Side note, I was asked by a community member to compare this specific play to Madden 18 directly. I guess they thought I wouldn't, or Id be forced to show how great Madden is, lol. Facts are, nobody will out work me in our community, Ill gladly do it! Come back tomorrow for that video and more!

@Leeon_King

6 жыл бұрын

Hell. Yes!! #NoFluff #JustFacts

@nnamdixrevolutionary8883

6 жыл бұрын

RyanMoody21 get em moody keep em coming !!!!

@ogthevampire1785

6 жыл бұрын

RyanMoody21 lol. I believe I read that comment

@dooder6755

6 жыл бұрын

what system is this game on?

@Leeon_King

6 жыл бұрын

+Dooder It originally came out for the Xbox 360 and PS3.

I thought the thumbnail was a real life game haha

@Saintmadman

6 жыл бұрын

me too!

@jalonjt

6 жыл бұрын

Me too lmao

@AMan-dj2qo

6 жыл бұрын

kermitBERRY7 me too

@jcaashby3

6 жыл бұрын

Holy shit. I did too. I thought he was maybe going to break down a real life game and compare it to ESPN2K or APF

@industrialfansettolow8313

6 жыл бұрын

jcaashby3 Haha that's exactly what I was thinking

They ACTUALLY hold their block during a run? That's a LUXURY in Madden. I don't know how many times, I'll accurately hit a hole clean, only to be sucked into an animation completely nullifying my momentum OR my O linemen just letting go allowing the D linemen to slide into place for a tackle. Again, with the example of the safety. Majority of the time if a player is coming in to "finish up" a tackle in Madden, they either do that really low shoulder dive into nothing OR as we all know, their body goes limp and fall lifelessly to the ground. This is night and day man. Night and day.

@lukeskywalker6831

6 жыл бұрын

Bayta Librae holy shit you are so right, run up the gut, nice hole, and then out of nowhere the DT just wrecks you. So annoying. And defense doesn't even matter in this stupid ass game. You can have a hall of fame defense and still give up points to a peewee pop warner team.

@Leeon_King

6 жыл бұрын

+daddyPATTIES ... it's SO annoying.

@fjlaurence

6 жыл бұрын

That bullshit with run plays is the thing that irritated me more than anything else in Madden 18. It's literally every play when you have a perfect running lane. Yet when I'm on defense, my DTs can't close the gap for shit. It's so garbage.

@articstorm007

6 жыл бұрын

Bayta Librae i hate when i run past a blocked lineman and they peel off the block

@teamroadblock255

6 жыл бұрын

Fred Laurence yes bro

Who thought these were real people by looking at the thumbnail?

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

Apparently hundreds.

No lie i thought this was a real game

@drakoqwan3147

6 жыл бұрын

Octavius Bailey same

@yhwhfearingguy646

6 жыл бұрын

Octavius Bailey fr

@Maal7432

6 жыл бұрын

Me too.

@Hellchoseme420

6 жыл бұрын

Me too

The run game feels so much more dynamic in 2k. On madden it almost feels like the play is predetermined when you run the ball. Like you're on ice skates and you just glide downhill till a defender touches you. In 2k ive always appreciated the strategy on the sticks actually having the ability to be a patient runner and wait for your blockers and wait for your hole to develop. Simple football fundamentals.

Is this the Xbox 360 version? This game looks pretty good to have come out in 2007. I though the thumbnail was a real game too!

@Fier07112

6 жыл бұрын

Letroy Dixon me too

The pass rush in Madden is dissapointing...there's no realism just magnetism

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

I know I've said it a lot but wait till tonites vid drops.

@finnz7495

6 жыл бұрын

RyanMoody21 all pros pass rush is poetry..thinkn of it makes me wanna start a leauge...

Madden is arcade cheese. Lots of missing fundamentals to make for big plays. Polished with an authentic looking sheen. Madden is trash. Simple.

@Bootysnorkler707

6 жыл бұрын

ROMEY RUSH that’s tuff!

2K games have always been smooth as fuck animation-wise. They just can't be beat.

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

EA has always struggled with the smoothness in animation transitions.

All Pro Football, a 7+ year old [EDIT - 10 YEAR OLD GAME] game on LAST gen hardware and even software is better than MADDEN 18's on field football on the latest and great hardware and software. You know... EA IS WEAK. STOP BUYING THAT TRASH.

@blackman2621

6 жыл бұрын

pasGedden7 I agree 100

@ralphkramden2826

6 жыл бұрын

pasGedden7 One correction, a TEN year old game. Coincidentally it's 10 X better than Madden.

@GeddensGC

6 жыл бұрын

Ralph Kramden hahaha

Am I the only one who saw the thumbnail and thought it was real high school football? Goes to show the realism in 2k

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

No. Got a lot of that which was unexpected.

@diamondwalton8428

6 жыл бұрын

RyanMoody21 I want 2k back.

@diamondwalton8428

6 жыл бұрын

RyanMoody21 Madden ain't the same no more remember when you could create a team an turn a football field into a baseball field an when they had Madden cards before dlc was created before mut it was create a team back when you can hit a player so hard they helmet comes off.... that's the Madden I remember can you do a video like that?

@TheRealDill93

6 жыл бұрын

Thought the same exact thing. Actually came here to say that. I just can’t put my finger on it. Even players walking around after the play looks so realistic

@Saintmadman

6 жыл бұрын

me too!

EA should be ashamed.

Im not getting any younger. Please 2K make a Fball game, anything for gods sake. License or unlicensed.

@aspaceproductions

6 жыл бұрын

Haha NBA 2k is just as bad as Madden. Though I'd still agree that they shpuld make another football game just for competitions sake.

@Onyx560

6 жыл бұрын

After 2020 they'll be able to because EA's contract with the NFL will be done.

@jcaashby3

6 жыл бұрын

All they are going to do is re up again with the contract. I hope they dont and its open to all again.

@417Graphix

6 жыл бұрын

NFL should be like fuck that and let some other people get in andmake some football games share that license and make a shit ton of money

@dankburrito4219

6 жыл бұрын

TheAz1atic They should make XFL 2K19

That sideline at :059 though!!! The detail in it is amazing, I mean, the fan is actually blowing!! And then the reaction of the coach and players after the run. This game is a decade old!!! Step up EA!!!!

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

Wondered how long it would take for that sideline to be mentioned.

@stunnasam21

6 жыл бұрын

RyanMoody21 not to beat a dead horse, but maybe a single comparison of receiver blocking. The block by number 84 at the top of screen looks REALLY clean. Seeks out his assignment, completes the block, and even appears to hold his block down with one arm while the play plays out. Either way, you're doing an awesome job. We appreciate it.

I had a play once where Emmitt Smith broke a 50+ yard run. During the play, my Right Tackle held his block all the way until the whistle blew, after the touchdown. The topper, was the fact that the blocker even "turned" his block, to keep the defender from going after the runner, even though the defender would never catch Emmitt Smith.The defender was not even in the play after 5 yards of a gain during the run, but also, the lineman held his block. He held a block for a play that lasted about 8 to 10 seconds or more. Just amazing to tell you the differences between this game 10 years ago, and Madden NOW!Also Ryan Moody. Congratulations on your SFL team expansion! Can't wait to see your players on the field.

Looks so much better than madden. And why does the tv angle look so much better from 2008. Maddens make the players look like robots.

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

Great questions, only EA could answer!

LOL once the ball snapped I thought I was looking at a real game until you mentioned its just another video game 😂😂😂

Excellent video .... now you getting into the simple intricacies of football ....as it relates to football and video games ... please keep hitting them of the head with the killer videos!

Why don't they just remaster this game ?

I agree, one of the problem with Madden is it always seems like the players move at the same pace after special moves. The players really never slow down, and re- accelerate. Good video.

This game should be rereleased with a franchise mode and team/player edit options and we'd be set.

@shermanereid

6 жыл бұрын

C_Schultz73 I would pay $60 for the exact same game released on PS4 / Xbox one

Ryan please stop making this videos. They make me sad that I may never get to play an actual sim football game EVER again in my life. Im 44 and not getting any younger.

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

Lol. Take solice in knowing Im showing this game to a whole new age that only know Madden.

I was playing madden 17 the other day with a friend and he was 3 man rushing me and still getting in the back field within 1.5 seconds. The offensive line in madden is worthless.

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed, more on this tonite.

Thanks again Ryan for showing comparisons. You are the last JEDI of Simulation Football breakdowns. Keep teaching these new kids on the block about what we had before Madden bought the NFL license before the 2005 video game cycle. Even though 2K delivered with All Pro Football 2K8 afterwards in 2007, the majority of football gamers slept on that game because the NFL branding wasn't in it. It was and is the standard of simulation football. It has the base ingredients (programming) that newer games need to start with as a foundation.

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jack. So many people don't even know about 2k8 its crazy to see the reaction they have to seeing it.

I actually thought it was real football highlights until they zoomed in on the faces 😂😂

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

Shocking how many people thought that.

This is still the greatest football game on the planet. I bought Madden 18 today for under 20$ just to see how it is but I already it will not amount to this game

Another great vid talking and showing facts

Keep them coming Ryan. This is football. Good job man.

@colton9941

6 жыл бұрын

jack collins this is virtual football not real football

@jackcollins7053

6 жыл бұрын

ggcthby bjikgfjb This is All Pro Football 2K8 based game play. It came out in 2007 on the Xbox 360 and PS3. I was there. It is the best replication of football to this day beside its big brother ESPN NFL 2K5.

That’s because these developers care about games.. EA is all about money.. they are trying to make a game that satisfies hardcore gamers by letting them build a team but still fuck them over from now and than and give casuals a boost.. so they feel accomplished and keep playing.. the more people playing the more money gets spent.. more packs being bought.. they aren’t trying to fix these subtle but important things.. which is why i gave up on them in Nov.

Yo this looks like an actual real life football game for a sec the animation is good

You have awesome content. Keep up the great work.

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you Arliss, appreciate the support and multiple comments!

Unbelievable how tv like this looks compared to Madden 🤔

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

The reaction's tonite when this play gets compared to Madden have me wanting to drop the video at like 4pm.

It legit looked like real players moving... Wish 2k were able to produce football games still. Their games were awesome on PS2/ps3. Imagine where we'd be now.....

I wonder, legally speaking, if 2k could make a generic football game in which players could fully create and control rosters/leagues/front office stuff etc. Basically so people could "create" the NFL within a more generic football game. I mean, obviously it's going to fall short in a lot of places, you won't hear team names or see the logos or arenas, but if the core experience were better, if it played realistically, could it be worth it? I mean, probably not worth doing now, but I hope 2k has assets prepared for when the EA monopoly on the NFL ends, so it doesn't take them more years to release a game.

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

More than likely not, way to much red tape.

you are the Greg Cossell of video game football. I always feel smarter after watching your vids.

I wish they would bring this game back. I wish they never stopped making it.

it honestly took me a minute to realize this is a game

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

A lot of people felt the same way.

You can also see the corner at the top moving up in his zone based on what he's reading. AI in madden doesn't even come close. Player awareness ratings mean essentially nothing

While 2k doesn't have the polish that Madden 18 has its still more fun to play and in many ways more realistic. EA's exclusivity agreement was a dark day for football fans. No real innovation and a constant hand in your pocket mentality has really set this franchise back.

lovin it. was physics a counter to backbreaker, did they think it was an improvement, or was it something they had in their plans for awhile, or a combination? it's ugly and not convincing. there is such a gap in quality between a motion capture animation and a physics interaction. wish they would have kept chugging on backbreaker...

The trouble with APF is IMO the game doesn't recognize linemen, line play is way too animation driven. I have a video of a silver guard and generic center double teaming a bronze tackle, but because the tackle started a break block animation on the generic center, he automatically had to win the battle and his win animation transitioned into automatically blasting through a double team to get a quick sack on me. You also have legend offensive lineman run past defenders (this rarely happened in 2k5) too often. Lastly, because the game gives you so many bad plays and ratings that don't matter with legend linemen, there's no incentive to build a team around them. Legend skill players will not lose against their opponents who are a lower tier than them. Jerry Rice won't constantly be nullified by an inferior legend or generic cornerback the way Anthony Munoz or Reggie White would. IMO 2k4 had the best and most organic line play. 2k5 had the most consistent line play, it just wasn't as interesting and generally made defensive ends irrelevent.

@KCClassic7

6 жыл бұрын

NYG5 Good points. For APF are you talking about online play, or offline play? Both? One think I noticed at times is they don’t recognize priority on the line.. I’ve seen Generic players double teamed while there were Gold players on the line .

@2kFootballNow

6 жыл бұрын

I would slightly disagree with the importance of lineman in APF, I was in online league for 50 seasons in APF that's lasted 5 years, and I routinely chose the the Browns as my team in part I wanted gold Joe Thomas and he definitely made a difference over the long haul, I had 1400 yds with a generic back around 4.2 or 4.6 yds a carry, but saying that when star off lineman got into a double team block with generic far to often the double team block break through animation would trigger which is annoying, but star gold lineman do make difference, I won league championship one year with Reggie white, Art Donovan, jack Youngblood, and Jerome brown, I can tell you they wreak have on the other teams especially since a lot of people didn't value star offensive lineman. My last point is if you look at the Browns in real life their terrible but have one greatest tackles in NFL history, but tackles don't win games, you can lose with bad ones, but you still need a Aaron Rodgers or a Tom Brady

@mr.b5663

6 жыл бұрын

agreed man, back when they were still believing they would make another apf they said the offensive linemen play will be address. Tricky thing about programming a beast o-linemen is a fine line if you make them too op game turns into Madden 05 or 2k3 where you really couldn't get off a block for shit on defense. I agree though if you spend money on a line offense should get easier. But 2k did have its problems but the offensive line looks way more organic then madden. Madden the o-line doesn't even kicksteps on passing situations for godsakes

@mlbog

6 жыл бұрын

I can agree with this for offensive lineman. I've always found star D line to be great though when I user them. Setting Dexter Manley off the edge is absolutely lethal when it comes to stopping the run.

@NYG5

6 жыл бұрын

My problem with star linemen is they will have some plays where they destroy their opposition, but then have plays where they get defeated by generics. Now this is fine on it's own, but it's a problem when this same mechanic isn't replicated across the board. When do you ever see Night Train Lane get blown up by a generic receiver? When does Jerry Rice get blanketed by a generic corner? When does a generic RB truck Dick Butkus? Maybe once every 10 games, and it's usually because of novel positioning. And yes, the blocking AI was a bit bad comoared to 2k5, and I was annoyed that back then you couldn't hot route a double team on a star defender, and that you still can't in Madden. APF is still super fun to play, and had a blast playing a few games recently after not touching it for years, but the inconsistent line play and the money pass plays (fades, out patterns) still bother me a ton. These problems didn't exist in 2k5, the only problem with 2k5 is the CPU playcalling and passing.

I thought this was a real game until the play was over

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

It's strange that you were one of several people who thought that.

I’m getting pissed at madden because when I or my opponent makes a juke, spin move, truck, or stiff arm sometimes the runner can’t be contacted by defensive players for a period of time. There is no such thing as gang tackle. It is so annoying to have 3 players rush the runner at the same time then for him to truck one of the 3 players and the other 2 tacklers aren’t even able to make contact with him.

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

I've done a video on this before the lack of gang tackles is astonishing.

Good points, nice breakdown

I thought about getting this game back in the day I may have to now lol

The NFL needs to expand their license to 2k as well!

I actually thought this game was real!

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

Show many people thought that it's almost comical of this point.

I think people forget you can assign blockers on madden 18.

See why cant madden be like this?

I'm not a Madden player but ur vids are very entertaining. But this is pretty much a NBA live vs NBA 2k. They are different because of what they own rights too. Madden/2k gives u great graphics apf/live gives u great commentary and realistic animations. This is why when looking at 2 different games that are the same sport it has noticeably different things each does better than the other.

The only flaw is the rolb is taken our of the play with a glitch...he reads that its an inside run only to flow outside and then try to peruse after the rb was behind him

Hey Mr. Shutdown safety. You should do a video on how the team ratings such as offense defense and special teams don’t mean anything but a number. The Rams are rated a 89 offense but literally the only offensive players ranked with an 80 or higher on the offense on the game is Gurley and Whitworth. So how are they an 89 overall offense but the majority of people are rated in the 70’s?

I thought it was real life till about 30 seconds in

I wish 2k would drop a new football game for pc that would allow it to be heavily modded

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

Join the club!

Every block is not held on every play. EA bosts that if it's in the game it's in the game. No game will you watch on no play will every block be held.

Lol this game had the 3/4s arm sleeve back in 07. It took madden 10 more fucking years to add that

I love how bashing madden 18 has turned into a trend 😂

Today is the day I've given up on madden after playing since 2001. These animations and game scripting SUCK

Game looks and play so real wow looks like fun not like that peace of crap madden I wish I could sue EA for stress and for ruining the day I'm not even joking

2k look like they tryna take over all sports games

Lol wish they had a same sport competitor like 2k has nba live fifa has pes, the alternate to madden would probably be better

Ryan I don’t want to sound sarcastic when I ask this question, I’m being serious. If you have all these suggestions and criticisms for madden (which I all agree with), plus you know Rex, why don’t you work with EA to Make the game. I think if your suggestions were put into a game, the product would be much better

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

One, they are hours away in FL. Secondly, they are an entry level company, with entry level pay. I could not start there making what I do now. 15 years ago I'd have jumped at the chance but way to much going on now.

@dylanfiggs7969

6 жыл бұрын

RyanMoody21 but since you know Rex, couldn’t he put you in some like, higher position 😂

@dnice2000

6 жыл бұрын

Dylan Figgs That's not how it works, I know a ton of business managers/ owners.... doesn't mean i can be ceo of a company they work with or for.

@yahsoulja2291

6 жыл бұрын

Dylan Figgs: I agree, go to ea sports and work with them. I grew up on Madden and I'm disgusted

RyanMoody21 you can take any clips in my videos I posted showing APF for comparson or breakdowns if you want. I think there is some really good ones in there, don't need any mention, just want people to see what was possible with APF 2k8

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, will keep you in mind. Appreciate that.

This game looks like a real game

Going back a few video's about maddens details on the banner hanging in lucas...why is madden the only sports game now that has fake advertising in the stadiums?? Every other sport's game has real advertisements. Just another detail I've noticed like you were talking about.

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

Well comes to selling advertising and marketing, Axis and CFL both work to secure true life in game advertisers.

@aspaceproductions

6 жыл бұрын

Haha honestly I wish more games would have fake advertising. Since when are people pro shitty product placements lol?

0:38 Big HOMERUN play

RyanMoody21 is this 2k8 ? I have been playing football since Joe Montana football I agree 2k5 was the best game made and 2k8 is good as well .My question to you is ,do you have a relationship with 2k or do you know anyone who does ,because I believe if they would just listen to ppl who loved the game and who have played with cleats on the ground and has been play the console football for over then 20 years ,they would want to hear what we have to say even if it was just a football platform ...please respond.

@franksnydet7835

5 жыл бұрын

I thought about and my first simulated football was techmo bowl lol been playing a long time this my hobbies

Yes that looks way better that madden 18

2K Sports was so FAR ahead of EA... Not just cause of Detail and Graphics

If wishes was fishes

Can't wait to start doing my videos ..... kinda videos I'm trying to replicate 👍

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

Let me know when you do, be glad to give you some support

@arich151

6 жыл бұрын

Will do .... def would be cool af lol

@Cor-ds1du

6 жыл бұрын

Best wishes. I'll check it out too.

How can i join this league? I have apf2k8 on ps3

Why doesn’t 2k have real nfl leagues they would out sell them quickly

Who are the creators of this Canadian football game and where can I buy it and is it available for PlayStation 3

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

Canuck Play. XBOX ONE, Steam....coming to PS4.

Bro I thought this was a real game😂

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

You and so many others.

Correction - Madden 18 should play better din dis

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

Baby steps...gotta get to that level before they go past it.

@humblebeast0041

6 жыл бұрын

Wtf is a din nigga?

NYKIA Smitty or simFAKEball disliked the video.

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

They are all on TSS Radio with Rex tonite. Zero chance they are plugging my channel.

@putteminthegame

6 жыл бұрын

yep

@samamtachina1493

6 жыл бұрын

pasGedden 7

Irrelevant, but why is the defense in the dollar formation? No wonder they gave up 11 yards.

Exactly the realism isn't there my question who is it that we tweet or voice too when we have proof cause I do not kno the community manager all I see @eahelp lol

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

Community member...nobody from EA.

Dang what game is this? I need it.

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

All Pro Football 2k8

All Madden simulation is realistic

Look so nice

Is this all pro 2k8? Curious about this never played it?

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

Yes it is Jarrett.

@ncaagaming2473

6 жыл бұрын

RyanMoody21 I’m gonna try to pick this up thanks

Is that MEXICO vs Chicago?

Cuz I don't even know what it's called but it looks much better than Madden

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

All Pro Football 2k8

what game is that?

@jasonfisher6141

6 жыл бұрын

Dray Beltran All Pro 2k8

THIS GAME LOOKS SUPERB!!!

How can I get this game on PC? I've searched with no luck.

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

This is a PS3 / XBox Release.

Wish this wasn't PC only

Game would be boring as watching shit drop out of a dog when the O-line always would block perfectly. What you gonna do as the opponent?

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

That's not "perfect" blocking, that's holding a block something Madden fails to do.

@OompaL0ompa

6 жыл бұрын

RyanMoody21 i know what you mean,but i would really like this kind of gameplay in singleplayer but not in head to head.or maybe i just cant imagine a good blocking alghorythm for head to head gameplay.

what's this game please. 2k? but it looks very recent.

@RyanMoody21

6 жыл бұрын

All Pro Football 2k8

Or holding blocks...that’s another one

Which game is this?

Look real af

Tackling is non existent in this game

Nice

i dont see nothing wrong with madden its straight to me it might glitch sometimes but what game doesnt

All never heard of this game what system?

2k has always been better