The first rule of French gun club ..... don't tell Ian mc😜

@walkingcontradiction223

Жыл бұрын

I think he's already the Tyler Durden of French gun club.

@davidtuttle7556

Жыл бұрын

@@walkingcontradiction223 can you blame him? The French have done so much weird and wonderful stuff.

I love these deep dive videos into the origins of different systems. Excellent presentation, Le Chap.

Thank you for this excellent video presentation. Im a 72 year old firearms nut and former ammunition manufacturer with 5 patents (see U S Patent # 4,216,722A). This is the first time I could understand how a pinfire works! Thanks again

The "fire piston" made a brief return many years later. American BB gun maker Daisy had a caseless 22 ignited by heated compressed air v

@thebotrchap

Жыл бұрын

Interesting! I’ll have to look it up.

@gresvig2507

Жыл бұрын

You can still find ammo here and there, but it's getting more uncommon. Didn't last long as the ATF ruled that if any combustion was going on it's a firearm and not an air gun. That applies to liquid fuels as well-- I asked a while back for one of my hairbrained ideas.

@myparceltape1169

Жыл бұрын

​@@gresvig2507 All the more reason for a Railgun.

Still can't believe I passed up the opportunity to hoard a load of pinfires after some old bastard collector died.

During the American Civil War, the Federal government did purchase some Lefaucheux revolvers and they issued them to the Missouri State Militia. This was the only metalic cartridge fired revolver purchased by (and issued by) the Federal government during the war. All others that saw service with the Union during the "War of Attempted Secession" were of private purchase.....So I have read.

@thebotrchap

Жыл бұрын

Yes indeed, there is even a semi official serial number block for the batch somewhere. I chose to remain vague since I don’t have concrete facts for the US service.

You made my day with this presentation. I learned so much. I have a tiny 7mm pinfire revolver that my brother and I made dummy cartridges for on his lathe. I was astonished by the fire piston ignition system. I have always wondered why a centerfire cartridge took so long to be put into production. Thank you so much for this excellent presentation. I am a huge fan of the percussion to self contained cartridge era. I own many Uberti pistols converted to centerfire.

Thanks Chap, it was really interesting to learn about these early cartridges and to see examples from your collection of antique French service pistols.

I think the channel name needs to be changed from “bloke on the range” to “chap in the shed”. Not a criticism, I love this stuff!

Regarding the image flashed at 15:30, it's just a random view as per 10:00. No hidden message or joke etc.

I had no idea the French were so advanced technologically in firearms. Great video.

So Pauly invents the Daisy VL system as well.

I never knew about the fire piston ignition system. I find that idea to be brilliant. I'm sure its fragile and expensive to make. But would be a very fun project to make as a replica today.

@Kaboomf

Жыл бұрын

I suspect it fouls up quickly from black powder gunk blowing back into the cylinder.

@MandoWookie

Жыл бұрын

Im pretty sure Daisy used it in the 50s for their caseless rifle.

@derekp2674

Жыл бұрын

@@MandoWookie They did indeed.

@snappers_antique_firearms

Жыл бұрын

@@MandoWookie interesting I did not know this. I'll have to check that out. thank you

@myparceltape1169

Жыл бұрын

I'm sure it would be fun, but insure your fingers before you load. Best given to a rich elderly relative for testing. I hope you have some machining success.

The subtitles are really hard on the Inventor Eugène Lefaucheux O.o 0:29 Thank you for putting this together and all those that collaborated. Thanks again for the links that are really in the description and not just named. That happens a lot on yt.

here in Uruguay it was the prevalent tipe of revolver tru the 19 and first years of the 20 century apearing as private purchase for civilians and oficers it participated from the triple aliance war against Paraguay tru several revolutions of the 19 century and you can find pieces in all calibers mainly two bareled pistols in 32cal and 38 and from belgian and spanish origin its rare to find original french ones , in revolvers there were in all calibers 11 ,12 . even in 15 mm tru monsters of big pistols

Merci beau coup, Msr F.

Lovely run through of the history of the pistol the strip down and on the range great post Chappie

An interesting design. I can actually imagine how this might evolve into both centerfire - kind of obvious- and rimfire - less obvious, but think about the possible thought process: "hey what if instead of using this internal firing pin and primer cup apparatus, we just put the priming compound along the rim and we re orient the hammer so that it smashes the rim into the chamber"...

Great job thank you sir

As always excellent content,very informative

excellente presentation, chap!

Beautiful revolver, great video. Thank you.

An excellent and interesting video! Thank you!

Fascinating vid Chappie, thank you very much!

Love your content!

Thanks chappy, that was the best discription of these revolvers I've seen to date and answered most of my questions!

Excellent presentation, and highly informative. Thank you.

Interesting concept, thanks for the informative video.

aaron newcomer is a true chad, i enjoy reading his articles and i believe he is active on some sort of pinfire forums as well.

Great video as always.

Sorry about my lateness. Don't have the publications at hand but there is a series of four books on ammunition manufacture during the U.S. Civil War. It shows the pinfire revolvers purchased and issued to troops on the Western Frontier. Several thousand I believe. Enough that the cartridges were made here. After some use the army had them up the loading greatly. To near .44 percussion if my memory is correct. I read a story about a Confederate trooper being hit in the forehead with an imported pinfire round. Knocked out cold but didn't enter the skull. If I am in error feel free to correct me. K

I love the idea of Napoleon with breach loading centerfire metallic cartridge arms. And air ships.

"Fire Piston" Soo a pneumatic piston, on a rack and pinion, controlled by the trigger? The dude invented the first airsoft rifle,

Hey nice Finally a long video about pinfires in english

Hi chap Another excellent informative quality content as usual keep up the great work Bestest from Scotland 👍👍

Thank you for answering one of the two mysteries I have with my gun, it is a Webley Bentley model in 9mm and has no protruding recoil shield to protect cartridge pins. I thought initially it had be modified to remove them, but on closer inspection it had never had one. Second mystery that maybe someone can answer, is why each chamber is numbered externally.

@thebotrchap

Жыл бұрын

It wouldn’t be the first time I’ve seen numbered chambers on revolvers. Maybe something g to do with proofing requirements at the time?

Nobody Likes Pinfire revolvers....yet everyone LOVES pinfire revolovers :)

I always find it interesting how cost sensitive armies could be during the time period. While military waste was still a thing, the penny pinching mania seems quite the departure from the whole modern "we're going to pay you millions of dollars to develop a system that may or may not work, may or may not be on time, or on budget, for that matter. " Of course, that created its own issues, such as decreased readiness, morale issues (For a soldier I listed, to grow great in fame. And be shot at for sixpence a day.“ - Charles Dibdin.), and loss of technological advantage over potential adversaries.

@quentintin1

Жыл бұрын

in the armies of the time, mass was often preferred over individual firepower, especially for handguns as they were more often a last resort and even for the frontline troops who were equipped with them (cavalry), they were a sidearm to the sabre or the lance there was also the fact that it was a relative period of peace for the european powers, and a period of colonial expansion so needs for having "the better gun" weren't as pressing, while concerns of shipping troops with arms and ammunition were very much across all minds (everything had to be ultimately carried by the footman as the motor carriage was still a long way) there was also simply that metallic cartridges hadn't fully matured yet, be it in their conception or fabrication, and they costed a lot in a period of large (for their population) armies these days armies are much smaller than even 30 years ago, so the individual qualities of the equipments matter more, also while the weapons evolved a lot and cost a pretty penny, so did their targets, we fire millon dollar missiles at jet fighters that cost 10x more

@KarltheKrazyone

Жыл бұрын

@@quentintin1 As you say, when you are putting a million troops in the field as opposed to ten thousand, price matters in a very different way. We certainly think in vastly different scales than armies once did, and that makes a big difference to the comparisons. Much like a business now might consider an hour of labour to be a higher cost than a few dollars of consumables, whereas in the past a penny could be saved by a single person's daily labour. These equations change.

@itatane

Жыл бұрын

@@quentintin1 Well put, Max

Very interesting episode. I have nothing interesting to add so here’s one for the algorithm.

Guillame’s book really is quite good! Cool vid chappie, looking forwards to the reloading. Any idea where I might get info on the Gauthier Jeune revolver? I’ve only found a single article from Les Gazette des Armes no 348.

Notification gang. It would be cool to have a pinfire cartridge in my collection.

@LetMeEducateYou-vj6un

Жыл бұрын

This fired a black powder load, not smokeless powder. That would come later..in 1886

I remember seeing pictures of and reading about a rifle who's charge was set off with a coiled spring loading pistonl with a tiny transfer port it looked very much like an air rifle can't remember the name of the book

@derekp2674

Жыл бұрын

Was it one of these: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mKVrzqSje5jHdM4.html

Neat

I imagine this would be dangerous to drop. It essentially has a ring of exposed firing pins on all sides ready to fire out of battery with the slightest bump.

@Beuwen_The_Dragon

4 ай бұрын

No more than any other percussion revolver. And many pinfire revolvers/pistols/pepperbox/rifles/shotguns had a guard around the exposed pin.

hello can u do a disassembly guide step by step please

Lucky guy ! The 1858 in its original version is hard to find and very expensive. Just a little remark if I may : the 1858 isn't blued whatsoever, it is always polished and left in the white, even if it looks curious for a weapon made for a navy and its harsh service conditions

@thebotrchap

Жыл бұрын

From my research I am of the opinion that they were initially produced blued. Examples are seen in Henri Vuillemin’s « Les revolvers militaires français » and D.Casanova/J.B Bastie « Les armes de la royale ». It is entirely possible that the bluing was then stopped early in production and stripped when revolvers went in for repair or upgrading in the mit 1860s since I have never seen an example of a blued one with a rod guide or an NT or T modification. It would make sense to remove the bluing when machining and soldering needed to be done. The bluing on this one is 100% original and even throughout.

@laurentdevaux5617

Жыл бұрын

​@@thebotrchap Interesting ! As far as I am concerned, all the untouched navy 1858 I've seen were polished, just like the other weapons of the navy (like the 1870 revolver you show). Even the repeating 1878 Kropatschek rifle, which was only used by the navy, was polished even though the Gras 1874 the army used then was blued since the very beginning. Some 1858 were blued, but most often these guns are those made for the private market and used in quite large numbers by the French officers during the 1870 war. But they are easily recognizable as they don't have, first of all, the markings of the Manufacture impériale de Saint-Etienne. It should be interesting to know what Vuillemin says about this, if he says something. Anyway, a splendid revolver you have here, I envy you...

Any chance of rimfire shotgun getting covered? Based on my research in mail order catalogs, pinfire seems to have had deeper market penetration in the US than most people give it credit for (not common, but hardly nothing), just near exclusively for shotguns (presumably a symptom of Rollin White patent). I've seen listings for pinfire cartridges and/or reloading components for such listed into the interwar (though ones that late tend to be small mentions in less prominent places of the catalog). Only saw one listing for revolver cartridges, and it only had three cartridges listed.

One thing I always wondered is what the sigil in the lower left in your intro stands for.

@thebotrchap

Жыл бұрын

Munitions- und Feuerwaffenneuinstandssetzungsbüchsenmacherwerkstattzentrale Niederlassung Chapingdorf

If I had been in the gunfight at the OK corral, knowing my luck, THIS is the revolver I likely would have on my hip that day. Probably would have been a 20 year old, beat-up Lefaucheux revolver. Imagine trying to reload - lining up the cylinder knotches with the pins in the ammo, as 5 or 6 other guys are there trying to kill you.

@Beuwen_The_Dragon

4 ай бұрын

It isn’t quite as cumbersome as you might think. The pin being exposed allows one to more readily line up the pin via touch, and it is certainly faster than using a percussion cap revolver, even with paper cartridges.

Ah the Swiss, the only nation in the world without a word for complicated.

I have a wall hanger 1858 or a Belgian copy that was converted to a 38 colt? Centerfire that was owned by my great great grandfather. Not sure if he had it during his time as a kaptain in the early German Navy and had it converted or if he bought it converted when he immigrated to the US

@thebotrchap

Жыл бұрын

For 38 colt to work it would have to have been a (civilian) 9mm pinfire revolver. However the conversion to centrefire is entirely possible, I’ve seen it done on several examples.

Amazing .. Would you have a webley bentley pistol

@thebotrchap

Жыл бұрын

Outside of my collecting sphere unfortunately

@fireformedwind9376

Жыл бұрын

@@thebotrchap yeah not much information about them

@derekp2674

Жыл бұрын

@@fireformedwind9376 I see there are a few in the Royal Armouries collection. Perhaps they might be persuaded to feature them in an article or video.

Was the pin fire system Subject to the Rollin White Patent?

@thebotrchap

3 ай бұрын

No because the pinfire revolver was patented a year before the Rollin White system.

Wherever he is, Ian's ears just pricked up.

Reloaded pinfire rounds????

@thebotrchap

Жыл бұрын

What about them?

@nono-jj9rr

Жыл бұрын

@@thebotrchap Shocked to see them, do you have a video about the reloading process?

@thebotrchap

Жыл бұрын

@@nono-jj9rr Someone wasn't paying attention 😜 As hinted at in the thumbnail and mentioned during the shooting section, the full reloading process vid will come out on Utreon next week 😃

@Beuwen_The_Dragon

4 ай бұрын

@@nono-jj9rrthere are videos abound on reloading pin fires. It is rather simple.

10:00

3:12 Are you certain that's Swiss? It looks far too simple.

Got one, by the way I'm French 😂 those are cool

Far out.

Excellent presentation as always Chap. I have a 7mm commercial pinfire revolver which is great fun to load and shoot BUT the cylinder timing is a bit out so I have to be careful that it lines up!!