lionheartz13375 ай бұрын

    Now thaat you have a process how reasonable/expensive is it for you to load up for a day at the range? is it like a load the rounds one day shoot the next type of thing?

  • @rakumprojects

    @rakumprojects

    5 ай бұрын

    I don't shoot much in a session, I'll probably bring 20-30rds for this. Reloading the cases is cheap, normal 9mm cast bullets, percussion cap and a tiny charge amount

  • @hawssie1
    @hawssie12 ай бұрын

    my revolver appears very close if not identical to this one and after getting it was surprised to find that it was double action. Curious if yours is as well as I haven't seen you shoot it that way.

  • @SilntObsvr
    @SilntObsvr5 ай бұрын

    I'd love to get a pinfire revolver, but I just looked at GunBroker, and the cheapest ones I saw were above $500 in what looked like so-so condition. Maybe when I have some money to spare I'll have to prowl the local gun shows. Meantime, I still need to decide whether to convert my .32 Rimfire Long revolver to centerfire .38 Colt or make up cases with offset nail gun blanks for ignition. I hate to alter a gun that's more than a century old, but loading ersatz rimfires requires perfect alignment, and the nail gun blanks seem likely to cause an overload in a gun made for black powder only.

  • @JLHU-ks8ir

    @JLHU-ks8ir

    2 күн бұрын

    I am late but you can use 6mm flobert blanks (22 bb cap) used for starter pistols. they dont have that much powder in them, so they wont cause an overload. even in a .22 (normal bullet) the cap alone can cause a squib.

  • @SilntObsvr

    @SilntObsvr

    2 күн бұрын

    I understood Flobert ammunition, both with and without bullet, was powered only by the primer, like Aguila Kolibri ( only too short for most modern .22 guns).

  • @allanrichards3752
    @allanrichards37526 ай бұрын

    A very interesting video. I have a pin fire revolver here in the UK as a wall hanger. They are legal antiques because it is assumed ammo for them is unobtainable however, you have proven that wrong. with the way you constructed the cartridges. I dare say it would be illegal for us to make the ammo to take them to the range though.

  • @JLHU-ks8ir

    @JLHU-ks8ir

    2 күн бұрын

    no you can get a license for that

  • @JandRJarmsandammo
    @JandRJarmsandammo10 ай бұрын

    Excellent work, I do have a question that’s a little off topic.For bullet lube I’ve heard of bee wax and animal tallow,but not crisco. Did crisco work good as tallow?

  • @rakumprojects

    @rakumprojects

    10 ай бұрын

    I don't have any experience with beeswax and tallow, I've always used beeswax and crisco. It seems to work well, it's hard to tell on the pinfire but in my black powder rifles the fouling cleans out very easily.

  • @Dani-pe2lt
    @Dani-pe2lt7 ай бұрын

    Good job!

  • @n0tquitesane
    @n0tquitesane6 ай бұрын

    Very cool, but my question is how do you reload them? Also, it seems you found a use for Berdian primed 9mm.

  • @rakumprojects

    @rakumprojects

    6 ай бұрын

    I reload them the same way that I make them. The cases don't really expand in the chambers, so they don't require sizing.

  • @n0tquitesane

    @n0tquitesane

    6 ай бұрын

    @@rakumprojects What about re-priming? do you just knock the old cap off, and glue on a new one?

  • @rakumprojects

    @rakumprojects

    6 ай бұрын

    @@n0tquitesane Yes. The only thing I've noticed is that the fit of the pin gets looser. Cases that had a snug fit before firing now have a loose fit and require nail polish to hold the pin in place

  • @n0tquitesane

    @n0tquitesane

    6 ай бұрын

    @@rakumprojects thanks. That sounds easy enough. Now all I need is a pinfire revolver.

  • @robertrobert7924
    @robertrobert79249 ай бұрын

    This was a great how to video and very relaxing to watch. I have been casting pure lead bullets this morning for black powder revolvers. I made a test paper cartridge using flash paper and flash glue, and a .44 Johnson & Dow bullet seated upon 30 grains of 3F Goex. I hope to shoot them in my Pietta 1860 Army and 1848 Uberti Whitneyville Dragoon later this month. I own a 7mm pocket pinfire revolver. My brother made brass cartridge tubes for me and dummy heeled aluminum bullets. I made the pins like you did and drilled the case holes. I did not make shootable cartridges because the 7mm cases are just too small to work with. You did a great job on your 9mm ones. Did your soldered Luger brass center holes hold up good enough to reload ?

  • @rakumprojects

    @rakumprojects

    9 ай бұрын

    I've reloaded some cases 3-4 times now and the solder holds up no problem. Some of the pin holes do get looser though.

  • @robertrobert7924

    @robertrobert7924

    9 ай бұрын

    @@rakumprojects That is great. I had never seen solder used before. I have watched Dr. Durell Shepard fill centerfire holes with threaded brass bolt shafts and then drilling above to retrofit for rimfire.

  • @rakumprojects

    @rakumprojects

    9 ай бұрын

    @@robertrobert7924 I've seen people do that for pinfires as well. Solder is much quicker though and holds up well enough, especially for small calibers where theres very little pressure

  • @robertrobert7924

    @robertrobert7924

    9 ай бұрын

    @@rakumprojects You have certainly proved that.

  • @teufelboy666
    @teufelboy6665 ай бұрын

    Kein wunder das sich das nicht gegen die Zentralfeuerpatrone durch gesetzt hat ^^.

  • @gamebriz4163
    @gamebriz416310 ай бұрын

    👌👍

  • @truereaper4572
    @truereaper45724 ай бұрын

    Are the casings able to be reloaded and reused?

  • @rakumprojects

    @rakumprojects

    4 ай бұрын

    Yes, though the holes for the pins do loosen up

  • @pecospest
    @pecospest7 ай бұрын

    Having a lathe , the easiest thing is to turn the cases from brass rod , and copy the design of hlebooks for the percussion cap holder

  • @kevinmarrett9532
    @kevinmarrett95324 ай бұрын

    The only thing I don’t understand is why such a weak powder charge?

  • @rakumprojects

    @rakumprojects

    4 ай бұрын

    The construction and steel quality in these is pretty questionable. Cap and ball revolvers like Colts and Remingtons are much better built. Better safe than sorry

  • @tonyhamady498
    @tonyhamady4984 ай бұрын

    👏👏👏👌👍🙏😉❤️

  • @jackvogenitz4284
    @jackvogenitz42845 ай бұрын

    do you reload those

  • @rakumprojects

    @rakumprojects

    5 ай бұрын

    Yes. The only thing I've noticed is that the hole for the pin gets slightly looser.

  • @gerbloosh4858
    @gerbloosh48589 ай бұрын

    Don't drop it holy shit that was a bad idea for safely carrying a gun

  • @luzernerschutze7564
    @luzernerschutze75644 ай бұрын

    Your channel is a goldmine for milsurp-enthusiasts! Have a sub

  • @sirlordbabish3873
    @sirlordbabish38739 ай бұрын

    just get a machine shop bro

  • @BloopTube

    @BloopTube

    8 ай бұрын

    He's got a lathe,a vise and all the hand tools he needs. What else would he need

  • @johnnyholland8765

    @johnnyholland8765

    8 ай бұрын

    Small table top mill like a Grizzley would come in handy for a lot of his projects...@@BloopTube

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