"The same people who display propaganda ads on national television, would never lie to me about this"

What language did alexander the great spoke? Some mixture of bulgarian and serbian??? This is not serious. Macedonia is a geographical name. Today's Macedonia has nothing to do with the ancient macedonia, but the geographical name.

@Irukandji78 then why does Greece block Macedonia using its rightful name?

so when you say ruins with greek words, you are really meaning "Koine" words... you know the language that was introduced into greece by your first king Otto of Bavaria, a ancient language to unite greece as one language, because throughout greece was a mixture of languages, Turkish, Macedonian, Roma, Albanian... but no greek language untill Prince Otto from Bavaria introduced the Koine Language and called it greek. That was the international language of trade" just like English is today". KOINE

AND THEY PROUDLY CALLED IT THE KINGDOM OF MAKEDON, NOT LEAVING EVEN A DROP OF SUSPICION THAT WAS MACEDONIAN AND ONLY MACEDONIAN!

bravo Makedonche :)

did you get a visa for greece?

Generic HLA class I (A and B) and high-resolution HLA class II (DRB1 and DQB1) genotyping was performed using a reverse dotblot technique with the Automated Innolipa system (Innogenetics N.V., Zwijndrecht, Belgium). HLA-A, -B, -DRB1, and -DQB1 allele DNA sequencing was only done when indirect DNA typing (reverse dot-blot) yielded ambiguous results

Macedonia to Macedonians - WHAT EVER IT TAKES .Milom ili Silom.

program calculated HLAA, -B, -DRB1 and -DQB1 allele frequencies, Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium and the linkage disequilibrium between two alleles at two different loci. Linkage disequilibrium (D¿; also named LD, see ref. 13) and its level of significance (P) for 2À2 comparisons were determined using the formulae of Mattiuz and co-workers (14) and the 11th International Histocompatibility Workshop methodology

WHAT WAS THE NAME OF GREAT ALEXANDERS MOTHER???CAN SOMEONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION TO ME?

@makedoncheto you speak macedonian?what is this language

@myking73 you want to talk about more than 100 years ago. In 338 BC, in the shallow Cephisus River valley near the village of Chaeronea, On the north side Philip´s Macedonians with Alexander the largest Macedonian army ever assembled. On the south side, stood the "allied" Athenians, Thebans and Achaeans the largest army ever assembled since the Persian invasion. Macedonia conquered the "aillied" city states. Macedonia was never part of Greece - but they did defeat them.

How could the ancient Macedonians die off to the last one making them extinct and the so-called ancient "Greeks" survive?

what does macedonia mean?

Isar-Marvinci, the site well known from the first excavations performed in 1961 on the place called “Porta”, where later there was discovered a temple with an inscription which mentions the local Makedoniarh 7 .

I am so proud to hear you are Macedonian.

in kilkiz he had primary school, in thessaloniki secondary school, and on the end he went in bulgaria to make his millitary school, he is organizator and leader of the macedonian revolution againg the turkish, in 1894 he startet to be a teacher in shtip, today skopia, and there he found dame gruev, the other revolucioner.

bravo bat super video

@Irukandji78 -NO , i DONT !

At the end of the Ottoman Empire most of the region known as Rumelia (from Ottoman Turkish: Rumeli, "Land of the Romans") was divided by the Treaty of Bucharest of 1913, following the Ottoman defeat in the Balkan Wars of 1912-1913. Greece, Serbia, Bulgaria each took control of portions of the Macedonia (region), with Greece obtaining the largest portion;

Demir Kapija is a place already mentioned in classical times under the name of Stenae (Greek for gorge). The settlement Stenae was fortified by walls, and it is considered that it was used to exist in the Neolithic Age.

Nikolaos Grougios is speaking LOL

Due to reactions from Greece it was taken out of circulation. Its not whether it was in use, it just showed an attitude. IMO if smeone wants clear and friendly approach towards its neighbor, he would never even thought about it, to print a banknote with one of his national benchmarks. /wiki/File:White_tower_banknote.jpg

@vasilischristoglou I am Macedonian from Macedonia and i speak Macedonian. i dont speak greek because im not greek.... just Macedonian

The aim of the present work is to determine the relative contributions of Macedonians and Greeks to the present-day genetic pool of Mediterranean peoples. For these purpose, both HLA class I and class II DNA typings.

@tozzila I am educated instead of you "...The number of letters in the original Glagolitic alphabet is not known, but may have been close to its presumed Greek model. The 41 letters we know today include letters for non-Greek sounds which may have been added by Saint Cyril, as well as ligatures added in the 12th century under the influence of Cyrillic, as Glagolitic lost its dominance..."

That's really cool. It's good to know that there are intellectuals in FYROM.

The observed allele frequencies for HLA-A, -B,-DRB1 and-DQB1 loci do not significantly differ and the population sample is in Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium.the HLA allele frequencies found in theMacedonian population.14 different HLA-A and 28 different HLA-B alleles were observed in theMacedonian population. 6 HLA-A alleles and 7 HLA-B alleles had frequencies higher than 5% (A*01,A*02,A*03,A*11,A*24,A*26,B*07,B*08,B*18,B*35,B*38,B*44 and B*51) and these are characteristic ofMediterranean populations

go on my channel and on the background you can see example of it.

Excuse me brother, you are from FYROM right??

about this, I have no comment .... you're absolutely right

Τhis is what you read in some of your sites?? Cause we are around archaeological sights every day and never is found something as you describe!!

[Eugene Borza, 'On the Shadows of Olympus' p.230] "It is difficult to imagine that Philip's policy towards Greece was an end in itself. Once his Balkan borders had been secured, his general course seems to have been directed towards the establishment of stability in Greece AND NOT conquest."

The fact that one of the sixth constitutive republics of Yugoslavia was called "Macedonia" and her inhabitants called themselves Macedonians did not register any alarm in the Greek government.

@jovoification you have hear olympics games?????

We Greeks and those living in the province of Macedonia will stand as strong on this issue as the 300 Spartans did at Thermopolae! You are right! Its not negotiable!!!

what is autosomal dna:Autosomal recessive is one of several ways that a trait, disorder, or disease can be passed down through families.An autosomal recessive disorder means two copies of an abnormal gene must be present in order for the disease or trait to develp.humans have a diploid genome that usually contains22pairs of autosomes and one allosome pair(46 chromosomes total)The autosome pairs are labeled with numbers roughly in order of their sizes in base pairs be due to the area of research

No doubt for this...Macedonians Greeks of the north!!!

@Irukandji78 you are modern greeks, not ancient greeks. you speak the Koine Language, which was taught to your people when Prince Otto of Bavaria introduced it into modern greece. Prior to that there was no unified language in modern greece, it was a mixture of Turkish, Albanian, Macedonian, Vlah, Gypsy. Koine language was taught and it was introduced as the greek language.

@Dummydaydreamer Suggest in the first instance you look at DemirKapija - Wikipedia. Paeonian settlement and fortress

Wat that quote supposed to have a meaning or prove something?

There a many Macedonians living in greece, why arent they allowed to express them selves as Macedonians, why arnt they allowed to speak Macedonian in greece???

@vasilischristoglou when you say greek? im sure you mean "KOINE" because the work greek and greece never existed before 1829. did Alexander the great speak KOINE = yes but his mother tounge was Macedonian. Koine in those days was the international language of trade, just like English is today. Macedonian being an ancient language, many countries have adopted many words from the Macedonians... yes even the Bulgarians.... I am Macedonian I speak Macedonian im from Macedonia

was it stojkaaaa??

@vasilischristoglou Is that a dumb question??? or what??? you just said it in yourself ... i speak Macedonian let me explain further.... Macedonian language is the language of the Republic of Macedonia

[John Guy, 'Greek Life', p.22] "Alexander became King of Macedon at the age of 20. He achieved what no other Greek leader had accomplished, in uniting the all the individual city-states into one Greek nation."

@makedoncheto man Have you ever seen the grave of Philipos II?

About North Macedonia ?

Demosthen : " Filip is not a hellene,not even barbarian,he is Makedonian from Makedonia,a place from where you shouldn't even take a slave "

"Tell your king (Xerxes), who sent you, how his Greek viceroy (Alexander I) of Macedonia has received you hospitably." (Herod. V, 20, 4 [Loeb])

@elelpida I AM MACEDONIAN I SPEAK MACEDONIAN .... (not greek) This means i am Macedonian, NOT greek

Now I find your comment rather strange. You see, IGENEA in its blog refused to answer to a question, "Where did you get your DNA from?" Stating that they cannot say where, or from what studies they acquired the data, on the basis that it would be releasing information to its competitors. So I'm bemused how you got this information that IGENEA went and took DNA materials from tombs in Demir Kapija. Demir Kapija is a well documented Paeonian settlement. Unless of course you work for IGENEA :D

Alexander continues to speak to his Macedonians and allies:"Come,then;add the rest of Asia to what you already possess - a small addition to the great sum of your conquests. What great or noble work could we ourselves have achieved had we thought it enough living at ease in Macedon,merely to guard our homes,excepting no burden beyond checking the encroachment of the Thracians on our borders, or the Illyrians and Triballians,or perhaps such Greeks as might prove a menace to our comfort."

So he had greek education if he attended secondary education in Thessaloniki, taking into consideration that there were only Greek, Turkish Ottoman and Jewish schools.

The scientist from Eupedia did not recommend either IGENEA or DNA Tribes, stating that DNA Tribes' reports "are laughable" and continued, "DNA Tribes tests aren't very informative of toyal ancestry, and their reports are dubious at best." Of IGENEA he continues "What is strange, is that IGENEA is owned by FTDNA, and FTDNA never make such weird assumptions as IGENEA do on their website." Carsten Pusch a geneticist at Germany's Tubinge University accuse IGENEA of 'marketing gimmick'.

What planet are you living on?

[Roger Wilson, Encyclopaedia of Ancient Greece] "The latest archaeological evidence now confirms that Macedonia was named after a Greek speaking tribe or people called the 'Makednoi' meaning 'highlanders' from the Greek 'macos' for 'tall' or 'high'. Their local dialect of north-western Greek was later replaced by Philip with Attic Greek.

2 SIMPLE FACTS( If you disagree in anyone notice) . 1. Ancient Makedonia had Greek culture 2.Majority of true Makedonians considered themselves Greeks. 1* "Filip grave, coins, names, art, war clothes, ex 2* In Thessaloniki we have 2,5 million people it is impossible just by odds, all the true makedonians to be in FYROM and not near Pela for example, so unless you think the majority of people in Thessaloniki don't consider themselves Greeks you must agree!!!

The region was an administrative subdivision of Greece until the administrative reform of 1987, when the region was divided into the regions of West Macedonia and Central Macedonia and part of the region of East Macedonia and Thrace, the latter containing also the whole of the region of Thrace.

在希腊语中，κινέζικα (拉丁字母: kinezika) 代表汉语，Κίνα (拉丁字母: Kina) 是中国，而 κινέζικα 就是 Κίνα 的形容词。那么，希腊朋友们，如果你想要学习或者正在学习中文普通话，或者你对中国和中国文化很感兴趣，这里是我们倾心为你打造的网站。我们乐于在此分享我们对中文及中国的了解与喜爱，并且提供中文字典及书籍的连接地址。美中不足的是，由于希腊语-汉语参考资料有限，开始我们将使用英语。如果你就是中国人而且愿意帮助改进这个网站，请发邮件联系我们！我们希望有类似的网站能帮助中国人学习希腊语！请浏览我们的网站，也许你不懂希腊语，但当你发现网站中的汉语有错误时，请通知我们尽快纠正。 感谢您访问该网站！再 Malaka skopiane!

The highly polymorphic HLAsystem has been validated as useful for distinguishing and/or relating populations(and individuals)in many research studies since the first International HLA Anthropology Workshop(Evian, 1973)and in all the subsequent seven InternationalWorkshops.HLAgene frequencies correlate with geographically related populations.The existence or absence of gene flow among neighbouring ethnic groups may be assessed with the study ofHLA frequencies and the corresponding genetic distances

@elelpida That is why i am letting you know the TRUTH. I am Macedonian I speak Macedonian ( not greek ) I come from Macedonia ( not greece ) Macedonia for the Macedonians

But as soon as the break up of Yugoslavia was imminent and the Greeks learned that Macedonia will become a separate country, they fetched an idea that the name "Macedonia" belongs to them and the real ethnic Macedonians cannot use it. Greeks embarked on a campaign to prove to the world that the name "Macedonia" exclusively belongs to them since the ancient Macedonians, who conquered and enslaved Greece for centuries, became not just "Hellenes" but the champions of Hellenism overnight.

By the way, Aristotelis was born in Stagira in Halkidiki 384 bc

The fact that neither the ancient Greeks nor the ancient Macedonians ever considered each other as brethren was lost to them. The fact that their own Greek 19th century historiographers rightly excluded the ancient Macedonians from the Hellenes and considered them as conquerors of Greece was dismissed in favor of the new political thinking that "Macedonians" and "Macedonia" were always Greek.

Good news!

so we popped up out of thin air in 1991?

[Robin Lane Fox, Historian Oxford University UK] "Macedon is a Greek speaking Kingdom in northern Greece populated by people using Greek names, Greek months of the year, worshipping Greek gods. Those who live in 'Republic of macedonia' and say that that is [ancient] Macedonia, are as ignorant and outrageous as if someone was to say Oxford University is in Belorus and Shakespeare was from Minsk."

The former settlement was fortified by walls, and it is considered that it was used to exist in the Neolithic Age. Demir Kapija is hiding numerous localities and invincible remains. The research up to the present has proved that all the pass periods have left their traces: the Paeonian, Ancient Macedonian, Roman, Byzantine, the period of Samuil the Turkish as well as the early Christian period.wiki.org/wiki/Demir_Kapija

@BERZITI Our new name is FuckBulgars ...how do you find it Bulgarian ?

Is this why the univesrities i mentioned mock you?

"Alexander also referred to his father Philip as conqueror of Athenians, and recalled to their minds the recent conquest of Boeotia and the annihilation of its best known city." [p.41] (Quintus Rufus "The History of Alexander"). Allow me to also emphasize that when one "unifies" there is no "conquest"!

but your own people say that we are Macedonians,your own people say that what you did to us is similar like what Americans of today did to native Americans,Australians to Aborigenes....and in Republic of Macedonia today live 1 500 000 Macedonians and of course other minorities which are recognized as opposed to your country which besides unrecognized Macedonian minority also has turks and almost 2 000 000 of albos also unrecognized

Greeks before the break up of Yugoslavia felt quite comfortably secured in the notion that Aegean Macedonia was fully Hellenized and the file on "Macedonia" securely wrapped up and locked up inside their national archives. And as long as the other "Macedonia" (in the Yugoslav federation) was under the firm control of their 1912-13 partners in crime, the Serbs, they believed that they had nothing to fear about.

The oldest known inhabitants of the Demir Kapija region were the Paeonians who lived there from the 4th to the 1st century BC according to FYROM's Demir Kapija site. The fact that the Macedonians conquered Paeonia has nothing to do with it. Paeonia became a Macedonian dependency and Paeonians were allowed to keep their Kings.

History of Japan, 16th century Sengoku Jidai "Oda Nobunaga, Toyotomi Hideyoshi and Tokugawa Ieyasu stepped in to destroy all remaining rivals to fully and completely conquer Japan. All three are credited with the unification of Japan." Read about it, and see how you conquer a country and then unify it - you might learn something.

I'm not making any claims whatsoever. You used the word 'fake', not me. I merely stated comments made by geneticist Carsten Pusch, and Scientists from Eupedia's Genetics forum.

History of Japan "Oda Nobunaga, Toyotomi Hideyoshi and Tokugawa Ieyasu, stepped in and destroyed all remaining rivals to fully and completely conquer Japan. All three are credited with the unification of Japan."

Most were exchanged or were kicked out.

Macedonia - My name will be negotiable very soon!!

The funny part is that Grouevski has actually Greek origins and his real name is Nikolaos Grouios(Νικόλαος Γκρούιος).He makes all that anti-Greek propaganda because he has complex with his real identity.....

Some Greeks today, ignoring historical evidence, insist that the 1912, 1913 Balkan conflict was about liberating ancient territories that belonged to Greece some 2, 400 years ago.1. Why did Greece agreed to sign the 1913 Treaty of Bucharest allowing Serbia to gain some 38% of Macedonia's territory and Bulgaria 11%? Why did Greece NOT demand, at least for the record, historical rights while signing the Treaty?

FACTS: greece for the first time in history occupied Aegean Macedonia in 1913 as per the Bucharest Treaty, at that time Bulgaria occupied Pirin Macedonia and Serbia occupied Vardar Macedonia, prior to 1913 this was Macedonia in full, now the only free part of Macedonia is Republic of Macedonia which regained its freedom from Serbia. The people that today live in Aegean Macedonia had to live as greeks by force or were forced out as were 500,000 children and adults. this is a documented fact.

I GIVE YOU A CANDY SINCE YOU DO NOT SPAM :)) BRAVO! BUT WUOULD YOU TELL ME WHO WAS DROLLING FOR FORENSIC'S ANALISIS??? WHERE DID THEY PICK UP THE MARKERS?? iGENEA AND ARNAIS VILLENA HAD EXPLANED HOW DID THEY PERFORMED THEIR ANALISIS...SO U HAVE TO AND U MUST KNOW HOW FORENSICS HAVE PERFORMED THIER ANALISIS. IN WHAT I BELIVE I SIMPLY KNOW...RIGHT??

The Vardar Banovina or Vardar Banate or Vardarska Banovina (Serbo-Croatian: Vardarska banovina, Вардарска бановина) was a province (banovina) of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia between 1929 and 1941. It was located in the southernmost part of the country, encompassing the whole of today's Republic of Macedonia, southern parts of Central Serbia and southeastern parts of Kosovo. It was named after the Vardar River and its administrative capital was the city of Skopje.

I don`t force anybody to do anything. I don`t want to convince Macedonians who live in greece, to unite with me and make separated nation. If some of them have already been brainwashed and believe that they are greeks, it`s their problem. But as I said before, MY NAME IS NOT NEGOTIABLE! It is the only name that my country was called, much before my birth! Can`t you understand it? It`s so simple!

"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" (Kiro Gligorov, FYROM's first President to Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992)

The ancient Macedonians (Makedones/Makednoi) of Alexander the Great were racially Greeks,spoke Greek and lived in what is today the Greek region of Macedonia. Ancient Macedonia was a region inhabited by Greek tribes, one of whom were the Makedones. In the mid 19th century, the Ottomans expanded the geographic borders of the historic Macedonia for administrative regions. So the whole geographic region of Macedonia includes ancient Macedonia (modern Greek Macedonia) and Paeonia (modern FYROM)

because since always we are on this REGION!

You also have the "kingdom of Sparta" What, werent ehy Geeks? Hellenic was the general term. Since they werena united country each tribe was its own state/country. Did you seee the video? It says it clearly.

@Irukandji78 - Republic of Macedonia help Greece 2-3 years ago sending 3 special planes to fight fire , but I dont believe that GR media even notice that !

grandfather of our premiere Nikola Gruevski was killed in the Greco-Italian War in 1940 as a Greek soldier. Greek state has raised a monument to the heroes of the village Kroshoradi northwestern Greece near Florina. written with Greek names ... like Nikos Gruyos ....... you can see in this video t

You don't know? Such an important thing!!!!

Igenea looked at the whole geographic region of Macedonia which consists of the anc. Greek Kingdom of Macedonia (Greek Macedonia) plus the Former Ottoman Province of Macedonia (FYRMacedonia and Bulgarian Pirin) and looked for ancient markers, These markers Igenea named 'macedonian' because they were found in the majority in this geographic region of Macedonia. Ancient tribes in FYROM were Paeonians, Sarmatians, Dardanians etc and in Greece ancient tribes were the Makedones of Alexander.

Dude people ahve something called ',MOTHER TONGUE' It is one of the factors that defies their identity

@kalampakas And like small parts of Macedonia are today in the states of Bulgaria, Serbia and Albania, so too parts of Luxembourg are parts of Germany and France.

Leftists began identifying as Slavomacedonians, joining the communist-dominated rebel 'Democratic Army of Hellas'.At the conclusion of the Civil War (1946-49), most Slavomacedonians left Greece and settled in the Yugoslavia. Some of them also emigrated to Canada or Australia.

Samples from one hundred and seventy-two unrelated Macedonians in Skopje (Institute of Blood Transfusion, Tissue Typing Laboratory), the Republic of Macedonia capital, were used for HLA genotyping and phylogenetic calculations. All were Macedonian language speakers and their ancestors did not belong to a country minority group

@vasilischristoglou ok now you sound really stupid. let me explain, i did say greek and greece never existed before 1829, people today call it ancient greek because its the name that was adopted for that period. 2nd, you speak of Macedonian being a slavic language with slavic characters??? well the Macedonian Alphabet was created by Kiril and Metodija in SOLUN, which you today call thessaloniki, you know "the now occupied part of Macedonia by greece". MAKEDONIJA