A lot of people have had the quick connect wing connection boards fail in flight due to flex in the wings, luckily one of mine didn't work out of the box so I completely removed and replaced them with servo extensions and haven't had any problems. I now always read up on the model specific forums to fix any common issues before my maiden flight.

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the mention man. I will replace mine on my next model that came with this type of connection

So sorry for the loss of your plane but thanks for posting. Anyone who has had a model on a maiden flight and has encountered similar glitches will have been reliving your experience, I know I was !!. Hindsight is always the answer but at the time there is always the urge to try and regain control and not simply land in long grass and live to fly another day. We have all been there at some point.

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

Salute Brother!

I'm sorry for your crash, but the video was well done. I applaud how you calmed your butterflies and worked to resolve the gremlins in flight. The first landing was excellent. Don't be discouraged. I usually learn something from every failure and have found many folk who can help analyze the causes for problems. The technology amazes me; the knowledge is out there but takes work to find it. I haven't stepped up to this complexity (yet) and I'm still flying in gyro stabilized mode, but maybe some day...

Nice flying, and welcome to our volatile hobby.

Nice looking airplane, good video on the tracking keep at it and never give up we have all been there and done that

I see the plane trying to pitch up all the time...isn't that an indication it's Tail-Heavy?

Sorry for your loss bro. Hope she is flying again now.

Very well made video I watched it from start to finish I enjoyed it except for the sad ending

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the encouragement brother! Cheers!

Try loosening the screws that hold the connectors on the wings to give them a little flex.

That was a nice video you should have came down sooner keep the gear up and let it land on his belly send the video to the company who you bought it from and they might send you a new one keep on flying don't give up that's just the way the hobby goes good luck with your next project like I said nice excellent video that you made

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Carl Will

I felt that , i have ordered a flight controller for my plane as ive now crashed 3 times. Its a bank and yank only and at distance i just lost the plot.

No after watching again definitely need a range check and your flight speed is on the low end it's a war bird and it seems tail heavy too, maidens can be a pain sometimes too much going at the same time.

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

and our minds need to be in zen mode... else the fear would took over the sticks and our fingers will be shakin like earthquake! 😝

@rafaeltorres2886

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyYuenRC Absolutely 💯

Between an aileron lock and a gear failure on the maiden, I’d damn sure be giving FMS a phone call.

@AndyYuenRC

3 ай бұрын

they have replaced me a P51D 1500mm

@JN24185

3 ай бұрын

@@AndyYuenRC that’s amazing news to hear. Very pleased to know FMS supports their products. Thank you for updating me.

So many questions. Mine flew on rails b4 I sold it. Which battery? Was it all the way forward? Looked tail heavy at times. 1st flight too slow, 2nd was much better. It happens tho. Surprising with this plane tho. What receiver is in it?

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

I flew it with HRB 5200mAh 50c 6s All da way forward And receiver TD R18, transmitter Tendem Frsky

I love this plane one of my favorites. I have custom paint on mine

My friend has one since it came out Foam cup flys great , he still has it. Why is that so slow ? Battery correct? And I think Tail heavy. But what do I know I fly balsa plywood planes that are twice the size.

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

Maybe I was flying too slow but the aileron lock is annoying…

I have this same plane and it’s been a daisy right out of the box

Many times on that flight you were on the verge of tip stalling,next time if you have gear failure on one side put them both up,thanks for the video and hope you repair it and go again😢

I had a 1st Generation 1500 P47 (Jackie's Revenge Bubble-Top), and had the same issue with that one with Landing Gear, and to get them both to work I'd have to invert the Plane in Flight, and flew it as usual, and extending the Gear went normally which I could never seem to fix, even with replacement L.G., replacement Receiver...wound up selling it...

Looks like you are a victim of the crappy wing plugs they use. I took all the screws out of the plugs so they float instead of being fixed on each side and flexing with the wing to fuselage joint. So far I've been lucky with mine. My 70mm FMS Avanti had a wing decide to quit working mid flight, luckily I got it down in one piece and then floated the plugs and it's working fine again (only 2 flights since then though). I would not have gone for maiden 2 after losing control during maiden 1. Sorry for you loss, it's a really nice flying plane when it's working correctly. Those wing plugs are the only negative I've found with it so far.

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

not a fan of the wing plugs! if i saw it in my planes, I would remove it (instantly!)

Another apple crate bites the dust!

Ok over all you did fine on this flight but if you have a choice to land with one gear down? or with all gear up? always choose Gear Up Landing on the Grass, you may lose a propeller but damage will be minimal usually....2nd i notice you did alot of steep tight banking turns at a very slow speed,,,Do Not Fly Any Warbird this way it will put you into a Spin Everytime just as you did 3 times on this flight..Remember More Rudder and Flater Wings into your Turns or at least alot more speed when banking sharply...Also Full Aileron Reversal will Not pull you out of a Spin...Reverse Rudder Will...

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

Good info! Thanks for the advise!

There are two common problems with this plane: 1) The wing connectors. As indicated in the previous comment, it is mounted on the wing and any flex will cause it to come lose causing loss of control of aileron/gear/flap. Also if the inner gear door flap jams (grass/dirt etc) it will draw excessive current causing loss of aileron control as well. I disconnected my inner gear down as it is prone to jamming. I also made the wing servo connector free by removing the mounting screws. It seems to be a secure connection now even if the wing flexes. 2) The battery tray needs to be LOCKED with a click. On the 2nd flight I did not do that and the battery fell off the plane when I did a loop. With no control the plane came down fast and hard. Amazingly it fell into a bush which cushioned it well that the only loss were the prop blades and some compression creases on the fuselage. Once setup properly, the plane flies great and is very easy to handle.

On a maiden flight is recommended to keep landing gear down. Sorry for the crash, nice airplane.

The old stall and spin trick.

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

hate it!

Pretty sure the Crash was caused by a Tip-Stall...in my experience Left Turns usually in a down-wind situation at too slow a speed will cause a Tip-Stall...as for the L.G. issue, If it were me I would have attempted a Belly Landing...Props can be replaced. Sorry for your loss, it was a pretty Plane...

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

it is a tip stall at the end, but it is caused by the aileron lock during the landing approach

@randomprecisionmotors3130

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyYuenRC Ah. Usually when that happened to my models I was doing a left turn too slow down wind, usually because I would run my batteries long past 3.7V per cell...learned the hard way not to do either of those things to preserve models...

Ouch! We do have a reinforcement kit for this plane- you just need long drill bits. (I hate seeing this happen when you might have walked away with a few cracks- check out our Dynam Me262 vid)

It happened to me too! This is because of that wing connector that get loose!

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

Agree and it is a shame that this beauty have to suffer from bad electronic

Sorry about the plane but why would you NOT put all the gears up (with you it be the 1 main) and belly land. I mean with a belly landing you have a shot but with 1 main gear down you're for sure to mess up.

Okay, firstly, welcome to the hobby and don't be sad. I would want to give my 2 cents here as I have been at the same place years ago too. Warbirds are meant to be flown a little quicker than other aircrafts. As their wings are not designed to glide well. At lower speed where other aircrafts glide, warbirds will fall from the sky. You have been flying slow throughout the flights and I understand the nervousness, but like I said, the flights need to be faster. Most importantly, you need to work on your rudder controls. Both on takeoff and landing to keep the aircraft straight. Also on takeoff for warbirds, unlike other aircrafts don't push up the elevator to lift off the ground because these birds need to build airspeed doing a longer run. If needed, try to force be on ground until they build enough speed. I understand it risks the propeller hitting the ground, but if it was a gas/nitro p47 today, you would have crashed on take off. My P47 crashed thrice intro pieces and got repaired haha. If one landing gear fails to come out, put the other one back up and do a belly landing. Landing with one gear will topple your aircraft upside down being unbalance and also break your one retract, possibly your wing too. In your transmitter, also set hi and low rates and assign switch to switch them inbetween flight as per comfort. Use -40 expo for smoother flights. Now, the issue why you crashed. It could be that thing that fell off on downwind, but mostly it's you taking a slow turn. Once again, warbirds will stall on turns. I lost my Mustang P51 on maiden just like you did at this same turn for the same reason. Ideally stretch your downwind at a good altitude, then turn at a good speed, and do a long final approach straight in. That's where you can use flaps, and slow down and descent. Don't make short sharp turns just at the corner of runway. Lastly, foam aircrafts are easy to repair and I hope you can repair yours. They take time but most of the time repairable. I hope I could help you a little. Flying warbirds are not easy but in the end rewarding. Goodluck :D

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

well said! Thanks for the advise! Cheers!

Wow bit of bad luck what is the transmitter and receiver

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

Tendem X20s, Archer receiver… and I know… it is 100% not my receiver fault because maiden flight 1, I already felt funny on the maiden.

So sorry, We all have been there.

What a bummer. I love the p 47. They fly awesome. I hate the multi port wing connector they're just not trustworthy I prefer the y harness every time also note every warbird likes to fly nose heavy always forward of the recommended CG. To be safe and it will fly much nicer 👍🏻🤓✌️

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

Agree, I would much more prefer Y harness than the multi connector . Even the old version multi connector by FMS on the P51 1450mm are not reliable at times too!

8x50 cal... at point where the rounds are all calibrated to meet.. left one huge hole... nasty killing machine@!!

Another Big Factor to not going into a stall into turns besides more speed is get more nose weight happening on the ground with a bigger battery all the way forward...Tail Heavy Warbirds are Doomed to Stal Spins

Ive seen this many times with moisture getting sucked in the front end...receiver goes bonkers...

This is such a nice flying warbird sad u will not get to enjoy it

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

my Instructor flew his for close to 3 years now without any issue but sadly I got the lemon this time...

Never land with a single gear. You’ll damage way less landing her on her belly.

@AndyYuenRC

10 ай бұрын

agree! every mistake come with a lesson, and i learn it the hard way!

It hurts to watch that crash even though it is not my plane. I don't like retracts and will not purchase any model, no matter how nice otherwise, having retractable landing gear. Plenty of fixed landing gear models out there to keep me happy.

@lw8795

Жыл бұрын

Thx for the advice, especially since this crash had nothing to do with retracts. Keep flying your cheap stick planes

@BillKisel

Жыл бұрын

@@lw8795 Sorry, didn't mean to suggest that the landing gear was the cause of the crash. Also, I wasn't giving advice concerning retracts versus fixed landing gear to you or any of your viewers. I was just expressing my opinion concerning retractable landing gear. I viewed your video, gave it a like and left the comment. I'm not trying to be hostile to you or anyone else who chooses to purchase RC planes with retracts.

sorry about that ! No battery !And it's over 6 minutes !

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

more like the aileron lock at a position which you unable to counter, and the only thing to do is using rudder to correct the plane..

That sucks sorry about that 👍

Stop flying so slow, pilot error

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

not pilot error, as I have no aileron authority, the plane sort of lock it self at a position. same experience in Maiden flight 1

@valjatriogina228

Жыл бұрын

​@@AndyYuenRC take advice, stubborn! Or buy a replacement until you master it, but dont tell obvious bullshit!

@brianshelton1232

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyYuenRC you only get one maiden...hence the word maiden....everything here was 100 percent pilot error.

hope it was fixable, very nice plane

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

Fixed it and pass it to my instructor to fly it, same, he crashed it with total lost!

According to this video I can plainly see alot of insects flying around. With that said could be the issue, flying in an infested insect area. I have watched many videos of this awesome war bird with no known incidences.

Looks like you ran out of battery power

unknown error? look at the conditions you're flying in! you probably got water in it somewhere..

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There's nothing wrong with landing in the grass with gear up

Gear up is better than one gear down and one up. Belly land it in the grass next time. Sorry for the loss of the plane. Oh, and no such thing as a second maiden flight...just sayin!

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

well, I call it a second maiden, because you cant get all the trimmings, or tuning on the first maiden. More testing required to dial the plane to perfection such as flap mix with elevator, or landing gear mix elevator. (If* required of course)

@goodcopbadcop9872

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyYuenRC Those would be trim flights then. 2d maiden is like being a 2d virgin. 🙂

FMS use cheep servo no work in rain!

Sir can i say something, you fly this warbird the wrong way, in every corner you almost have a stall, you fly the warbird to slow with not enough power, so you did get a stall on the landing, that happens to manny first warbird flyers, even to the experience pilots than can happen sometimes iff they do not keep the power on, you can better practice on some more easy to fly plane like a high wing plane before you fly a warbird, a warbird is not a beginner plane, i like warbirds to but they are a bit fiddly to fly iff u do not now how, my tip keep the power on in the corner, but i am sorry for you loss and i hope you will not give up on warbirds and this beautiful hobby.

@friendlyreptile9931

Жыл бұрын

Yes and no. The reason for the crash was not his speed. The plane was not reacting like it should at 12:04 and he started to say NO seconds before it stalled so you can asume that there was something wrong. He also wrote multiple times that something glitched in the electronics.

@joshaas

Жыл бұрын

@@friendlyreptile9931 i do not think so, wen you closely look than you see it was a stall, he was slowing down for the landing, and the plane was already slow and he did make it slower for the landing in a turn and when he did feel that he was going in a stall he did put more power on and that is the killer, you also get the left torque from the engine and than you are done, in all of his turns he was saying no no no, wy, he did feel the beginning of a stall in almost every turn he did make, and the last turn was his slowest turn on the video, so ask everyone that did have a stall on a warbird they all say the plane did not respond, so it feels like signal los but a left turn so slow is a killer for a warbird and when you than put fast the power on you have a big problem, even a experience warbird pilot can not save this bird that is flying so low with that stall and engine torque

Sorry man some thing was wrong, they should send you a new plane it was evident some thing was wrong.

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

Filed an report, and we shell see... Thanks man for suggesting it!

Ever heard of a "Flight control check" Just like a real airplane you don't check if all the controls move on the ground you check if they move and move in the correct way before you takeoff. A very important part of flying

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

that my routine, to check on all surface 3 times (up and down, up and down, up and down) before i park it to the runway. which is why you noticed after i landed on maiden 1, i quickly re-check on the surfaces. unplug all the electronics, and test again... that translate to good behavior on 2nd maiden but how ever, the plane acted like Maiden 1 during landing approach, which are a bummer!

@lw8795

Жыл бұрын

@dofushrop watch vids b4 posting. You’ll save yourself from looking like a shrop, and not waste everyone’s time

@ahmersarwar

Жыл бұрын

Surely he checked controls or else he won't have been flying alright for so long lol

its the CRAP servos and poor soldering in the connectors. FMS/Bananna Hobby/Arrows.... same shit.

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

agree!

Here goes 600$😅

@AndyYuenRC

10 ай бұрын

Boom! in the bin she goes! 😂

FMS and their lousy electronics. That's why I don't buy anything from them anymore. Only had the V1 800mm F4U and needed to mod it to fly properly. I'll take freewing over FMS any day. There's another angle as to why the electronics are randomly failing. The ESC may be having trouble supplying enough amps to the electronics causing some of the servos to randomly fail when UNDER LOAD. This seems to be the case with the ailerons not being able to work properly, when wind is over them, causing the servo to attempt to draw more amps to counter the drag. BEC could also be failing to power the retracts, or some shorts causing the power issue to damage/interfere with the other electronics. For models this size I recommend dedicated SBEC (switching) with OPTO esc. I rechecked the specs. This warbird uses over 6 (17g)+ 3 (9g) digital servos that are way more than 9g size, and they're DIGITAL servos, therefore the amp draw must be quite a lot. It's also running on 6s so there's quite a lot of work for the switching bec as well. If servos are still working fine now, most likely the sbec portion of the ESC failed or cannot handle the amp draw. The question now is are the digital servos stock or have you replaced them with something that could be drawing more amps?

@Mikeylikesit1968

Жыл бұрын

Freewing and Flightline are more junk. Sorry FMS is way better

@Mikeylikesit1968

Жыл бұрын

STFU you now nothing about anything your saying. These ESCs in all FMS planes use Opto ESCs .

I was yelling ADD POWER at my TV the entire time!! You didn't have enough power for that airplane. It needs more power to fly properly. Second, not once did I hear you make any trim adjustments. The maiden is for the pilot to make any necessary trim adjustments. Even though you saw a problem with the gear, you must always remember to fly the airplane FIRST and foremost. Then start thinking about the gear issue or anything else that might come up duringa flight. I would also suggest for you to spend a few hours flying an RC simulator. Good luck always!

Why are you trying to fly it for so long You know it is flying good at all something is wrong bring it down right away and check everything.

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

Did that on first maiden, and second maiden was acting ok, but it glitches during landing approach! which is sucks! (i was at low speed and low altitude) Bummer!

@denney5168

Жыл бұрын

Right!

@rafaeltorres2886

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyYuenRC 😮‍💨

That why I don't buy FMS planes it's Plug in play products you have to buy a receiver for it all junk stuff go with E-flite bind-n-fly receiver already installed in all their planes

@AndyYuenRC

10 ай бұрын

sadly, Spectrum technology is are not widely available in other continent

flying at stall speed is never a good idea, especially with a war bird. The P47 has a great glide ratio but it looked like you pushed it to the limit, and with the left gear down causing the drag and the spin.

Tail heavy

@AndyYuenRC

6 ай бұрын

I’ve checked and it’s the control board is short right out from the factory.. FMS have compensated me one..

You had serious problems with that airplane that you didn't check good enough before you flew it "" I don't know how long you've been flying but CHECK" CHECK " CHECK and re'check !!! I can't stress that enough . I've been flying for a long time and I learned this the hard way many years ago , I had an 84 inch WS P51 that crashed because I didn't check all the connections on my receiver " I was doing a lot of HOT DOG. Aerial combat maneuvers and the connections on the elevator and ailirons came loose " Yea it wasn't good watching a $2500 airplane hit the ground head on from 75 yrds above me !!! Its funny now but wasn't then , My point is you don't have to learn the hard way if you do that one simple thing !!! Check " and re'check it again !!!

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree! Thanks for the advise Clifford Rayford.

@cliffordrayford5063

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyYuenRC Your welcome Andy " R/C hobby is expensive today " it saves a lot of money for people to just check everything on their aircraft before they fly it " I've built over 60 airplanes " after I lost my P51 Mustang due to my own negligence I never lost one airplane due to NOT CHECKING it before I flew it !! I'm glad I could help " Take care and HAPPY FLYING 👍

@cliffordrayford5063

Жыл бұрын

Oh " yea its also not a good idea to fly inverted 10 ft above the deck at full throttle and give it FULL UP ELEVATOR to pull out !!! Lol , I planted an expensive Saito 120 4 stroke in the dirt doing that and yea" I never made the same mistake twice !!😂😂😂😂👍

FMS is no EFlite so buyer beware. I have the 1700mm PA18 and so far no problems.

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

Actually FMS produce for E-flite believe me or not.. you can see many similarity or FMS characteristic on both of this brand planes.

Pilot knew the alerons were not responding because he shouted no no no, early in the final turn, so it wasn't a stall. I agree with pilot, circumstances beyond his control. It flew ok before this happened, no amount of checking on the ground ( which he obviously did)would have shown the problem

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

The Crash was beyond my control, and when am screaming well all those no's... I'm already at full aileron to counter but no avail! Thank GOD FMS decided to replace me a P51D mustang 1500mm size.

@mazpr2025

11 ай бұрын

You can do all the aileron you want, when it stalls it drops like a rock and at such low altitude it was game over. The HK Tundra used to suffer from defective burned out aileron connector boards. I am not sure how it is on this one, I just replaced the aileroj servos and used extenders, ditch out the shitty board, at least on the Tundra.

You need to use your brain for flying, not talking. You can fly a trainer that slow, but not a warbird. Go back to a fast trainer for a while..

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

Well, I've been flying for the past 10 years, (warbirds only) judging my experience with 30cc & 20cc balsa planes, and fomies, I know what am I dealing with... 🙂 I will try on Trainer now... thanks for suggesting...

@txkflier

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyYuenRC Was that not you carrying on like a little girl? 😎

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

@@txkflier LOL!

kind of makes you want to get out of tha hobby doesn't it ?

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

not get out of the hobby but get out from the brand that make this Junk!

@valjatriogina228

Жыл бұрын

​@@AndyYuenRC dont blame the manufacturers for your lack of skills! A plane like that needs to work 100 % before you maiden it! When you noticed, that the landing gear wasnt working properly on 1st maiden, you should have checked it and all other functions until everything was perfect! A rainy day isnt the best for a maiden. Anyways it looked like the plane was a bit tail heavy and you were flying very slow all the time. Nice plane, bad pilot!

@carlwill5009

Жыл бұрын

That is part of the hobby accept crashes if we do not accept crashes then don't invest more money into it that's just the way the hobby works

@valjatriogina228

Жыл бұрын

@@carlwill5009 your right, 100 %! But there seem to be a lot of people, who think, that the purchase automatically enables you to use it, as you expect! A little reading would have led Andy Yuen to the fact, that there have been issues with this model before. Being so naive, just to build it up, make a lot of scale details, doesnt make it fly perfect automatically!

no cg check or flight control check.

@AndyYuenRC

8 ай бұрын

all done preflight check before camera rolling

you only get one maiden...hence the word maiden....everything here was 100 percent pilot error.

@AndyYuenRC

Жыл бұрын

From my perspective, and struggle on maiden 1 I would strongly say is a electronic faulty..