What's this? Two Balkan countries disagreeing with one another? I for one am shocked!

@Fassislau

6 жыл бұрын

I LOLED at this comment ! :D

@panosa2502

6 жыл бұрын

+Kagemusha08 ... yes because Britain, France an Germany agreed on all things and exchanged flowers all these years. If it wasn't for Americans, idiots, you would still kill each other.

@googlespieonsomeoneelse4898

6 жыл бұрын

Panos A You've got to admit though that Balkan countries having fights over petty bullshit is a thing that occurs pretty regularly.

@panosa2502

6 жыл бұрын

+Google Spie On Someone Else True. But only for one major reason which is revealed by the fact that there is not a single such issue in which you won't find the usual suspects deeply involved if not at the root cause of the issue (Britain, Germany, Russia, France, Italy, Austria and post-WWII USA and recently China). Had it not been for these outside "great powers" the region would had settled down centuries ago (i.e. Greeks would had liberated the land by 1770 at latest, 3 major nations would exist : Greeks, Bulgarians and Serbians). Western European countries have long invested in the region's instability and that is what they do right now. Remember the Yugpslav wars? They were backing up Alija Izetbecovic who was one of the first modern Jihadists. This is no joke, no exagerration just seek and find what this man was writing back in the late 60s and 70s. When they back jihadists (like they do in Syria), when they construct fake nations and back them against the sovereign nations of the region, what do you expect? Stability? What is the economy of Germany? 3-4 trillion euros? With 500 billion (100 billion only to bribe local politicians) you can easily make Bavaria break off with a big bang and a couple of million of dead. You can do it even more easily if you pay Czechs to pretend being the true Bavarians!

@gelisgeo1309

6 жыл бұрын

Kagemusha08 exactly they stolen Greek name and history...

Short version: Greece: copyright strike

@user-tx3yh8pu6j

4 жыл бұрын

Nahh , grece is Macedonian

@comingafteryou5352

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-tx3yh8pu6j Greece isn't only Macedonia but Attica, Peloponnese and other Greek regions 😉

@bobantheighty6141

4 жыл бұрын

Macedonian Empire from the antiquity and Macedonia in nowadays are two completely different things! The first one is a Macedonia of Alexander The Great and the second one, the nowadays MACEDONIA, a region divided between 3 countries now, was predominantly populated by Slavic Macedonians also known as Bulgarians from Macedonian region!

@andrej1551

4 жыл бұрын

Oh fuck off

@Sekachot

4 жыл бұрын

When we was here, your nation was not even behind the Karpats, and the bulgarians was not even in Mongolia so... You just talk trash.

legends say that saying "Macedonia is a country" 3 times in front of a mirror could make an angry Greek appear

@milanfras4934

3 жыл бұрын

ahahahaha

@jedibjj5488

3 жыл бұрын

Or angry truth seeker!

@loyalbeaver9402

3 жыл бұрын

Greece has no problem with Macedonia being a country. If Alexander the Great was not the King of Macedonia, which country's king he was? The absurdity is Macedonia being a slavic country. (The very image of Alexander the Great talking in Slavic to his mentor Aristotle feels like a skit from a comedy.) Macedonia can certainly be a country. But if there is a Macedonian state, by definition it's a Greek country. If it's not Greek, then it's Not a Macedonian state, but a different country.

@kostasgk1664

3 жыл бұрын

It's true. Anyone wants souvlaki?

@InsaneFoxx

3 жыл бұрын

@@loyalbeaver9402 Exactly, Like, how I have a friend named Alex, which, despite never having set foot on the continent of Europe, makes him Greek. Because if anyone is named Alexander, that automatically means they have to be Greek. No one else is allowed to use the name Alexander.

"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" - Kiro Gligorov, FYROM's first President, Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992

@Swift-mr5zi

2 жыл бұрын

Modern day Greeks aren't genetically related to ancient Greeks

@xgkotkot42

2 жыл бұрын

@@Swift-mr5zi Scientists disagree.

@dimk735

2 жыл бұрын

@@Swift-mr5zi www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals#:~:text=The%20Greeks%20really%20do%20have%20near%2Dmythical%20origins%2C%20ancient%20DNA%20reveals,-By%20Ann%20Gibbons&text=Ever%20since%20the%20days%20of,favor%20with%20the%20Greek%20gods.

@Sonasic

2 жыл бұрын

well in words yeah my friend.But what is this huge monument in Skopje?You are not descendants but Alexander the great's monument is highy and mighty in your capital even though you have 0 relation with him historically speaking and even if you consider everything else (his family,he spoke greek everything was greek around alexander) even his name in greek means "the one who repels men (repels the enemies) " . Αλέξανδρος = ανήρ+ απομακρύνω .

@idkwhattonamethis4417

2 жыл бұрын

Wait,the first president of macedonia is Nikola Karev,not Kiro gligorov,Kiro gligorov is the second macedonian president

The Glorious South Slavic Un-Hellenic Non-Alexandrian Former Yugoslav Democratic Republic of Upper New Vardar Occupied Macedonia-Skopje edit: nirad802 suggested adding New Vardar edit 2: Haris Manou said that Macedonia isn't the best option to put in this name, so I'll change it to occupied Macedonia

@astrum097

6 жыл бұрын

THE NATION GSSUHNAFYDRUM

@astrum097

6 жыл бұрын

Iykury lol

@Fillipe.356

6 жыл бұрын

just missed Vardar

@Fabs4947

6 жыл бұрын

vocalweeb MY MAN

@Evzone1821

6 жыл бұрын

*Pins Order of Alexander to your chest*

It's hilarious to me as Bulgarian when I hear FYROM-ians claim ancient Greek history and pedigree while at the same time speaking a Bulgarian dialect and using the Cyrillic alphabet. They keep giving the Greeks high blood pressure. You literally can't parody this shit - it's beyond ridiculous.

@marvelfannumber1

6 жыл бұрын

Exactly, it would be like Moldova claiming to be the rightful heir to the Bulgarian Empire because a tiny sliver of Moldova used to be a part of it. It's the most ridiculous nonsense.

@xo-1320

6 жыл бұрын

flioink Actually language is not a good indication of ancestry. The English may speak a Germanic language but ethically they are actually Celts. The France language is deprived from Latin and the country from the Franks but they are just direct descendents of the Gauls Ceaser conquered. It's actually a common practice for the conquerors who are naturally a minority to attempt to culturally assimilated the natives so that they don't face rebellion.

@user-tf8kc7wr5n

6 жыл бұрын

But in this case Emp United the Greek macedonias preserved the greek language which has direct ties to the ancient greek language and were not assimilated by the numerous historical conquerors in the region. Hence the greek macedonians have a way stronger case of claiming direct assosiation with the ancient Greek macedonian history given also that there is a direct geographical link of the ancient macedonian kingdom and modern Greek macedonia.

@xo-1320

6 жыл бұрын

Константин Вениер That much is true yet to simply lump the people of Bulgaria is a bit of a insult as despite the assimilation they at least retain the ideauty of them still being Macedonians even if they aren't culturally that. The naming claim really comes down to how one can detail what constitutes a descendent and the context they are using for the claim. Genetically they are descendents of Macedonian Greeks, culturally they are almost completely Slavic and either way you well offend either side as to claim they are enrages the Greeks or if not you offend them.

@user-tf8kc7wr5n

6 жыл бұрын

Emp United I agree with your logic but I strongly disagree with the claim that Macedonians are genetically linked to ancient Greek macedonians. As I have done extensive research in this area, the iGENEA genetics results (if this is the results you used for your argument) constantly used by the macedonian side of the dispute has been deemed highly inacurate and questionable to the point that they removed the statistics from their site a couple of years ago. There have been several other genetic tests though that show direct link of the macedonians with the other slavic ethnicities such as the Bulgarian, Serbian, Bosnian, Ukranian Polish etc. Of course we are dealing with the Balkans where throughout the centuries especially during the ottoman rule there has been a significant mix of people, cultures and genetics so nothing is absolute. Claiming that modern macedonians are genetically descendant of macedonian Greeks is definetly wrong. The ancient macedonians were of doric origins which today has been proven to be a people of indo-european descent. This indo-european doric genetic can be found in a majority of Greek people especially in northern Greece. Last the claims of the purity of this so called European race is bs.. indo-europeans are proven by genetics to originate from the east and not from the north as many believe.

I live in montreal Canada. But I followed the "north Macedonian" trend and built a statue of Julius Caesar in my backyard 2 yrs ago. Now I consider myself roman , I live in rome and you must call me a roman .

@e.v.5456

3 жыл бұрын

Till 1830 "greeks" were pretending to have a roman identity so it would be more accurate to call it gypsie greek trend

@ThePeter2386

3 жыл бұрын

@@e.v.5456 lol yeah good one nerd 👍

@nikosnas2184

3 жыл бұрын

@@e.v.5456 we were part of the roman empire lol. We were named the eastern roman empire and were mostly greek speaking. I dont make sense out of your comment so im just giving you out this handful of information.

@bigbangchrysa

3 жыл бұрын

@@e.v.5456 Read a book man . Seriously. The Homer was publishing the Iliad 700 years before the Romans were even a thing. I repeat. Read a book

@katerinadud

3 жыл бұрын

Are you for real? Hahahah. Read a bit of history, 1913, the Bucurest deal. This is how far I can help you! Goodluck in your endevours building idols in your backyard.

STOP fighting , they are Slavs

*Saying Alexandros was Macedonian and not Greek, is like saying Leonidas was Spartan and not Greek, Pericles was Athenian and not Greek, or that Oedipus was Corinthian and not Greek.* Back then there wasn't one united Hellas but many independent Greek City States that shared language, religion, beliefs, traditions and culture. That's basic history. But I guess in the world we live in, every nobody can claim something...

@yanuchiuchihaanimegamesand3907

6 жыл бұрын

1. Ancient Greeks called Ancient Macedonians Barbarians [non-Greeks] 2. Simply using someone else's script does not make You a part of their nation, why? Becau8se about half of the world should belong to England by that logic 3. The nobody claiming everything is Greece, why? Before the balkan wars Greeks had no idea about the ancient past and the ones that introduced them to it were the Brittish and French

@ppaaccoojrf

6 жыл бұрын

+Yanuchi Uchiha The fact that you believe the Latin script is English leads me to completely ignore any sort of opinion on history you may have.

@franknwalters

6 жыл бұрын

Yanuchi Uchiha: Anime, Games and Ramdomness On 1. Not the Greeks, an Athenian statesmen, Demosthenes, and for political reasons. And though the Athenians regarded practically every non-Athenian being inferior to them (polically), there were many Athenian statesmen who defended Philipp. Aeschines, the Athenian statesman, defending Philipp and the macedons *accused Demosthenes that not Philipp, but Demosthenes hilself was a barbarian.* In fact, the word 'barbarian' was being used VASTLY as a political insult rather than to define ancestry. Obviously they 'forgot' to teach you these in Skopje. On 2. Arrian, _"Anabasis of Alexander"_ Book II, Ch.7, par.4,5, Cambridge, Massachussets, Harvard University Press _"...We Macedonians are to fight Medes and Persians, nations long steeped in luxury, while we heve long been hardened by warlike toils and dangers; and above it will be a fight among free men and slaves. And so•far _*_as Greek will meet Greek, WE shall not be fighting for like causes;_*_ those mercenaries with Dareius will risk their lives for pay, and poor pay too; _*_WE on the cotrary shall find for Greece and our hearts will be in it..."_* On 3. Ioannis (John) III Doukas Vatatzes , Emperor of Eastern Roman Empire (Empire of Nicaea) *1222-54 AD* Response Epistle to Pope Gregory VIII of Rome _"…This letter highlighted that _*_in our Greek race,_*_ wisdom is prevalent, and like a fountain, where drops are dropped everywhere, it is just for us, _*_we who this distinction light us,_*_ not to ignore the hierarchy of your throne. Then you demand from us not to ignore your own throne and its privileges, how we will counter demand from you not to disregard and acknowledge our right in authority and the state of Constantinople, which gained this authority from the times of Constantine the Great, and after it had seen many lords after him of _*_our race,_*_ and lasted for _*_A MILLENNIA,_*_ came down to us. For example the founders of my dynasty, those from the race of Duke’s and Comnenes, _*_not to mention the other ones, who all derive from Greek races, those, thus, of my generation held the power of Constantinople for hundreds of years._*_ Those (Emperors) who, even the Church of Rome and its hierarchic superiors, were calling ‘’Emperors of the Romans’’, now how come we seem to you that we have from nowhere the authority and the kingdom…''_

@emmanouilachladiotis5272

6 жыл бұрын

So This is like saying Turkey can be Macedonia, Syria can be Macedonia, all the conquered land of Alexander the Great can be claim with the name Macedonia but they don't and can't, so why they (the slavic) would and could do that? Just because of land that was conquered there? But other countries were also conquered.. there must be an hidden agenda behind all this

@Kostas_Pro69

6 жыл бұрын

Yanuchi Uchiha: Anime, Games and Ramdomness Then why most of the Macedonia(the real one,the Greek) even before of Balkan wars was full of Greeks?

didnt mention that Greece isnt actually called greece..... the official name of the country is the Hellenic Republic and macedonia in ancient time was a hellenic kingdom, not slavic.....

@hedgehog3180

6 жыл бұрын

Well fuck I guess the solution is just to call Macedonia Greece since that name isn't taken.

@DimitarBerberu

6 жыл бұрын

I second it. Aromanians are considered the closest to ancient Macedonians & they don't care about this mess. Let's remove the borders. We want to enjoy the Macedonian salad.

@gtmopl9048

6 жыл бұрын

Yes its Hellas not Greece. Greece was the name the Romans used for Hellas. Our name is Hellas not Grecce. 100% yu are right

@dansie8320

6 жыл бұрын

fmldominic u know history man ...hw old were once again ??

@thot_wheels7618

6 жыл бұрын

Dimitar Berberu aromanias?what

Another name that could be really accurate is "Really far India"

@GiannisRigas

2 жыл бұрын

Or even better Venice 2

We in Sweden are learning in schools for the Ancient Greek kingdom of Macedonia

@janeza382

11 ай бұрын

kingdom is differnt system then collonial city state. Today Greeks are Christian Romans not ancient Hellene. Greece is Roman from insignificant nearby colony. Greece want exclusivity of ancient and their nation was bult by "antiquation" (megali-idea / Military government doctrine ) and claiming all Christians as Greeks in educational system.

@thebalkanhistorian.3205

11 ай бұрын

@@janeza382doesn’t change the fact that Macedonia is Greek

@Writer_Productions_Map

9 ай бұрын

​@@thebalkanhistorian.3205the South part, North Macedonia is Slavic and always Slav

@thebalkanhistorian.3205

9 ай бұрын

@@Writer_Productions_Map nope, north Macedonia also used to be Greek (ancient pelagonia) along with most of the Balkans such as Bulgaria central Albania etc

@Writer_Productions_Map

9 ай бұрын

@@thebalkanhistorian.3205 well, not anymore

i love how you tackle these controversial issues with a high degree of objectivity each and every time

@WonderWhy

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I really appreciate that because that's exactly what I always strive for.

@lordofmilk8063

6 жыл бұрын

WonderWhy Keep up the good work. The comments will always be filled with misinformed idiots.

@hedgehog3180

6 жыл бұрын

I personally can't believe that this is actually controversial but I guess that's the Balkans for you.

@lordofmilk8063

6 жыл бұрын

hedgehog3180 Its a long and complicated history if you truly want to understand it. There is just so many sides of the story you need to take considerations before you can understand. I don't think a youtube video can truly simplify this mess.

@FIRE-zt6vw

Жыл бұрын

@@hedgehog3180 i personally can belive how stupid you are

The video is quite accurate and well done BUT tha major issue is not the name but the fact that people from Skopia claim to be the true descentents of Alexander the Great and of ancient Macedonians. They claim that ancient Macedonias were not Greeks and that the language they spoke had no relation to ancient Greek!!! They simply claim parts of Greek history as their own and that is why Greece can't aggree with the use of the name Macedonia by them.

@gv8840

6 жыл бұрын

its because its true costa...macedonia is not greek...have a look at the way the historians described the macedonians tall...huge...strong...athletic...now lets look at the greeks...small...stocky...fat and of dark features...guess what...they are not the same...and genetically not the same...proof macedonians were not Greek

@brucewayneisdeadpool830

6 жыл бұрын

Green Lantern Now that s one of the most retarded comments, I ve ever heard of. How can somebody even begin to form an answer if someone states such meaningless and untrue claims, expecting to be taken seriously

@gv8840

6 жыл бұрын

+Bruce Wayne is Deadpool Read your own greek historians description of how the macedonians looked you idiot...

@brucewayneisdeadpool830

6 жыл бұрын

No the amazing thing is that you claim that greeks are small stocky and fat and you ignore that 1. Being fat is about diet, greece might have an obesity problem now but that has nothing to do with hereditary aspects. 2. Height is something that changes over the years, during the Napoleonic years someone having a stature of 1.70 was considered pretty average while now it's considered short. 3. On the same note, historians of that time might have thought that Macedonians are tall, because the average back then was small. 4. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY. Wait you think guys from Skopje are "tall", "huge", and athletic. Piss off. You guys are slav squatting so hard that after the age of 25 you start losing height. And the only reason you are not fat is because you don t have money to feed yourselves.

@brucewayneisdeadpool830

6 жыл бұрын

Fyrom has guys so pale cause they are all slavic tribes straight from the north. Greece on the contrary has a skin complex much closer to the one macedonians had. So fucking piss off and find another historic figure to steal.

We in Sweden are learning in schools Macedonia is Greece

@bojanblagoevski959

Жыл бұрын

fuck your schools

@eliasnjetski1146

Жыл бұрын

Well, that's not 100% true. Jag skriver på svenska här nu till dig. Vi fick lära oss i skolan om alla länder i Europa, alltså var de ligger och så vidare. När jag gick i skolan så hette Nordmakedonien, Makedonien. Jag visste inte förrän i gymnasiet att nordliga delen av Grekland också heter Makedonien. Namnbytet var i allra högsta grad väsentligt. Kompromissen var väl bra?

of North Macedonia have a Macedonian Slavic national identity. They are Slavic-speaking descendants of the Slavic tribes who have lived in the area since the 6th century and have a contentious history with Bulgaria and to some respects Serbia historically respectively

@Peterkonto

2 жыл бұрын

Historically, the term "Macedonia" which, it should be noted, is a Greek word, refers to the Kingdom and the civilization of the Ancient Macedonians, who belong to the Hellenic nation, and constitute an indisputable part of the historical and cultural heritage of Greece. Geographically, this term refers to a larger area spanning the present territory of various Balkan countries. Most of it is located in Greece, while other smaller parts of it are in North Macedonia, Bulgaria and Albania. The main body of Ancient Macedonia lies within the present Hellenic borders and occupies the northern part of the Greek territory. It has been historically called Macedonia and its current population amounts to about 2. 5 million Greek citizens. The roots of the name issue go back to the aftermath of World War II, when Marshal Tito separated the region that until then was called Vardar Banovina (i.e. the current Republic of North Macedonia) from Serbia, granted it the status of federal component of the then new Federal Yugoslavia, and renamed it initially "the People's Republic of Macedonia " and later "the Socialist Republic of Macedonia". At the same time, he began to cultivate the idea of a separate and distinct "Macedonian nation"...The only people who say that todays northern Macedonias are slavic and also indigenous macedonians is by the fabricated brainwashed nationalistic slavic macedonians to the amusement of the whole world..

@tatjanavelkova5814

3 ай бұрын

@@Peterkonto TATJANA MAKEDONKA. vol @.

The name "Macedonia" comes from the combination of the ancient Greek linguistic root "mac" which in turn comes from the greek word "mecos/macros" which means "length" and the also ancient Greek word "έδος/'εδαφος" or "edos/edafos" which means "land". The reason for that combination of words (mac+edos) is the shape of the geographical area of the Greek Macedonia back in the time of Homer, who at some point in the Odyssey, mentioned a tribe of Greeks from the "long land", using the word "Macednos" to describe their origin. Thucydides, an ancient Greek historian and general, described the geographical area of Greek Macedonia as "the long land" using the word "Macedonia". And that, lads, is the Greek origin of the word "Macedonia" and is one more reason why the geographical area that currently belongs to Greece, is the one true Macedonia. Does the word "Macedonia" even HAVE origins from the language FYROM civilians speak? Does it even MEAN something in their language?

@xristo702

5 жыл бұрын

I'm no scholar but some say Macedons geographic proximity to Thrace/illyria suggests that their version of Koine was mixed with the languages of their neighbors. And are you sure that's the origin of "Makedonia"? The "dón" in Makedon may have come from the thracian word for "homeland" or the ancient greek word for earth or soil (cthon) "Maka" could also have sanskrit origins for the word "mother" just as the Phrygian language had considerable indo-european influence as well. So maybe Make-don means motherland...or maybe the greeks are right and it means "tall and slender". Don't know, and don't actually give a fuck. As for our "bullshit skopijan slav FYROM" language... lets take a closer look at some of our words, hm? Mourning = "Zhal", based on old dacian god of the underworld, Zalmoxis (Ζάλμοξις) Quick = Brzo, based on Thracian word "Bruzas" meaning same thing White = Belo, Thracian word: "Balios" Bull = Vol, Thracian word: "Bolinthos" Water = Voda, Phrygian word: "Bedu" To gather = soberi/biram, Phrygian word: Bher/ber, root word for "bearing" To give = Dava/dadi, Phrygian word: dadón Hedgehog = ezh, Phrygian: ezis, Greek: eschinos, root word for echidna rice = Oriz, Thracian: Briza, Greek: orinda/óryza mud/swamp = Khal, Thracian: Chalas home = doma, Thracian = dama, sanskrit: dhama, greek word for house: thaimós earth = Zemja, Thracian = zeml’a woman = zhena, thracian word for birth or origin: (zenis), Greek word: "gen-es", root word for "genetics" Dog = Kuche/Kune, Phrygian word = Kunes Green = Zeleno, Phrygian word for vegetation = zelkia Son = Sin, Thracian word: Cin, root word for kin I'm just some guy who's only fluent in the english language, but if if this was my field of expertise I'm sure I could go on and on....its obvious that our language is heavily mixed with proto-slavic which has ZERO connections to the area prior to 600ad....but let's not pretend our language is made up bulgarian bullshit over here. It's based on old church Slavonic: a language created by two byzantine greeks in the capitol of macedonia, for the bulgarian kingdom, and it is based on a mixture of the protoslavic languages spoken by slavic settlers and the paleobalkan languages spoken by the natives. So don't be so quick to shit all over us, we haven't been here as long as the pelasgians or trojans or acheans....but we've been here as while as well.

@billmakalovski6540

5 жыл бұрын

The root of the name Makedonia is found in the Macedonian language which modern linguists refer to as slavonic. It’s all the same. Make - means mother, don - means Holy and “ia” - means land. The land of the holy mother or the holy mother land. Just as it is written on the Rosetta Stone where the Macedonians were called children of the holy mother.. The Ancient Macedonian is the proto Slavic that all so called Slavic languages originate from. It’s as simple as that

@randomdudeV2

5 жыл бұрын

the classic wikipedia historian...

@hellenicbass1344

5 жыл бұрын

What are you guys even talking about. Macedonia means long land, simply because Macedonians and northern Greeks were generally taller than the southerners! The ancient Macedonian language is a Greek dialect as seen by the Pella Tablet which is written ancient Macedonian. Slavic arrived 2.000 years later.... Macedonia is an archaic place since at least the indoeuropean migrations... Dont play with words.

@hellenicbass1344

5 жыл бұрын

xristo702 The language spoken today in fyrom is a mixed SlavicGreekAlbanian dialect . Albanian and Greek language both are paleobalkanic and related to Thracian. Slavic is related to Baltic and not Thracian.

Everytime I hear this dispute, I'm reminded that the USA has a ton of states, districts, cities and do on that are names of other places in europe......

@anthonyverde1522

6 жыл бұрын

Jn liew cause Eastern Europe is petty as fuck.

@HoennMaster

6 жыл бұрын

A lot of them were named by European countries though. Not all...but a lot.

@mkd2839

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, but unlike this situation, Birmingham, Alabama don't claim itself to be the real Birmingham, England

@killercaos123

6 жыл бұрын

The US is a country founded on immigrants from other nations. It's just the way it is.

@Okami1313

6 жыл бұрын

I wonder if Greece has a problem with the name of Macedon New York?

A Slavo-Bulgarian people for their new state uses as a flag an ancient Greek symbol of the Argeide Greek dynasty and as a name an ancient Greek name already used in a northern Greek province. Are we serious?

We in Sweden are learning in schools that the Ancient Macedonians were Greeks

@idkwhattonamethis4417

2 жыл бұрын

Well in some other countries the teachers are so lazy to say that macedonia is not greece

@leah.g

2 жыл бұрын

And that's what's true.

@TheYoutubaki

2 жыл бұрын

@@idkwhattonamethis4417 depends on what you mean by "macedonia". Geographically, it's a region. Historically, it was a *Greek* empire.

@AlexMkd1984

Жыл бұрын

@@TheYoutubaki macedonia is country region dont exist falae hellas propaganda

@AlexMkd1984

Жыл бұрын

@@leah.g greek never existed hellenic become fake greek made by united Kingdom 😂

how can a country that exists for 30 years claim to be an ancient civilization is beyond me

@Unknown-mp1fn

6 жыл бұрын

actually Macedonia is there for 2.5k years...nothing changed but Greece is bigger country and everyone thinks their lies are true

@shittyhaircut

6 жыл бұрын

barbarian spotted

@BiteBolt_77

6 жыл бұрын

h4ppyh4rdc0ril4 XD

@franknwalters

6 жыл бұрын

mateja pavlovic 1. Prof. Miroslav Grcev, Member of the FYRMacedonian government, Live on Camera, Nov.2017 _"...The "Macedonian" State was _*_literally invented_*_ during the end of the WW2 (1945) within Yugoslavia. In this framework _*_for the first time in history_*_ the 'macedonian' _*_nation,_*_ the 'macedonian' _*_culture,_*_ the 'macedonian' _*_language,_*_ the 'macedonian' _*_history_*_ and the 'macedonian' symbols _*_were also invented and emancipated._*_ Today this (historical truth) is _*_forbidden._*_ And nowadays, on almost a national level as a society, we are in a very backwards and horrible process of self-annihilation, placing ourselves in the prenatal period of Macedonia..."_ 2. FYROM is settled on *Paeonia,* not on Macedonia, and you are Slavs. Dr David Gordon Mitten, Dr James Loeb, Professors of Classical Art and Archaeology, *Harvard* University _"...We do not understand how the modern inhabitants of ancient _*_Paeonia_*_ ( the region the 1991 self-declared Republic of "Macedonia" is settled ), who speak Slavic - a language _*_and people introduced into the Balkans about a millennium after the death of Alexander_*_ - can claim him as their national hero. Alexander the Great was thoroughly and indisputably Greek..."_

@DJBigMD

6 жыл бұрын

how can a country that exists 100 years (greece)?

the ''Vardar Republic'' - ' sounds good to me .

@gioagg6201

5 жыл бұрын

sounds badass actually!

@hristoaleksovski9414

5 жыл бұрын

gio agg don’t think a country is going to use a name that’s been used as an insult by others

@hristoaleksovski9414

5 жыл бұрын

K Van who ?

@st3fan735

5 жыл бұрын

You are Bulgarian not Macedonian

@hristoaleksovski9414

5 жыл бұрын

@@st3fan735 awsome! Ahahaha

It's almost 7th of March, Happy horse Easter to all the Turkicdonians !

@franknwalters

4 жыл бұрын

@Red Yellow Phalanx Prof. Miroslav Grcev, Member of the Slavomacedonian government, Live on Camera, Nov.2017 _"...The "(Slavo)Macedonian" State was literally _*_INVENTED_*_ during the end of the WW2 within Yugoslavia (1945, by the Yugoslav communists). In this framework for the _*_FIRST TIME in history_*_ the '(slavo)macedonian' _*_nation,_*_ the '(slavo)macedonian' _*_culture,_*_ the '(slavo)macedonian' _*_language,_*_ the '(slavo)macedonian' _*_history_*_ and the '(slavo)macedonian' _*_SYMBOLS, were also invented and emancipated._*_ Today this (historical truth) is _*_forbidden._*_ And nowadays, on almost a national level as a society, we are in a very backwards and horrible process of self-annihilation, placing ourselves in the prenatal period of _*_(ancient)_*_ Macedonia..."_

@aokiaoki4238

4 жыл бұрын

@Red Yellow Phalanx Hapy Horse Easter, Mongol !

@franknwalters

4 жыл бұрын

@Red Yellow Phalanx Professor Toni Deskoski, Skopje, SlavoMacedonia, ON CAMERA *February 2018,* *_"We tried to REPLACE our identity,_*_ to inject ancient Greek "DNA" (culture & history) in our society, in order to CHANGE our collective memory; the memory of a _*_Slavic_*_ nation. We tried to PRESENT and to _*_PROMOTE ourselves as_*_ an ancient Macedonian nation. _*_The ancient Macedonians were actually GREEKs._*_ It was a very crazy attempt to _*_present_*_ a Slavic nation as GREEK nation and that cause a great confusion within our State."_

@aokiaoki4238

4 жыл бұрын

@Red Yellow Phalanx 🦄🦄🦄

@georgevyzas8526

3 жыл бұрын

@The Yellow Red Phalanx This is some Skopjan minimum wage behaviour you are exhibiting. Greece's army spending is more than your country's GDP. You call Greeks poor; your country is below broke. So broke, that if you decide to ever invade us it will be with speared phalanxes. Greece could rekt you in a matter of hours, as military exerceise. Your army is that laughably insignificant.

Alexander the Great was Greek and Tsar Samuel was Bulgarian.

@vmro9446

2 жыл бұрын

That makes me believe they were Macedonians even more 😃

@janeza382

11 ай бұрын

And you are vulgar Roman .

Alexander the Great: *_"Macedonia is my Kingdom, Greece is my country"_*

@athanasiosbairlis5563

5 жыл бұрын

MobyDick: I am Macedonian from Pella and tour-guide in Greece. look: www.tourtripgreece.gr Philip conquer the southern Greek city-states at 338 BC (battle of Heroneia). NOT all Greece as it is today. Philip and Alexander have UNIFIED (forced to stop the civil-wars) most of the Greek city-states and formed the first time in history :"GREECE" (as one country). The Spartans did not participate, because they wanted for their-selfs the "hegemony". Please do not offend linguistick ("f@cking" etc). Keep cool. THANK YOU.

@georgios_5342

5 жыл бұрын

@m0bydick nope. Macedonians united the Greeks.

@makedoncerr

5 жыл бұрын

@@athanasiosbairlis5563 Malakas grekos hahahaa

@athanasiosbairlis5563

5 жыл бұрын

Robert Ristoski: When you have not any based in historic evidence to justify the existance of the FYROM abd you want the name that Josip Tito "baptized" you...you begin to swear trying to irritate anyone who is tellig you the truth about your origin. Yes you are a mixture of Slav-Bulgar, Albanians, Gypsie-Roma, Turcs etc. How can you be "Macedonian" ??\ You HATE YOUR ORIGIN AND FEEL ASHAME ABOUT IT. ..seeking desperate other "identity."..."Bulgardonia" is OK ! (maximal...he)

@makedoncerr

5 жыл бұрын

@@athanasiosbairlis5563 your name Atanas Baraloski you're change your name 1870 so you can hide your Ethiopian dna !!!!

The comment wars caused by this country are hilarious

@0Niccc

6 жыл бұрын

betarage at least that's one thing my country is good at :')

@de132

6 жыл бұрын

NickTEG TheEmeraldGamer Not true! You exist, and you're great :')

@belstar1128

6 жыл бұрын

@Game james @worldsbestskiinstructor FIGHT!

@octapusxft

6 жыл бұрын

@betarage It is a subjects that attracts nationalists and/or trolls like rotten meat attracts flies.

@fotiskepelis1

6 жыл бұрын

Fotis Kepelis Fotis Kepelis 7 minutes ago (edited) DNA taken from teeth of 19 people, including 10 Minoans from Crete dating 2900 B.C.E TO 1700 B.C.E. , four from Mycenaeans from the archaeological site at Mycenae and other cemeteries on the Greek mainland dating from 1700 B.C.E. to 1200 B.C.E. and five people from other early farming bronze age (5400 B.C.E. to 1340 B.C.E.) cultures in Greece showed that by comparing 1.2 million letters of genetic code across the genomes to those of 334 other ancient people from around the world and 300 modern Greeks the researches were able to plot how modern Greeks and ancient Greeks have a continuity through the centuries which exceeds 90% of the population in modern Greece. When researches compared DNA of modern Greeks to that of ancient Mycenaeans they found that modern Greeks share the similar proportions of DNA from the same ancestral sources as Mycenaeans. The fact that certain archaeologists thought they were partly Egyptian turns out to be false. The continuity between Mycenaeans and modern Greeks is "particularly striking". Was the result of studies conducted by : University of Washington, Seattle - University of Cambridge, United Kingdom - University of Gothenburg, Sweden - Harvard University, Massachusetts. As you can see troll there are no Greek Universities in this study. In other words its an unbiased international study. So get your head out of you ass, read some international literature on the subject and forget the bullshit propaganda you have been spoon-fed by your idiotic governments.

Abdul Mehmet Hassan,typical Fyromian Tatar Turk Mongol dude.

It should be noted that there is no connection between the Macedonians of the time of Alexander the great who were related to other Hellenic tribes and the Macedonians of today, who are of Slavic Origin and related to the bulgarians

@daytripper6690

11 ай бұрын

It should be noted that there is no connection between the Ancient Greeks and Modern Greeks, who are forcibly assimilated (greekized): Arvanites (Albanians), Aromanians (Vlachs), Slavs, Turks and others. The german thinker Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer (1790 - 1861) wrote a lot about this stuff. There's nothing ancient about today's Greece (formed in 1822) and there's a huge historical gap between her and the Ancient Greeks, a gap that was filled by other ethnic groups.

@Peterkonto

11 ай бұрын

Some years ago I opined that London was not really an English city any more Since then, virtually all my friends from abroad have confirmed my observation that true indigenous londoners no longer exist on behalf of mass immigration. So there must be some truth in it...I should also state that Greece was unfortunately flooded with slavic and Albanian aliens not indigenous to the Hellenic state therefore you were rightlyfully either assimilated into the Greek state or sent back where you naturally belong ..Also Jacob Fallmerayer propaganda theories where debunked and has no substance in truth whatsoever.. Be proud of your Serbian Bulgarian roots and stop pretending you belong to ancient Greek history .Today's modern Greeks can read and understand what the ancient left Greeks behind them in history in antiquity and western schools teach Latin and Greek not slavic or Albanian so take a hike your embarrassing yourself ex communist brainwashed chimpanzees..

@daytripper6690

11 ай бұрын

@@Peterkonto, your Karamanlides grandfathers from the caves of Cappadocia were recent migrants to Macedonia (in 1923), not the Slavs who lived there for millenia and a half, long before Greece conquered that land in 1912-13. Your analogy between those Slavs and the recent migrants in London is a nonsense. The Slavs didn't arrive there yesterday and they didn't arrive in Greece, which didn't exist back then (it was formed in 1822). These Slavs settled in Macedonia, they gave birth to new generations on that land, they ate vegetables and drank water from it and finally they were buried in it. They even absorbed some pre-Slavic genes and left an indelible mark on the region. Perhaps they were not directly linked to the ancient Macedonians, but in a way they became Macedonian. And they're much more Macedonian than the turkosporos that arrived there in 1923.

@Peterkonto

11 ай бұрын

@Day Tripper Greeks have been living in what is now Turkey continuously since the middle 2nd millennium BC. Following upheavals in mainland Greece during the Bronze Age Collapse, the Aegean coast of Asia Minor was heavily settled by Ionian and Aeolian Greeks and became known as Ionia and Aeolia ,also two of the wonders of the ancient world were built by the ancient Greeks in today's Turkey.. It's also time for the Slavic North Macedonians to come to the realization that their deception of Macedonian history has been thwarted and laid to rest. Time to move on from your misleading propaganda! You are the laughingstock of the entire world. Take a good look at yourselves in the mirror, for no one else in the entire world shares your warped interpretation of world history. You doing your image a disservice and achieving nothing other than ridicule.The Slavic-speaking population in the region of Macedonia had been referred to both (by themselves and outsiders) as Bulgarians, and that is how you were predominantly seen since 10th,up until the early 20th century. According to Encyclopædia Britannica, Tito is no longer with , you can now stop this charade. No one is listening to your nonsense ..The North slavic Macedonian language is a Slavic language basically in between Serbian and Bulgarian which was codified away from the Bulgarian language and became a official language in 1932..

@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044

11 ай бұрын

Bit like the British in that sense, the issue of tribal nationalism or civic nationalism

As a proud Greek Macedonian, this is a clean cut, unbiased and very enlightening video. Thank you!

@WonderWhy

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that! Really appreciate it. As for your other comment, I'll admit it's maybe possible I have understated how many people want a United Macedonia, but even if they were to elect a nationalist government... realistically they can't act on it anyway. Greece is a more powerful country in every way, and has NATO on its side. So whether the territorial ambitions exist or not, Greece really doesn't need to worry about it. About the name suggestions though... I don't think using "Slavic" in their name is very fair because of the very large minority of Albanians that reside in the country. I'm personally a fan of New Macedonia.

@Fluskar

6 жыл бұрын

yes

@bioshockftw123isBACK

6 жыл бұрын

Dahkittydoonsta The people of Skopje are SLAVS not HELLENES. Once Golden Dawn gets into power the Megali idea will be realized and this petty dispute will be settled once and for all.

@NickResen

6 жыл бұрын

WonderWhy You were right in saying it is mainly nationalist Macedonians that continue to see Greek Macedonia as a territory to be united with, but you missed the major issue why Macedonians (like me) care for keeping the name. Today, Macedonians generally view Greece with contempt over the historical treatment of the ethnic Macedonians in the region after the Balkan Wars and the Greek Civil War. That is something I feel was missing. It is true that current Greek Macedonia is overwhelmingly Greek, but abuses of the Macedonian group (including the refusal to recognize the ethnicity) in the 20th century are a sore spot. Sorry if this was rather long, but I really did enjoy the video and you did a good job explaining an oddly complicated issue!

@Evzone1821

6 жыл бұрын

WonderWhy Very good points! The Albanians may feel left out with “Slavic Macedonia”, but the Slavic Macedonians could look at Vardarska Republic as well, since that was once the name of the region. Man, this issue is all because of labeling. Ugh.

How about "That Little Round Country North Of Greece"?

@yagacomicart

4 жыл бұрын

Συμεών 1926ΠΑΟΚGATE4 👍

@nightknight2032

4 жыл бұрын

Greece has no objection, unless containing "Macedonia"

@bosnianseparatist1174

4 жыл бұрын

More like Western Bulgaria

@beamer-ma4138

4 жыл бұрын

How about for greece "the Republic of Macedonian turks and albanian " ????

@coasterexpert7501

4 жыл бұрын

How about naming the country "Yugoslavia" which means The Land of the Slavs of the south, it world work.

It's not a word order... Upper Republic of Macedonia implies that there is a bond to the Macedonian Kingdom and also could imply that Upper Republic of Macedonia lacks it's other half. Republic of Upper Macedonia cuts off any ties to the ancient macedonian kingdom AND describes the country by the region it holds. Those words are carefully placed where they are. If all North Macedonia cared about was it's name, it's government wouldn't have erected statues of Alexander the Great and all those other things. Luckily they have a more reasonable government now, still not very trustworthy, given the fact that there are many parts of the deal that still remain only on paper

@YY-wc8nd

3 жыл бұрын

@ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ is МАКЕДОНИЈА You are NOT Macedonian you are Bulgarian Macedonia is Greece FYROM - North Macedonia is Bulgarian "Carte ethnigraphique de la Turquie d'Europe et des etats vassaux autonomes" Guillaume Lejean, 1861 i.imgur.com/3yQhTdZ.jpg "Этнографическая карта славянскихь народностей" Михаил Ф. Миркович, 1867 i.imgur.com/eOxyx7x.jpg "The Turks, the Greeks and the Slavons. Travels in the Slavonic Provinces of Turkey-in-Europe" G. Muir Mackenzie and A. P. Irby, London, 1867 i.imgur.com/vVNEMA9.jpg "Мара Slovanskègo Svèta" Karel Jaromir Erben, 1868 i.imgur.com/jH8TeHF.jpg "Nouvelle Géographie Universelle" Élisée Reclus, 1876 i.imgur.com/T1wkC7o.jpg "Ethnographische Übersicht des europäischen Orients / zusammengestellt" H. Kiepert, Berlin, im Mai 1876 i.imgur.com/NnDyK49.jpg "Carte Ethnographique de la Turquie d'Europe" A. Synvet, 1877 i.imgur.com/NPN3Sbm.jpg "Ethnographische Karte der der Europäischen Türkei und ihrer Dependenzen zu Anfang des Jahres" Carl Sax, 1877 i.imgur.com/78KmjLy.jpg "Ethnographical Map of Turkey in Europe" Ernst Ravenstein, 1880 i.imgur.com/JaTn2Yb.jpg "Peoples at the Balkan Peninsula" Andrees Allgemeiner Handatlas, 1st Edition, Leipzig, 1881 i.imgur.com/Ns38Klw.jpg "Ethnographische Karte der sudwestlichen Balkanhalbinsel" Dr Gustav Weigand. Leipzig, 1890 i.imgur.com/5ea8vh4.jpg "Карта Славянскихь Народностей" Н. С. Зарянко, Санкт Петербург, 1890 i.imgur.com/mK7q7Go.jpg "Ethnographische Karte von Makedonien, Deutsche Rundschau für Geographie und Statistik Bd. XXI" Friedrich Meinhard, 1899 i.imgur.com/9BCwlQt.jpg "Populations de la peninsule des Balkans, Institut Geographique de Paris" Ch. Delagrave, 1899 i.imgur.com/rYyEOwn.jpg "Narodopisna mapa Slovanstva, Slovanské starožitnosti" Lubor Niderle, 1902 i.imgur.com/dDZ5ovH.jpg ---------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitola_inscription "In the year 6523 since the creation of the world [1015/1016? CE], this fortress, built and made by Ivan, Tsar of Bulgaria" "This Tsar was Bulgarian by birth, grandson of the pious Nikola and Ripsimia, son of Aaron, who was brother of Samuil, Tsar of Bulgaria" ---------------- www.britannica.com/topic/Internal-Macedonian-Revolutionary-Organization "IMRO was founded in 1893 in Thessaloníki; its early leaders included Damyan Gruev, Gotsé Delchev, and Yane Sandanski, men who had a Macedonian regional identity and a Bulgarian national identity. " ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=ZmesOn_HhfEC&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA39#v=onepage&q&f=false “The interwar Serbian (and later Yugoslav) government attempted quite unsuccessfully to “Serbianize” the Slavs of Yugoslav Macedonia, who generally defined themselves as Bulgarians, but who were officially referred to as South Serbs by the Yugoslav government.” Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loring_Danforth ---------------- www.scribd.com/document/61993141/History-of-the-Balkans-Vol-2-Twentieth-Century-the-Joint-Committee-on-Eastern-Europe-Publication-Series-No-12 Page 103 in pdf/91 in book : "However, in the nineteenth century the term Macedonian was used almost exclusively to refer to the geographic region; the Macedonians were usually not considered a nationality separate from the Bulgarians, Greeks, Serbs, or Albanians. The diplomatic records of the period make no clear mention of a separate Macedonian nation. At the time of the Constantinople conference of 1876 and the Congress of Berlin, as we have seen, the represen-tatives of the great powers considered the region to be of an extremely mixed ethnic composition, but predominantly Bulgarian." Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Jelavich ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=48NyoQdOWH0C&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q&f=false "In interviews with elderly Vlah-speakers, I was told that their language has no way to distinguish "Macedonian" and "Bulgarian" as ethnic terms, using v'rg'ri to translate both. The term has a clear etymological connection with Bulgar, and this upsets younger people who have grown up in Yugoslav or post-Yugoslav Macedonia, where the difference between Macedonian and Bulgarian became a matter of concern." Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Brown_(linguist) ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=-7TgkO8utHIC&lpg=PP13&ots=en&pg=PA236#v=onepage&q&f=false "Up until the early twentieth century, the international community viewed Macedonians as a regional variety of Bulgarians, i.e. Western Bulgarians. However, during the Paris Peace Conference of 1919 the Allies sanctioned Serbian control of much of Macedonia because they accepted the belief that Macedonians were in fact Southern Serbs. This extraordinary change in opinion can largely be attributed to one man, Jovan Cvijić, a prominent geographer at the University of Belgrade." Author - www.researchgate.net/profile/George_White8 ---------------- humstatic.uchicago.edu/mahimahi/media/faculty/vfriedm/164Friedman01.pdf "The authors of this period(1794-1840) in both Macedonia and Bulgaria called their vernacular language "Bulgarian"." - in the 2nd page of the pdf at the end of paragraph (1). Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Friedman ---------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Macedonian_Matters "Za makedonckite raboti (Cyrillic script: За македонцките работи, English translation: On Macedonian Matters) is a book written by Krste Misirkov and published in 1903 in Sofia, Bulgaria. The book presents the author's views towards the Macedonian Question, and explores the sense of national belonging and nеed for affirmation of the Macedonians as a separate people. The book marked the first complete outline of the Macedonian language as a separate and proposed the need for its codification." books.google.com/books?id=ZmesOn_HhfEC&lpg=PP1&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q&f=false "Finally, Krste Misirkov, who had clearly developed a strong sense of his own personal national identity as a Macedonian and who outspokenly and unambiguously called for Macedonian linguistic and national separatism, acknowledged that a 'Macedonian' national identity was a relatively recent historical development. In On Macedonian Matters, published in 1903, Misirkov, referring to himself and other Slavs of Macedonia in the first person plural, admits repeatedly that "our fathers, grandfathers, and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians" and that "in the past we have even called ourselves Bulgarians" (1974:27, 150)." Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loring_Danforth ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=Y0NBxG9Id58C&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA37&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false "Until the late 19th century both outside observers and those Bulgaro-Macedonians who had an ethnic consciousness believed that their group, which is now two separate nationalities, comprised a single people, the Bulgarians. Thus the reader should ignore references to ethnic Macedonians in the Middle ages which appear in some modern works. In the Middle Ages and into the 19th century, the term 'Macedonian' was used entirely in reference to a geographical region. Anyone who lived within its confines, regardless of nationality could be called a Macedonian. Nevertheless, the absence of a national consciousness in the past is no grounds to reject the Macedonians as a nationality today." Author - lsa.umich.edu/history/people/emeritus/jvafine.html ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=bSxHgej4tKMC&printsec=frontcover&hl=en&pg=PA431#v=onepage&q&f=false "Macedonian was not distinguished from Bulgarian for most of its history. Constantine and Methodius came from Macedonian Thessaloniki; their old Bulgarian is therefore at the same time 'Old Macedonian'. No Macedonian literature dates from earlier than the nineteenth century, when a nationalist movement came to the fore and a literacy language was established, first written with Greek letters, then in Cyrillic. From the point of view of Bulgaria, Macedonian is simply a west Bulgarian dialect." Author - lsa.umich.edu/classics/people/departmental-faculty/fortsonb.html ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=MZcCA4hkwscC&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA189#v=onepage&q&f=false “What made Parlichev adopt the Bulgarian nationalist cause was the fate of the Miladinov brothers, one of whom had been his Greek teacher at school in Ohrid. In 1861 the brothers had published a collection of Bulgarian Macedonian songs in Zagreb, dedicated to Joseph Strossmayer, Catholic bishop of Diakovar[Djakovo], who was an active supporter of the pan-Slavist movement.” Author - oxford.academia.edu/PeterMackridge ---------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Report_of_the_International_Commission_on_the_Balkan_Wars "The International Commission consisted of university professors and other prominent individuals from France, Great Britain, United States, Germany, Austria and Russia. Among the members of the Commission there were three Nobel Prize winners.[1]" archive.org/details/reportofinternat00inteuoft/page/50/mode/2up The most important part is between pages 50 and 57.

@hellothere8121

2 жыл бұрын

Also "Macedonia" (the greek Region) implies that there is a bond to the Makedon Kingdom... there are always two sides in a conflict.

@panagiotispagonis6856

2 жыл бұрын

@@hellothere8121 well it doesn't imply... It straight up claim its connection to Macedonian Kingdom. The fact that the Macedonian Kingdom is ancient Greek history is not seriously debated anymore, it was not debated even in Roman times. That topic is debated the same way some people debate over earth being flat or not. So there is no actual other side on the matter. I do understand that sometimes countries cling to parts of history in order to justify their existence and survive. It's something that all countries do to a certain degree. I personally have no hard feelings on people who want to believe that they decent from Alexander the Great. I have a serious problem when they claim that he is called Alexandar and that his name means dream of a warm day and such bullshit. Alterting history is a crime in my eyes. So to conclude, if there is a country that feels Macedonian is fine by me. They have to accept though that they claim to be descendants of greeks. Could they be a mix of greek slavs etc? Of course! We all are. But if they claim that they are Macedonians they claim they are greek and they should move towards changing back to their roots. If not, they should find another historical part to cling to. But wanting both is stupid offensive and dangerous. That is my personal view on the matter.

@tatjanavelkova5814

Ай бұрын

@@hellothere8121 ~ ~ fly ~ ~ fly in rocks.

Kiro Gligorov, the first leader of Macedonia after independence, who said that Macedonians are Slavs who arrived in the Balkans in the 6th century, seems to prevail. This is what was taught in school textbooks, which hardly contained any reference to Alexander the Great and were conditioned by Yugoslavia’s ideology. “We do not need to claim a pure Macedonian identity: Gruevski tried to falsify our past. Macedonian is a Slavic language. We understand each other with Russians and Ukrainians. We grew up with books that taught us that we are southern Slavs, which is what ‘Yugoslavia’ means,” says Katerina Kolozova, director of the Institute of Social Sciences and Humanities in Skopje.

@heberthr.6978

3 жыл бұрын

then stop naming things in your country after Greek people and stealing greek symbols.

@AlexMkd1984

Жыл бұрын

@Konstantin Trehagyrevopoulos false hellenic become greek made by united Kingdom 😂

@AlexMkd1984

Жыл бұрын

@Konstantin Trehagyrevopoulos macedonian language exists today you are fake greek even dont exists you are hellenic aka united Kingdom false country

@AlexMkd1984

Жыл бұрын

@Konstantin Trehagyrevopoulos You are based on fake history you are fake made by united Kingdom

@AlexMkd1984

Жыл бұрын

@Konstantin Trehagyrevopoulos your fake propaganda 😂 your flag was made by united Kingdom 😂 your king otto from Germany 😂 greek are fake hellenic become greek kow eant to be macedonian😂 your shitty history fake zeus 😂

This wouldn't be a problem if Yugoslavia was still around

@fnostalgiaanostalgia4766

4 жыл бұрын

živela Jugoslavija!

@stefanicvetanoska505

4 жыл бұрын

yeap

@jovantanev2383

4 жыл бұрын

Hahahha

@deadset15-hrvavik17

4 жыл бұрын

Voidzy the greeks where terrified of Yugoslavia

@tekmogm5979

4 жыл бұрын

Yugoslavia never dissapeared, it just reduce to Serbia republic.

WonderWhy: *mentions balkans* Balkans: REEEEEEEEEEE

@bobantheighty6141

4 жыл бұрын

Encyclopædia Britannica 📖: "The Slavic-speaking majority in the Region of Macedonia had been referred to (both, by themselves and outsiders) as Bulgarians, and that is how they were predominantly seen since 10th, up until the early 20th century."

@kdielekdndkdk9075

4 жыл бұрын

Boban Cholich macedonia is greece

@kdielekdndkdk9075

4 жыл бұрын

Boban Cholich CYPRUS IS GREEK LIKE WTF

@kdielekdndkdk9075

4 жыл бұрын

Boban Cholich HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

@kdielekdndkdk9075

4 жыл бұрын

Boban Cholich cyprus is greek🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷

This flag 🇲🇰 looks like a copy of the Japanese flag sponsored by McDonalds.

@ayooo_dude777

4 жыл бұрын

Omg I'm Ronald McDonald but *Japan*

@nikmoras5285

4 жыл бұрын

60% of this new country🇲🇰 are Albanian muslims. No entry into the EU.

@nikmoras5285

4 жыл бұрын

60% of VARDAR SKOPJE BITOLA ect are all Muslim Albanian.

@nikmoras5285

4 жыл бұрын

🇲🇰 no entry into the EU 🇪🇺

@nikmoras5285

4 жыл бұрын

Real history is unpleasant! East Albania 🇦🇱 or west Bulgaria 🇧🇬 is a realistic name.

FOUNDER OF FYROM / БЮРМ “NORTH MACEDONIA” IS THE BULGARIAN KHAN KUBERT AND FYROM / БЮРМ "NORTH MACEDONIANS" ARE REAL BULGARIANS!

@EHMM

2 жыл бұрын

happiest bulgarian

@hellothere8121

2 жыл бұрын

most educated man in bulgaria XD

@someonethatlikesyou7713

2 жыл бұрын

true finally

@tatjanavelkova5814

3 ай бұрын

@@someonethatlikesyou7713............ crep .

Hellas is another name of Greece. And The ancient Macedonian Kingdom was actually Hellinistic. Like the world that Alexander created

@limnmark

6 жыл бұрын

Worldbests.... Actually Alexander not only created a Hellinistic Kingdom but he was also Greek. Like his name, his culture, his Gods, His origins. His everything.

@andrewong2956

2 жыл бұрын

@@limnmark And Alexander is from Pella, located Only in Greece.

@andrewong2956

2 жыл бұрын

@Konstantin Trehagyrevopoulos Ευχαριστω τοσο πολυ!!!

@tatjanavelkova5814

Ай бұрын

@@limnmark before 25 centuries ALEXANDER THE GREAT --- TSAR ON MAKEDONIJA ! ! !

Well this is like how the Holy Roman Empire isn’t Roman but they still call themselves Roman

@namingisdifficult408

6 жыл бұрын

OkThisllbeMyName because they viewed themselves as the successors of the Romans. This is also where the titles of Kaiser and Tsar/Czar came from, that being the word Caesar

@SantomPh

6 жыл бұрын

This is slightly complicated. The Pope crowns Charlemagne as King of the Romans after he saves Rome from attack. He is considered the frst king although not the first of the main line of Emperors. Later, another bloke called Otto also saves Rome and is again crowned King of the Romans. Despite having no real links to Rome or Italy he is called the Emperor and the title Holy is added as the Pope crowned him. He decides to expand northwards and include all the (mostly) German-speaking princedoms and kingdoms as one big sucessor kingdom to the old Roman Empire (the Byzantines were of course not very happy). While the definition Holy Roman Empire was correct, it lost.effect when Germans began changing to Lutheranism and made ruling very difficult since the HRE was to be Catholic.

@jayfawn8478

6 жыл бұрын

hmmm that's why there are Romanians

@mr.dr.genius2169

6 жыл бұрын

OkThisllbeMyName It also wasn't very holy.

@MIGBMWLOVER

6 жыл бұрын

OkThisllbeMyName there no such thing as a yoslavic minority in Greece! Dear wonderwhy you say that NATO guarantee the Greek border please research first the 90s dispute of imia isles and you will see that the Balkans are not your typical allies

Alexander the Great was not related to Abdul the Fyromian North Monkedonian Tatar Turk Mongol.

If the skopjeans (west bulgarians) were "right" about this argument, then why couldn't they ratio this video which CLEARLY states that Macedonia is Greek. Which, Macedonia is Greek and will NEVER be slavic.

@bedwar12494

2 жыл бұрын

did you really say "west bulgarians"?

@longingforthesouth9198

11 ай бұрын

First, what do you mean by "ratio"? Second, the slavic Macedonians don't live only in Skopje, but also in Bitola, Ohrid, Florina, Kastoria, Edessa and many other places all over Macedonia (note: I use the expanded [Roman] definition of what Macedonia is and not the oldest definition that covered only the area around Pella, Vergina and Thessaloniki)

You must have balls of steel. Most people won't touch this even with a 10 feet barge pole. Kudos to you.

@adamsolomon8346

5 жыл бұрын

BALLLS OF STEEEEEEL!!

@BorisKalejcev

5 жыл бұрын

Noting new from people of the FORMER OTTOMAN REPUBLIC OF GERMANY ...

@Sean-no3zv

5 жыл бұрын

Naum Rusomarov why? cause some Slavic peasants from some backwater wanna claim a history they have no logical right to? hmm, weird

@jerie00

5 жыл бұрын

@@Sean-no3zv what is weird is that the ancient Greeks called the Macedonians foreigners and yet modern day Greeks think they are the same nationality. The Greeks hated the Persians, but could never conquer them. Alexander conquered and respected the Persians, he conquered the Greeks and realised that the Persians were a greater race by far. Alexander didn't like the Greeks, which is why he married wives from Persian royalty. He would never lower himself and marry a lowly Greek

@josh-ch9sm

5 жыл бұрын

Bear Bomber France is Bacon

Its really weird that we are speaking in 2018 about an ancient Kingdom that spoke Greek, belived in Greek gods, had the Greek culture etc etc. Slavs has nothing to do with Macedonia, they have beautiful culture, glorious history and many things to be proud of. FYROM please stop r@ping Slavic history!!!!

@hreniucandrei3702

5 жыл бұрын

Extra points for adding a censor to "raping".

@xristo702

5 жыл бұрын

Listen man, if I could come from anywhere else I would just to stop hearing shit like this. Hellenes and slavs moved freely between your country and mine at least since 700 ad and continued to do so all the way up to the balkan wars. When greek and other national identities began to coalesce in the early 1900s, atrocities were committed, population exchanges occurred, traitors were exiled...and now you have to deal with US, a slavic speaking people who used to live all the way from Veroia up to Skopje! The grudges we have are REAL, my friend....not some tito brainwashing and many of us ACTUALLY CAME FROM MACEDONIA (not just Paeonia)before getting driven out. As for me, I love being slavic and your idiotic pleas for us to "stop raping slavic history" is pathetic. Our "slavic macedonian" identity has been around since the middle ages and I can admit that it (obviously) has very little to do with ancient Macedon but it also didn't just materialize in the 1990s after we broke off from Yugoslavia either. So calling us fyromians is a dick move and precisely why we'll never get along.

@jerie00

5 жыл бұрын

George: Scottish people speak English, believe in the same God, and write the same language and have a similar culture to the English, but they are NOT English. Macedonians (like me and my forefathers) speak Macedonian, we come from the (now) Greek part of Macedonia. What is strange is that Greeks call us Slavs, a term that I had never heard applied to Macedonians up until the 1990's, when the Greek government needed to hide from the global community the truth that is the Greek governments attempt at genocide of the Macedonian people of Aegis Makedonia. It's a terrible part of the history of Greece that needs to be told

@justinduck2953

5 жыл бұрын

@@jerie00 yeah, Scottish people are not English but both are British. Just like Macedonians are not Athenians but they are both Greeks. In your own example imagine if Scottish people were claiming they spoke Scottish instead of English Just because they have a different accent. They would sound stupid, right? Well that's how you sound when you say you speak Macedonian when in reality you speak Bulgarian but with a different accent

@jerie00

5 жыл бұрын

@@justinduck2953 actually the Scots have a very different native language to the English, as do the Welsh and the Irish. They all speak English now. And as the Scottish day 'hud ye whisht, ya wee lad' Alexander spoke Macedonian as well as Greek, because it was the language of trade and literature of the time. I don't speak Greek, but I speak Macedonian. My father was forced to speak Greek by the Greeks or be fined or imprisoned

This comment section is the reason why I don’t like humans that much anymore

"The Republic North of Macedonia" Case closed. You're welcomed..

@nikibankov1218

3 жыл бұрын

Still not happy it contains the word Macedonia. Should be republic of West Bulgaria

@YY-wc8nd

3 жыл бұрын

@ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ is МАКЕДОНИЈА You are NOT Macedonian you are Bulgarian Macedonia is Greece FYROM - North Macedonia is Bulgarian "Carte ethnigraphique de la Turquie d'Europe et des etats vassaux autonomes" Guillaume Lejean, 1861 i.imgur.com/3yQhTdZ.jpg "Этнографическая карта славянскихь народностей" Михаил Ф. Миркович, 1867 i.imgur.com/eOxyx7x.jpg "The Turks, the Greeks and the Slavons. Travels in the Slavonic Provinces of Turkey-in-Europe" G. Muir Mackenzie and A. P. Irby, London, 1867 i.imgur.com/vVNEMA9.jpg "Мара Slovanskègo Svèta" Karel Jaromir Erben, 1868 i.imgur.com/jH8TeHF.jpg "Nouvelle Géographie Universelle" Élisée Reclus, 1876 i.imgur.com/T1wkC7o.jpg "Ethnographische Übersicht des europäischen Orients / zusammengestellt" H. Kiepert, Berlin, im Mai 1876 i.imgur.com/NnDyK49.jpg "Carte Ethnographique de la Turquie d'Europe" A. Synvet, 1877 i.imgur.com/NPN3Sbm.jpg "Ethnographische Karte der der Europäischen Türkei und ihrer Dependenzen zu Anfang des Jahres" Carl Sax, 1877 i.imgur.com/78KmjLy.jpg "Ethnographical Map of Turkey in Europe" Ernst Ravenstein, 1880 i.imgur.com/JaTn2Yb.jpg "Peoples at the Balkan Peninsula" Andrees Allgemeiner Handatlas, 1st Edition, Leipzig, 1881 i.imgur.com/Ns38Klw.jpg "Ethnographische Karte der sudwestlichen Balkanhalbinsel" Dr Gustav Weigand. Leipzig, 1890 i.imgur.com/5ea8vh4.jpg "Карта Славянскихь Народностей" Н. С. Зарянко, Санкт Петербург, 1890 i.imgur.com/mK7q7Go.jpg "Ethnographische Karte von Makedonien, Deutsche Rundschau für Geographie und Statistik Bd. XXI" Friedrich Meinhard, 1899 i.imgur.com/9BCwlQt.jpg "Populations de la peninsule des Balkans, Institut Geographique de Paris" Ch. Delagrave, 1899 i.imgur.com/rYyEOwn.jpg "Narodopisna mapa Slovanstva, Slovanské starožitnosti" Lubor Niderle, 1902 i.imgur.com/dDZ5ovH.jpg ---------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitola_inscription "In the year 6523 since the creation of the world [1015/1016? CE], this fortress, built and made by Ivan, Tsar of Bulgaria" "This Tsar was Bulgarian by birth, grandson of the pious Nikola and Ripsimia, son of Aaron, who was brother of Samuil, Tsar of Bulgaria" ---------------- www.britannica.com/topic/Internal-Macedonian-Revolutionary-Organization "IMRO was founded in 1893 in Thessaloníki; its early leaders included Damyan Gruev, Gotsé Delchev, and Yane Sandanski, men who had a Macedonian regional identity and a Bulgarian national identity. " ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=ZmesOn_HhfEC&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA39#v=onepage&q&f=false “The interwar Serbian (and later Yugoslav) government attempted quite unsuccessfully to “Serbianize” the Slavs of Yugoslav Macedonia, who generally defined themselves as Bulgarians, but who were officially referred to as South Serbs by the Yugoslav government.” Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loring_Danforth ---------------- www.scribd.com/document/61993141/History-of-the-Balkans-Vol-2-Twentieth-Century-the-Joint-Committee-on-Eastern-Europe-Publication-Series-No-12 Page 103 in pdf/91 in book : "However, in the nineteenth century the term Macedonian was used almost exclusively to refer to the geographic region; the Macedonians were usually not considered a nationality separate from the Bulgarians, Greeks, Serbs, or Albanians. The diplomatic records of the period make no clear mention of a separate Macedonian nation. At the time of the Constantinople conference of 1876 and the Congress of Berlin, as we have seen, the represen-tatives of the great powers considered the region to be of an extremely mixed ethnic composition, but predominantly Bulgarian." Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Jelavich ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=48NyoQdOWH0C&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q&f=false "In interviews with elderly Vlah-speakers, I was told that their language has no way to distinguish "Macedonian" and "Bulgarian" as ethnic terms, using v'rg'ri to translate both. The term has a clear etymological connection with Bulgar, and this upsets younger people who have grown up in Yugoslav or post-Yugoslav Macedonia, where the difference between Macedonian and Bulgarian became a matter of concern." Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Brown_(linguist) ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=-7TgkO8utHIC&lpg=PP13&ots=en&pg=PA236#v=onepage&q&f=false "Up until the early twentieth century, the international community viewed Macedonians as a regional variety of Bulgarians, i.e. Western Bulgarians. However, during the Paris Peace Conference of 1919 the Allies sanctioned Serbian control of much of Macedonia because they accepted the belief that Macedonians were in fact Southern Serbs. This extraordinary change in opinion can largely be attributed to one man, Jovan Cvijić, a prominent geographer at the University of Belgrade." Author - www.researchgate.net/profile/George_White8 ---------------- humstatic.uchicago.edu/mahimahi/media/faculty/vfriedm/164Friedman01.pdf "The authors of this period(1794-1840) in both Macedonia and Bulgaria called their vernacular language "Bulgarian"." - in the 2nd page of the pdf at the end of paragraph (1). Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Friedman ---------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Macedonian_Matters "Za makedonckite raboti (Cyrillic script: За македонцките работи, English translation: On Macedonian Matters) is a book written by Krste Misirkov and published in 1903 in Sofia, Bulgaria. The book presents the author's views towards the Macedonian Question, and explores the sense of national belonging and nеed for affirmation of the Macedonians as a separate people. The book marked the first complete outline of the Macedonian language as a separate and proposed the need for its codification." books.google.com/books?id=ZmesOn_HhfEC&lpg=PP1&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q&f=false "Finally, Krste Misirkov, who had clearly developed a strong sense of his own personal national identity as a Macedonian and who outspokenly and unambiguously called for Macedonian linguistic and national separatism, acknowledged that a 'Macedonian' national identity was a relatively recent historical development. In On Macedonian Matters, published in 1903, Misirkov, referring to himself and other Slavs of Macedonia in the first person plural, admits repeatedly that "our fathers, grandfathers, and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians" and that "in the past we have even called ourselves Bulgarians" (1974:27, 150)." Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loring_Danforth ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=Y0NBxG9Id58C&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA37&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false "Until the late 19th century both outside observers and those Bulgaro-Macedonians who had an ethnic consciousness believed that their group, which is now two separate nationalities, comprised a single people, the Bulgarians. Thus the reader should ignore references to ethnic Macedonians in the Middle ages which appear in some modern works. In the Middle Ages and into the 19th century, the term 'Macedonian' was used entirely in reference to a geographical region. Anyone who lived within its confines, regardless of nationality could be called a Macedonian. Nevertheless, the absence of a national consciousness in the past is no grounds to reject the Macedonians as a nationality today." Author - lsa.umich.edu/history/people/emeritus/jvafine.html ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=bSxHgej4tKMC&printsec=frontcover&hl=en&pg=PA431#v=onepage&q&f=false "Macedonian was not distinguished from Bulgarian for most of its history. Constantine and Methodius came from Macedonian Thessaloniki; their old Bulgarian is therefore at the same time 'Old Macedonian'. No Macedonian literature dates from earlier than the nineteenth century, when a nationalist movement came to the fore and a literacy language was established, first written with Greek letters, then in Cyrillic. From the point of view of Bulgaria, Macedonian is simply a west Bulgarian dialect." Author - lsa.umich.edu/classics/people/departmental-faculty/fortsonb.html ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=MZcCA4hkwscC&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA189#v=onepage&q&f=false “What made Parlichev adopt the Bulgarian nationalist cause was the fate of the Miladinov brothers, one of whom had been his Greek teacher at school in Ohrid. In 1861 the brothers had published a collection of Bulgarian Macedonian songs in Zagreb, dedicated to Joseph Strossmayer, Catholic bishop of Diakovar[Djakovo], who was an active supporter of the pan-Slavist movement.” Author - oxford.academia.edu/PeterMackridge ---------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Report_of_the_International_Commission_on_the_Balkan_Wars "The International Commission consisted of university professors and other prominent individuals from France, Great Britain, United States, Germany, Austria and Russia. Among the members of the Commission there were three Nobel Prize winners.[1]" archive.org/details/reportofinternat00inteuoft/page/50/mode/2up The most important part is between pages 50 and 57.

@stefan7381

3 жыл бұрын

@@nikibankov1218 Macedonia is a region divided into 5 countries Vardar Macedonia Pirin Macedonia and Agean Macedonia and small parts of serbia and albania so ur not only one allowed to use the name.

The country's name doesn't "imply" territorial disputes. Their fucking constitution does!

@derekkaradimos3044

6 жыл бұрын

Moron, did you even expand my reply ? Here is it again. I cover the 2 amendments but your preamble has not been touched! There are two points of concern: In the FYROM preamble, they define the FYROM state as a departure from the " ...historic decisions of the Anti-Fascist Assembly of the People's Liberation of Macedonia (ASNOM)... ". The problem is that ASNOM had called for the "Macedonians" in Bulgaria and other countries to unite under Tito's rule (remember Tito, he is the Croatian Godfather Communist that invented your fake state FYROM). Their (FYROM) language in article 49 is also problematic (too extensive to go into here). At Greece's request they have added 2 amendements stating that they have no claims on neighbouring countries. Still, that is in contradiction with their preample, and it is to their benefit to rewrite those articles to avoid contradictions and vagueries in their Constitution. No lies on my end, how about you apologise now?

@derekkaradimos3044

6 жыл бұрын

I can see you don't know much at all. You're childish remarks are water off a ducks back. If you can't understand the technical political language that makes up a State constitution there's not much I can do about it. I mean after all, 90% of FYROM have never heard of Google so it makes sense you don't understand the irredentist claims written in the Preamble of your very own constitution. Using foul language doesn't make your argument stronger, on the contrary you yourself come across as the emotionally unstable wreck. :)

@hellothere8121

2 жыл бұрын

did*

@hellothere8121

2 жыл бұрын

@Konstantin Trehagyrevopoulos You are wasting your time bro. Really, go out and do something useful

I'm Slavic but I'm with Greeks in this as they are right. It's their name and culture

@DacLMK

6 жыл бұрын

No

@augustopinochet6359

6 жыл бұрын

Dac DT yes

@amarildorexhepi6043

6 жыл бұрын

Hannibal why do you believe the lies of your politicians..? We Albanians are way more than 25% and we occupy territorially around half of FYROM so why not be called eastern Albania its the same logic applied as yours when it comes to the name macedonia

@andrejanastasovski1189

6 жыл бұрын

If Albanians are more that 25% why did they boycott the census in 2012 ?

@amarildorexhepi6043

6 жыл бұрын

If you are macedonian you know...because it was rigged by your nationalist government! The albanian parties all called for a boycott because the government wouldnt count the Albanians who were abroad temporarily! So you can imagine if we were 25% in the 2002 (also rigged census) how many we are today given also the fertility rates of Albanians which are much higher the the declining macedonian...also dont forge the gypsies and turks...

Throughout the Middle Ages and up until the early 20th century the Slavic speaking majority in the Region of Macedonia was more commonly referred to (both, by themselves and outsiders) as Bulgarians.

@filipvelkov6829

3 жыл бұрын

Both by themselves? If you want to smear something, you are stooping so low, because you probably cannot make up an intellectual argument - of which there are plenty that should be considered, but you don’t have that capacity so you resort to commenting crap. You’re not worth arguing with, I don’t think you can grasp complex issues, like a child sort of. Sorry, you’re not credible enough to pay attention to.

@Peterkonto

3 жыл бұрын

Credibility is in the eye of the beholder when even your own ministers in Skopje agree upon the fact that you where bulgarians before 1944..During Yogoslavia time it was done a lot to wash the brain on the Bulgarians of Macedonia. The French scientist proved few years ago that Macedonia speak a BULGARIAN DIALECT. I personally do not mind if Macedonia wants to be independent but they are stealing Bulgarian and Greek hystory and identity which is a shame. ..

@filipvelkov6829

3 жыл бұрын

@@Peterkonto Credibility is in the eye of the beholder? What a statement, review it, go over it, reevaluate it.... Think about what you said, then come back.

@Peterkonto

3 жыл бұрын

@@filipvelkov6829 ..It means the perception of truth is subjective, only on your behalf who deny your slavic middle age history in the Balkans but would rather place yourselfs with the ancient Macedonian dynasty that has nothing whatsoever to do with slavic history or it's slavic people that entered the Balkans in the 6th century after the demise of the ancient macedonians..

@YY-wc8nd

3 жыл бұрын

@ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ is МАКЕДОНИЈА You are NOT Macedonian you are Bulgarian Macedonia is Greece FYROM - North Macedonia is Bulgarian "Carte ethnigraphique de la Turquie d'Europe et des etats vassaux autonomes" Guillaume Lejean, 1861 i.imgur.com/3yQhTdZ.jpg "Этнографическая карта славянскихь народностей" Михаил Ф. Миркович, 1867 i.imgur.com/eOxyx7x.jpg "The Turks, the Greeks and the Slavons. Travels in the Slavonic Provinces of Turkey-in-Europe" G. Muir Mackenzie and A. P. Irby, London, 1867 i.imgur.com/vVNEMA9.jpg "Мара Slovanskègo Svèta" Karel Jaromir Erben, 1868 i.imgur.com/jH8TeHF.jpg "Nouvelle Géographie Universelle" Élisée Reclus, 1876 i.imgur.com/T1wkC7o.jpg "Ethnographische Übersicht des europäischen Orients / zusammengestellt" H. Kiepert, Berlin, im Mai 1876 i.imgur.com/NnDyK49.jpg "Carte Ethnographique de la Turquie d'Europe" A. Synvet, 1877 i.imgur.com/NPN3Sbm.jpg "Ethnographische Karte der der Europäischen Türkei und ihrer Dependenzen zu Anfang des Jahres" Carl Sax, 1877 i.imgur.com/78KmjLy.jpg "Ethnographical Map of Turkey in Europe" Ernst Ravenstein, 1880 i.imgur.com/JaTn2Yb.jpg "Peoples at the Balkan Peninsula" Andrees Allgemeiner Handatlas, 1st Edition, Leipzig, 1881 i.imgur.com/Ns38Klw.jpg "Ethnographische Karte der sudwestlichen Balkanhalbinsel" Dr Gustav Weigand. Leipzig, 1890 i.imgur.com/5ea8vh4.jpg "Карта Славянскихь Народностей" Н. С. Зарянко, Санкт Петербург, 1890 i.imgur.com/mK7q7Go.jpg "Ethnographische Karte von Makedonien, Deutsche Rundschau für Geographie und Statistik Bd. XXI" Friedrich Meinhard, 1899 i.imgur.com/9BCwlQt.jpg "Populations de la peninsule des Balkans, Institut Geographique de Paris" Ch. Delagrave, 1899 i.imgur.com/rYyEOwn.jpg "Narodopisna mapa Slovanstva, Slovanské starožitnosti" Lubor Niderle, 1902 i.imgur.com/dDZ5ovH.jpg ---------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitola_inscription "In the year 6523 since the creation of the world [1015/1016? CE], this fortress, built and made by Ivan, Tsar of Bulgaria" "This Tsar was Bulgarian by birth, grandson of the pious Nikola and Ripsimia, son of Aaron, who was brother of Samuil, Tsar of Bulgaria" ---------------- www.britannica.com/topic/Internal-Macedonian-Revolutionary-Organization "IMRO was founded in 1893 in Thessaloníki; its early leaders included Damyan Gruev, Gotsé Delchev, and Yane Sandanski, men who had a Macedonian regional identity and a Bulgarian national identity. " ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=ZmesOn_HhfEC&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA39#v=onepage&q&f=false “The interwar Serbian (and later Yugoslav) government attempted quite unsuccessfully to “Serbianize” the Slavs of Yugoslav Macedonia, who generally defined themselves as Bulgarians, but who were officially referred to as South Serbs by the Yugoslav government.” Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loring_Danforth ---------------- www.scribd.com/document/61993141/History-of-the-Balkans-Vol-2-Twentieth-Century-the-Joint-Committee-on-Eastern-Europe-Publication-Series-No-12 Page 103 in pdf/91 in book : "However, in the nineteenth century the term Macedonian was used almost exclusively to refer to the geographic region; the Macedonians were usually not considered a nationality separate from the Bulgarians, Greeks, Serbs, or Albanians. The diplomatic records of the period make no clear mention of a separate Macedonian nation. At the time of the Constantinople conference of 1876 and the Congress of Berlin, as we have seen, the represen-tatives of the great powers considered the region to be of an extremely mixed ethnic composition, but predominantly Bulgarian." Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Jelavich ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=48NyoQdOWH0C&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q&f=false "In interviews with elderly Vlah-speakers, I was told that their language has no way to distinguish "Macedonian" and "Bulgarian" as ethnic terms, using v'rg'ri to translate both. The term has a clear etymological connection with Bulgar, and this upsets younger people who have grown up in Yugoslav or post-Yugoslav Macedonia, where the difference between Macedonian and Bulgarian became a matter of concern." Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Brown_(linguist) ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=-7TgkO8utHIC&lpg=PP13&ots=en&pg=PA236#v=onepage&q&f=false "Up until the early twentieth century, the international community viewed Macedonians as a regional variety of Bulgarians, i.e. Western Bulgarians. However, during the Paris Peace Conference of 1919 the Allies sanctioned Serbian control of much of Macedonia because they accepted the belief that Macedonians were in fact Southern Serbs. This extraordinary change in opinion can largely be attributed to one man, Jovan Cvijić, a prominent geographer at the University of Belgrade." Author - www.researchgate.net/profile/George_White8 ---------------- humstatic.uchicago.edu/mahimahi/media/faculty/vfriedm/164Friedman01.pdf "The authors of this period(1794-1840) in both Macedonia and Bulgaria called their vernacular language "Bulgarian"." - in the 2nd page of the pdf at the end of paragraph (1). Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Friedman ---------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Macedonian_Matters "Za makedonckite raboti (Cyrillic script: За македонцките работи, English translation: On Macedonian Matters) is a book written by Krste Misirkov and published in 1903 in Sofia, Bulgaria. The book presents the author's views towards the Macedonian Question, and explores the sense of national belonging and nеed for affirmation of the Macedonians as a separate people. The book marked the first complete outline of the Macedonian language as a separate and proposed the need for its codification." books.google.com/books?id=ZmesOn_HhfEC&lpg=PP1&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q&f=false "Finally, Krste Misirkov, who had clearly developed a strong sense of his own personal national identity as a Macedonian and who outspokenly and unambiguously called for Macedonian linguistic and national separatism, acknowledged that a 'Macedonian' national identity was a relatively recent historical development. In On Macedonian Matters, published in 1903, Misirkov, referring to himself and other Slavs of Macedonia in the first person plural, admits repeatedly that "our fathers, grandfathers, and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians" and that "in the past we have even called ourselves Bulgarians" (1974:27, 150)." Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loring_Danforth ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=Y0NBxG9Id58C&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA37&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false "Until the late 19th century both outside observers and those Bulgaro-Macedonians who had an ethnic consciousness believed that their group, which is now two separate nationalities, comprised a single people, the Bulgarians. Thus the reader should ignore references to ethnic Macedonians in the Middle ages which appear in some modern works. In the Middle Ages and into the 19th century, the term 'Macedonian' was used entirely in reference to a geographical region. Anyone who lived within its confines, regardless of nationality could be called a Macedonian. Nevertheless, the absence of a national consciousness in the past is no grounds to reject the Macedonians as a nationality today." Author - lsa.umich.edu/history/people/emeritus/jvafine.html ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=bSxHgej4tKMC&printsec=frontcover&hl=en&pg=PA431#v=onepage&q&f=false "Macedonian was not distinguished from Bulgarian for most of its history. Constantine and Methodius came from Macedonian Thessaloniki; their old Bulgarian is therefore at the same time 'Old Macedonian'. No Macedonian literature dates from earlier than the nineteenth century, when a nationalist movement came to the fore and a literacy language was established, first written with Greek letters, then in Cyrillic. From the point of view of Bulgaria, Macedonian is simply a west Bulgarian dialect." Author - lsa.umich.edu/classics/people/departmental-faculty/fortsonb.html ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=MZcCA4hkwscC&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA189#v=onepage&q&f=false “What made Parlichev adopt the Bulgarian nationalist cause was the fate of the Miladinov brothers, one of whom had been his Greek teacher at school in Ohrid. In 1861 the brothers had published a collection of Bulgarian Macedonian songs in Zagreb, dedicated to Joseph Strossmayer, Catholic bishop of Diakovar[Djakovo], who was an active supporter of the pan-Slavist movement.” Author - oxford.academia.edu/PeterMackridge ---------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Report_of_the_International_Commission_on_the_Balkan_Wars "The International Commission consisted of university professors and other prominent individuals from France, Great Britain, United States, Germany, Austria and Russia. Among the members of the Commission there were three Nobel Prize winners.[1]" archive.org/details/reportofinternat00inteuoft/page/50/mode/2up The most important part is between pages 50 and 57.

Some people think that we have a connection with ancient Macedonia, but I presume that the more educated ones admit that we are Slavs. It’s not bad to be part of the Slavic culture, of the Russian culture. It is a pride. But the damage has already been done, and it will take decades to alter such perception,” Dragi Gjorgiev, director of the Institute of Macedonian History, told journalists in late 2018...

@user-vv6bw7cn6q

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, I see no reason why they deny their cultural and national Identity , there is nothing wrong in my opinion with people of Slavic origins.... We also have people of Slavic origins in Greece and nobody feels or talk bad about them. In my opinion North Macedonia does a big mistake by denying its Slavic origins.

@tatjanavelkova5814

3 ай бұрын

@@user-vv6bw7cn6q.............................. GJUBRE .

i see some of these comments and i lose faith in humanity

@dvopek11

4 жыл бұрын

Eternal 98 same dude same

@jmasters7515

4 жыл бұрын

It’s bad enough that these things happened in the balkans, never mind the fact that people who aren’t connected to the situation in any way argue about and try to justify these events on the internet 20 years later

@ph9692

4 жыл бұрын

@@jmasters7515 U DONT NEED TO JUSTIFY NOTHING..HISTORIANS KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE GREEK ARCHEOLOGICAL FINDINGS ARE ALL OVER THE WORLD..ALEXANDER THE GREAT WAS GREEK EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT AND EVERYONE LEARNS THAT IN SCHOOL .ALBANIANS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH MAKEDONIA..AND NOTHING TO CLAIM FOR .AND THE MASONS THAT RULE US GAVE THEM THE NAME FOR POLITICAL REASONS ONLY....!!! .THATS A FACT!!

@Lion-rs2qy

4 жыл бұрын

@@ph9692 I'm with you , and I just can't help myself , but very recent , Archeologists and historians just made a huge breakthrough and Discovery that concerns where the Etruscans came from , for they already new what land they Occupied which was between central and south of Italy. The discovery came with a successful DNA Test showing that the Etruscans have a very close relative with DNA a perfect Match With the Turks . They showed Three languages, Etruscan Albanian English The Etruscan and Albanian languages were pretty much A match word for word and a lot of Letters and words exactly the Same . The CROATION LANGUAGE Is identical to Albanian. And there you have it

@ph9692

4 жыл бұрын

@@Lion-rs2qy we all know the truth my friend..they know it too they just dont want to admit it..and the propaganda is huge in their country...we dont need the propaganda. We know our histoty its written all over europe to asia..i dont know what name are they claming for..we didnt even know what albanian meant until they came to greece and started to destroy everything..!!hopefully other countries will find out soon what they are all about..before its too late..😉🌹

A question to our Slavic "Macedonian" neighbors. When you visit the Macedonian ancient ruins in your country... can you read the inscriptions? Why can't you, while i'm Greek and I can?

@fartmanmk

5 жыл бұрын

@ George Bethanis.I am sorry but that is a load of nonsense .Do you know in what language wrote the great Homer or even Plato?Well if you do your homework you will find out its not so clear and simple as one would suppose so.It is actually a very interesting topic and I kindly recommend to do some research on that.

@ph9692

4 жыл бұрын

@@fartmanmk DO U KNOW IN WHAT LANGUAGE HOMER WROTE..BECAUSE THEY STILL TEACH HOMER IN GREEK SCHOOLS..NOT IN FAKE MONKEYDONIA!!

@georgebethanis3188

3 жыл бұрын

@@fartmanmk Well... we do ancient Greek for years in Greek public school, junior high and high school. We all read the ancient Greek texts of Herodotus, Plato, Aristotle, Homer especially and many more. We all read and understand ancient Greek. Can you? No of course, because you speak Bulgarian.

@TheYoutubaki

2 жыл бұрын

@@fartmanmk Most Greeks can. Ancient Greek and Modern Greek aren't that far off. Even if the meanings of some words have changed, some words have been preserved LETTER FOR LETTER, and therefore can be read by a modern day Greek person. Not to mention that Ancient Greek is regularly taught in Greek schools.

@tatjanavelkova5814

3 ай бұрын

@@ph9692 MONKEYDONIA ? ? guska @.

North Monkedonians are of Tatar Turk Mongolian descent and have Arabic names.

The two prevailing languages of the FYROM are Burgarian (Macedonian) and Albanian. Which of those two languages Philip the second of Alexander the Great spoke? Please advice

@milanfras4934

2 жыл бұрын

Makedonski,obviously.

@deathmax1018

2 жыл бұрын

Philip and Alexander both spoke greek, Bulgarian is a Slavic language that came from the cyrilic alphabet abou 1100 years after Alexander the Greats death,albanian was kinda spoken by the ilirians the neighbors of Kingdom of Macedonia.If you want proof that Philip and Alexander spoke greek you need to know that Alexander the Great was taught by Aristotle arguably the greatest mind of greece.I hope I've helped you have a nice rest of your life

@mnimeion

2 жыл бұрын

Greek

@tatjanavelkova5814

3 ай бұрын

@@deathmax1018 ALEXANDER and FILIP ARE MACEDONIANS. enjoy ! !

@rossfun9840

2 ай бұрын

@@tatjanavelkova5814 ALEXANDER and FILIP were GREEK Macedonians not BULGARIANS AS YOU ENJOY BULGARIAN TROLL !!!

Macedonians are a Hellenic people group according to the Australian educational system in NSW

@MojoBonzo

6 жыл бұрын

ofc they dont... we just speak greek because it was sooooo soooo useful to speak greek during the ottoman period... it opened so many doors... you can see how much the turks respected the greek culture in anatolia, from the millions of greeks that still live there for more than 3 milleniums right now... oh wait...

@stasko21

6 жыл бұрын

Hail Giratina The true god then do you think that these Slavs are actually the ancestors of Alexander the great???

@gv8840

6 жыл бұрын

and what australia know on the matter stupid

@ph9692

4 жыл бұрын

@@stasko21 NO WAY!!!

@ph9692

4 жыл бұрын

@J M FIRST OF ALL U DONT KNOW HOW TO WRITE ENGLISH GO BACK TO UR MONKEYDONIAN SCHOOL TO START ALLOVER AGAIN..IGNORANT IDIOT!!!

I know cultural appropriation is a bit of meme but this actually feels like it’s a appropriate description of the FYRM claiming people like Alexander the Great which are without doubt Greek

@franknwalters

6 жыл бұрын

worldsbestskiinstructor Dr David Gordon Mitten, Dr James Loeb, Professors of Classical Art and Archaeology, *Harvard* University _"...We do not understand how the modern inhabitants of ancient _*_Paeonia_*_ ( the region the 1991 self-declared Republic of "Macedonia" is settled ), who speak Slavic - a language _*_and people introduced into the Balkans about a millennium after the death of Alexander_*_ - can claim him as their national hero. Alexander the Great was thoroughly and indisputably Greek..."_

@TT-sr4mu

6 жыл бұрын

@worldsbestskiinstructor That's a nice propaganda youtube channel with nice video series full of propaganda lies, and arguments based on information taken out of context. That channel does not even allow commentary to let people counter argue those fake claims. There is no historian in this world backing up FYROM's claims about their lies. "FYROM" is distorting history.

@Cyime

6 жыл бұрын

worldsbestskiinstructor imagine being such a irrelevant group of people that you that you have to steal another group of people’s culture this is basically “we wuz kangs” Slav Edition.

@janeza382

6 жыл бұрын

Same can be applied to modern Greeks who claim ancient Hellenic world for them self

Another beautiful Mosque🇲🇰🇹🇷 is Murat Pasha Bey Mosque in FYROM Vardarska Banovina , one of the more than 600 Mosques in FYROM with opened doors for the worshippers

In all historical books including the old books from the Ottoman Empire mention isn't made of any Macedonian Slavic nation lived in these lands, but of Bulgarians 🇧🇬🇲🇰🇲🇰🇧🇬 from Macedonian region.

In ancient times southern Italy which was colonised by Greeks went by the name of MAGNA GRAECIA (Great Greece).

@SilentHillk

4 жыл бұрын

@Jd Pv no iq in your brain.

@user-mz4zg8uv9x

4 жыл бұрын

@Jd Pv about your profile pic Thessaloniki and Chalkidiki will always be ours.You can't conquer someone with 1 helicopter that you've got in your army P.S..now there is now tsipras to save you

@7ultras157

3 жыл бұрын

@Jd Pv Macedonia is and will always be GREEK

@jodii.6

3 жыл бұрын

@Jd Pv if you believe that greece existed since 1830 just because it was our date of independence,then you're brainless. What were the Byzantines? Athenes? Spartans? Macedonian themselves? You say that a whole 7,000 years of history is fake? From the Cycladic civilization from ~3,000 B.C. to Mycenaeans and so on. It has been proven that they were greek tribes with simmilar cultures. Also, Macedonia is also a greek word for "The land of the tall people". Μακε- ,which means length and -δων,land or earth. Μακε is simmilar to today's word, Μήκος,as said before,it means length. -δων is simmilar to Έδαφος, ground,earth,land. How can you explain these ones? Ps. I want you to answer me some simple question,in which script did they wrote in?

@ontherun9979

3 жыл бұрын

@ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ is МАКЕДОНИЈА I have a question. Are you saying that all these words are of slavic-macedonian etymology?

I can totally understand why someone from the Republic might be attached to the name, but for them to imagine they are the Macedonians of ancient history and expect the actual Macedonians to go along with it is, to me, as absurd as Mormon missionaries trying to convince native Americans they are the descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel.

@dollar1889

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed. It's revisionist, expansionist nonsense.

@MacedonianAlwaysGreek

6 жыл бұрын

Encyclopedia of World Geography, Volume 1, 2006, p.564: “[FYRO]Macedonian nationalism, as distinct *from other South Slavic* peoples is, moreover, a relatively new concept, *introduced and encouraged by dictator Josip Tito,* upon *the creation of a separate Macedonian Republic within the Yugoslav federation in 1946.* Prior to this, the area generally known as *Vardarska banovina* (_the district of the Vardar river_) was considered simply an extension of its southern Slavic neighbors, either Serbians to the north, or Bulgarians to the east. Slavs arrived in the Balkan Peninsula only in the 6th century AD, and therefore *have nothing to do with the well-known classical kingdom of Macedonia, which dominated the rest of Greece,* the Near East, Egypt and Persia under Alexander the Great in the 4th century BCE.”

@goforit7774

6 жыл бұрын

Slavic language arrived in the 6th century AD. Obviously Macedonians are partly descendants of Ancient Macedonians just like Greeks and many other people in the world are.

@MacedonianAlwaysGreek

6 жыл бұрын

No, they are not! FYROMians are Slavs and they cluster together with the Bulgarians and are close to Serbs and Croats. (Journal of Human Genetics 52, 2007, "Y-STR variation among Slavs: evidence for the Slavic homeland in the middle Dnieper basin", Krzysztof Rębała, Alexei I. Mikulich, Iosif S. Tsybovsky, Daniela Siváková, Zuzana Džupinková, Aneta Szczerkowska-Dobosz, Zofia Szczerkowska, www.nature.com/jhg/journal/v52/n5/pdf/jhg200754a.pdf )

@franknwalters

6 жыл бұрын

FROM MACEDONIA FOR MACEDONIA Prof. Miroslav Grcev, Member of the FYRMacedonian government, Live on Camera, Nov.2017 _"...The "Macedonian" State was _*_literally invented_*_ during the end of the WW2 (1945) within Yugoslavia. In this framework _*_for the first time in history_*_ the 'macedonian' _*_nation,_*_ the 'macedonian' _*_culture,_*_ the 'macedonian' _*_language,_*_ the 'macedonian' _*_history_*_ and the 'macedonian' symbols _*_were also invented and emancipated._*_ Today this (historical truth) is forbidden. And nowadays, on almost a national level as a society, we are in a very backwards and horrible process of self-annihilation, placing ourselves in the prenatal period of Macedonia..."_

Abdul Mehmet Hassan,typical Fyromian dude.

How the Germans bailed out Greece It is a slow day in a little Greek Village. The rain is beating down and the streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody lives on credit. On this particular day a rich German tourist is driving through the village, stops at the local hotel and lays a €100 note on the desk, telling the hotel owner he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one to spend the night. The owner gives him some keys and, as soon as the visitor has walked upstairs, the hotelier grabs the €100 note and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher. The butcher takes the €100 note and runs down the street to repay his debt to the pig farmer. The pig farmer takes the €100 note and heads off to pay his bill at the supplier of feed and fuel. The guy at the Farmers' Co-op takes the €100 note and runs to pay his drinks bill at the taverna. The publican slips the money along to the local pr@stitute drinking at the bar, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer him 'services' on credit. The h@@ker then rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill to the hotel owner with the €100 note. The hotel proprietor then places the €100 note back on the counter so the rich traveller will not suspect anything. At that moment the traveller comes down the stairs, picks up the €100 note, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, pockets the money, and leaves town. No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole village is now out of debt and looking to the future with a lot more optimism.

@franknwalters

4 жыл бұрын

It's a cloudy silent morning in Skopje, the capital of SlavoMacedonia. *Suddenly* a voice breaks the silence: _"...The (Slavo)"Macedonian" State was literally _*_INVENTED_*_ and founded during the end of the WW2 (1945) within Yugoslavia. In this framework _*_for the first time in history_*_ the 'macedonian' _*_NATION,_*_ the 'macedonian' _*_CULTURE,_*_ the 'macedonian' _*_LANGUAGE,_*_ the 'macedonian' _*_HISTORY_*_ and the 'macedonian' SYMBOLS _*_were also INVENTED and emancipated._*_ Today this (historical truth) is _*_forbidden._*_ And nowadays, on almost a national level as a society, we are in a very backwards and horrible process of self-annihilation, placing ourselves in the prenatal period of Macedonia..."_ Prof. Miroslav Grcev, Member of SlavoMacedonia's government, Live on Camera, Nov. 2017

A country younger than most people, should not claim the history of another country.

@leungchoihung2465

6 жыл бұрын

>claim history

@nikolasgialias1130

6 жыл бұрын

JOHN KONSTANTINIDIS YOU ARE RIGHT

@OsirusHandle

6 жыл бұрын

Vardar-Macedonians actually believe they are part greek and descendents of ancient macedonians. Their government even prints such blatant lies in their text books.

@fantasticfour8362

6 жыл бұрын

A person with a IQ lower than 12,should stay quiet.

@klasobanieras4611

6 жыл бұрын

SirusKing those who feel "macedonians" are part greek for sure!!!

Being from Croatia myself, I congratulate you WonderWhy for accurately presenting this issue, as well as breakup of Yugoslavia. Good job!

I think the name for the country could be Slavic-Nacedonia

@hellothere8121

2 жыл бұрын

I think your name should be Comedy King 2021

@janeza382

11 ай бұрын

Republic of Macedonia. Macedonia and its people was divided 1913 by Romanticized imperialistic puppet kingdoms.

[David H Levinson, Encyclopaedia of World Cultures, p. 239] *_"It should be noted that there is NO CONNECTION between the ancient Macedonians of the time of Alexander the Great who were related to other Greek [Hellenic] tribes, and the so-called modern "Macedonians" of today of the the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia [North Macedonia] who are of Slavic origin and related to the Bulgarians"_*

Imagine the wester part of Afghanistan becomes independent and then call itself Persia, with schools and stadium and squares called Darius the Great etc... how would Iran feel about it? Isn't that stealing an identity of another country and culture? Even tho Afghanistan used to be part of Persian Empire. Im with Greece on this one.

@1GTX1

6 жыл бұрын

What about Egypt

@boptillyouflop

6 жыл бұрын

Don't care. The name of "FYROM" is already settled in English. Everybody calls it "Macedonia". Nobody cares about the history, that people in Macedonia are essentially South-Eastern Serbo-Croats, we just need a name for the piece of land that English speakers agree on, no matter how much Greeks flip out over it. Yes it's cultural appropriation. We don't care.

@VALDIGNE

6 жыл бұрын

with the only difference that Western Afghanistan still speaks Persian language and cheerishes their heritage while Slavs from Fyrom hate Greek communities , changed their names and erased their culture.

@dimg75

6 жыл бұрын

Ancient Macedonia was considered as Greece

@janeza382

6 жыл бұрын

Ancient Macedonia existed but there was no such thing named as Greece in the ancient

Very good video man, I'm from one of these two countries and I can say your video was accurate and fair. Especially impressive considering how sensitive the issue and language used can be, well done. I felt the end is maybe ever so slightly unbalanced in favour of North Macedonia but you did a better job than 99% of professional journalists that have covered this issue. Well done !

Look, im not trying to be rude but i am just trying to be logical, so first of all, about the name...The territory that we live in, is a part of the big region Macedonia, and since we live here for many years, we cant call our country, lets say Indonesia, because North Macedonia is where we live in, and i suggest that the best and the most logical name for our country is North Slavic Macedonia, or just Slavic Macedonia, they are the most logical ones based on the territory and the people that live there,Republic Of Vardarska is not bad, but its a very big change.And about Alexander, you are right, we have nothing to do with him, slavic people came in these areas many years after his existance...And for all greek people saying we are greek or bulgarian,no we are not, we came from the slavic tribes that came into this north of macedonia and south macedonia, such as Bersitians,Strumians,Velegesits, Rhinhinians and many more, today a big part of people who live in South Macedonia have slavic origins, they just dont know that

@quan-uo5ws

3 жыл бұрын

or just reunite macedonia with Bulgaria. Boom, naming controversy solved, and macedonians wont have to make up a fake history.

@user-ku2xp3qm6j

3 жыл бұрын

@@quan-uo5ws Yeah sure, a typical comment that an angry person with no argument would type...

@quan-uo5ws

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-ku2xp3qm6j yes im very angry i almost destroyed my keyboard writing this

@user-ku2xp3qm6j

3 жыл бұрын

@@quan-uo5ws Maybe you are not, but you are dumb, that s for sure!

@user-ku2xp3qm6j

3 жыл бұрын

@@nightowlmuse729 Ironically enough im not even 18, and most people that argue with greeks are 40+...

I am Fyromian ,I have no reason to support Greece,just telling the truth.

@longingforthesouth9198

11 ай бұрын

you have plenty of Romani people (Gypsies) in Greece, too. It's just Greece doesn't recognize any other ethnic groups except Greeks, so the Romas are counted as Greeks.

@thebalkanhistorian.3205

11 ай бұрын

@@longingforthesouth9198not true but you’re uneducated so I don’t blame you. Greece has not taken an ethnic census in a long time. The recognized (Turkish) Muslim minority has tons of exclusive rights.

Welp, I guess I'll see you in 2 months.

@zomzcheezy8958

6 жыл бұрын

John A. Zoidberg *Years

@jamescusack6511

6 жыл бұрын

John A. Zoidberg more like 2 years hehehe

Encyclopedia of World Geography, Volume 1, 2006, p.564: “[FYRO]Macedonian nationalism, as distinct *from other South Slavic* peoples is, moreover, a relatively new concept, *introduced and encouraged by dictator Josip Tito,* upon *the creation of a separate Macedonian Republic within the Yugoslav federation in 1946.* Prior to this, the area generally known as *Vardarska banovina* (the district of the Vardar river) was considered simply an extension of its southern Slavic neighbors, either Serbians to the north, or Bulgarians to the east. Slavs arrived in the Balkan Peninsula only in the 6th century AD, and therefore *have nothing to do with the well-known classical kingdom of Macedonia, which dominated the rest of Greece,* the Near East, Egypt and Persia under Alexander the Great in the 4th century BCE.”

@MacedonianAlwaysGreek

6 жыл бұрын

Hahaha, nice joke! The "Sub-Saharan" origin of the Greeks comes from a *dropped* research (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11260506) by Antonio Arnaiz-Villena (2001), *which was relating Islanders to Congolese, Greeks to Africans, Africans to Japanese etc.!* It has been presented and it is used *only by the nationalists of the FYROM* as a “proof” that the Greeks nowadays are... sub-Saharan Africans, in order to defame Greeks. :) FYROMians are using it to “prove” that the modern Greeks don't relate with their ancient ancestors, while FYROMians themselves cannot, of course, establish a relation between them and the ancient Macedonians, since FYROMians are Slavs who arrived in the Balkans in the 6th and 7th centuries AD, that's *a whole 1000 years after the demise of the ancient Macedonian kingdom.* :)) *This 2002 paper* entitled "Dropped genetics paper lacked scientific merit" as shown here: www.readcube.com/articles/10.1038/415115b which was published in “Nature” journal, *trashed* the Arnaiz-Villena research (which, once more, was relating Islanders to Congolese, Greeks to Africans, Africans to Japanese etc.) to oblivion and made it an *international joke* amongst the academic community. Just read the last three paragraphs of the paper: “Even a cursory look at the paper’s diagrams and trees immediately indicates that the authors make some extraordinary claims. They used a single genetic marker, HLA DRB1, for their analysis to construct a genealogical tree and map of 28 populations from Europe, the Middle East, Africa and Japan. *Using results from the analysis of a single marker, particularly one likely to have undergone selection, for the purpose of reconstructing genealogies is unreliable and unacceptable practice in population genetics. The limitations are made evident by the authors’ extraordinary observations that Greeks are very similar to Ethiopians and east Africans but very distant from other south Europeans; and that the Japanese are nearly identical to west and south Africans. It is surprising that the authors were not puzzled by these anomalous results, which contradict history, geography, anthropology and all prior population-genetic studies of these groups. Surely the ordinary process of refereeing would have saved the field from this dispute. We believe that the paper should have been refused for publication on the simple grounds that it lacked scientific merit.”* (Neil Risch, Alberto Piazza, L. Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Department of Genetics, Stanford University School of Medicine, Stanford, California 94305, USA, Department of Genetics, Biology and Biochemistry, University of Torino, Via Santena 19, 10126 Torino, Italy) Nature 415115b, 10 January 2002, © Macmillan Publishers Ltd, www.nature.com/nature/journal/v415/n6868/full/415115b.html: Dropped genetics paper lacked scientific merit. people.img.cas.cz/vaclav-horejsi/documents/ruzne/Dropped_genetics_paper_Nature.pdf The publication of the Arnaiz-Villena research created *such scandal* among the scientific society of geneticists, *that the editor of the magazine which published it was forced to apologise to the scientists and readers of the magazine.* He actually proposed the readers of his magazine to *physically tear apart those pages from the magazine!* However, FYROMian nationalists continue to use it... :) On the contrary, see Genographic project geno 2.0 results, available to view on Wikipedia. There is *zero sub-Saharan admixture in Greek DNA.* en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genographic_Project "As would be expected, FYROMacedonians and Greeks clustered with other European populations on genetic maps, far from the aggregation of North African and sub-Saharan groups. *Although these results have not stopped FYROMacedonian nationalists from proclaiming their lineage superior to that of the Greeks, they effectively neutralize the earlier study, leaving FYROMacedonians bereft of scientific support for their claims."* (azure.org.il/include/print.php?id=30 )

@MacedonianAlwaysGreek

6 жыл бұрын

*FYROMians and Bulgarians cluster together and they are close to Serbs and Croats.* (Journal of Human Genetics 52, 2007, "Y-STR variation among Slavs: evidence for the Slavic homeland in the middle Dnieper basin", Krzysztof Rębała, Alexei I. Mikulich, Iosif S. Tsybovsky, Daniela Siváková, Zuzana Džupinková, Aneta Szczerkowska-Dobosz, Zofia Szczerkowska, www.nature.com/jhg/journal/v52/n5/pdf/jhg200754a.pdf ) Two studies (Oscar Lao et al 2008 and Novembre et al 2008) documenting the genetic relatedness of Europeans using autosomal single nucleotide polymorphisms showed *Slav “Macedonians” clustered very closely to Bulgarians.* (Novembre J., Johnson T., Bryc K., et al. [2008]. Genes mirror geography within Europe. Nature 456: 98-101, www.nature.com/nature/journal/v456/n7218/full/nature07331.html ) "Phylogenetic and correspondence analysis showed that *Bulgarians are more closely related to 'Slav-macedonians' of FYROM than to any other European populations or middle-Eastern people living near the Mediterranean.* The HLA -A -B -DRB1 allele and haplogroup diversity defined by high resolution DNA methods confirm that the Bulgarian population is characterized by features of southern Slavic anthropological type with some influence of additional ethnic groups." (Bulgarian DNA project; Evgeni Delev) Last and best, the six-year long DNA research of the Balkan peoples *conducted by FYROM's* “Skopje Forensics Medicine Institute” which confirmed that the residents of the so called "Republic of Macedonia" (FYROM) who claim they are - and want others to call them - "ethnic Macedonians", *are, of course, Slavs* (hence NOT real Macedonians who were and are Greeks) *and have the most similar DNA with Bulgarians and Serbs.* Forensic Science International: Genetics, Volume 5, Issue 4, Pages e108-e111, August 2011, Genetic data for 17 Y-chromosomal STR loci in Macedonians in the Republic of Macedonia, Zlatko Jakovski, Ksenija Nikolova, Renata Jankova-Ajanovska, Damir Marjanovic, Naris Pojskic, Biljana Janeska www.fsigenetics.com/article/S1872-4973%2811%2900079-2/fulltext PS: Greetings to the Republic North of Macedonia! :D

@MacedonianAlwaysGreek

6 жыл бұрын

greek-dna-sub-saharan-myth.org/greek-dna.html

@franknwalters

6 жыл бұрын

worldsbestskiinstructor _"...Stop your propaganda..."_ Ljubomir Frckovski, then Leader of FYROM's Socialist Political Party, former Minister of Internal Affairs, ON CAMERA _"...One small group of _*_historians and political fraudsters_*_ in our country managed to impose throughout the media, a hysterical discourse about our identity, which created a great damage to the state. They turned Macedonia into their project, I would say into a country of ridicule, and everybody laughs at us... _*_Fraudulent_*_ history concepts cannot help us. These people are trying to present us, as _*_super-ancient Slavs_*_ who never migrated, but always were here and used the slavic language that we speak. _*_These frauds and hallucinations varies from meaningless, to absurd, to totaly absurd illusions..."_*

@MacedonianAlwaysGreek

6 жыл бұрын

Archbishop Jovan VI of Ohrid (orthodoxwiki.org/Jovan_VI_%28Vrani%C5%A1kovski%29_of_Ohrid): "Communists arrived and made a history. And we are living to this day, actually, *with the forgery they imposed.* Some people, normally, are investigating the issue. It's impossible that in the internet era everyone to be blind. However, most [people] unfortunately failed to notice that *many 'facts', which are accepted as history today in [FYRO]Macedonia, are forgeries."* kzread.info/dash/bejne/aWeBp7N6ebqqpqg.html

Eid al-Fitr,typical day in Fyrom.

Hassan Mehmet or Burlak mayor of Skopje, FYROM.

Really weird that a bunch of Bulgarians, Serbs and Albanians living in that area want the name Macedonia, which belongs to Greece.

@Random30014

6 жыл бұрын

As a Bulgarian I am baffled that my country agreed to that name. As victims of history stealing from FYROM we should be fully aware how ridiculous it is to accept this name

@Dorminaru.

6 жыл бұрын

I've seen a couple of times Bulgarians saying "FYROM is Bulgaria". It would make much more sense if FYROM wasn't a country, and the land would be shared to Serbia, Bulgaria and Albania (or even Greece).

@Random30014

6 жыл бұрын

Yup, I would be fine with an equal 4-part split

@enoughisenoughenough4037

6 жыл бұрын

It won't be, because this country has Turkey, Erdogan back up. Turkey is playing dirty games in the Balkans, as always.

@Dorminaru.

6 жыл бұрын

EnoughIsEnough Enough true that

The funny thing is that Bulgaria does not even recognize them as Macedonians and both speak the same language. Albanians within Macedonia also want to be recognized and are denied by the government even their Albanian language. It is landlocked and small economy which Greece is a major investor. Greece is also probably the only country in Balkans to have legally state that it also ensures their neighbours territorial integrity. Bit ironic eh? If issue is not solve, the country will be worse in a decade then it ever was and a growing ethnic Albanian population that will seek to split with Albania in future. Military is non existent, so being part of NATO serves what?. Only Greece and Turkey are massive militaries in the Balkan region. And both hate each others guts. So Greece can technically let Macedonia implode internally over time and no one will help them. It's just a matter of time.

@sakhsdragunof

6 жыл бұрын

That's true, Greek businesses are all over Skopje, plus the Greek harbor is open for Skopjian guys to trade, imagine what would happen if all these where just gone.

@HandsomeStranger1963

6 жыл бұрын

the greek harbor is Chinese owned and your mining industry(1 mine) is Canadian owned, then they would use other ports. and roads. and greeks would lose jobs. grrk businesses all over Macedonia? there are no greek businesses in Greece. you own nothing. just the clothes on your backs. your still all delusional now find yourselves another name. Bulgaria, Macedonia, turkey and Albania all have there real identities. it is you with the non historic name. yet another banana republic created by the BEIC.

@HandsomeStranger1963

6 жыл бұрын

and why is that funny FISOG doesn't recognize them. but all have real names not like Greece which is not historic. just renaissance convenience. and Greece is not an investor. you are bankrupt all that was yours is now someone elses.

@sakhsdragunof

6 жыл бұрын

Lol 1: I guess you never traveled in southern Vardashka and 2: Thessaloniki has also a harbour and its not totally sold out. 3: Get your facts right and stop posting bullshit smartass 4: Dont get so much butthurt

@bobbymkd457

6 жыл бұрын

eurosensazion Macedonia will exist as long as greece! We call ourselfs macedonians and 158 countries in the world do the same! Our culture and language are different from the serbian, greek and bulgarian! Not even god himself can ever change that! Stop the stupid nationalism!

Turkicdonia is not an embarrassment! It's an important step for the improvment of relations between Europe and Central Asia, you ve been noticed!

@aokiaoki4238

4 жыл бұрын

@Sultan of Sultans Safiye Sultan They may have it next year, you never know...

David H. Levinson, Cultural Anthropologist, “Encyclopedia of World Cultures”, 1991, p. 239: "It should be noted that there is *no connection* between the Macedonians of the time of Alexander the Great who were related to other *Hellenic tribes* and *the [FYRO]Macedonians of today, who are of Slavic origin and related to the Bulgarians."* *"Macedonia was - and still is - a territory of northern Greece.* The Ancient Macedonians were *of Greek origin and spoke a broader rougher dialect of Greek."* (Stephen Batchelor, “The Ancient Greeks for Dummies”, 2008) *"The Macedonians are and have always been Greeks, and the creation of a Socialist Republic of Macedonia [FYROM] with Skopje as its capital is only a sad farce."* (Rene Guerdan, French historian)

@Genchmen

6 жыл бұрын

so why do they hate bulgarians?

@aibhcos7217

6 жыл бұрын

Genchmen propaganda is the answer

@gocest74

6 жыл бұрын

Genetic distances, neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analysis have been performed. The following conclusions have been reached: 1) Macedonians belong to the ‘‘older’’ Mediterranean substratum, like Iberians (including Basques), North Africans, Italians, French, Cretans, Jews, Lebanese, Turks (Anatolians), Armenians and Iranians, 2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the ‘‘older’’ Mediterranenan substratum, 3) Greeks are found to have a substantial relatedness to sub-Saharan (Ethiopian) people, which separate them from other Mediterranean groups. Both Greeks and Ethiopians share quasi-specific DRB1 alleles, such as *0305, *0307, *0411, *0413, *0416, *0417, *0420, *1110, *1112, *1304 and *1310. Genetic distances are closer between Greeks and Ethiopian/sub-Saharan groups than to any other Mediterranean group and finally Greeks cluster with Ethiopians/sub-Saharans in both neighbour joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses. The time period when these relationships might have occurred was ancient but uncertain and might be related to the displacement of Egyptian-Ethiopian people living in pharaonic Egypt.

@fotiskepelis1

6 жыл бұрын

DNA taken from teeth of 19 people, including 10 Minoans from Crete dating 2900 B.C.E TO 1700 B.C.E. , four from Mycenaeans from the archaeological site at Mycenae and other cemeteries on the Greek mainland dating from 1700 B.C.E. to 1200 B.C.E. and five people from other early farming bronze age (5400 B.C.E. to 1340 B.C.E.) cultures in Greece showed that by comparing 1.2 million letters of genetic code across the genomes to those of 334 other ancient people from around the world and 300 modern Greeks the researches were able to plot how modern Greeks and ancient Greeks have a continuity through the centuries which exceeds 90% of the population in modern Greece. When researches compared DNA of modern Greeks to that of ancient Mycenaeans they found that modern Greeks share the similar proportions of DNA from the same ancestral sources as Mycenaeans. The fact that certain archaeologists thought they were partly Egyptian turns out to be false. The continuity between Mycenaeans and modern Greeks is "particularly striking". Was the result of studies conducted by : University of Washington, Seattle - University of Cambridge, United Kingdom - University of Gothenburg, Sweden - Harvard University, Massachusetts. As you can see troll there are no Greek Universities in this study. In other words its an unbiased international study. So get your head out of you ass, read some international literature on the subject and forget the bullshit propaganda you have been spoon-fed by your idiotic governments.

@demetrioskosmas9695

6 жыл бұрын

@gocest The "Sub-Saharan" origin of the Greeks which you quote here comes from a *dropped* research by Antonio Arnaiz-Villena (2001), *which was relating Islanders to Congolese, Greeks to Africans, Africans to Japanese etc.!* It has been presented and it is used *only by the nationalists of the FYROM* as a “proof” that the Greeks nowadays are... sub-Saharan Africans, in order to defame Greeks. :) FYROMians are using it to “prove” that the modern Greeks don't relate with their ancient ancestors, while FYROMians themselves cannot, of course, establish a relation between them and the ancient Macedonians, since FYROMians are Slavs who arrived in the Balkans in the 6th and 7th centuries AD, that's *a whole 1000 years after the demise of the ancient Macedonian kingdom.* :)) *This 2002 paper* entitled "Dropped genetics paper lacked scientific merit" as shown here: www.readcube.com/articles/10.1038/415115b which was published in “Nature” journal, *trashed* the Arnaiz-Villena research (which, once more, was relating Islanders to Congolese, Greeks to Africans, Africans to Japanese etc.) to oblivion and made it an *international joke* amongst the academic community. Just read the last three paragraphs of the paper: “Even a cursory look at the paper’s diagrams and trees immediately indicates that the authors make some extraordinary claims. They used a single genetic marker, HLA DRB1, for their analysis to construct a genealogical tree and map of 28 populations from Europe, the Middle East, Africa and Japan. *Using results from the analysis of a single marker, particularly one likely to have undergone selection, for the purpose of reconstructing genealogies is unreliable and unacceptable practice in population genetics. The limitations are made evident by the authors’ extraordinary observations that Greeks are very similar to Ethiopians and east Africans but very distant from other south Europeans; and that the Japanese are nearly identical to west and south Africans. It is surprising that the authors were not puzzled by these anomalous results, which contradict history, geography, anthropology and all prior population-genetic studies of these groups. Surely the ordinary process of refereeing would have saved the field from this dispute. We believe that the paper should have been refused for publication on the simple grounds that it lacked scientific merit.*” (Neil Risch, Alberto Piazza, L. Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Department of Genetics, Stanford University School of Medicine, Stanford, California 94305, USA, Department of Genetics, Biology and Biochemistry, University of Torino, Via Santena 19, 10126 Torino, Italy) Nature 415115b, 10 January 2002, © Macmillan Publishers Ltd, www.nature.com/nature/journal/v415/n6868/full/415115b.html: Dropped genetics paper lacked scientific merit. people.img.cas.cz/vaclav-horejsi/documents/ruzne/Dropped_genetics_paper_Nature.pdf The publication of the Arnaiz-Villena research created *such scandal* among the scientific society of geneticists, *that the editor of the magazine which published it was forced to apologise to the scientists and readers of the magazine.* He actually proposed the readers of his magazine to *physically tear apart those pages from the magazine!* However, FYROMian nationalists continue to use it... :) On the contrary, see Genographic project geno 2.0 results, available to view on Wikipedia. There is *zero sub-Saharan admixture in Greek DNA.* en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genographic_Project "As would be expected, FYROMacedonians and Greeks clustered with other European populations on genetic maps, far from the aggregation of North African and sub-Saharan groups. *Although these results have not stopped FYROMacedonian nationalists from proclaiming their lineage superior to that of the Greeks, they effectively neutralize the earlier study, leaving FYROMacedonians bereft of scientific support for their claims."* (azure.org.il/include/print.php?id=30) In other words, pathetic effort, FYROMian. :)

It's not just a name. The people of FYROM claim the Greek history. They claim a part of the Greek civilization. They teach their kids in school and home (or brainwash one should say), that they are the true desendants of the ancient Macedonian Kingdom, that the ancient Macedonian Kingdom was not Greek, but ancient slavic and Albanian (all lies, it is undisputably Greek), and such... Their new generations the last 25 years have been raised with these lies due to their ethnicism. That's why we can't solve the problem. Because they claim our history, it is not the name, but behind the name lies a whole history... And just to know, Macedonia is linguistically a Greek word!!

@Bmhtsos18

6 жыл бұрын

In case you didn't understand by his/her name, he/she is Greek you idiot!!

@tasoslts3480

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, I am (a proud) Greek :)

@Bmhtsos18

6 жыл бұрын

Logan IceGlare /Λόγκαν Λάμση Παγετού Γειά σου ρε πατρίδα!!

@akis33

6 жыл бұрын

Macedonia is Greece.We dont care what they say.God is with us.Athens,Sparta Macedonia Corinth,Thebes,Eretria, Chalcis etc was greek city-states For the fake country of new world order, the new Monkeydonia or x country of Υugοslavia that their name was Vardaska is so fake that nothing can stand. kzread.info/dash/bejne/k2Vh16SOn5O7gZs.html&ytbChannel=Christos%20Kastamonitis Even bible saying the truth about Greek macedonia.Not only the history.I am saying that for Cristian people and special for the fake country of Monkeydonia because the are Cristian Orthodox. Prophet Daniel 11 Now then, I tell you the truth: Three more kings will arise in Persia, and then a fourth, who will be far richer than all the others. When he has gained power by his wealth, he will stir up everyone against the kingdom of Greece. 3 Then a mighty king will arise, who will rule with great power and do as he pleases.(Alexander the Great) 4 After he has arisen, his empire will be broken up and parceled out toward the four winds of heaven. It will not go to his descendants, nor will it have the power he exercised, because his empire will be uprooted and given to others. All bible and all history full of proves! FAKE COUNTRY FAKE RELIGION THEIR NAME IS MONKEYDONIA OF NEW WORD ORDER.THE ONLY NAME THEY CAN HAVE IS "ABOVE THE REAL GREEK MACEDONIA" Its better for them if they love lies to change religion,to be something else except Cristian.Our prophets, as elder paisios said that this fake country of mankeydonia will break.Just watch.......

@user-hj9dj1ll1v

6 жыл бұрын

Green Lantern Any argument ? I don't think so

Holy. Unexpected. Arguments between two BALKAN nations... I am appalled at this unexpected situation. Absolutely completely mind blowing.

All South part of North Monkedonia FYROM Vardarska Banovina belongs to Greece , should give it back

Why not call the Vardar Republic instead of FYROM?

@mattvl6023

6 жыл бұрын

thats something every reasonable person should ask , they can use the name they had before WW2.

@boptillyouflop

6 жыл бұрын

Because nobody uses "Vardar Republic" or "FYROM", everybody just calls it "Macedonia".

@franknwalters

6 жыл бұрын

worldsbestskiinstructor Liupco Georgievski, FYROM's former Prime Minister, Live on camera (Al Jazeera), Dec.2015 _"...We here [in my country] we are _*_champions in the forgerying of History._*_ We don't just _*_forger_*_ the last _*_25_*_ years of our History; we've gone this far as to _*_forger_*_ the _*_entire_*_ history of the [ancient] Macedonians. _*_We know_*_ that we are Slavs and our language is Slavic. Today if you look at our _*_new history_*_ and open a book in the first grade, you will see that it writes that we have _*_nothing_*_ to do with the Slavs anymore. We don't belong to any group of people, we are unique. _*_Our language_*_ is also not Slavic, although we understand each other [with the other Slavs] perfectly. I call this History of ours a _*_funny History_*_ .."_

@bobbymkd457

6 жыл бұрын

Of course Vardarska Makedonia as our part was always called!

@user-yn1do6de3n

6 жыл бұрын

because there is no prestige in that..

Now what _I_ would like to know is, what do the _Greeks_ say when they see text they don't understand? They can't very well say, "It's Greek to me," because that's their language.

@comingafteryou5352

6 жыл бұрын

lazyperfectionist1 We say it's all chinese to me instead.

@Ldinos

6 жыл бұрын

It sounds chinese to me ;)

@MrsKoldun

6 жыл бұрын

Other languages also call it chinese not only Greece. I think “that looks Greek to me” is the exception here.

@imperialcrusader2647

6 жыл бұрын

It's barbarian.

@gabriellambrou853

6 жыл бұрын

no

Ironic how most of us lived during a time where there was a dispute so petty one country effectively deadnamed another.

I call this country: REPUBLIC OF SULTANIA. SERBS, TURKS, BULGARIANS AND ALBANIANS LIVE THERE. THIS NAME IS INCLUSIVE

@franknwalters

4 жыл бұрын

@@robkit6681 But Macedonia lays in Greece. *Slavomacedonia lays on PAEONIA.* Dr David Gordon Mitten, Dr James Loeb, Professors of Classical Art and Archaeology, *Harvard* University _"...We do not understand how the modern inhabitants of ancient _*_Paeonia_*_ ( the region SlavoMacedonia is settled ), who speak Slavic - a language _*_and people introduced into the Balkans about a millennium after the death of Alexander_*_ - can claim him as their national hero. Alexander the Great was thoroughly and indisputably Greek..."_

@robkit6681

4 жыл бұрын

@@franknwalters...No you're wrong again. Macedonia only Macedonian NEVER Gaayreek

@franknwalters

4 жыл бұрын

@@robkit6681 René Guerdan, renowned French Historian _"...Macedonia was and has always been in Greece, and the (communist) _*_creation_*_ of (Slavo)Macedonia with Skopje as its capital is only a _*_SAD FARCE..."_*

@beamer-ma4138

4 жыл бұрын

I callled greece " the rebublic of Macedonian albanian an turks"

@amacedonianthathatesslavsf7587

4 жыл бұрын

@@robkit6681 how can you claim that if you dont have proof huh? Bitch

They write in Cyrillic They speak Bulgarian They are Slavs and Albanians But they want to be called Macedonians.

@alksmusic6188

5 жыл бұрын

Well the Albanian 35% doesn’t really want to be ma macedonians:-)

@besg5725

5 жыл бұрын

Roman Stay out of this comrade Bandera. You dont want to get sucked in to balkan politics.

@eamfos

5 жыл бұрын

BEST COMMENT !!!

@PauliesWalnuts

5 жыл бұрын

Vas Gr No, Greece is just incredibly poor, and instead of concentrating on their failing economy and massive unemployment, they get triggered by the name of a country on their northern border.

@eamfos

5 жыл бұрын

You mean that a country with economic problems should not care about its "past - present -future" historical position...and let a foreing country to "take a bite" from its history ; Whould you like that happening to your country ?...

OMG A VIDEO! now i have to wait another season...

FYROM is a Slavic country and NOT Macedonia.MACEDONIA is GREECE. "We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" - Kiro Gligorov, FYROM's first President, Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992

@hunter9134

4 жыл бұрын

enaskanenas1 Aegean Macedonia is Macedonia The rest of G@ylada is Shiptarija. Greece had a German king called King Otto but when he went to Greece, all he saw was Shiptari and said, and I quote: "Where are all the Greek's?, There are just Shiptari here". King Otto of Greece.

@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse

4 жыл бұрын

@@hunter9134 Aha more quotes from the Gruevski printing press......................Hahahahaha!!!!!!

@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse

4 жыл бұрын

enaskanenas1 Not only that but North Macedonia was never Macedonia in its history. The name Macedonia was copied from the Greeks (Its a Greek name and means high-lands' in Greek) by Marshall Tito in 1944 to name his newly created Republic originally called Vardar Banovin when his intention was to annex the northern Greek region of Macedonia.

@aokiaoki4238

4 жыл бұрын

@Jd Pv Fakedonians should claim their real Bulgar history in Mongolia, where they came from.

@aokiaoki4238

4 жыл бұрын

@Jd Pv what's your business with Herodotus, Mongol?

@Jano Dze You call this an insult? *Let me show you what insult actually is:* February 2018, Professor Toni Deskoski, Skopje, SlavoMacedonia, ON CAMERA *_"We were in a process to completely change our identity,_*_ to insert ancient "DNA", so to _*_change_*_ our collective memory, the memory of a Slavic nation, and to _*_present us_*_ as something ancient, an ancient Macedonian nation, when _*_the Macedonians were Greeks._*_ It was a very crazy to attempt _*_to present a Slavic nation_*_ as a Greek nation and that caused a great confusion within our State."_

Tbh, the Vardar Republic sounds kind of badass It could be a good choice for another name

@bobanpetrov8951

4 жыл бұрын

KONSTANTIN XXX just shut the fuck up dumb kid there is only one Macedonia and if u liked the name whay didnt u stick with the name in the first place why did u change it to greece dumb fuck

@negnegative8736

4 жыл бұрын

Well its not that badass is Macedonian, but I can see how why u like it

@filipmous5021

4 жыл бұрын

@J M The Greeks are the foreigners huh? And I thought Slavs came in the Balkans in the 6th century.

@filipmous5021

4 жыл бұрын

@J M You are a maniac. You can find no proof whatsoever that Macedonia has a different history from Greece. No historian could even think to tell that the Ancient Macedonians were Slavs and not Greeks. There is evidence both written and found in ancient forms of art. For example why did they Macedonians partake in the Olympic Games? ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Olympic_Games )

*“No nation should steal the history and symbols of another nation. For all of us who love history, and know history, Macedonia is as Greek as the Acropolis.”* (Michael David Rann, May 05, 2007) The following statement on the Greekness of Macedonia is signed by 370+ international scholars: "The land in question [FYROM], with its modern capital at Skopje, *was called Paionia in antiquity.* Mts. Barnous and Orbelos (which form today the northern limits of Greece) provide a natural barrier that separated, and separates, Macedonia [Greece] from its northern neighbor [FYROM-Paionia]. While it is true that the Paionians were subdued by Philip II, father of Alexander, in 358 BC *they were not Macedonians and did not live in Macedonia.* Likewise, for example, the Egyptians, who were subdued by Alexander, may have been ruled by Macedonians, including the famous Cleopatra, but they were never Macedonians themselves, and Egypt was never called Macedonia. Rather, *Macedonia and Macedonian Greeks have been located for at least 2,500 years just where the modern Greek province of Macedonia is.* Exactly this same relationship is true for Attica and Athenian Greeks, Argos and Argive Greeks, Corinth and Corinthian Greeks, etc. *We do not understand how the modern inhabitants of ancient Paionia [FYROM-FYROMians], who speak Slavic - a language introduced into the Balkans about a millennium after the death of Alexander - can claim him as their national hero. Alexander the Great was thoroughly and indisputably Greek.”* (John Duffy, Professor, Department of the Classics, Harvard University USA, Antony Snodgrass, Professor Emeritus of Classical Archaeology, University of Cambridge, UK, Robin Lane Fox, University Reader in Ancient History, New College, Oxford, UK, Luigi Beschi, professore emerito di Archeologia Classica, Università di Firenze, Italy, John Dillon, Emeritus Professor of Greek, Trinity College Dublin, Ireland, R. Malcolm Errington, Professor für Alte Geschichte, Philipps-Universität, Marburg, Germany, Pontus Hellstrom, Professor of Classical archaeology and ancient history, Uppsala University, Sweden, Marion Meyer, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Vienna, Austria, Christina Leypold, Dr. phil., Archaeological Institute, University of Zürich, Switzerland, John Richard Melville-Jones, Winthrop Professor, Classics and Ancient History, University of Western Australia... macedonia-evidence.org )

@dimitrijtasevski2174

6 жыл бұрын

How can Macedonia be Greek if they have their own Macedonian languague that is not simular to the Greek languague.

@thebitch7457

6 жыл бұрын

exactly it is not anything like greek where as alexander the great spoke greek and was greek.FYROM people mostly speak bulgarian. they are nothing but a fake country with no history.and if you still believe macedonia isnt greek , an ancient greek historian said that a king of macedonia wanted to join the olympics and they didnt let him because they thought he wasnt greek but not only did he prove that he was greek and they let him compete but he also won

@MacedonianAlwaysGreek

6 жыл бұрын

Dimitrij Tasevski Because FYROM stole the Greek name "Macedonia" and everything around it despite the facts that FYROM corresponds to ancient Paeonia, NOT to ancient Macedonia (Greece), FYROMians are Slavs, hence NOT real Macedonians (Greeks), and FYROMian language is a Slavic language, not real Macedonian (Greek). The Linguist List (multitree.org/codes/xmk ): Macedonian, a Greek language, [FYRO]”Macedonian”, a Bulgarian language: “Name: Ancient Macedonian. Parent Subgroup: Hellenic (Greek). Brief Description: The ancient language of the Macedonian kingdom in N. Greece and modern Macedonia during the later 1st millennium BC. Survived until the early 1st millennium AD. *Not to be confused with the modern Macedonian language, which is a close relative of the Slavic Bulgarian.”* *"[FYRO]Macedonian is similar to Bulgarian* and is sometimes been regarded as a *variety of that language."* (Encyclopedia of Bilingualism and Bilingual Education, Colin Baker, Sylvia Prys Jones, p. 415) *"[FYRO]Macedonian can be called a Bulgarian dialect, as structurally it is most similar to Bulgarian."* (Encyclopedia of Language and Linguistics,, R.E.Asher, J.M.Y.Simpson, 1994, vol.1, p.429)

@dimitrijtasevski2174

6 жыл бұрын

George Niotis He was not greek. He had to pretend because they did not let him competete

@dimitrijtasevski2174

6 жыл бұрын

Macedonian Always Greek First of all macedonian languague is more simular to the serbian then the bulgarian. That is why you can't tell that macedonian is bulgarian dialect. On the other hand the slavic languagues are very simular to each other. Second thing if the greek have a teritory named Macedonia it is the land which belongs to the country Macedonia(your fyrom). Which was "stolen" with the treaty of bucharest 1913. 1913 is the year with this problem because there are parts of the Macedonia in Greece, Bulgaria and Albania

Remember what happened at Ghadir Khumm,Abdul the Fyromian!

Kebir Mehmed Celebi Bey Mosque is according most of the Ottoman Muslim Fyromians the most beautiful Mosque in FYROM Vardarska BaNAnovina , one of the more than 600 Mosques in FYROM with opened doors for the worshippers

They should just change their name to Western Bulgaria

@naimshabani8059

6 жыл бұрын

BlueRange TV or eastern albania and southern greece as anny will do tbh. You can find each people group there but not actual macedonians

@cv4809

6 жыл бұрын

BlueRange TV Vardarska is the original name or just vardar republic

@Filippirgos

6 жыл бұрын

In reality, they were Southern Serbia until 1918

@sunled5602

6 жыл бұрын

"southern greece". Yikes.

@duka1461

6 жыл бұрын

South Serbia.

Imagine that West of Czech Republic gets the independence from Czech Republic, and they choose as their new nation's name "Republic of Bavaria", just because they need a new identity and they're near the historical region of Bavaria. What would Germans say? The same exactly thing is happening between FYROM and Greece.

@Hamboarding

6 жыл бұрын

Denis Z I would be proud since people liked my history!

@deniszt.6302

6 жыл бұрын

Shhh go sleep slav.

@deniszt.6302

6 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah I'm really shocked... Good night from Μακεδονία.

@zdravkocacanoski3030

5 жыл бұрын

Since you want to compare There is a country Luxembourg and a region in Belgium also named Luxembourg There is country Moldova (Republic of) and also a region in Romania named Moldova. Venezuela have Guyana region and also there is a country named Guyana... There are lots of examples in the world. And i think that even the greek people do not have name issue about Macedonia, it is 100% about the exclusivity of the history.

@cyrclack5616

4 жыл бұрын

@@zdravkocacanoski3030 fun fact Romanian Moldavia and Moldovan Moldavia are literaly part of the same region, ruled by the same peoples, it just so happens part of it is independent Which is not the case with the Slavo-Pannonian Leeching Republic of Misguidance and Lies you live in

"The national name derives from the GREEK TERM Makedonía, related to the name of the region, named after the ancient Macedonians and their kingdom. It originates from the ancient GREEK adjective makednos, meaning "tall", which shares its roots with the adjective makrós, meaning the same." Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon, on Perseus

@vangelisskia214

3 жыл бұрын

@ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ is МАКЕДОНИЈА First of all, the whole idea of the "nation-state" did not exist until the 19th century and after the French revolution of 1789, blockhead.. 🤣🤣🤣 Some scholars go a bit further back to the 18th century and the English commonwealth as the first nation-state, but most consider post-revolutionary France as the first one. European states were exclusively multi-ethnic empires until that point. The Greeks were actually pioneers in that aspect. Greeks were one of the first (if not the very first) nations in Europe that adopted such ideas of seeking independence and creating a nation-state and made them reality after the Greek war of independence against the Ottomans which started in 1821 and officially ended in 1832 with the proclamation of the fully independent state of Greece. Italians and all the various Balkan peoples got their ideas of creating nation-states themselves, from the Greeks. This of course doesn't mean that Greeks were not already a nation that knew of their common language, culture, history, religion and ancestry. There was no country Germany until the 1870s if I'm not mistaken.. Does this mean there were not peoples who considered themselves Germanic with common ancestry, language and culture earlier than that?! You know the answer. North Slavomacedonia was created as a Nation state around 200 years after Greece! 🤣 So according to you there were not any Slavomacedonians prior to that. 🤣🤣🤣 Your "argument" is childish, even stupid, as I guess you now realize... Greeks are the first peoples since the ancient times who felt as one nation, even if politically they were not united.(separate city-states and kingdoms). "The kinship of all Greeks in blood and speech, and the shrines of gods and the sacrifices that we have in common, and the likeness of our way of life." Herodotus, 8.144.2

@vangelisskia214

3 жыл бұрын

@ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ is МАКЕДОНИЈА "Panhellenism is the least common denominator of ancient Greek civilization ... The impulse of Panhellenism is already at work in Homeric and Hesiodic poetry. In the Iliad, the names "Achaeans" and "Danaans" and "Argives" are used synonymously in the sense of Panhellenes = "all Hellenes" = "all Greeks."" Nagy 2014, Texts and Commentaries - Introduction #2

@vangelisskia214

3 жыл бұрын

@ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ is МАКЕДОНИЈА "FOUR THOUSAND YEARS OF GREEK HISTORY have produced four Greek heritages, each of which has had an effect on the life of the Greeks in later stages of their history. The Hellenic Greeks received a heritage from the Mycenean Greeks, the Byzantine Greeks received on from the Hellenic Greeks, the Modern Greeks have received one heritage from the Byzantines and a second from the Hellenes.” The Greeks and their Heritage, A.J Toynbee, 1st Korais Professor of Greek Studies

@vangelisskia214

3 жыл бұрын

@ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ is МАКЕДОНИЈА "GREEKS, Persians, Chinese and Japanese could be cited as examples of ETHNIC CONTINUITY since despite massive cultural changes over the centuries key identifying components such as name, customs, language and territorial association were broadly maintained and reproduced for MILLENNIA" Anthony D Smith, Anthropologist, Emeritus professor of Nationalism and Ethnicity

@vangelisskia214

3 жыл бұрын

@ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ is МАКЕДОНИЈА 🤣😂🤣

More and more Germans are choosing to spend holidays within their own country. Therefore, this year, most of them will spend it in Greece.

@arandomwatcher7597

3 жыл бұрын

My god that hurt BADLY..... and has a bit of truth...

@julten6969

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t get it

I'm so glad that this dispute is finally over. I live in the country that is now called North Macedonia and I believe that Greece is right about this. Alexander the great does NOT belong to the slavic culture but to the hellenistic one. I really hope that monument will be given to the Greeks as a gift of good will . I'm also glad that the people in my country are finally realizing this and I'm especially glad the we have a good relationship with our neighbors. People from both couturiers travel across the borders in large numbers every day for shopping or doing business and they are very chill about the issue. Let's bury this drama of our ancestors and let's live like friends.

@sarasaiti1755

4 жыл бұрын

I agree completely actually.

@josipbroztito204

4 жыл бұрын

Alexander during his life was considered non Greek a barbarian only years after his death he becomes Greek

@comingafteryou5352

4 жыл бұрын

@@goranstojanovski7176 Eh no isn't the same as hitler as he didn't plan a genocide or killed thousands.We also admire him because he is the reason our greek culture was spread everywhere and lead to the new testament being written in greek.

@Leta251

4 жыл бұрын

KONSTANTIN XXX you’re wrong Albanians been there as long as Greek.. Albanian and Kosovo Albanian even Macedonian Albanian score high on Greek dna.

@yagacomicart

4 жыл бұрын

I agree 👍🏼

I think Vardar would be a beautiful name on the country! And also a historically correct one. Macedonia actually can only be in Greece, Sorry. (PS I'm not Greek in any way, just a history nerd) Greetings from Scandinavia

@d3r4g45

6 жыл бұрын

P R ever heard Serbian being called Dunav? Montenegrins being called Zeta? Nope. Those are river names and geography regions, never population or state names. Also your "history arguments" are silly. Learn basic human rights and right of self-determination.

@franknwalters

6 жыл бұрын

C O FYROM is settled on *Paeonia,* not in Macedonia, and you're Slavs not descendants of the macedonians. 1. Dr David Gordon Mitten, Dr James Loeb, Professors of Classical Art and Archaeology, *Harvard* University _"...We do not understand how the modern inhabitants of ancient _*_Paeonia_*_ ( the region the 1991 self-declared Republic of "Macedonia" is settled ), who speak Slavic - a language _*_and people introduced into the Balkans about a millennium after the death of Alexander_*_ - can claim him as their national hero. Alexander the Great was thoroughly and indisputably Greek..."_ 2. Eugene Borza, Historian, Penn University, "Macedonian Redux" _"... _*_Modern Slavs, both from the_*_ Former Yug. Rep. of Macedonia and Bulgarians _*_cannot_*_ establish a link with antiquity, in contrast with the Greeks. The Slavs entered the Balkans _*_10 centuries after_*_ the demise of the Ancient Kingdom of Alexander. Only the most radical nationalists Slavic emigres from the US, Canada and Australia even attempt to establish a link with antiquity..."_

@aleksaradojicic8114

5 жыл бұрын

@@franknwalters Problem whit this is Paeonia is northern region of Balkans(today Serbia).

@xristo702

5 жыл бұрын

Though hellenic, Macedonia wasn't accepted by other greeks until Macedonia conquered them. Alexander was certainly a philhellene and he spread greek culture everywhere but he did it under the banner of MACEDON, not "Greece". Let me also state that we slavic Macedonians have little to do with any of that, but the greeks and bulgarians who insist that we are a non existent entity can go fuck themselves. These half slavic/half paleobalkan people that these assholes are calling "skopian fyromian brainwashed bulgar history thieves" have taken on the identity of "Macedonians" for at least 1500 years. And if the Bulgars want any evidence of this, they can take a good look at their own medieval coat of arms with those 3 golden Lions (each one corresponding to a regional identity that was annexed by the 2nd bulgarian kingdom): The lion of Moesia on the left, the lion of Thrace on the Right and both are holding up the lion of MACEDONIA in the middle. The greeks squawking and whining about macedonian identity is a relatively modern phenomenon and one that is mostly guided by jingoism and antislavic hatred...so with all due respect, my scandinavian friend...kindly take your greek approved name suggestion and shove it up your pretty white ass.

@andrewong2956

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly right! (Or all of fyrom/vardar gets merged with Greece.)

Tatars

I'm from Macedonia ( or North Macedonia), I find the idea by building the statue of Alexander the Great and the other stuff very stupid, the government wasted the money on challenging another country, and not trying to help the people in the country. I find the argument between the two countries very childish, both of the points that the countries are giving are stupid. Why can the people jute live together and work with each other to make it in to a better place, all the conflict between Macedonia and Greece are just government's propaganda, and nationalist followers. Personally I don't care about the conflict, I find Macedonia and Greece beautiful places, let just stop. 🇲🇰🤜🤛🇬🇷

@tziodim

3 жыл бұрын

Man i hope you the best, I'm Greek.all this shit is that balkans after ww1 felt into the pit with the vampires. We have corrupted goverments and balkans will be like that until they will have to take our oil,its the last of it. 2020 and we are doing the same as we are in the caves because people we give power are fucked up so,we are fuck up. Make all beautiful is a goog idea.lets give power to this idea by following it !!!!!!! But no it will never happen and I must kill you !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? :))

@progamerbufovi

2 жыл бұрын

@@eaglesnetwork3750 i don't think they are waiting for liberation

@user-br6eo6qv7u

2 жыл бұрын

I am Greek man and this is amazing. Let's just stop arguing and live peacefully 👊👊

@bedwar12494

2 жыл бұрын

same, and i agree

@progamerbufovi

2 жыл бұрын

@@bedwar12494 i just hate greeks who start fights like this guy above your reply

Since when is it ok to hi-jack someone else's identity and history in order to identify oneself? Everybody involved in this dispute knows very well that it is NOT JUST ABOUT THE NAME! The dispute is mainly about FYROM's identity its role in the region by using that identity, and it is mainly a geopolitical problem for the region in general but is never discussed as such out in the open . I would like to remind the narrator that Turkey is also a member of NATO along with Greece but that doesn't seem to stop that country from their ongoing aggression towards Greece. I agree that the world is a very complicated place and we should be very well informed before drawing conclusions about such matters.