Fun fact: This lecture was entirely improvised. The person who was supposed to give the lecture had an episode moments before going on stage and Dr. Sugrue filled in for him at the last second. He brought a blank piece of paper with him on stage to make the audience think he wasn't just making it up. This story was told on the Idea Store podcast Q&A part 3.

@michaelpattiani7230

2 жыл бұрын

That’s amazing, good for all is listening 😮❤. I smile every time a new episode comes out.

@tomasroque3338

2 жыл бұрын

Improvised*

@robinsarchiz

2 жыл бұрын

An episode?

@tomasroque3338

2 жыл бұрын

@@robinsarchiz Episode noun: episode; plural noun: episodes 1 - an event or a group of events occurring as part of a sequence; an incident or period considered in isolation. "the whole episode has been a major embarrassment" 2 - a finite period in which someone is affected by a specified illness. "acute psychotic episodes"

@stevemartinez1360

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomasroque3338 sir, I encourage you to rethink your purpose.

Hands down the best philosophy content on whole KZread.

@sirliridon.4419

2 жыл бұрын

Rick Roderick too

@ethansadberry6069

Жыл бұрын

Yes fr

@dr.bilalnazir

Жыл бұрын

Check the lectures of Dr. Arthur Holmes

@Ybby999

Жыл бұрын

@@huzi46 not really philosophy, he talks about MMA a lot and also he's against homosexuals.

@huzi46

Жыл бұрын

@@Ybby999 you Clearly haven’t watched most of his content lmao, and no he doesn’t hate on Homosexuals. Only says to leave the kids out of it.

Dr. Michael Sugrue is Professor of History at Ave Maria University. A graduate of the Great Books Program, he earned his B.A. in History from the University of Chicago and his M.A., M.Phil., and Ph.D. in History from Columbia University. Prior to taking his position at Ave Maria University, Professor Sugrue taught at Princeton University, the City College of New York, Columbia University, Manhattan College, New York University, Hampton University, and Touro College. He served as the Mellon Postdoctoral Fellow at Johns Hopkins University from 1992 to 1994. Professor Sugrue was awarded the Chamberlain Fellowship, the President's Fellowship, the John Jay Fellowship, and the Meyer Padva Prize.

@GODHATESADOPTION

Ай бұрын

Hope he knows the books based on pope sixtus...

Nothing more badass than lecturing for 42 minutes 50 seconds on how to be a villain, calling it "Machiavelli" and dropping it on youtube without further comment.

@Supermoneygang12

Жыл бұрын

You know this is like 40 years old right

@YABUKIJOE2077

Жыл бұрын

@@Supermoneygang12 it’s an old video. Good observation

@user-hu3iy9gz5j

11 ай бұрын

Can’t be a villain if you wield power

@eman85mph

3 ай бұрын

Tell that to the cosmic spectrum 🎚 ​@@user-hu3iy9gz5j

@mike_theskinny8646

Ай бұрын

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These lectures are honestly the best philosophy content on youtube.

@Bear-ow9gy

Жыл бұрын

"like anybody could even know that - Kip Dynamite

@dompishen

Жыл бұрын

@@Bear-ow9gy You´ll come around.

Michael, I started watching your lectures 3yrs ago… I’m 34 and entered college last spring. your lectures hatched something in my soul. Now I’m majoring in political science, and minoring in philosophy.

@-Magnetized

2 ай бұрын

How’s it going?

@iwanttodie7199

Ай бұрын

college at 34? wow

@-Magnetized

Ай бұрын

@@iwanttodie7199 ^imagine being this guy. It’s not his fault you gave up on yourself

@iwanttodie7199

Ай бұрын

@@-Magnetized we clear college at 18, unis at 22 so yeah nah bud.

@-Magnetized

Ай бұрын

@@iwanttodie7199 your YT profile name is “iwanttod!e”. Like I said before, it’s not his fault your life sucks and you gave up on yourself.

RIP Dr. Sugrue…. You provided us with hours upon hours of fascinating lectures & made our lives much more interesting…. A great man.

@clubx1000

26 күн бұрын

Sad to hear sad to hear sad to hear

Strangely, it was the news of this mans passing that made me click on one of his lectures just out of curiosity and ive been non stop listening since. So a post-mortem thank you sir

I am in awe of the detail, richness, context, clarity, urgency and relevance conveyed by this lecturer from his own memory apparently impromptu. An inspiring introductory lecture to Machiavelli. Regardless of his ultimate personal views, this professor really knows his subject matter.

Teaching is an art. What a brilliant teacher. 👏

Wooow, the most fascinating talk I’ve ever heard. This guy is absolutely brilliant to give this off the top of his head

@iceswallow7717

Жыл бұрын

0:47 to understand American mentality

@LordVader1094

10 ай бұрын

​@@iceswallow7717That's people in any country

Great teacher..he explains the philosophy with so much interest and in simple terms that it is never boring...really a genius.

@SwitzerlandEducation4471

Жыл бұрын

Just follow me for education purpose

@Bear-ow9gy

Жыл бұрын

​@@SwitzerlandEducation4471 learn to write properly first.

@SwitzerlandEducation4471

Жыл бұрын

@@Bear-ow9gy sorry how you teach me?

@johnmanole4779

Жыл бұрын

​@@SwitzerlandEducation4471 you high my guy? 😂

@jool5941

11 ай бұрын

@grandmasterkhaan5661 me learn good Brain go big

I was waiting for him to say "Mr. Anderson" the whole time. Gave me matrix vibes. Absolutely loved this lecture/talk whatever you wanna call it. Pure awesomeness

@nobodynobody4389

Жыл бұрын

Good observation made me chuckle

@jool5941

11 ай бұрын

Agent Smith would’ve been a huge fan of Machiavelli.

I read the Prince as a teenager, really cool as a mature man to hear this again. Human nature is like a bag of snakes , not all are poisonous most are!!

@SamServ-ht4re

Жыл бұрын

This is a great quote ima use “human nature is like a bag of snakes not all are poisonous most are “

@TheOceanBearer

Жыл бұрын

I think human nature is more like a magic box in which you never know what will come out when you open it. Sometimes poisonous snakes, sometimes apes in heat, sometimes parents arguing fervently and stubbornly, sometimes someone giving their life to save a complete stranger's, sometimes unnameable and alien yet closer and more familiar than home. Human nature is a kind of bestial magic. Once you think you have made sense of it, it will throw you for another loop.

@Bear-ow9gy

Жыл бұрын

​@@SamServ-ht4re this is a great quote I'ma use "this is a great quote I'ma use human nature is like a bag"

@erikdegby4652

Жыл бұрын

It's really No such thing as Human nature, everything is learned behavior.

@yellowquantum4240

Жыл бұрын

@@erikdegby4652 betrayal, hate, abandonment human nature. Love , and love again no matter what ...human.

Had really wanted a lecture on Machiavelli for so long. Thank you for this!

I've been looking forward to this. Thanks Dr Sugrue.

I love these lectures, thank you

Just from the title and thumbnail alone I can already tell that this is going to be the lecture of all lectures

I’ve been waiting for this one! These lectures are always appreciated

I normally enjoy Dr. Sugrue's lectures, but this one was clearly a surface-level examination of Machiavelli. While "The Prince" is everything Sugrue said it is, the author was anything BUT a "prince" as he depicted it. Machiavelli wrote poetry and screenplays. The height of his political career was a foreign emissary-type post that let Machiavelli travel across Italy and Europe. He also didn't retire; he was exiled after being tortured by the faction that ousted the Medici for a time. And most damning to the lecture's assertion is the fact that Machiavelli was a great fan of the republican form of government. Even in "The Prince", Machiavelli says that tyranny is only a stepping stone to a better system. And nowhere in "The Prince" does Machiavelli assert that EVERYONE should act like a tyrant.

@OmnomnomPancake

2 жыл бұрын

Exile is forced retirement, no?

@Nikkola.369

2 жыл бұрын

From what I've learned the book wasn't even popular until after Machiavelli's death. Dr. Sugrue's analysis on this book does seem 101 for people who don't know anything about the book, nonetheless he's an excellent speaker!!

@opiliones4202

2 жыл бұрын

@@OmnomnomPancake machiavelli continued to write and create after his exile tho

@dwl3006

2 жыл бұрын

I am pretty sure that Machiavelli was tortured by the Medicis not the Florentines.

@evgeniptolemy5570

2 жыл бұрын

The surface level analysis of this subject is due to the fact the scheduled speaker had an episode of some sort and Dr. Sugrue filled in last minute. Still enjoyable.

Thank you, sir. always

have always been curious about Machiavelli's work, this was an incredible dive into these ideas

The Prince must be one of the oldest books I've read. I read it for no other reason than because I'd heard the author mentioned a great deal and I thought it was worth looking at. It seemed like pretty straightforward and fairly accurate description of power and its consequences. I've come to think that many people think of it as some kind of instruction manual, and I guess it is in a way, whether it is descriptive or prescriptive is one's own choice. Knowledge will only accentuate your existing character. It is only dangerous to a dangerous person, either in their hands or in the hands of those who haven't caught on to them

@Bear-ow9gy

Жыл бұрын

Boring!

@WesleyNiman

10 ай бұрын

Character is defined by one's own thoughts and habits. I believe you are referring to personality. Which still doesn't define one's destiny. You must not exclude the impact of personal choice.. for it shapes your destiny.

@harrireyes1459

10 ай бұрын

This bozo is a liberal idiot.

@MaxwellJWhite

10 ай бұрын

machiavelli was not evil at all... he simply studied those in power and noted which tactics worked or didnt work

@Eisenwulf666

9 ай бұрын

​@@MaxwellJWhiteThis. People nowadays can't differentiate between an author and his works apparently. He was an experienced politician and a passionate reader of history books. He analyzed the situation in Italy at the time and wrote an instruction manual of sorts, meant for the young Medici. He recognized that Italy was divided in many little states, sometimes even city states, that had little armies or even employed mercenaries. He knew that they wouldn't stand a chance against France, the HRE or even the Ottomans, which were great nations with many resources and a state army. Diplomacy and morals are all nice and cute, but the wolves are at the gates waiting.

Just brilliant, thank you.

This lecturer is so bright and so thorough. 😮

Thank you so much for these videos Professor. You enrich our lives.

I owe Machiavelli alot. I read the Prince when I was 19 and it woke me up to all the political corruption and manipulation of our modern world. It changed me from a leninist socialist to a free thinking human being

@adriansamsonhiluf7653

Жыл бұрын

Just leave it at ''political corruption and manipulation.'' There nothing old or modern about it. watch enough geopolitical documentaries enough and the patterns emerge. its 3:13 am over here and i cant help but wonder what Machiavelli was doing 500yrs ago on this day.

@khalilfuller4939

Жыл бұрын

Haha, I believe I was 20 when my eyes awaken as well 🤞🏽 (how does it feel to join the grey side)

@mr.mintman7545

Жыл бұрын

Capitalist corruption and manipulation lol... socialist parties have no power in the west

@vaughncollins1386

Жыл бұрын

I’m 20 and just read it! Yes I totally agree, idealism unfortunately can be easily corrupted by pragmatic and utilitarian people, after reading it I realized no ideology is immune from Machiavellian types. Unfortunately corruption will be a perpetual political problem and the importance doesn’t lie on a political spectrum but in taming corruption.

@grantshearer5615

Жыл бұрын

@@vaughncollins1386 another tip is that the Bible holds the true religion. While there is plenty of evidence, the 1260 year reign of the popes is one of the biggest pieces imo.

I have learned so much from several of his talks, but this one is the one that just makes me giggle whenever I think of it. Evil genius.

The occasional sound of thunder in the background adds to the atmosphere of such a topic. As a somewhat bored office worker chained to my desk, these lectures are wonderful.

Excellent thinker, telling it how it is not how it ought to be. Fantastic lecture, cheers.

I loved reading The Prince at university. Much better than anything else on the reading list.

i've been waiting for this!!!!!!!! I'm so excited!!!

thank you for uploading this

This man makes Philosophy edible. Any time i sit to listen to his lectures, it's like mealtime. The appetite to eat the intellectual food he serves is so deep. Thanks for being a teacher.

Thank you for your work and contributions

Dr. Sugrue is spoiling us

When you thought there were no more lectures

@chaosdweller

Жыл бұрын

🤔............ haha! (telling myself my own inside jokes again that I normally do on YT that I don't always explain I'm doing like here that may not have anything to do with u haha).

Michael, if you’re reading this I just want you to know that your presentation here and this video have impacted me so much and helped me grow out of a lot of bad habits that were instilled in me when I was young . You’ve been a great role model in my adult life and I think about your words, your invaluable insights and your lectures almost every day ❤ Thank you again

incredible lecture, thank you for upload

Unbelievably great thanks 🙏

Another new (old) one! Saved in my playlist. On Saturday morning I will take a coffee and sit in the garden to listen to Sugrue, looking forward, thank you!

Great lecture about 2Pac, thanks❤️

@tshepomosia7129

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@FishyBlobbing

Жыл бұрын

makaveli up this bitch ;D

@frankiegunnz8066

Жыл бұрын

No no, 2pac wanted to be him. 😋

@MAGHANDI3265

Жыл бұрын

😂

@thato4639

Жыл бұрын

​@@frankiegunnz8066 he just used his story( about faking death) as a concept creatively also with jesus, clever

Thank you Dr Sugrue

Thank you for sharing. This was so digestible.

This man's handle on the English language is intimidating. He speaks so effortlessly, it's aaaaaaaMAZING

@eman85mph

3 ай бұрын

Easier to listen to and grasp than even Alan Watts 👂 ❤

I love these lectures!

RIP DR. Torn by this news . Thank you for your beautiful contributions . May you rest in paradise.

كمية كبيرة من المعلومات حصلت عليها بعد إنتهائي من مشاهدة هذه المحاضرة شكرا أستاذ 👏👏

I've been salivating waiting for this lecture.

@chaosdweller

Жыл бұрын

LMAO !

More gems and knowledge. Thank you sir.

Thank you , seriously he teaches so well.

@tubthump

10 ай бұрын

He walks around too much

Ive been waiting for this one

Ugh. These lectures are changing my life. Can’t thank you enough for sharing your knowledge with the world.

oh my god I was searching for lectures from Dr Sugrue about Machiavelli, this is great!

Absolutely precise and easy to understand! This lecture has given much more wider perspective to my study. Thanks for the wonderful lecture🎉♥️

Discovered Dr Michael Sugrue's content way too late. Incredible.

8:50 worked for medeci family 1:40 Attainment of political power 4:20 Justice is from coercion. 6:24 Donald Trump - Art of the Deal 7:00 Religious morality 7:50 Joseph Stalin's favourite book 9:30 10:20 Medici prince flattery 11:10 Love is nice but fear is predictable 13:20 Wolf 17:30 The Lion and the fox 18:50 Military head over town 29:00 Freud 33:00 Rulers and people like sheep herders and sheep 33:30 Odysseus 35:30 Plato's cave 36:45 Those who have not sinned cast first stone

If this was anyone else, the quality would be an issue. Sugrue… grabbing my popcorn.

He was FABULOUS. Wonderful thinker and speaker. Broad mind. Great listening.Time flew.

@wicomms

5 ай бұрын

Was? IS!

This was so good, that I had to rewinded to watch it again.

What a great speaker 🙏

What a video, even more impressive when you learn that this was improvised. It takes a deep understanding to be able to coherently and informatively speak on a topic for near an hour.

these retro lectures are better than anything on the internet today

RIP Legendary lecturer

Half way into this, and wow! What an insightful and elucidating lecture so far. Bravo.

This fella doesn't get Italy in the middle ages. Machiavelli cast a cold, detached eye on human nature. Everything he describes informs out reality today. Machiavelli isn't evil, he's unapologetically analytical and honest.

@user-hu3iy9gz5j

11 ай бұрын

Yes, an honest work such as The Prince must be countered with relevant arguments on basis of power and realism, not run-of-the-mill moralism

@jool5941

11 ай бұрын

Yes. He speaks like politicians used to be good when they had their religion to dictate morals but he fails to acknowledge all of the horrible atrocities committed in the name of religion.

@jool5941

11 ай бұрын

I still admire his view point though. It was a very interesting lecture.

@user-hu3iy9gz5j

11 ай бұрын

It is fair if you want to criticize Machiavelli on a moral basis for his lack of moral considerations, but since the Prince is ultimately about realistically maintaining power you must extend your analysis further than that

Hands down the best form of articulation i have ever seen. Me who struggles to watch a 10min youtube video just watched this 40min video with full attention. Loved the way you just explained everything ❤

When those violins hit you better be ready to kneel. Sugrue on Machiavelli! This one is going to be glorious

I disagree with sugrue’s view on machiavelli here. The prince does not appear to promote iniquity. It simply addresses the fact that it is not always possible to do what is good as doing so can lead to your (and your states) downfall. Machiavelli doesn’t choose fear over love. He choses both. However he acknowledges that in a conflict of interest between the two then fear is a more reliable option. That doesn’t make it right or more preferable. All of these lessons in the prince are to be employed to increase the quality of life of the populous. Machiavelli was writing in a time when weak leadership resulted in Italy’s integrity, faith and culture being up for sale to the highest bidder. Italy had become somewhat of a concubine due to hedonisitic men in power. the prince outlines the way to overthrow these men at their own game. However this is just my opinion so perhaps i am a fool.

@mihaidinul

11 ай бұрын

You are many things I’m sure, but a fool is not one of them

@ei7565

11 ай бұрын

I think there is a deeper idea here to Sugrue. The big takeaway, Machiavelli is deriving actions, not from any kind of metaphysical direction (religion, spirituality) and was coomon for the day, rather the best action is the one that yields the biggest advance of power in the here and now. Yes, it is not always possible to do what is good, if that "good" does not advance your standing as much as fear could. Notice the way Machiavelli rationalizes decisions, and that is what Sugrue is getting at here. This is the shift away from actions being determined from metaphysical codes and instead toward systems of men/science.

@user-hu3iy9gz5j

11 ай бұрын

The premise of The Prince is quite simply how to keep power when in power, and reading it in those terms will prove more fruitful than to read it as a system of ethics or a series of arbitrary value judgements. It’s a work of realism (how power actually operates) and not moralism (how power ought to operate)

@ANON1NE

11 ай бұрын

@@user-hu3iy9gz5j I would argue that it is about acquiring and overthrowing power in an already corrupt system, but not keeping power. As it holds the abdication of categorical imperatives (morals and virtue) when necessary at its core. Doing so can lead to short term gains but weaken the state as a whole. I.e. the cloak and dagger of an ally may enable you to retain power but sets a precedent that betrayal is acceptable. Thus the whole system and state becomes machiavellian as those who are not are killed/ removed from positions of power. Thus if individuals cannot trust one another then cooperation is no longer possible and the state divides and crumbles. Division to pestilence to war to famine to death. The prince outlines how to play the game so that you can change the game. Cut throats on the way up then destroy rebuild and replace the existing system when ontop. Of course this will lead to sacrifice but thats what a sonum bonum is most Of the time. Again just my opinion.

@Pdrock2001

7 ай бұрын

A remarkable analysis 👏 of Machaivelli . For all the evil characteristics associated with him , one cannot deny the sheer brilliance with which he explained the connection between your Shadow and the collective political shadow coexisting together in the grander scheme of power and politics . Machiavelli is a necessary evil one which needs to be assessed and learned if one wants to escape tyranny or rise above it .

Thanks very much for this.

Great speaker - such an easy listen 👍

One of the more important points made in the book that was not commented on in the video lecture is the control of fortune. Fortune, meaning chance, is something known since the ancients as limiting on what the good citizen and the good regime are. By chance, you are either born in a time where you can be both a good citizen and a good person (by way of being born into the good regime), or not. For Machiavelli, he notes that by chance, he was not born into an opportunity where he could ascend to political power, nor would his ideas take root. Think of the messenger from Nietzsche's thought, who came preaching into the town square, only to be laughed at and realize that he had been sent by fortune too early. So Machiavelli instead proposes that fortune, as impactful as it is in politics, should be limited and controlled by man, beaten into submission. This way, every regime would be the "good" regime. This very notion was put into practice by Modernism, where the goal of establishing a utopia, a heaven on earth, and removing chance from the equation by lowering the basis of the regime away from metaphysics and the good, something high, became the project. For this reason, I would disagree ever so slightly with Dr. Sugrue about Machiavelli's view of nature. Regarding human nature, there is no disagreement; but nature writ large, Machiavelli wanted to control it. Thus, we have the Enlightenment, and science becomes the ultimate tool of controlling nature, and politics the satisfaction of the most basic of human desires

@camorinbatchelder6514

2 жыл бұрын

I would say Machiavelli is domain-specific. He wasn’t a philosopher of human nature writ large, but rather human behavior in the political, existential realm.

@andrewbowen2837

2 жыл бұрын

@@camorinbatchelder6514 I see what you mean, but back then, I don't think the two were differentiated. Hobbes, Locke, and Rousseau all used human nature as their baseline to make political assessments

@camorinbatchelder6514

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewbowen2837 I haven’t read “Leviathan”, the “Treaties”, etc. that closely, so I can’t comment on them. Machiavelli wasn’t as philosophical as Sugrue makes him out to be. He simply looked at political behavior as it was, not how it should be.

@andrewbowen2837

2 жыл бұрын

@@camorinbatchelder6514 Dr. Sugrue doesn't really get into the details of the book unfortunately. He pretty much claims that it is horrible and would have dire consequences if implemented. That being said, I think there is a good bit of both "is" and "ought" in politics being described. Machiavelli notes that Italy is in a bad place, and he thinks the most successful leader should model themselves after the actions of Cesare Borgia, and not like some of those who caved in to the church and moral sentiments. At the least he thought that Italy was in need of what he viewed to be a clever and unrelenting leader, with good examples from history (thus in some regard detailing how politics are/were), and he didn't think the younger Lorenzo Medici was capable

@camorinbatchelder6514

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewbowen2837 Machiavelli certainly had a vision, I agree.

Thank you & Happy MayDay

Awed by Dr surgrue's brilliance.

Thankyu. Gonna follow yu .. a true educator .. entertains and informs .. yu do both

Michael Sugrue is a top top lecturer - knows the material without referring to notes. Top class! Chapeau!

@arjunabeuger

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, his depiction of Machiavelli’s character isn’t accurate at all. Supposedly, Machiavelli wasn’t this bloodthirsty, powerhungry “wolf”, as he is characterized by Sugrue. Good lecturer with a poor understanding of Machiavelli. But since it was improvised, I’d cut him some slack.

Ahh the famous lecture - Sugrue ad-libbed it on the spot when the prof who was supposed to present suffered from stage fright.

@MichaelMorenoPhilosophy

Жыл бұрын

Source?

@ultimusromanorum

Жыл бұрын

And misinformed the audience, yeah. What a clown this guy Sugrue is.

@malachickisawesome

8 ай бұрын

@@ultimusromanorumget his ass

@malachiwarner5699

Ай бұрын

​@@ultimusromanorumWhat did he get wrong?

Great ! Like it so much Full wisdom and realistic content!

Dope lecture, thanks for uploading!

I'm very proud of you. Hopefully that means something. 😘

This lecture has some flaws. Macchiavelli was not thrown out with the Medicis but by the Medicis who had tortured him as a suspect of treason and kept him under "house arrest" in the countryside of Florence.. Machiavelli was in fact a devout republican and not really in favour of autocrats. Yet he was an ambitious man who wanted to get back into civil service of Florence. That's why he wrote "The prince" (the title of the booklet not given by him) as a means to endeare the Medici ruler which did not work. This book is not a manual of how to aquire power but how to keep staying in power. Machiavelli is a realist and as not a high meaning of humans. He explicitely says that he does not write how things should be but what things actually are. One might be less pessimistic as him. But he has history on his side.

@OakleafOrganic

7 ай бұрын

Liberals have a hard time digesting such a analysis.

Amazing content. Worth watching despite the sound/image quality!

That was an amazing lecture 👏

This is Human Art! Thank you for teaching Me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amazing lectures!

@chaosdweller

Жыл бұрын

Which one are u this time ....? haha.

@chaosdweller

Жыл бұрын

Oh yes indeed btw.

Thank You!

We love you Mr. Sugrue.

This is a somewhat cartoonish description of Machiavelli. Even on a lone reading of the Prince, Machiavelli comes off as a witty proto-utilitarian and moderate nationalist, not as an amoral political climber. I am not quite in the camp that interprets The Prince as entirely sarcastic, but Machiavelli definitely has a dry and occasionally hyperbolic sense of humor. I have read all of Machi’s Art of War, the Prince, and about a third of the Discourses on Livy, and he was more concerned with the common good even in The Prince than most give him credit for. Painting this caricature of him is a mild to moderate disservice to The Prince, and a major disservice Machiavelli himself.

@user-hu3iy9gz5j

11 ай бұрын

The role of The Prince and the expanded Machiavellian worldview is in outlining a realist view of power and pragmatism in regards to political governance. The important insight is that the powerful are guardians of their own authority, and directly responsible in case of their downfall

in my youth i was interested in science 2 decades later im exploring philosophy

Thank you !

FANTASTIC Lecture!

If you're interested in Machiavelli, you need to read James Burnham's "The Machiavellians." Very interesting, more recent historical significance. Burnham spends the first half of the book on a history lesson of the time of Machiavelli here, Sugrue mentions a lot of it in passing, but it's more significant than he lets on. The Holy Roman Empire first and foremost, among other rivals like France and the Ottoman Empire, was growing very powerful. And while these rivals were organizing, Italy's city states were indeed frail and floundering, mostly making metaphysical and classical arguments for why the aristocracy should rule, and flattering each other, and going to wars over petty things, and their people generally growing to resent their aristocracy. The Prince was really written to these people to say, quit fucking around, one of you has to rise up and be serious, or else the we'll all be speaking German. Here's the brass tacks practical manual for collecting power, and defending Italy from her neighbors. The second half of Burnham's book explains that that is an accurate and useful manual in a world of monarchist governments. In the late 1800s, as democracies had become popular, and the Industrial Revolution was causing lots of upheaval in the way societies looked at the nature of work, labor, relations to capital and corporations, relations to government, and toying with the ideas of Marxism, there were four Italian political philosophers, who all tried to take Machiavelli's spirit, and apply it to democratic environments. They asked, what is necessary to gather power in a democratic environment? Not, how do you game your royal rivals, but, how do your game your populace writ large and convince them to vote for you? How do you maintain long term democratic power? These were the people who laid the groundwork for Mussolini to pick up and form fascism. They were read by the early Soviets to establish Communism in Russia. In the 1940s, Burnham was writing to an American audience to understand the roots of totalitarianism, and how it was achieved through democracy, specifically by the use of mass media messaging, control of information, and corruption of journalism. Burnham was sounding the alarm on fake news in the 1940s and his book is still very relevant today.

@RealAmericanStar

7 ай бұрын

Thank you for your informative comment. 👍

@benjamingarland9931

6 ай бұрын

Great book.

Excellent, thank you Dr. Sugrue for sharing this dissection of the Machiavellian world view :]

Beautifully said

Brilliant lecture..thank you

He wins us all over. wish someone could find the lectures on Strauss and Moliere (1998 and 1993, respectively) by this wonderful man! ---and upload the two

@chaosdweller

Жыл бұрын

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@finnmacdiarmid3250

Жыл бұрын

I hope someone named Sugrue reads this. We demand the entire archive!!!!

@chaosdweller

Жыл бұрын

@@finnmacdiarmid3250 right we need total! coverage.

I hope there are more of Dr Sugrue's lectures in depth. Its amazing to listen to him. Wish my lecturers were as good and able to capture attention like him..

Thank you.

Incredible mind. Pls keep Up the good job.

I really enjoyed this lecture. It is up my ally. I once woke up to Machiavelli at 4am in the morning staring right at me from the book the prince which I borrowed from the Library. Till this day it's imprinted in my memory and my intuition tells me he wanted to learn from a Queen thinking back. It's my first time coming across a lecture from Dr Michael Surge. I think he is extremely talented and makes me feel confident in his teachings by the way he speaks, the choices of words he uses, his pace and his deliverance was impeccable. Overall Machiavelli taught people how to be a practical good-bad man. And I leave with this quote "God is man, and man is beast so god is man within a beast" - Hellenic Republican Queen.