jumping back?? this is real taiji at a very high level. some things you have to feel and cant understand from watching a video

This is the stuff the charlatans imitate, but Ma was the real deal. There is no "medicine show" in this vid, only real push hands with deep internal technique exhibited by one of the very best to ever practice this art.

Yes DPGDPG I have to thank you for this (and your other vids). Master Liang was an amazing man of the internal. The community is greatly diminished without his presence.

One of the true greats of our time. A real martial artist and a credit to all the masters before him.

GENIAL . MUCHAS GRACIAS .

one word. amazing.

Perfect

I have never seen Tai chi used like this before, only in movies; but its so cool. Very good chinese martial art.

@itinerantpoet1341

2 жыл бұрын

The only true internal master we've seen in the movies is Yu Chenghui. (Yu Hai's mantis in 1982 Shaolin Temple also:)

You're critizising Ma Yueh Liang's Taijiquan. Why not do the same with Yang Chen Fu, Sun Lu Tang or Chen Xiao Wang, while you're at it. This guy really throws his student without so much as moving to a side (see last throw), he's perfectly rooted.

Obvioulsy gr8 tehniq. Thank you :-) Whats the music anyway?

a TRUE master.

@itinerantpoet1341

2 жыл бұрын

One of very few in any generation.

The harder you try, the harder you fall

well said

whats that guys name again? Steven somebody right? Shi Meilin's ex-husband in Wellington NZ. Anyone remember?

at 1:10, i think the move is a 3-D spin, look closely at Yuehs, left hand movement, i think he spins upwards along with sideways, which would throw the oponents shoulder differently, i beleive, accounting for the stumble factor

Manh..Ma Yueh Liang truly is amazin!! i need to do alittle research now!! no disrespect but is he dead??j/w

It is impossible to disengage with Ma or anyone following correct Wu style principles as attempting to do so will cause Ma to fill in the empty space.

@itinerantpoet1341

2 жыл бұрын

Very true, and not only Wu. Don't imagine this very great lineage developed in a vacuum.

@nicopsico: Si querés, ignorá las partes en que el alumno sale corriendo para atrás. Lo que queda es innegable. Si aún con eso dudás, fiate el último lance.

@Moparmal "He has little root" -HAHAHHA! Root does NOT equal deep low stance, my young friend! But thanx for the entertainment, and you're right on about those other points -happy practice, and hope you meet soneone with real internal force and root soon, then you'll know what I mean!

@itinerantpoet1341

2 жыл бұрын

We have to go low when we're young b/c our technique is not deep. (It's similar to how younger fencers have to make bigger adjustments with their feet, but the old masters, in Wudang and FIE, can do it with minute adjustments:)

thank you

@nicopsico: no hay ningun truco. garandido! he is a real great master. one of the greatest of the '900.

yes...He did show me. Chin(eyes) up. See the way of others. Not feel hand! Move them away. Strike.

yes the young man is stephen yan

tai chi, bagua, xing yi, internal wing chun = correct use of body mechanics haha, and what you saw is the kind of power that comes up with the correct use of the body, quite explainable and real... haha some comments here are quite funny, educate yourself before you start bullshittin around, please :)

Pettily he had gone to heavy, but his son and students will continue his teaching.

正宗！

steven hayes one of the last ninjas!!

This is TRUE old age. Instead we have made old an impediment and a weakness!

It's 100% true, but you will believe him by his touching or you are a genius.

actually this guys root is deeper in the earth than it´s own centre haha ^^

alguien me puede confirmar que eso sea real?????? qun no hay truco???

Either the old man is really good...or the young guy is really outta shape!

@mcul2112: Sorry then, my bad!

Whilst Ma was certainly a well reknowned master. His senior, Wu Kung Yi was a full time martial artist and instructor of Whampoa Military teaching the elite china military officers as well as the representative of Tai Chi at the Macau fight so I wouldnt write him off.

@itinerantpoet1341

2 жыл бұрын

No doubt, but I'm not sure how that's relevant here. A lot of the great masters trained soldiers and officers, not just Wu Kung Yi.

Stephen Yan

yes, thats sadly the fate of most martial arts threads. who cares who's master's master trained 8 hours a day and who trained 9?

@itinerantpoet1341

2 жыл бұрын

Nobody cares b/c we can all see who trained the hardest and most correctly over the longest periods just by watching them. But the real question is, how much time do *we* put in, such that perhaps a small handful will be able to preserve the true art for another generation.

yeah he is dead he is like 80 something or 90 something in this video

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ya and all goalies just jump out of the way during penalty kicks just to make Henry look brilliant.

Sorry but I can't help wondering if the partner is being overly compliant.

@kentishtowncowboy

10 жыл бұрын

I do practise Tai Chi Chuan. I'm also well-versed in Ju Jitsu so I'm not uninformed. I shall give your comment so thought. Thank you.

@mj137jm

10 жыл бұрын

I can understand why people think that this is fake. Is there some cooperation? Yes, but none at the end when the student flies out or falls to the ground. Maplewalnuht is mostly correct in that the student is twisted up and under a great deal of physical pressure. In addition, the student is also off balance, and, Master Ma knows how to use it in a very subtle way. The cooperation is in the beginning, when the student does not attack and instead just touches Master Ma's arm(s). If the student just attacked it would be even worse for him as there would be much more off balance and force for Ma to use against him. If the attacker was a highly skilled fighter of almost any style, or no style, he MIGHT give Master Ma trouble, if he was free to attack in any way he wanted to, use feints first, etc. All others would be no problem, no matter what they did, unless they had a weapon. And, remember, Ma could hit very hard too. Real tai chi is way too subtle for most to understand without long study. It does look fake until you feel it yourself. If you are in the Los Angeles area you can check out Ma's student, Gerald Sharp. He is open to FRIENDLY testing by those who are interested in studying real internal martial arts. Gerald teaches Ba Gua and Hsing Yi too and has trained some high skilled Ju Jitsu men to be even better.

@kentishtowncowboy

10 жыл бұрын

mj137jm Thank you for the courtesy, literacy and thoughtfulness of your reply. It is kind of you to take such trouble. I've reviewed it and see your points. The last move is 'leading into the void' and its done with aplomb. I recall being thrown around a dojo by another student, who was very skilled and understood the breaking of balance far better than I. That said, it was some 15 years ago. I was training Ba Gua under Edward Hines at that time. I have great admiration for the sophistication of Ba Gua. Also for Luo De Xui, whom I also had the pleasure of witness. Still, I could only ride one horse at a time, so I made my choice - Trad JJ - not least because it gave me an immediacy and a bedrock of practical experience. I have returned to Tai Chi and get to visit a very high grade instructor in London; though sadly, not often enough; work supervenes. He's also an Adept in Ba Gua but his real passion is Xing Yi. For me, the Trad JJ path continues but I retain my hope to return to Ba Gua and explore more Tai Chi. Every good wish.

@chrisyoshi7365

9 жыл бұрын

mj137jm Very well said; thank you for putting this so clearly. The techniques do work, and they work according to the circumstances they are designed for, just like any other martial art. In this respect martial arts are all underlaid by logic and to some degree a demonstration like Master Ma's is given to show that logic within certain limits. Of course Ma is at the creative level of skill and so his techniques are quite freely applied.

@kentishtowncowboy

8 жыл бұрын

There are a slew of great Tai Chi teachers in London. My instructor has been Keith Alker but I've had to miss quite a few classes of late. Dreaming Dragon has an excellent reputation in Camden (where I am) as does Tai Ji Circle. Both are Chinese and teach Chen Style and much more. Google them and good luck. Hope it helps.

Liang shows good sensitivity, uses an open hand and doesn't "tug" on his opponent which is good Tai Chi. Unfo, he's unbalanced and has little "root", which means excessive force would see him fall over and unable to "yield" quickly enough or far enough to maintain distance form his opponent. he needed to domnay more "technicals" to be more "stable" with the yin and yang of his opponents force.

@itinerantpoet1341

2 жыл бұрын

lol. One look at your playlist, and anyone can tell you have little interest in this art. (It explains why your comment reflects so poorly on you. Are we to believe that you are one of he greatest tai chi masters in living memory that you can critique one who actually was?)

I can understand why you think what you think! However there is truth here,seek and you shall find real internal martial arts....or do a youtube search on `chi blast tricks explained `for a explanation on how and why...

Whatever the Hell this is, it AIN'T Tai Chi ( Ch'uan ). Compare this comedy routine with Morihei Ueshiba's Aikido and you'll see how ridiculous it really is.

@itinerantpoet1341

2 жыл бұрын

O-Sensi was great, especially those videos from when he was very old. But you guys need way more motion than we do, and your internal isn't as deep. (No disrespect intended.) Where do you think Aikido came from?