Isn't it the dealer's responsibility to form the main and side pots before dealing the rest of the hand?

@jeffboyd7867

2 күн бұрын

Said this exact thing on another video about this. That has always been my experience, regardless of whether it is tourney play or cash game.

@terrygracy8345

2 күн бұрын

Absolutely

@seanmcgowan8819

2 күн бұрын

Dealer here, and i can tell you that is indeed the dealers job. The player shld also be watching the whole time, not running away from the action. All that said, its still clearly a scumbag move by Men, who i believe purposely took advantage of the situation

How is no one talking about the dealer doing a bad job here?

Why didnt the dealer break chips down to verify the amounts? It's deep in a huge tournament and Day 2, if I'm not mistaken. Come on WSOP.

@YouTubeaidsreal

9 күн бұрын

I made this mistake before realizing as i pulled everything into the center chaos ensued 😂

@ShinestuHiko

9 күн бұрын

Shut ur mouth ! The dealer has family also

@yt.personal.identification

9 күн бұрын

​@@ShinestuHiko He should have thought about them before failing to do his job properly.

@mrheckles6076

8 күн бұрын

There's isn't THAT many good dealers, that's all there is to it.

@kingcardboard4667

8 күн бұрын

@@ShinestuHiko okay so since they have a family they shouldnt do their job correctly? You hiring?

A huge event like the WSOP and they can't refer to camera footage or anything concrete to figure it out? That is a huge fail on The Horseshoe's part and shows how cheap their parent company Caesar's Entertainment really is in putting money into customer satisfaction and only is there to rake their profits from their marks.

He should get black listed for his bull 💩 stunt for that. He knew exactly what he was doing

Is name is Men The Snake Nguyen. And the floor obviously lied about reviewing the footage. They clearly can not see on camera what happens. The ruling of the braindead incompetent floor is mind-boggling.

@joesmith9053

6 күн бұрын

what did he do?/

The guy got screwed. There has to be a boss (dealer) at the table, and the eye in the sky should catch it all.

Surely the dealer is meant to deal with the pot, once the rivers dealt, Players should keep there hands off any chips past the line. until authorised

No room for cheaters at the table, get this guy out of the wsop

@BitcoinMotorist

7 күн бұрын

We don't know for sure Men cheated. The video of him pulling his chips back isn't the smoking gun everyone is making it out to be. He covered the two other players and the side pot was split so it makes sense that he would pull his chips back. I think this is a dealer error

@ginjjiigok364

7 күн бұрын

@@BitcoinMotorist Several different stories have come up over the years though. Stories of him having a team of of chip movers working for him. stories of them saving tournament chips and so on. Im just a fan and i dont know shit, but ive been a fan for decades and have seen several stories come out on men. Dude should be watched like a hawk and have a thin rope at the very least

The video of Men Nguyen taking back some chips is silly it's no proof of anything. If player A was allin for 4.5m and player B reshoved 10m, called by Men, then he had a side pot of 11m with player B. As both held AK, they shared that pot, so it's just normal to take back these chips on that case. As for the main pot, we are left with nothing confirmed, the real stack sizes before and just after the hand, if there had been action until the redraw, if the dealer had separated both pots properly, etc. It's just impossible to tell anything.

@timcross2510

8 күн бұрын

We can count

players should not be involved in chip counting after a pots won and another player reaching into help count others chips should never happen but does

The dealer has to create the main pot and side pots. Why this wasnt done before the draw is crazy. It doesn't make sense though. Why is his stack not in front of him, so after the hand its counted and the blinds are set apart. Very weird hand. If i go all in three ways i put my Chips in or a single chip but confirming the all in while verbally, why was his stack somewhere else, why did the dealer not collect the right amounts from each other player. Soundy skiddish. Maybe even dealer other player scheming

A dishonest poker player? C'mon you have to be kidding. lol

@MegaLBreezy

3 күн бұрын

Seriously

It looked like a star trek convention, with a bunch of old burnouts.

This actually looks worse for the whole wsop than it does men. This is enough to make me not ever want to play a wsop tournament

100% dealers fault. Once it's called your supposed to pull in the main and side pots. Total failure on the dealers fault.

a) dealer should have had chips in the 2 pots. b) player who won should have stayed at table and not celebrated. c) WSOP should checked video or if they knew chip values checked stacks. Could have counted men’s stack. d) be wary of men at your table.

How did the dealer screw this up?

Nothing new for this guy. I hung with some of the top players when Men came on the scene, and they were all skeptical of his honesty.

The real problem is the Dealer not counting the involved players’ chips before pushing the pot. Some of the dealers let players count their own chips and assume it’s all correct.

I always get a laugh out on Bonomo calling out poker cheats and for permanent bans. What a mong. He really believes everyone forgot what he did.

@bullyboy131

5 күн бұрын

What did he do?

@nathjohn3158

5 күн бұрын

@@bullyboy131 multi accounting on stars, got a long ban. Should have been life.

@LeagueProReplays

25 минут бұрын

@@bullyboy131caught multi-accounting on PartyPoker and banned on multiple sites.

What’s crazy is there been accusations of him cheating like this for decades. Before “moneymaker “ boom even back to when camera weren’t all over. Been accusations all the time over last 10 years yet nothing happens. Yes he’s an old school poker celb and respected by casinos staff but how long and many times will he be allowed to cheat with no repercussions. One of my poker buddies in home circle even had a run in at Bellagio 5/6 years ago. Accused him of pulling chips off the table before calling an all in. Even before the floor came He had nerve to ask my friend to go outside of course he’ll oblige. Then he said no we wait on floor and they clearly saw it and made him put back 2 1k chips but it was more like 6 chips he took off. Started making a scene saying check his pockets knowing they can’t an won’t.

There are only so many competent dealers out there willing to do the job. The bigger the even, the less competent the average dealer will be and the more other avenues are needed to make up for that and assure the integrity of the game. I'm not saying anything personally about this dealer, and clearly everyone is human, but this is just simple logic. I could easily see a team of quick-moving chip handlers that come around and sort out the pot whenever there is a side pot or all-in situation just to take some mental load off the main dealer.

Men “The master cheat” Nguyen

its the dealers fault

Whats the mystery here wsop? Do your job. Its negligence pure and simple. The dealer didn't award the proper amount. Floor should have figured it out. If they cant then , thats what the cameras are for.

i thought the dealer was meant to sort that stuff out, he short have kept quiet till he got his chips, thats the only thing that matters

I think the dealer was inexperienced.

A game known forever for great cheaters and cheating. No referees! If I was younger, or even if I could walk to my mailbox , I would be offering cheap insurance of the most basic kind

his animation was a bit much,

I don't think he stole the chips Intentionally

I’m pretty sure Daniel doesn’t like men.

Banned? ARRESTED FOR GRAND THEFT!!!

Men giving men a bad name…. 😏

Hope that 4.5 million chip victory lap was worth it. Next time, ACT LIKE A GENT, and get paid in full like one too-

yeah he was shortchanged

Maybe don't celebrate and keep focused at the table???? Men ripped him off. Simple

Daniel with his surgical beard and hair. That’s so embarrassing.

so men took all of his chips back? he is a cheater. but dealer should of took all the chips from other players and not let men touch his chips.

If i sat next to men i would have said something. Such a rookke mistake

Didn't they shoot people for that

How do we know that J5 smitty has 4.5 million? If anything Men assumed that the dealer actually did their job. Or that the floor did their job considering they we tableside

so i had the idea of putting RFID chips inside poker chips and display the player stack amount at all time on the table. it could solve a bunch of problem and also making it easier for new player etc... great business idea? great for the community? dont get me wrong i hated electronic table when they were thing. but an hybrid table. i think its worth trying and getting a look at. what do you think????

@kingcardboard4667

9 күн бұрын

I work with RFID chips currently and they are crap. They go dead and dont always display the correct amounts plus they can be reprogrammed and rep high demon chips.

@philbbb7753

9 күн бұрын

@@kingcardboard4667 any other idea to display the amount of the stack at all time on the poker table. may be magnet or something than?

@kingcardboard4667

8 күн бұрын

@@philbbb7753 it would have to be digital so no chips at all. Like the cruise ship poker things

This guy is sucker instead of celebrating he should've been watching the inexperienced dealer making sure he got paid correctly, Men played him like a true master!

WSOP IS CRAP POKER!

no proof you can't accuse cheating

@commonsenseisntcommon1776

3 күн бұрын

video evidence!

maybe 10% of the cheating /colluding in these poker rooms gets caught , 90% runs free. afterall if you're a grinder you must cheat to win in any given year

Cheat in a taped event not smart.