Really appreciate the time, money and effort you've put into this series...im sure it was a good hit on your pocket

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Yeah these tools aren’t cheap. Luckily they picked up over time.

Phenomenal video! Great job comparing directly while also bringing in the nuances of each tool. I'm still using the Bosch 12V non-brushless and love how quiet it is, which is why I ended up returning the Festool CXS 12 soon after getting it. In time, I think the CXS 12 might end up back in my shop as I have adopted Centrotec with my other Festool drills. Really, great job on this video, it's what I wish I made when the CXS 12 came out. Looking forward to seeing your channel grow!

@TinkerWithTools

7 ай бұрын

Thanks. I appreciate the feedback!

Bosch 12v Chameleon is the best. The benefits of its super light weight can't be overstated. I use it every day - very high quality and so light weight it's my go to for driving in thousands of zip screws every week.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

It performed well in testing. I have liked mine but just prefer some of the ergonomics of others more. But you really can't pick up a bad tool in all of these.

@yorselrus1996

8 ай бұрын

I just picked up 12v Bosch Chameleon kit for 75% off and additional 10% military discount for $33.50.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

You got the Lowe’s clearance deals I’m guessing?

@DarianDT

8 ай бұрын

@@yorselrus1996 Wow that's a steal. I got mine for $99 on Amazon. I would've cleared all the local Lowes inventories at $33. Would be one hell of a gift for families and friends for Christmas.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

I ended up getting other Bosch tools on the clearance deal but I have had the Bosch for more than a year now. It’s a bit of a shame they aren’t going to carry them anywhere local to me anymore though.

Great video bro. Like the format.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Thanks. I appreciate the feedback.

excellent unbiased review ,and glad you have highlighted the new brushless motor noise issue , def agree with your winner,

@TinkerWithTools

6 ай бұрын

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.

Awesome review - thanks a lot for your efforts 😊

@TinkerWithTools

6 ай бұрын

No problem. Glad you liked it.

About the Milwaukee forward and reverse switch at first was pretty odd but now I have not problem specially since I can still change it with one hand. Thanks for the comprehensive review!

@TinkerWithTools

4 ай бұрын

You're welcome!

Thank you verry much for tanking the time to make this awsome video 👏🏻

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed it!

Great video! Thanks to this thorough review, I have decided to "pull the trigger" 😉 on the CXS (CSX) 😛 12!

@TinkerWithTools

15 күн бұрын

Good choice! I have enjoyed the updated one quite a bit so far.

Genuinely great video! Thank you.

@TinkerWithTools

Ай бұрын

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

I just bought the m12 installation driver on sale last night from home Depot. Came with 2 2.0's and a 5.0 HO, charger and bag for $179. I'm so glad i caught that one day sale! I can't wait for it to arrive

@TinkerWithTools

4 ай бұрын

Great price for a great tool. Hope you enjoy it!

@ex8280

2 ай бұрын

How do you like the m12 installation driver? Got one for my dad, but worried it's not powerful enough.

I got the Festool CXS 18 as my installation driver for work. The handle is much larger which allows for both the middle and index finger usage.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing that info.

@tedmaxeffs

6 ай бұрын

i have too but the noise level is terrible , and am going back to my faith dewalt .

@theChukRak

4 ай бұрын

FWIW Festool also makes a 12v & 18v drills that use the same range of chucks, and have a conventional grip. TXS12 & TXS18. They are trying to cover all the bases.

The 4ah battery for the Bosch really transformed it for me.

I’ve had the m12 installation driver and the Bosch chameleon and the Bosch wins by a lot. Just that forward/reverse button on the m12 is enough to discard it. The chameleon is my daily, love how small it is and has more than enough power and speed to do everything I need to do and more

@TinkerWithTools

6 ай бұрын

Yeah it will be interesting to see if Milwaukee changes that on a future generation. But you are right. The Bosch has a lot of good things going for it.

I’m with you on these being my favorite tools. I started collecting em, lol. I have the 12v dewalt, Milwaukee and Bosch brushless. I’d like to get my hands on the brushless Metabo and 18v Bosch

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

As I said about the Metabo Brushless I have tried to buy it twice. Hoping third time is the charm!

Bought the Milwaukee last year. I love mine. I have M18 tools and now I'm looking at some M12 tools to utilize the batteries more. I love Milwaukee tools.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

I have been happy with them too!

@Buckeye4life7

7 ай бұрын

I have everything RIDGID and bought the Milwaukee drill shown. The forward reverse button is just plain stupid. I never use it.

@norzoloco1

4 ай бұрын

Wait until you get the M12 fuel multi tool! I've tried every other brand including the M18 fuel multi tool and the m12 is by far my favorite. I've replaced most of my M18 stuff with M12. Saves a ton of space!

Excellent, very helpful vid and the last thing I want to seem is critical, BUT a significant item that deserves mentioning here is the Centrotec chuck on the festool. This requires proprietary shanks or it requires the user to use adapters that either do not have a locking mechanism or otherwise stick out so far that you lose part of the relevancy of a compact tool. SIGNIFICANT - but very on-brand - drawback for the Festool

@TinkerWithTools

3 ай бұрын

If you buy into festool, you likely aren't deterred but the centrotec tax as much as some might be. Centrotec works really well, but the prices are quite absurd. So in terms of it working as they intended, it's great. But for those that don't want to pay the festool tax then I agree with you.

I’ve bought the cxs12 and I love it . I do however already have a T18 and a C18 with all the attachments which all fit nicely on the new 12v driver.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

The compatibility between the lines is a nice feature.

@LesTutosdUneMinute

7 ай бұрын

Hi! What do you think about the noise?

@SingleTrack66

7 ай бұрын

@@LesTutosdUneMinute yep. It’s oddly loud at full speed certainly when compared to a T18 . However it doesn’t really bother me and I tend to be using it slowly a lot of the time when it is considerably quieter

@Andrius2005

Ай бұрын

Festool CXS and CXS 12 very good tools

For people who don't like the "c" handle from the CXS, there is a "t" handle the TXS from Festool.

bosch 12v flexiclick has SDS attachment as well. its fairly new, but it is available in the US.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Yeah I found that after filming and during the edit. Reasonably priced too. Have yon tried it?

@TameDaTroller

8 ай бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools no I have not, but I was thinking of buying it in the future after I upgrade my brushed version of flexiclick.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

I’ve considered buying the 18v version on several occasions just to see how it compares to a top tier hammer drill instead of a dedicated SDS.

@xcasablancax

8 ай бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools In Europe you can find the Bosch 18V GSR 60 FC, I don't know how it's called in the US. It is a wonderful tool and most often overlooked in non-european tests I watched. The Hammerdrill attachment for the 12V Version is kind of lacking in a way and received mixed reviews in the german tool market.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

I could be wrong but I think that its just the GSR18V-535FCB15 in the US market. The coloring is different here but based on specs, I think that is the equivalent. I have a video on it I did last year comparing it to two 12v multi-chuck drills, and then I also mention it briefly here. I put it through the same testing that I did on this video, and it is bigger heavier and not as delicate or precise. But it's made like a tank and has a very consistent clutch (just not super sensitive). Overall I like it.

I love the direction switch of my Milwaukee. No accidental switching any more while working with the tool. That happens from time to time with my 18V Bosch. Before using a battery powered drill, I pressing the trigger to ensure in runs in the right direction anyway. Though I have really small hands, I can reach the selector with my thumb easily.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

You are the first person I have had comment that likes. not saying that in a bad way, just pointing out this is a first. I think that it's one of those things that if this is your primary drill, then you will grow accustomed to it, and I can see what you mentioned being a pro. I just haven't been able to grow accustomed to it.

@christophrothert4340

8 ай бұрын

I know that most people hate it. It's not my primary drill, that would be a Bosch 18V-60C, but I use it a lot. Have the same kind of switch on my 3/8" impact driver.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, the switch on the impacts doesn't bother me simply because I am not changing modes as much as direction of drive.

@jamesgoens3531

8 ай бұрын

Same here. I also like it. Inevitably I hit the direction button on my impact especially and move it into the off position. Middle trigger finger for the win 🤣

@l-_-sage-_-l

3 ай бұрын

@@TinkerWithToolsI think it’s kind of fun. Like being in an exotic* car with the switches in unfamiliar places. Fun but maybe not the most practical…

FYI: Bosch has introduced an SDS chuck for the 12v flexiclick now. Good for small holes and tap cons. Also don't forget that many of Metabo's 18v drills have multi-chuck ability as well, not to mention that Fein's 18v drills also have interchangeable chucks.

@TinkerWithTools

4 ай бұрын

Fair points!

Great video🤙

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Appreciate it!

Excellent review, thanks a lot! The noise level of the new CXS 12 keeps me from buying it, the racket the new CXS 18 produces already shocked me enough...

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

When using them against other brushless versions like Bosch and Hilti the noise feels the same but measures a little lower but the tone is what makes it more grating in my opinion.

One thing I wanted to mention was about the OSHA requirements. These ratings are typically based on working a certain number of hours (7 or 8 I think, but I can't remember). So I don't think any of these tools fail the OSHA requirement if you use them less often than that. For me, I will never use a drill for that long, so the sound pressure aspect is not a concern for me; but for professional installers that might be another story.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Correct. The actual language of OSHA requirements is a fun read if you haven’t given it a try. The 85db limit is just the threshold when using their calculation you need to use it. But they also recommend you use it under 85 as well.

I think if they made a new one with some kind of a small impact hammer even if its tiny or if possible a surge installation driver i think would be the one just not sure if it's possible to keep it small vs just a tiny impact hammer in there idk but i feel like that would be a must have if it came out

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

I’ve been comparing the M12 surge to the installation driver and if they could have that form factor for the surge I would love it.

140 for that attachment is a pure insult, not to mention that that attachment is basically the most important and the main reason to get a tool like this in the first place. You can get a top of the line 12v drill for that money...

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Yeah. There is a reason why even owning the drill it works with I don’t own that attachment yet.

Subbed. Thank you for the comparison. Now, after saw multiple comparison videos, I definitely will buy the dewalt.

@TinkerWithTools

6 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful and thanks for the support!

I really appreciate this video. The most important factors for me are quality of the drill, the chuck, and the ergonomics. I'd have loved to see more detail on which drills have the best chuck, (especially if any have a Rohm) and which tools have the most available chucks. Not all brands have all types of chucks and some have extras worth considering. I'd also like to know if any have a higher/lower top speed. I own the 4 speed 12v Fein, am very happy with its performance, quality and ergonomics, although I wish it was possible to buy an eccentric chuck for it.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Best quality chuck in my opinion is the Hilti. I love it. It seems to be an unbranded Rohm if you ask me. The Milwaukee is decent. It’s similar to the M12 gen drill if you are familiar. The rest are plastic outer chucks and not as premium. The Festool feels quite cheap for the tool. They have a metal add on on chuck that you can buy for the new tool that also works with their 18v but it’s a decent chunk of money. Festool, metabo and metabo come with three chucks only. And on Festool that’s if you buy the more expensive kit. The rest come with the four standard. The Festool has others you can buy for the new CXS 12 like a drywall screw collet. Hope that helps.

@jronmanbuilds

5 ай бұрын

I haven't have experience with the Bosch or new Festool but I heard you can rotate the right angle and eccentric chucks while the chuck is still locked onto the tool. That seems like a nice feature. While the m12 comes with more metal in the chucks, I felt the right angle and eccentric chucks were hard to get to seat properly depending on what position I wanted. Maybe the factory was off on the tolerances the day my chucks were built.

@TinkerWithTools

5 ай бұрын

@@jronmanbuildsevery once in a while they style of chuck (the DEWALT Milwaukee and Hilti are all similar) can be difficult to properly connect but for the most part mine aren’t that bad.

Thank you for including the really important things like sound and clutch sensitivity. Already the best test of installation drills on KZread. Bummer they Festool screwed up the sound of the new CXS. I love my brushed one.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Glad it's been helpful. Yeah, I think it will come down to how you use it. It's an odd pitch or tone but other than that... I really like it.

@carbb5760

8 ай бұрын

It’s really overstated the sound imo. It’s not that bad but also when I get into the shop or on site I put on my hearing protection, always have regardless really of what I’m doing

I've heard from a Korean professional that weird short handle of CXS and not so short but similar D shape handle of M12 are actually due to the installation job requirements. As you know, Korea is super abundant of those street signs on a lot of metropolitan buildings with at least 5 floors high and these people literally work +8 hours a day installing/removing those signs. And he pointed out that the 'strange' handle is actually really helpful when you have to screw into a ceiling or from down to top situation to install some racks for signs. Usually, this situation involves a lot of screwing into metal surface which needs precise control. He said he can do it with regular handle (like DeWalt in this video) but prefers the D type handle way better thanks to the straight screw-to-hand alignment. Well, that's not a situation for me, a home owner+DIYer who just need a few screws into odd, narrow lumber surface from time-to-time. So, if I'm getting one of these, probably not so high priority at all, I'll get DeWalt. But then again, details are devils for professionals.

@TinkerWithTools

6 ай бұрын

It took some getting used to but I actually do like it now whether it’s on the Milwaukee or the Festool.

Great job and great information! Thank you! I will note that Amazon has the Milwaukee AS A KIT for $140, and I haven't seen anything from the other brands to match its value. Although I am on the DeWALT flexvolt system (and Milwaukee M18), I do not have any 12v tools so for me I have to decide between the excellent value of the Milwaukee or either the DeWALT or Festool CXS12. Thank you again for taking the time to do such a thorough comparison.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful! The only caution with Amazon I would give you is that they aren’t an authorized retailer so it can affect the warranty on the tool. Your mileage may very.

@frankrodriguez6424

8 ай бұрын

That is where I got mine from. And I am a Ryobi guy, I mean everything from tools to yard stuff. Love the M12

@ssiven

8 ай бұрын

Got the milwaukee at HD for $120 after returning free m12 3/8 ratchet

@ssiven

8 ай бұрын

Also got the Bosch flexiclick for $110 on amazon, wish I hadn't missed the lowe's clearance...

@ex8280

2 ай бұрын

Got m18 for 109, hack deal.

For the true collector, the Milwaukee 12v FPDX (available throughout the world outside the US), is an installation style multi head drill driver that can also hammer drill.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

I have considered purchasing it a time or two. It's about $270 and then about $60 shipping currently so that's the main hold up.

@wayward-saint

8 ай бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools yea it’s pricy. And there are never good sales in EU. It’s really more for installation in apartments and using one drill to do it all. I think going beyond 10mm diameter in concrete would be too much for it - but it’s enough for the job.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

I am guessing in hammer function it operates similar to the Gen 2 hammer drill here in the states and yeah, you won't get much bigger stuff done.

There is an SDS drill chuck for the Bosch 12V FC

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Correct. Found that post editing the video. Have you tried it? I haven’t heard good things about its power and usefulness.

can the onthe tools hold a bit withou a chuck? the CSX is good becuase you can put a 1/4" bit driver directly into the drive shaft when you remove the chuck

@TinkerWithTools

3 ай бұрын

I believe on almost all, if not all of them, you can do that. they aren't necessarily a locking bit holder at that point but some do have a magnet that makes it functional at that point.

exactly what I want to see. awesome.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Glad to hear it!

There is a sds-attachement for the bosch 12v drill out. At least in Germany

@TinkerWithTools

3 ай бұрын

You are correct.

Would have liked to see measurements of grip to contact point, and also more video of the tools in operation.

@TinkerWithTools

Күн бұрын

Appreciate the feedback.

Iwork at GM a utilize that model Hilti daily in an industrial environment. It functions well!!

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

I really think there is a lot to like about it.

I imagine the reason the CXS 12 stays loud at a distance is because of the specific frequency of the noise. It would be interesting to measure that and compare to the other tools as that would shed some light on which is the most annoying and/or harmful to your hearing.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, when I found that in the data I started to look into the equipment needed to test that sort of thing. It was more expensive and complex that what I would potentially get as a return on that investment at this point. I do think that there might be something there with the frequency.

Honestly, dewalt tools have some of the best feeling grips in the industry, plus with the 12v line, i can remove the battery with my 1 hand on the tool if i wanted to haha

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

I do like the dewalt ergonomics but the hilti grip is next level of refinement in my opinions. Takes a lot of the good from Dewalt and builds on it.

Hello been watching quite a few of your videos. I make bespoke fitted MDF wardrobes. Been using a dewalt 18v impact but want to find something lighter and quieter. Do you think multi chuck is the way to go? Many thanks

@TinkerWithTools

6 ай бұрын

I am guessing you are talking about assembly and installation? There are two ways you could go in my opinion. THe installation drill driver would work (and as you can see there are several to choose from). The other option would be the Surge from Milwaukee (either M12 or M18). Those would give you the traditional impact performance with greatly reduced noise.

@deancarter4109

6 ай бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools hello thank you so much for your reply. I do like the look of the multi chuck tools. Yes I build and install

I have the Milwaukee and I love everything about it EXCEPT that forward and reverse selector. Test again with the 2.5 or 3.0 compact..

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

I have used it personally with other batteries and the performance does improve on more premium batteries but at that same time the Bosch and DEWALT would also. While it would likely affect that one category it wouldn’t improve the performance in any other and therefore it’s not likely to adjust the rankings all that much.

@frankrodriguez6424

8 ай бұрын

I really don’t get why everyone hates the famous button , I don’t think it’s a big deal at all

I got my m12 installer kit for $200 with another free Milwaukee m12 tool. No regrets at that price, its been great.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Yeah the promos on Bosch, DEWALT and Milwaukee make them a better deal. You likely aren’t going to see sales on Hilti and Festool.

@frankrodriguez6424

8 ай бұрын

The tool was not free. This kit can be had for $$150

Excellent test, thanks for posting it and putting in all the work you did. I'm also with you on these multi head drivers being my favorite drivers. For a while I had the milwaukee but sold it and got the dewalt instead. I've been very happy with it, and as tempted as I was by the new CXS 12, the dewalt has worked so well for me I don't feel the need or desire to "upgrade". Plus, my favorite 18V drill is the DCD800, so two different batteries, but a single charger. Lately, I've been very happy with all my dewalt purchases, though the M12 pin nailer is probably one of my favorite tools of all time.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it. The festool feels more refined but at the end of the day both tools were great. I don't think an upgrade is necessary unless you just want it. As for the pin nailer, I love the thing. I have both the M12 and the Dewalt 20v max and I go for the M12 most of the time. I am also anxiously awaiting the release of the M12 Fuel Brad Nailer. It won't have the capacity of the bigger M18 but for a lot of what I do, I want the reduction in form factor.

@NWGR

8 ай бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools Yeah I'm eagerly anticipating the M12 brad nailer. I almost bought the M18 version before I saw that the M12 was announced. I rarely use brads over 1 1/2", so the M12 will be perfect for 95% of the work I do. Anything over 1 1/2" I'll just use my air nailer. They need to release that one already lol

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

I think it will be a good seller for them. The compactness of the M12 nailers is really great!

@NWGR

8 ай бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools For sure. I was originally just going to get a small 1 gallon trim compressor and shorter 1/4" flexzilla hose, to kind of "mobilize" my nailing setup, but man, putting the m12 pinner through its paces really emphasized the advantages of cordless.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Yeah the only pneumatic nailers that I still don't have a cordless version for are the narrow crown stapler and a framing nailer. I want to get them but I do so little work with the framing nailer, that it's hard to justify the price premium for cordless (plus the weight) and then on the narrow crown, for the most part i am doing that work in my shop and so my compressor is already there.

I know many people have an issue with the noise on the CXS 12. I Have been using it for over a month now and it doesn't sound any louder than my Milwaukee M12 driver.

@TinkerWithTools

4 ай бұрын

It hasn’t stopped me from using it.

What amazing choices we have now. I remember when national Panasonic eclipsed Makita. Those early turquoise beasts were so lame I used a corded cheap skill drill with a keyed chuck which vastly out performed those early disasters.

@TinkerWithTools

7 ай бұрын

We definitely have a lot of good options out there right now.

Fantastic and comprehensive review, you covered it all, thanks

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

I wanted the Hilti to flex on the job site, but i wish they had more 12v products. Plus it seems like they might be doing away with their 12v line. I ended up getting the Bosch?

@TinkerWithTools

2 ай бұрын

Bosch is a good option here but in in the US at least their 12v lineup is decreasing in exposure as of late. I wish it werent the case because they have some solid 12v tools. I love their 12v random orbit sander.

I've got my eye on the Milwaukee. For me, a big selling point of the tool is the grip style and size, so while the DeWalt seems like a fantastic deal the larger size and standard grip just don't sell it for me (I've already got a normal sized DeWalt 20v drill and impact driver after all). The interchangeable chucks are almost just gravy on top of the ergonomics, but the offset chuck is probably the one I'm most interested in. The number of times I've put a screw in just slightly off angle because I was in a corner, that seems like such an incredible feature. I really don't think I would mind the top button, I think I have large enough hands to just hit it with my thumb when needed.

@TinkerWithTools

5 ай бұрын

If the Milwaukee is the only tool you use, you would likely get use to the Top button and would be fine with it. I have owned that Milwaukee for over three years at that point and still love it. But it's not intuitive at all. I find myself flicking the forward and reverse on any other tools without even really thinking about it and this one just requires a little bit more effort.

@jronmanbuilds

5 ай бұрын

One thing you will find out with the Milwaukee is the eccentric chuck doesn't have a locking collet. I have found bits tend to get left behind more times than I would like. Not a huge issue but something to consider.

@jronmanbuilds

5 ай бұрын

I wasn't sure if the direction button would bother me when I got the m12 and I found that I haven't had many issues. I've gotten accustomed to it. The grip ergonomics on the m12 are great, and If a traditional switch threw off the grip ergonomics, I don't think I would be willing to part with the button. @@TinkerWithTools

@TinkerWithTools

5 ай бұрын

@@jronmanbuilds you are right. I haven’t had issue with it but my hard to reach places have more been up against the top or bottom of a cabinet where that hasn’t been has much of an issue.

@TinkerWithTools

5 ай бұрын

@@jronmanbuildsthe Festool CXT has pretty much the same grip and ergonomics and the switch works great on those in the standard location. That’s my point of reference that it is possible and my continued hope for a gen 2 where they revert back to the normal placement.

Have milwaukee for over two years, cus of the battery platform, have 0 problems with it, but know 4 that have festool and have to say it is better then milwaukee, but still will use it every day... Waiting for new generation of it..

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Waiting for the new generation of the Milwaukee or the Festool?

@WoodworkingCyclist

8 ай бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools milwaukee, festool already released, right?

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

All the tools I tested are released and available. You made mention of waiting for a second generation and I was uncertain if you were referring to Milwaukee or Festool?

Walmart recently released Hyper Tough 12V 3-in-1 Multi-Head Power Drill Set with 1.5Ah Battery and Charger, 80003. Currently going for $34.88

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Yeah I see that. Based on the power specs the quote I would suspect it would be outclassed by almost everything here but for that price might be worth checking out one day.

What is never mentioned in most reviews is bit runout. One of the reasons so many cabinet makers use Festool drivers is that the Centrotec bits have the least runout of any other manufacturer.

@TinkerWithTools

6 ай бұрын

You are right, it wasn't mentioned. I really do like centrotec in terms of the control that it offers, but it's also another added cost with running festool products. I have next to no local availabilty of centrotec bits even at my local festool dealers. They just don't have a lot of it in stock, even if I wanted to pay the price. And without it, the festool experience is less functional than the other brands featured here since the locking 1/4" hex bit holder isn't included with tool just the magnetic one. Not bagging on it's function, more the cost and the ease of access to the system.

@drgwmaine

6 ай бұрын

I’m fortunate that I’m only 5 minutes away from the largest Festool dealer in Maine; and they stock everything.

@TinkerWithTools

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I wish that I had that. I don' t have a need for the giant bit kit for this tool but it would be nice to have some of the common sizes. And when I go in, they just have very little in stock.

Need to add the Milwaukee BDDX…..has the same functionality but better ergonomics…….

@TinkerWithTools

4 ай бұрын

The BDDX and the FPDX aren't readily available where I live. Even trying to get them online can be difficult.

When I purchase the Milwaukee I pay $113 with the deal of $85 ratchet which was about $198. And I was able to return the ratchet if I want to but I love the M12 ratchet so I keep both 😅

@TinkerWithTools

4 ай бұрын

you got a great deal!

@RexxDIY

4 ай бұрын

But I still will like to own the new Festool 😉@@TinkerWithTools

My new cxs12 is not loud at all. Maybe I got lucky or it depends on the batch - I did have to wait for a restock to receive mine. I am unimpressed by the performance. Just trying to put in a screw to a stud for a drywall patch it would quit and beep over & over. I probably should have got the 18. It will be fine for other things - drilling/driving will be great, but I probably needed the 18 for putting in drywall screws to studs. It is fine, but it is underwhelming.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Just curious do you have the old CXS? For the noise comparison that is. As for the performance. If you are getting the beep you might be in one of the clutch settings. If you switch it to the drill setting on the dial I have sunk a 8” timberlok which is considerably larger than a drywall screw.

@bdm1000

8 ай бұрын

I think the noise is when using it at its highest setting only.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

The noise is right there with most of the other brushless tools but it has a different tone or pitch to it that makes it more noticeable. Even the Hilti which measured louder, didn't feel that way in person necessarily. It's not enough to drive me away from the tool, but I can see how people find it a deal breaker.

Metabo hat auch einen Exenteraufsatz imProgramm! Und die passen auch auf die 18v Geräte. Außerdem gibt es von Metabo noch die Powermaxx BS und Powermaxx BS Bl Quick. Diese sind dann ebenfalls mit Stabakku wie der Bosch. Und schön leise sind sie auch. Und bei der Quick Variante passt auch das Centrotec Futter! ✌️

@TinkerWithTools

3 ай бұрын

I appreciate the info.

Yes the Festool accessories are expensive. But if you’re crazy enough to also buy an 18v Festool drill the eccentric chuck also works with them. So you aren’t buying and carrying around different accessories for each drill

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Yeah the compatibility within the ecosystem is certainly up there with the best. It comes at a price but they do work to make all their products work well together.

Ty, I was leaning dewalt before I watched

@TinkerWithTools

3 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful and I hope you enjoy it!

I got told by a Dewalt sales rep at a trade show in NZ that 12v might be disappearing soon......he did not clarify if this was worldwide or just NZ market, also he was a sales rep, you know what they are like with facts.....

@TinkerWithTools

19 күн бұрын

It would be a shame if they did do away with it in my opinion.

This is the only power tool that no matter what battery platform you're on🔋

at the beginning the Milwaukee kit price was $199, then later in comparison it changed to $239?

@TinkerWithTools

5 ай бұрын

That's a mistake on me that I didn't catch. The $199 is the sales price that seems to be still available now. Traditionally the kit price is $229 on standard pricing. I try to show standard pricing in most of my videos and then mention promotions where applicable and I just didn't catch the inconsistency there.

I could never justify the 'normal' drill or 'normal collet' attachments in my head. And because of it, I haven't been able to justify spending double on an installers driver over a normal screwdriver for (in my mind) only two actual useful attachments 🙇‍♀️ These need a through-hole nutrunner or a pizzawheel cutter 🙏 when there's only two unique attachments it makes multihead drivers look so much less relevant compared to a normal screwdriver

@TinkerWithTools

24 күн бұрын

I think with something like the Dewalt 12v Brushless Screwdriver, the way that you might use the tools is similar, but I do think that the added versatility of the additional chucks is a nice touch. Given their intended purpose of being something for installing cabinetry, I think the four chucks that most of them have a good for the intended purpose.

Overall an outstandingly comprehensive and balanced category review 👏 However as someone who loves his gen 1 CXS it drives me nuts that you keep calling it a cSx! 😂

@TinkerWithTools

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, sorry about that. But I dare you to make a video that was about 70 minutes long before the edit with that many drills and not mess up a time or two... it was impossible to keep straight for me apparently.

@steven_vogt

2 ай бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools challenge NOT accepted hahah 👍🏻❤️

That 12v bosch also has sds attachement but it's not that great...

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

So you have tried it? I saw it during editing (already knew about the 18v but not the 12) and wondered how well it would work.

@gl0sek

8 ай бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools I tried it and mine had an issue with attaching and detaching from the driver so I returned it. That same attachement on 18v is way better... German channel bauforum24 did a test on it about 7 months ago. Look it up, the title starts with "Was ist mit Bosch los?". Just skip to the test part if you can't understand german and see for yourself. I was very happy about that sds attachement but it left me disapointed...

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

I'll have to check it out. Thanks for suggesting!

I grabbed the Dewalt bit driver (no speed select on gearbox) to try out a couple of years ago and then an 18v drill and impact as well. I was surprised to find that their trigger precision was almost like Festool. The attachments just seemed cheap on the Festool clone, though. That said, the attachments are cheap on all of these 12v’s compared to the 18v Fein, Festool, Metabo and even Bosch. So, whatever. The original CXS is just too weak to take seriously, imho. Discounting the brushed Metabo, all of the others are going to do the job of the T18/C18 but smaller and lighter…and louder. Words can’t describe how quiet the T18 is. I never appreciated until I got back into more general work and ended up trying every brand under the sun. The Hilti chuck isn’t as niece as you think it’s. Don’t be fooled by its metal sleeve. The Hilti 12v’s are identical to the Panasonic counterparts in all but looks. I like them because I like how they feel in my hand, but I have to presume the Dewalt, latest Bosch, Milwaukee and brushless Metabo all offer more torque. I was considering the new CXS or the 18v TXS they take the same chucks as my aging T18. I dunno. Kind of on the fence.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Have you had issues with the Hilti chucks. I have had an 22v Nuron Hilti for about a year now and it works incredibly well. Plus with their 20 year warranty it’ll put anyone’s mind at ease.

@robertrada4783

8 ай бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools Coincidentally I did have an issue with one chuck (I totally forgot about that) on a 12v. Same chuck as on the Panasonic version. No issues with the one that comes with the multi head. I did replace the chucks on my Nuron drills simply because I didn’t like them. They were fine though. The 10w-22 and 8m-22 will have Röhm chucks. Everything else appears to be Jacobs but without branding. But I could be wrong.

This feels like Christmas special

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Glad you like it.

Sheesh, what a DeFault Schil! 😯🙄😂 @ 17:09 Your face made me wonder if You were confidant in your decision? ( I am a fan of the 12 Volt XTreme lineup ) Just got a great deal on the Milwaukee, which included a bonus 5.0 HO battery. So, You saying I should send it back? 😞 😯 ( One area that I am not a fan of is the insipid little bags for the M12 tools ) Tinker With Tools !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 👍💪✌🇺🇸😊

@TinkerWithTools

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I think the face just came down to a point of disbelief on my part. I had done the testing over several days but didn’t actually look at the winners in each category much before I recorded that point and as the start wouldn’t have predicted the DEWALT would be my winner. Now should you return the Milwaukee with the bonus battery? No I don’t think you have to. The Milwaukee didn’t fair as well I would have predicted but really whether you choose DEWALT, the new Festool, Milwaukee, Bosch or the Hilti you are getting a pretty good tool that is competitive right now. It will come down to little differences on which is best for you at that point.

I love my 12v Dewalt.... ergonomics are great (for me at least) and I've found it to perform really well, but if I could go back I'd buy the Milwaukee instead. Their 12v system looks really impressive and it seems Dewalt is kind of neglecting the 12v lineup.

@TinkerWithTools

7 ай бұрын

They had a good bit of development for a while but it does seem as if it has stagnated a little.

Imo Bosch wins, I don't really agree with your ergonomics rankings but besides that it was a great test. I had the dealt but it just felt cheap to me.

@TinkerWithTools

6 ай бұрын

Ergonomics are going to be fairly personal. I get that. And you right, the dewalt doesn't necessarily feel like the most robust option here. The bosch is a little tank and performs quite well. There are just a few minor things that I don't prefer about it.

Honestly, I don't know who would buy those Festool models. That Festool attachment alone costs more than my Milwaukee and Bosch sets. I got Milwaukee set with 2 batteries for $113 and Bosch for $99. I got Milwaukee first because of the M12 investment. However, after owning the Bosch I use it much more. I'm not too fond of the guard bit magnet and top directional button on the Milwaukee.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

You can definitely get more value for your money elsewhere. Hence why the DEWALT was the winner or recommendation of the video. But that doesn’t mean that the festool isn’t a nice tool just not one for everyone.

Metabo Powermaxx BS Quick series missing in this review. They have another style battery. Like in Milwaukee or Bosh.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Yes, they do have a stem style pack like the others but from what I have learned from my research it appears to be their older stuff. They seem to have made the switch to the slide style pack, so that is the reason for not including it at this point. I do have the new Brushless Metabo on order and when it comes in (currently slated for mid November) I will do a video dedicated to that and how it compares to these.

@Prime0pt

8 ай бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools yes, it is an older model but they still sell them. They have almost same specs as newer model but another grip.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Given the close proximity of specs I don't think that I will be bringing it to the channel (with the brushed in this review and the brushless coming soon) but I appreciate you mentioning it in case others are interested.

@theChukRak

4 ай бұрын

@@Prime0pt The in-handle battery pack drill from Metabo is only a brushed model (note that Mafell sells a re-branded version of that drill as well). The 12v brushless only comes in the slide pack, and there are newer 4AH 21700 cell based batteries for these which are fantastic battery packs for a 12v drill (you'll find Hilti has similar 4AH packs for their 12v tools). Makes the brushless Metabo almost as strong as the DeWalt.

Is it safe to say that-if you remove price from consideration-the Festool CXS 12 would have come in first place?

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

It was more consistent than the Dewalt, but the dewalt was better in power, sensitivity, noise. You won't be disappointed with either and if you have the money, the experience with the Festool is more premium, but in testing I think the dewalt still might edge it out.

@bdm1000

2 ай бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools I think the CXS 18 may be more powerful than the DeWalt while having as much control in the lower torque settings. Yes, the lower torque specs are the same as the CXS 12 (and perhaps not as sensitive as the DeWAlt as I think you pointed out), but part of the reason the CXS 12 and Bosch traded back and forth in testing has to do with the CXS 12's higher bore axis (like a pistol) as the Bosch has more overall torque (although it's 300 ft. lb. specs might be for metal rather than wood). Getting right behind the bore axis allows a person to naturally have more leverage behind the tool. But as you also pointed out, you cannot grip the CXS 12 lower on the frame using your index finger on the trigger. Since the CXS 12 and CXS 18 have identical second gear torque, gripping the CXS 18 lower on the frame could theoretically give you even less torque than the high grip of the CXS 12. Moreover, the extra torque Sedge demonstrates the CXS 18 [using a higher grip] in drill mode is quite impressive with the 1-3/8" drill bit (I saved the start time of the demonstration): kzread.info0pOLzD39iBY?si=laMwY7EqdKAC0qUv&t=489. Like I mentioned, I think the CXS 18 was meant to replace the C 18. Yes, it's slightly less power, but if you need more than the CXS 18 you're probably going to use a hammer drill/driver. As such, I really think-as expensive as it is-the CXS 18 is probably the king of the hill regarding installation drill drivers as it is both for assembly and an even better choice than its little brother for things like "deck construction". That makes sense given it is an 18v tool. It also isn't a one-off. The CXS 12 is a lone 12v tool in the Festool line. The CXS 18, however, gives you a 4 ah 18v battery which is still suitable for other 18v tools in their line other than the sanders. Moreover, the CXS 18 is actually quieter than the CXS 12: CXS 12 Fastening: A-weighted sound pressure level, LpA 75.00 dB(A) Fastening: A-weighted sound power level, LWA 86.00 dB(A) CXS 18: Fastening: A-weighted sound pressure level, LpA 72.00 dB(A) Fastening: A-weighted sound power level, LWA 83.00 dB(A) 3 decibels is actually quite significant when it comes to firearms (which you might think would matter less), but I don't know about drills. Anyway, if you ever end up pulling the trigger of a CXS 18, I would LOVE to see it go up against the DeWALT and CXS 12 in particular. My guess is that it would come out on top as the most versatile drill-not just among installation drill/drivers-but among drills period. For most homeowners/DIYers, it might be the only drill/driver they'd ever need. I mean, if the CXS 18 can drill a big hole like that, why would I even need a separate drill and impact driver as a homeowner/DIYer? Especially with all the chucks available for the CXS 12/18 (e.g. drywall chuck). I would much rather a quieter one tool solution as expensive as it is.

I had the hilti and I sold it for the Milwaukee, and I regret it daily!! The Milwaukee is horrible in the hand

Funny, this is the second video covering the CXS, with the reviewer mixing up the letters and calling it the CSX multiple times. No biggie, just seems the letters trip up some folks.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Well you should see all the footage on the cutting room floor then. Honestly when you have name like that and then also two different models (the CXS and CXS 12), for me, it ends up with a high number of slip of the tongue.

I have a new Bosch like from the video and I hate the noise, I actually prefer the older model (I have both). Too bad Festool went the same route.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

Yeah to me it seems like the difference of brushed vs brushless but also more potent higher spinning motors in such small bodies.

@donalexey

8 ай бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools I have 2 Bosch brushless 12v-35 and 12v-20 and the 20 version is so much quieter.

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

It’s the 20 and the 35 numbers for the European model numbers?

@donalexey

8 ай бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools Yes, the 35 is the same as the 300 in the US and another one is the previous generation. It is also brushless, but a little thinner and much quieter. And also I have noticed that trigger control is better in the previos model, the 300 is just has rapid start, not for precise work. Although I use both, the better is the one that is closer to you.

Bet the Milwaukee fpdx would outshine the rest

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

I think it would in the power category but I wonder how it would stack up in the other categories as well. Give the price to import one it will probably be left unanswered for a while by me.

@chuckgrumble5440

8 ай бұрын

the old cxs would eat milwaukee's lunch

@TinkerWithTools

8 ай бұрын

The old CXS was in the video. At this point it’s not really eating anyone’s lunch in terms of anything but precision. And given that’s it’s still $339 new I have a hard time recommending it.

Dewalt come in 1st? There battery are horrible. I stop using dewalt because of it. I swapped to Milwaukee over 15 years now battery still running strong

@TinkerWithTools

2 ай бұрын

I have had Dewalt tools in some form or fashion for 5 years now with no issue, but I am sorry that you had trouble with them. Glad you found something that works well for you.

@kaden7298

2 ай бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools yes I have had experience with Dewalt. I been in custom high end cabinets building for over 20 years now. 1st few years I own many line of Dewalt. Almost every single battery stop working in 1-2 years max. Buying new batteries is pointless. So I tried out Ridgid slightly better battery life but run out juice fast. over 10 years now I completely swapped to Milwaukee entire set of M18 and M12. All batteries still running strong and I use it daily. Only one battery bites the dust. For me. The battery is very important no matter how good the tool is. No power no work. And I love cordless tools

Where is Makita ???

@TinkerWithTools

4 ай бұрын

Does Makita currently have a multi chuck drill? I have heard rumors of one but I don’t think they have one currently.

@MadLadsAnonymous

4 ай бұрын

@@TinkerWithToolsThere was a patent covered by Tools and Stuff long time ago showing off an LXT installation driver. No word from Makita since. If Milwaukee sold the FPDX in the States and had a more sensitive trigger in general, I'd be all over it. They do need to update the Surge series as well.

@TinkerWithTools

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I am not holding my breath on Makita. I really hope they do come out with it but it seems likes its been more than a year that the US market doesn't have the latest LXT impact driver...

@MadLadsAnonymous

4 ай бұрын

@@TinkerWithTools What I really want are an XGT hydraulic impact-with controls like the TD173-and an XGT right-angle die grinder.

Can fe$tool beat the competition. Not in price.

@TinkerWithTools

3 күн бұрын

No, they will never be a price leader, unless being expensive is leading.

cXs not cSx

De Walt is so Clunky.

I need something like this to build RC race cars. My biggest need is control and a clutch that’s consistent.

@TinkerWithTools

3 ай бұрын

The best clutch here in my opinion is the Festool but the dewalt wasn't bad either.