I would shake my head and roll my eyes if I ever saw a "professional" driving giant fasteners with a small 12v driver meant for light duty installation/work.

When you put the drills on a heavy load, you need to put in setting 1 or low speed. Naturally you will burn out drills over and over if you don’t make an effort to utilize the speed settings. Some loads simply just need a larger drill and even then a larger drill will need lower gear settings. Be good to your tools.

I have the Milwaukee set and we build shelving for auto industry and I love that tool. Small battery lasted all day (12 hrs). They are light and have plenty of power for what we do, also made it easier to drive the screws in corners without stripping them out.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

I love almost everything about it. If we could get a Gen 2 with a standard fwd and rev selector I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend it to anyone.

Just bought the DeWALT 5-in-1, impressive power and so far very resilient. Ergonomics to die for.

@TinkerWithTools

Жыл бұрын

It's a good one for sure.

i had that milwaukee driver and I had to sell it...the forward , reverse selector was a big factor for me. Also the grip was not my favorite either. Now I have the hilti one and I use it most of the time.

@TinkerWithTools

2 жыл бұрын

I hope they fix it on a gen 2

@TinkerWithTools

2 жыл бұрын

I need to give the Hilti a try

I just got the DeWalt 12 volt 5 in one , curious to see a year from now as to how it's holding up. I'm a fan of pre drilling any holes I put screws into , takes longer but easier on the tool.

@ThePhilvantwo

Жыл бұрын

How are you finding it?

@geraldhickey7781

Жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilvantwo It's replaced most of my 20 volt drills for basic work, using 1/4 inch hex drive drill bits makes all the difference getting in tight areas , I'll certainly use it for every light duty job .

Good vid for many reasons but one of the more poignant is to use the tool that it is designed for. The 12v multi drivers are I believe designed for installers ie cabinetry etc not for framing or "constant heavy" use. That is what their bigger (larger voltage) sisters are for. It would be interesting to see comparison of brand new to brand new for the appropriate designed usage is for. I'm a Milwaukee general construction M18 heavier use per day user but will prob be getting the 5 in 1 M12 driver for the occasional angle drill for tight corner drilling and offset for cabinet installs etc etc that would compliment my M18 tool chest. Again good vid for showing this.

@TinkerWithTools

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

That Dewalt is on my tool list for sure,,I have the 12 volt drill,,my next 12 volt tool might be the saw all

Look forward to your upcoming videos!!!

@TinkerWithTools

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate it!

Surprised to see that BOSCH smoke out a bit. It's nice to have more torque for larger fasteners. Appreciate the comparison. That 12V DeWALT had some gusto!

@TinkerWithTools

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I didn’t think that would be the outcome.

@korbifa4333

Жыл бұрын

I live in Germany and Bosch tools are really common around here. I've seen a lot of Bosch drills smoking, but according to Bosch that's pretty normal and they should stop smoking after it happend a few time. There is even a German KZreadr who tested out this statement from Bosch with the new GBH 18V-150C and it turned out to be true, that after a few times they never got it to smoke again.

@TinkerWithTools

Жыл бұрын

@@korbifa4333 interesting for sure. I still Have the drill and love it. I’ll have to test it again in the future and see if we get different results.

@flashwashington2735

10 ай бұрын

Actually when you repetitively stall out electric motors they all get hot. Respectively doing this is abuse. As they don't have opportunity to cool down in between. No using the low torque, high speed settings for high torque tasks plays to no tools advantage. I certainly wouldn't loan you my tools after that display of poor understanding. DeWalt comes with one battery, not two. Another detail glossed over when comparing values. God bless.

Well dang tinker. I was hoping for a good showing out of the m12 and a better one out of the Bosch. Great video brother.

@TinkerWithTools

2 жыл бұрын

I was too. I was hoping all of them would do well.

When doing cabinet work, a tilting drill can damage your piece. So its not a downside that some wont stand upright.

Hey, would you ever do a review of the M12FPDXKIT-202X? It's the EU 'version' *but* it's interesting because it goes back to a tradition style of F/R control. Without the 1/4 hex adaptor it's much thinner profile too. Wish they had it here

@TinkerWithTools

2 ай бұрын

I am not opposed to testing it but price and availability is the issue. Finding it on eBay right now carries a $500-700 price with another $50 or so in shipping. So while I would love to test it I don’t see it happening soon.

I really like your videos I happen to have the similar but dedicated hammer drill driver to that bosch drill, identical besides the multiple chucks( by the way that bosch also has a sds hammer drill attachment as a separate accessory which is cool) anyhow between my drill and the flexiclick version if I'm not mistaken the specs are all the same and I've drilled 2" self feed on speed 1 with it over and over and also 1/2x18 inch auger bit drilling fence posts and its never smoked

@TinkerWithTools

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I wouldn’t expect it to.

@TinkerWithTools

2 жыл бұрын

And thanks for watching.

I only use my Milwaukee installation driver when I’m doing something that requires precision and not over drive the screws into the material (installing cabinetry)! Or when I’m in an awkward space that requires an offset or right angle. I am never going to reach for it to drive a 3” screw into osb or pt lumber.

@TinkerWithTools

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. My main reason for testing it on bigger stuff was just to show how it compared to the 18v

@shigthehandyman

2 жыл бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools 👍 Great vids by the way!!

When you buy cheep, the magic genie can escape more easily lol. Milwaukee has double seals to keep the genie inside a lot longer lol!!

@TinkerWithTools

11 ай бұрын

Well said!

just a question notice in the last test you had the bosch in drill mode not in torque setting 20, pretty sure you can push arround 50\60 nm max with that tool. (sorry dont know the american measure =P) those 12v drill drivers are super handy around small\ lighter projects even all arround the house.👍

@TinkerWithTools

Жыл бұрын

My understanding is that drill mode would allow full power on the tool and not engage the clutch at all. Are you saying the tool will have greater power in torque setting 20 than in drill mode?

@joaovieira3653

Жыл бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools you are right, I just found odd to see drill mode to drive screws =P btw you said you got that tool refurbish i dont think it has any sort of problem, the truth is thats the 1st gen 18v flexiclick from bosch that why i wondered why you couldnt drive that screw all the way down because the max torque is 50 nm is kinda low for a 18v drill driver now days, because i thought the tool you had was the 2nd gen flexiclick 18v, im from europe dont know the version number in America, but the europe version is bosch 18v 60fc, sorry for any spell error =P

@luisinhoens90

Жыл бұрын

@@joaovieira3653 yes, this is the 2nd gen Flexiclick 18V and has 535 in-lbs of torque, roughly 60Nm.

This was a really good comparison, I loved the video! I was really surprised to see those tiny 12v’s drive 8 inch fasteners.

@TinkerWithTools

2 жыл бұрын

They are impressive tools. The DEWALT is a newer drill and it has a little more power. I assume a Milwaukee will update to a gen 2 at some point and take back the crown.

I still love the ozone smell of brushed motors

Awesome! Yep, at the end of the day, the mid terms didn’t go the way I thought they would. 🤔🙄😞 peace 👍

Was there a big difference in the size of the 18v vs the 12v?

@TinkerWithTools

Жыл бұрын

Yes. The 18v is the size and weight of a traditional 18v drill. It’s not massive but it is bigger than either of the 12v

Another one to test is the Metabo BS/SB 18 LTX Q L I. It's an 18V muti-head that does over 1000 in-lbs torque.

@TinkerWithTools

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t mind testing it but it carries a pretty hefty price tag. So with that said I think their are other tools that place higher on my wish list at the moment.

@CJGame-N-Play

Жыл бұрын

That Metabo is a hidden GEM. Blow these guys away.

I have the Bosch 12v version. Not super strong but we'll made and works well--I wish it was brushless though.

@TinkerWithTools

Жыл бұрын

Bosch makes both a brushed and a brushless version in the 12v. I have a another video where I show that.

All the electric tools work on white smoke: when the white smoke exits the tool, it stops working!

@TinkerWithTools

3 ай бұрын

Strangely enough that bosch is still going strong today.

Had you planned on using the off set chucks?

@TinkerWithTools

Жыл бұрын

The plan was to showcase them in the video but the smoking Bosch and the Milwaukee that was putting off a strange smell disrupted the testing. They have been useful to have on these tools on several occasions.

To be fair, its not a long time ago that 12v tools was considered a gimmick and a toy, now they can actually do some work. But they do have limitations still. They are in my opinion not suited to be your ONLY drill, but they are really nice for having a 2nd one. As far as I know, none of these are even marketed as your workhorse drill, theyre the convenience drills. The Milwaukee one for instance is litteraly sold as a "cabinet drill" for assembling furniture where I live. Dont know if its different elsewhere. Honestly i was more suprised to see those timberlocks go in at all, more than seeing smoke. I dont think its unreasonable that one might try such a fastemer with one of these in a pinch, especially the 18v one, but at the same time I think its important to remember that construction work is absolutely not what these are built for, theyre made for the guy (or girl) who wants to do alot of small things. Also I feels its worth mentioning (not that I think most dont know already) that all the different heads in these kits can be bought as standalone adapters and used with a much, much heavier duty drill if thats needed.

@kvernesdotten

2 жыл бұрын

That being said, still disappointed with both bosch and milwaukee

@TinkerWithTools

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree with you. Here they market the Milwaukee as an installation drill driver. While I am disappointed with the performances that isn’t what they are intended for.

@dadsplasma-cncplasmacuttin719

11 ай бұрын

A long, long time ago 12v drills were monsters compared to the 7.2and 9.6 volt offerings of the day. Considering your only other options were a corded drill or a screwdriver I was glad to get my 12v drills. When DeWalt first came out you could buy a $50 corded drill, a $40 sander, and have a buddy share the purchase a tool he bought and you do the same and DeWalt would send you both a 12v drill, battery, charger, and metal case for free. I got two 12v drills and two routers for free.

This bosch flexi is the best compact drill of the market : user friendly, safe , précise, not far in weight compare to some 12v competitors drill and the fantastic patent SDS chuck.!!!!

@TinkerWithTools

Жыл бұрын

I haven’t tried the SDS Chuck yet. Might have to pick that up to try.

wich one do you like more - dewald or milwaukee(from that video)? or wich one would you prefer and why?

@TinkerWithTools

Жыл бұрын

I pick the Milwaukee from those 3. The DEWALT isn’t bad but something about the design and ergonomics of the M12 I just love.

@M1keVazovskiy

Жыл бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools so the milwaukee got better grip and feels more comfortable to work with? have you tried the festool cxs?

@TinkerWithTools

Жыл бұрын

There is nothing wrong with dewalt's grip, but I find myself liking the grip on the milwaukee more because it puts your hand more in line with the tool. By doing that I feel like I have more control over things. If Milwaukee had put a traditional forward and reverse selector on this, I think it would have been darn near perfect. As for the CXS, I do own one. Ergononically, it's superior to the Milwaukee because it has the proper forward and reverse selector... but it cost significantly more especially if you want to have the benefits of centrotec, so you need to buy the bits. And then comes the problem that the current CXS is a lot older. As a brushed older tool, it signficantly is underpowered. So while I think the CXS is a nice tool to use, some of that stuff factors in and if I were starting over, i would buy the Milwaukee and be probably just as happy.

@M1keVazovskiy

Жыл бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools thanks a lot! In my country currently prices almost the same(at least while you won't look for centrotek). I think i'll wait for summer there is new cxs 18 coming may be it would be the best choice.

@TinkerWithTools

Жыл бұрын

@@M1keVazovskiy agree. I will be getting that to test.

Dewalt was very strong for a 12v, incredible tool 🤔😍

Would have loved to see the Bosch tested in gear one. what was the reason you didn't try it out?

@TinkerWithTools

2 жыл бұрын

The fact that it was smoking stopped the tests.

@AwesomeSauceShow

2 жыл бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools So you buy a new tool every time it starts smoking?

@TinkerWithTools

2 жыл бұрын

Never said I was buying a new tool but I did stop pushing it for the night. Given that it was a refurbished tool I am going to see what my return and exchange options are.

@GunnarsMassageoPizza

8 ай бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools I worked with Bosch 18v tools for many years, the smoke only comes when pushing a new tool. Probably some coating (against moist?) that reacts the first times pushed to the limit. Doesn´t break the tool, just go for it. I actually miss this, using Milwaukee now and I don´t like the too-early cut out. I can clearly fell there´s enough power but it cuts out. I know it´s a safety thing for the tool, but I prefer to be able to push it further for a short amount of time sometimes.

Bosch tools are known to smoke when new. It settles after some use...

@TinkerWithTools

5 ай бұрын

Hadn’t heard that but good to know.

Professional . Admired !

Why test power on an installation driver? It's pretty obvious why you would buy one of these - and it sure is not because of power. I have a bosch 12v that I use all the time. If I need power I reach for my 18v drill or impact - or my rotary hammmer.

@TinkerWithTools

Жыл бұрын

You are correct but there is a power difference between them and so testing the power helps to show viewers the difference between them if they are considering purchasing them.

Surprised at Bosch.

Never had any luck with refurbished tools. Try weed eater ,drill’s corded ,mowers etc did not make it.Most went couple hours or a day and went kaput.

@TinkerWithTools

2 жыл бұрын

I’m going to call Acme on Monday and see if I can return it. It worked fine later at night but a timberlok shouldn’t cause that to happen.

@harlanborders943

Жыл бұрын

I’m with you no luck with reconditioned tools

That bosch has a sds attachment

@TinkerWithTools

Жыл бұрын

You are correct. It does. That does set apart the 18v bosch from the others.

Festool was doing it before Milwaukee actually before Bosch

@TinkerWithTools

Жыл бұрын

Yeah sometimes it’s hard to find release date info. I knew they had been doing it for a while.

Why did you not run the Bosch in low gear? That made no sense.

@TinkerWithTools

7 ай бұрын

The tools were attempting the tests in speed 2 until they were failing. Going to speed 1 would have been the next attempt but given the smoking tools and its refurbished nature I decided to end the testing there.

Dewalt for the win!!

I’m not a dewalt fan by any means, I prefer Milwaukee and Makita. I will say DeWalts 12v line is very very good, and you can get really good deals on them with batteries and tool for 120-180 which is great value IMO. I wish dewalt would invest more in their 12v line.

@americafirst6016

Жыл бұрын

Also I own a lot of m12 tools and almost all the 12v lineup from dewalt, im a huge fan of both. Only reason Milwaukee is worth it is the amount of tools in the lineup.

@TinkerWithTools

Жыл бұрын

Milwaukee and DEWALT both have solid core offerings. Milwaukee had more speciality tools. Dewalt needs to do a generational update now to keep up but their tools are still very nice to use.

@americafirst6016

Жыл бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools totally agree and I hope they do!

Gee lets try a drill vs only drivers and say Milw was short on power. I'd slap somebody for less.

Another Milwakee north-American Bias Festool does this angle drilling best!!

@TinkerWithTools

Жыл бұрын

I review the the Festool is another newer video and while it does have some nice things about it, the age of the product holds it back in my option. They are updating to an 18v model later this year that I plan on reviewing and then I think it will modernize their offering.

ah, yes, good old murican non biased test where wulvaakkekaee wins

@TinkerWithTools

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure that DEWALT is the only drill here that didn’t start to smell or smoke.