@2:00 Battle Magic @9:42 Demonology @14:18 Dark Magic @19:20 Elementalism @24:54 High Magic @33:01 Illusion @37:53 Necromancy @42:24 WAAAAAAAGH @48:00 Magic Items @52: 08 Thank you for all the amazing content Stephen.

@Pbblaster8434

5 ай бұрын

Let’s see high elves on the table bro!!!

I grieve over lack of Transformation of Kardon. Being able to turn my wizard into a monster made it my favourite spell in the entire game.

This is really interesting since those are actually the from categories of magic from the WFRP 1st edition Realm of Sorcery supplement, with Battle Magic encompassing the Eight Lores of Magic taught by Teclis, and Illusionism, Elementalism, and Hedge Wizardry representing the magical traditions in the Empire before the arrival of Teclis, and Dark, Necromancy, and Demonology being the forbidden arts in the Empire. Also, lore of shadows is always described as the magic of illusion, and the Jade Wizards were also called "Elementalists" in the 7th edition rulebook.

Wood Spellweavers can use Illusion. Take a familiar to pick your spells and an Ogre Blade. Throw her in your Cav death star unit and she can do as much or more damage than your melee lord...

@jlae111

5 ай бұрын

*laughs in Shadow Dancer Too bad they can't take Spear of Twilight... 2D6 hits with killing blow and auto wound on 3+ would be pure murder

Vortex spells almost seem like something you drop behind a unit you feel you will beat in combat so when they fall back they take some extra damage. Or dropping it as a blocking spell like Steve has said.

Extra Attacks [x] doesn't modify your attacks characteristic, so if you get hit by aomthing that applies a -1 to attcks, the Extra Attacks remain. I think.

I like these lores!

Thanks for doing these, I look forward to future videos.

Give a HE Archmage the Warden of Saphery honour for 10 points, so that the doppelganger spell does 2d6 S5 Ap -2 hits with killing blow and then you can give them magic armour so you're not just dead in combat

@plasmapanasonic4741

5 ай бұрын

That's my plan, not to shabby

Great Review. Loved the in depth review. It'll be interesting to see how things pan out in games but from what I've seen/heard so far it's really encouraging. Thanks again Steve!

Almost seems to me like Waaagh magic is leaning towards helping O&G casters on monsters, Hand of Mork for positioning to get your massive auras onto as many units as possible? Just a shame Night Goblin Shaman are stuck on foot still

Would be cool, to cut the video into parts so I inow where to find what xP (here for the high elve magic):]

@SSBBcore

5 ай бұрын

Yes! Would be helpful!

I wonder why they didn't go with the 8 original lores of magic and then have a couple signature spells for each army lore like they've already done. It kind of bothers me that these spells are all over the place and some are even taken from old lores. Phantasmagoria is a Daemon of Slaanesh spell and won't feel very lore friendly if you have empire battle mages casting it.

@benneem

5 ай бұрын

Because the 8 lores system is fundamentally a Teclian/Imperial College of Wizards thing. In the fluff pretty much no wizard kept their magic to just 1 wind before Teclis said so. In fact, restricting all armies other than the Empire to the 8 mono-wind lores like was the case in the last several editions conflicted with the fluff.

Thank you!

So does tempest auto kill fanatics near it as it makes open ground difficult terrain and fanatics die as soon as they touch difficult or dangerous terrain...

Can you cast Walk Between Worlds to gain etherial for a round and then charge (or vice versa)? Or does that not work with the order of opperations?

@benhadaway3322

5 ай бұрын

I don't think you an stack buffs. So the 1st spell would be replaced by the second

Is there a video talking about magic items?

Sword of teclis gonna be nasty with that illusion spell

Which one would you recommend for Lizardmen?

@MountainMiniatures

5 ай бұрын

elem...wait a minute...

The new restrictions paradoxically make magic waaay more interesting to my mind. I didn't like how ludicrously deadly vortexes were in 8th, but now that things are toned down, I'm really eager to see what an Empire Battle Wizard on a pegasus can do!

It kind of feels that High magic is kind of more limited than others.

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Aw, no Danse Macabre? I guess it might show up as a VC spell but I was looking forward to every army having a unit of D6 skeletons to hand.

@ThePaintedHope

5 ай бұрын

Thank god they didn't xD

Is sythajar scroll in the game? ( the one that turn someone into an frog)

Well better than 8th! Lol. Game sounds fun

I got priced out of the old world but I'm still looking forward to the content. Perfect background noise while I paint

@chad534

5 ай бұрын

If I may ask which part priced you out?

@itssupermandoe2434

5 ай бұрын

@chad534 personally 80 bucks for basic troops choices on old sprues doesn't seem worth it. I'm already at a place where I have enough models for other games. so paying extra for objectively worse models (i know they are cool but very dated) is kinda locking me out. I was hyped when I thought it would be new stuff but old + pricey isn't it for me personally.

@chad534

5 ай бұрын

@@itssupermandoe2434 Yup I understand. Luckily for me I just kept my tomb kings and had recently acquired tons more bretts. So I'm happy they didn't update too much makes my armies viable again

@GilthosDrakoniss

5 ай бұрын

If you like Chaos you could have a very small army at 2,000 points and get all new models.

@plasmapanasonic4741

5 ай бұрын

Brah, 3d print your army, I sold my empire, but will be getting an army printed, won't cost much at all.

👍👍

Shadowdancer, Illusion, magic weapon, dead people.

Nice :D

@ character that can take illusion and its fighty - Shadowdancer from WE WS8/BS6/S4/T3/W2/I7/A3+D3/Ld8

but what about Skaven Magic?!?!

Not say that there is anything wrong with the new lores. I just miss the diversity of many lores of magic in the older versions. Especially the colors of magic. I like that they tuned magic down, making it less powerful and dominating, but I prefer there to be more lores. For me it seems more like laziness from GW

@Yasmirr

5 ай бұрын

The lores of magic haven’t been invented yet on the time line so it kinda makes sense to me

@lcmiracle

5 ай бұрын

This is actually a reference to the old first edition fantasy roleplay supplment Realm of Sorcery system. Battle Magics is alos the old all-encompassing lore before 4th edition. In 3rd edition the lores were High, Dark, Necromantic, Battle, Waagh, Chaos (Tzeentch, Slaanesh, Nurgle), Skaven and Chaos Dwarf magics, and the eight lores were referred alltogether in realms and 4th edition as "Battle Magic". It is interesting they singled out Illusionism and Elementalism though, as these two were only their own separate lores in WFRP 1st edition; although Grey Wizards are also called Illusionists and Jade Wizards the Elementalists up to 7th/8th edition WHFB rulebook.

Sure Armor of Destiny is 70 points, but can't you put it on a guy mounted on a monster and have ~9 wounds with a 4++?

@acrylnick2281

5 ай бұрын

Yes this was my first though. High elf prince of dragon 9 wounds at T6 with as much of a stack as i can.

@Murkglow

Ай бұрын

For a High Elf Prince on a Dragon you're probably better off with the Dragon Helm, Talisman of Protection, and Seed of Rebirth. Add in the normal equipment and the dude is 2+/5++/5+++. Armor of Destiny is only Heavy Armor and since you can't take the Dragon Helm with it you're left with a 4+/4++/5+++ set of saves. Even against a Great Cannon the first gives you 5+/5++/5+++ while Armor of Destiny is only a 4++/5+++. It's only if they proc the Armor Bane that Armor of Destiny gets to be better and AP that high (-5!) is super rare. The first set of equipment is also ~20 points cheaper.

it sounds like it's going to be closer to 6th edition

enjoyed your read, I am really looking forward to playing fantasy again. 8th edition (in my opinion) killed fantasy. I feel it could have been saved if they added "an army must contain at least 3 core units" this would have removed the every army is one giant hoard unit.

@Lunatic410

5 ай бұрын

I feel that most times an edition did something new like 8th did with hoarde and steadfast, it generally was rocky. The edition after that one was generally good as any issues with new mechanics were identified and addressed. Is why we needed a 9th so badly lol. In my opinion, to get the benefits of being in a hoarde formation, the unit should have needed a special rule (Let's call it "hoarde unit"). I play High Elves and, imho, none of their units would be a "hoarde unit". But goblins 100% would be. Ah well, is too bad we never got it and all we can do is speculate 😢

WAAAAGH!!! magic seem underwhelming somewhat. There are some good stuff but inb coparison to demonology for example......

Can your initiative be dropped lower than 1?

so,,, magic its gone. I think this Old word madness will come to an end very soon

@aknasderth1401

5 ай бұрын

It is just the beginning. Please let me remind you how AoS had begun...

@MountainMiniatures

5 ай бұрын

I dont think that is at all accurate.

@lcmiracle

5 ай бұрын

@@aknasderth1401 AoS is beneath mention

@aknasderth1401

5 ай бұрын

@@lcmiracle 😊

Seems largely irrelevant. Since all the mechanics allowing you to actually try and push through or counter particular spells etc have been stripped out and we're left with barely a magical system, the relevance of thinking about spells outside "who do I want to receive the fireball this turn" is just chosing a lore for your wizard, which you don't really need much contemplation for.

@bt-ft1tz

5 ай бұрын

I don't think it's quite that straightforward. There's alot more magic interaction going around from the board, like magic resist and bubbles of -2 to spell cast and stuff. There are also power & dispel scrolls, add a dice and drop lowest.. not much but it's something. There'll still be a battle over magic, just the stakes aren't as high as they were. Overall the lores all look very nice and offer utility and interesting things. Change is ok sometimes, even if it's not perfect.

@Ethnarches

5 ай бұрын

I think the magic system in The Old World is it's only bigger weakness, but having now watched 5 battle reports and listened to hours of reviews, you are being way too harsh. There's still much more tactical depth and fun to be had with the new system. Otherwise I think it’s the best ruleset since 6th and much better in many ways, although overall so far I still prefer 6th.

@Orlunu

5 ай бұрын

@@Ethnarches That's fair, and I do think it's probably the best since 6th (unless we count WAP), the magic system is the major failing point and to the point that it largely takes away the relevance of thinking about the spells in detail. You simply aren't going to be choosing which to take, which to cast, which to try and dispel...

@tomekhekin914

5 ай бұрын

A agree, the should be some kind of threat except double 1's or pool of power. Casting every available spell is not fun. Plus spell familiar will make it even more boring.

@MountainMiniatures

5 ай бұрын

Yeah that hasn't been my experience at all in my games.