M1 Enforcer Carbine Pistols
There are rarely any truly original ideas in the gun world, and today's "pistol" ARs and AKs are not among them. Back in the 60s and 70s, companies were marketing the "Enforcer" M1, a pistol version of the WWII M1 Carbine. Of these two, one is made of military surplus parts by Iver Johnson and one made of new-production commercial parts by Universal.
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I started my police career in '68, and these were quite popular with coppers. At the time, there was no such thing as the "patrol rifle", we were limited to the police shotgun. These little guys would give quite a lot of firepower in a compact package if the situation warranted. (remember, back then the standard police handgun was a revolver)
@mr.gabriel382
6 жыл бұрын
Mark Werner back in the days when you had to run to the car to get help cause no walkie!
@SlaaneshChampionMako
5 жыл бұрын
nowadays cops roll down the street in MRAPs, toting m4's and SAWs and wearing plate carriers because somebody saw a kid with a stick
@DeagleGamesTV
5 жыл бұрын
@Zach Michaelis Maybe people should, i would. Those who do usually live to tell the tale.
@TheJarric
5 жыл бұрын
was revorver stuck due cost or training
@vmpere2637
5 жыл бұрын
@@DeagleGamesTV How do those boots taste, bootlicker?
2:40 "Let me shit...let me show you..." LOL Interesting video
@FreeForAllFreak
9 жыл бұрын
Haha! So i wasnt the only one that noticed :)
@kenpachizaraki87
9 жыл бұрын
lol
@phoonbazinga4851
9 жыл бұрын
James Wolf Also sounded like he said: "Let me shitely show you..."
@MisterBones2910
8 жыл бұрын
+James Wolf It's because he suddenly stopped talking, so it sounded like a dropped consonant. Many accents drop consonants and such accents are often stereotyped as being commonly employed by people who swear a lot.
@cheeseofglass
8 жыл бұрын
+Lee Jones sounds like he slurred "quickly" and "show" into one word.
I went to the RIA data. Over $1k for each? Really? I remember when these came out. The Universal was a pos then. I guess that line in "Raiders of the Lost Ark" is true: "Look at this. It's worthless - ten dollars from a vendor in the street. But I take it, I bury it in the sand for a thousand years, it becomes priceless. Like the Ark."
@resmarted
4 жыл бұрын
It's called supply and demand.
@edgelordmcmemington810
4 жыл бұрын
deep scuba “maybe one day you too, will be worth something Dr Jones.”
@evilcowboy
4 жыл бұрын
the price tag is so steep because they are no longer made so when they are gone then they are gone. This is why gas was around $1.19 a gallon in the 70's which was an expensive hike from what it was but today you would be over the moon to find gas that cheap. But if its a POS then its not really worth it unless buying for nostalgia.
@kimthurston9192
3 жыл бұрын
Just bought one from a gun store, looks new for 650.00
@bad74maverick1
2 жыл бұрын
@@evilcowboy I paid a 1.19 for gas in the early 2000's before the OPEC hike. Not sure that was the same price in the 70's.
I am bidding on those and on a pirate hat.
@happyjohn354
6 жыл бұрын
if you want a new one they are more accurate because of improved rifling www.inland-mfg.com/Inland-Handguns/M1-Advisor.html
@Theboomdoctor
6 жыл бұрын
That is an acceptable life choice. May you collect much treasure
@darrenskjoelsvold
4 жыл бұрын
I gotta know, did you win?
@Thaddeus2007
3 жыл бұрын
@@darrenskjoelsvold I second that. So did you win?
@magenlin
Жыл бұрын
It's been 7 year we can only assume that he died in a raiding party
I remember these from the late 1960's. I'll give you $50 dollars...... for both of them. And that's being generous.
@pauliegualtieri4314
4 жыл бұрын
...and let slip THE DOGS OF WAR!
i can picture hickok 45 doing a woods walk with one of these. lol
When I was in Vietnam (1968-69), this was one of the most popular conversions around especially the M2 version. Technically these weapons were issued to various South Vietnamese army unitsbut there was always a way to get your hands on one.
"too many guns out there" " t o o m a n y g u n s o u t t h e r e " " too many guns out there"
@fauxhound5061
5 жыл бұрын
Honestly.. I felt betrayed when he said this. If it was anyone but gun jesus himself saying this, I wouldn't care
@michaelmoorrees3585
5 жыл бұрын
@@fauxhound5061 - Too many gun designs that lack any novelty, or innovation, is what I get from what he said. I own an M1 Carbine, and I remember the Enforcer, from Gun Digest, when I was old enough to buy my own guns. They were dirt cheap. Heck my surplus carbine was fairly inexpensive. I'm shocked now at the price of common handguns ! Should have bought more, just as an investment. Better than dot-com stocks !
@killroywashere2282
2 жыл бұрын
@@fauxhound5061 hes not a god , not even a marine , ive never been impressed
There was a bit of popular literature in the time period of these guns which celebrated the exploits of the Mafia, and unique weapons used by Mafia enforcers such as sawed off shotguns, and occasionally, sawed off or "pistolized" rifles in areas where handguns were restricted, such as NYC. Thus, these were really more in keeping with the weapons of Mafia enforcers, but without the legal liabilities of sawed off M1 Carbines.
@yetanother9127
7 жыл бұрын
The Russian Revolution had something very similar, namely sawn-off Mosin-Nagant rifles, nicknamed "Obrez" (Russian, lit. "chopped down"). I always thought they were pretty neat; they look a bit like flintlock-era horse pistols.
@jackleonard3860
5 жыл бұрын
@gary robinson the .221 fireball Remington XP 100 ?
@kochaos6129
5 жыл бұрын
Wow an early AWB.
@dylanmorgan2752
5 жыл бұрын
That’s true I even seem to remember one famously being used by Boston Winter hill leader, Jimmy ‘Whitey’ Bulger when he murdered a drug addict who was snitching his organisation to the FBI, in a car park. It was brought to light even more recently in the 2012 film ‘Black mass’ where he was played by Johnny Depp, where he basically did a hit a run using one of these sawn off carbines. Can see where people see the mafioso connection.
@evilcowboy
4 жыл бұрын
interesting I didn't know the mafia used pistol versions of rifles cut down. Well if they made handgun laws overly restrictive people get creative. Its like they say to themselves "we don't want you to have a concealable pistol so here are some laws that makes it hard". Then someone chops down a rifle to bypass the law and they don't see a bigger problem with people having a concealable weapon that is then capable of making it through every police vest issued. Ah lawmakers. I wish we would just stop letting lazy and dumb people make laws. When it comes to gun laws no one who actually knows about them has any input, instead you get some idiot who has never fired a gun ever and designs laws that get other people killed. Its the same with anything, if a person lacks the skills to know how to do something then they have 0 business considering making a law about it. Its not like we let prostitutes do open heart surgery, they lack the credentials. So if a politician does not have machining and overall knowledge of guns then they should not be allowed to put their 2 cents into it. Jesus those people know a handful of terms that are completely incorrect and unprofessional to cite for reasons of making a law. Assault rifle (a literal verb that they tried to make an adjective), ghost gun (thats just funny because now its a noun/verb attempting to be an adjective again), telescoping stock (really I thought it adjusted length of pull and not used as a scope), pistol grip (this is normal on a fucking pistol, when used in conjunction with the AR or AK its a goddamn rifle grip because its on a goddamn rifle), muzzle device (so generalized its just retarded since its a description of several items and could even mean the cap some companies use to protect the threads), barrel shroud (I'll remember this one next time I shoot a few hundred rounds and I am gonna intentionally set it down in dry grass, maybe when half the forest burns down then they may understand the purpose of it) and high capacity magazine (this is stupid as well since the original standard for the AK was 30 rounds and 20 for the AR, I agree that means they are standard capacity.) Well I guess its what happens when retards make laws.
Make a video of you duel welding those guns. Come on you know you want to.
@MartinWillett
9 жыл бұрын
Ieuan Hunt Welding during a duel is not to be recommended. I suspect you meant dual wielding.
@MartinWillett
9 жыл бұрын
***** Most people do it in a shed.
@Bladsmith
9 жыл бұрын
***** But how did you crawl inside the bottle?
@AE-dh6zj
9 жыл бұрын
PEOPLE PLEASE! He obviously is a professional, as welding during a duel is very dangerous, one must need question one's skills.
@dustinhinzman
7 жыл бұрын
Ieuan Hunt yes that would be sweet
I thought these were rubber band guns when i saw them in the thumbnail.
I like the barrel shroud, and the mil parts one has a nice handle. Inland manufacturing now makes something similar in their “M1 Advisor Pistol”
Another great video. I was always curious about these pistols after I saw one at a pawn shop. Didn't know the Universals were that much different. Also, great job with the videos so far. I was watching some of your earlier RIA videos and the difference and quality is huge. Keep up the great work.
Coolest guns I've seen in a while on this channel
@FreakinPeanuts
9 жыл бұрын
surfinburdlax I used to have one and I will say they are a blast, so much fun.
Another great example of early rifle-to-pistol conversions is the Mare's Leg, which is basically a cut down lever action rifle. Would love to see Ian make a video on one of those!
I had a WWII surplus .30 carbine. The only problem I had with it was it didn't like 30 rd mags. Using 15 rd mags it functioned perfectly. A shorter barrel carbine with a collapsible stock would be handy. The .30 carbine round is more powerful than a 9 mm. 110 grain hollowpoints (instead of FMJ) zipping along at about 1900 fps will knock a bad guy down.
I laughed when you were finishing up the part about the iron sights. your genuine reaction was hilarious.
Man I am so glad I found your channel. Great content! Well done and very entertaining/informative
+Forgotten Weapons I understand that this is a older video but I would like to tell you that my father was a police officer in the south bend Indiana area in the mid 70s and was also a police officer in Chicago in the late 70s early 80s the enforcer was a go-to weapon for a "car gun". Later my father replaced it a Ingram mac-10 45acp simi automatic of course, but they used the small guns for a quick grab fire arm that they personally purchased. back in those days they carried revolvers and its was not uncommon for police officers to shot from a vehicle or, sadly get ambushed at stop light or sitting in there vehicles. it most enforcemers lived shoved in between the bench seat because police car at the time did not have center consoles. keep up the good work and I love the history lessons that come with your great videos.
@willkenny5687
6 жыл бұрын
Security Officer JD Knowing how bad chicago gets, I can definitely understand wanting more close range firepower.
@hughhunter4854
6 жыл бұрын
Security Officer JD i
You are my hero for creating this channel. Thank you! I will undoubtedly have many more guns to add to my wish list after looking through your archive. I would love to see a Browning BDA on you channel....
Thanks Ian. Enjoy your videos very much!
The very first firearm I ever fired was a gun passed down by my Grandpa, it was an old break action 16' gauge shotgun made by Iver Johnson. The sight blade that ran the whole length of the barrel must have been a full 2 mm higher on one side of the barrel as one looks down it, but it worked just fine, taken quite a few birds in its day. Thanks for reminding me of Iver Johnson.
Nice work. Love your choice of firearms you present !
Thanks for producing this, it was a very nice comparison of the two guns. Its also very interesting to see some of the design changes that made them more economical. Are you left handed Ian? I've seen you shooting with both hands I believe but I notice that you handle the guns left handed.
@ForgottenWeapons
9 жыл бұрын
Alessio Yautja Yes, I am left handed.
@tregenjeshtaret9204
7 жыл бұрын
Alessio Yautja
@tregenjeshtaret9204
7 жыл бұрын
Forgotten Weapons 78
the m1 enforcer is really the only pistol rifle that I want. I think they look awesome and would go great with my m1 carbine.
Dude you have some of the best content too date with the most rare weaponry! Very thankful!
I would really like that Iver Johnson Enforcer. I will have to pay attention to when the auction is, though as always I fear the price will go to high. It is a fun gun, but with a stock on it, that would make an awesome home defense rifle. .30 Carbine is a good round for short range engagements like in a house.
I have the nickle plated version Universal that has GI parts. The receiver, barrel and Trigger group are Universal and the slide, bolt and gas block are GI.
Rain Spiders gun was a real thing. I owe a friend some cash.
@jamesmack9598
8 жыл бұрын
Both the comment I was looking for and the reason I clicked this video lol
@mrflyingcow5423
8 жыл бұрын
More like stain spider :D
@Cptcupcakeable
7 жыл бұрын
Me too lmao
@junichiroyamashita
5 жыл бұрын
Rain spiders?
I like my M1 carbine and wish that the industry and consumers would show this design some love. It's an overall good design that's reliable and easy to shoot. The cartridge is surprisingly more powerful than people give it credit yet recoil is minimal. It feels like shooting a 9mm carbine but it has more than double the effective range.
@gunner678
7 жыл бұрын
it is a great weapon and the french prized the m1 carbine above all weapons in indochina! its a masterpiece! this chop job is aweful!
@Toolness1
7 жыл бұрын
There are at least two companies making these currently, and I think they are now much better than something like an old Universal model. Those were known for issues. As far as this design suddenly becoming more widespread at this time, it's not going to happen. It's an old design and expensive to produce. A faithful model made today is a grand or more due to the materials and time to make them. The ammo is uncommon and expensive compared to much better cartridges like .223. I love M1 carbines too, but it's always going to be a collectors gun with people simply having more money than brains paying more $$ for a newly made model vs a good condition REAL military surplus rifle. I would rather have a "real" one any day especially when you can get one cheaper!
@gunner678
7 жыл бұрын
Toolness1 amen to that!
@happyjohn354
6 жыл бұрын
these guys sell newly made M1 carbines and other period weapons including the M1 pistol they improved the rifling so its actually more accurate www.inland-mfg.com/Inland-Handguns/M1-Advisor.html
@motorcop505
6 жыл бұрын
M-1 carbines are such iconic weapons that is seems like blasphemy to cop them down like this!
Those bring back memories of the mid 80 and 90s in jamaica when we used to regularly take those off of dead gun men. Yeah, not the best gun if your life depends on it. Ploice locker was full of those and Lugers and Thompsons.
One other thing to keep in mind about the stamped slides is that the cam slot has a habit of splitting or cracking with heavy use. At least that isn't as bad as some of the late commercial production National Ordnance carbines that had a much reduced slide that cycled too fast and would pound the gun to death.
I had the Universal model back in the early 80's. Genuine P.O.S. jammed all the freaking time. Probably the only firearm I don't won't back.
@rmo52
3 жыл бұрын
I think 99% of Universal carbines did that. Mine sure did along with everyone else's who I knew that had one. Sad state of affairs on the manufacturing level. Mine was early 70s.
I met a neighbor years ago that had an Enforcer. It was the Iver Johnson. He called it his super plink-o-matic.
Your channel is pure gold.
whenever I see these, I think "Patty Hearst and the SLA" :D
I have a Universal Carbine. It is a fine shooter. To use "banana" magazines the locking lugs have to be filed down to fit into the well. The Universal Enforcer grip looks like they used the leg from a couch or console TV.😑
My Universal front collar (barrel band) came lose on a hot barrel, and the front sight moved, so I put a springfield 03A3 sight on it. I put a barrel sling mount behind it, and a stock end sling stud similar to the Iver Johnson,.The Universal receiver is factory drilled and tapped for a scope mount, that an AimPoint fits to. . . .All tweaked up, it is light fast accurate, low recoil, easy recovery, and a real joy.
Rain Spider wants his gun back.
@Justowner
8 жыл бұрын
+tgillies101 Desert punk reference?
@tgillies101
8 жыл бұрын
+Justowner Your very correct :)
@georgerrmartin6712
6 жыл бұрын
Glad im not the only one who recognized it!
I just bought one of these. needs a little work but I'm pretty happy to add this to my collection.
Truly beautiful firearms!.. Some people love cars, boats etc etc but I love unique firearms such as these.. The more I research the more I come across unique and great firearms such as these and some are being sold for dirt cheap and it amazes me.
I have a Universal M1 carbine. It runs perfectly fine with the weird 4 shot plastic mag it came with. But if I try and put one of those Korean mags in it especially the 30 rounder's it wont even chamber the first round. It definitely fun to shoot.
Universal also made a gold plated model. Very rare. I've got two. One will be available for purchase soon.
Love you Ian! Big fan!
I have an NPM ww2 issue M1, referbed post war by Anniston Arsenal and I have my 1970s universal. The universal duel spring is a bit better, but the op rod broke away from the block and my fathers best friend who owns a local gun repair shop had to weld it back together. he said it was a common problem with the universals.
Those are awesome!
Just subscribed thanks for the awesome quality content
I owned the Iver Johnson version back when they were new. Terrible execution/excellent toy
I like how these ones look, there's something appealing about them.
Aiming aside I'd much sooner have the 1st one made from spare m1 military parts... That & the pistol grip looks more shooter friendly.
In WW2 my father was stationed in the Phillipines as the Provost Marshal of an area that still had some active fighting. He had been a Chicago Police officer before being drafted. He said he spent much of his time in a Jeep going from one area to another and wanted a weapon he could easily manuver while at the wheel. He had local craftsman cut down the stock to just a pistol grip and shorten the barrel. He said he could keep in on his lap or next to him with no one noticing. When he was the Enforcer hit the market he wanted to get one so bad.
Great as always.
These are nice looking carbines! Surprised they werent more popular.
I like the one that is using the surplus parts... It just screams to me how much more it is to the rifle variants looked like but more compact.
Iver Johnson M1 pistol.... WANT :) Love the look of that thing :)
Thanks for this video; I got one of these from my grandmother and didn't have much info from them. It is a very fun firearm, although the firearm is not very effective now.
I own the Universal Enforcer version. It's a fun little compact gun. No problems with it. Haven't shot it in a looong time though.
Pistol becomes rifle's rifles become pistol's
Now these are cool!
Friggin awesome, Gun Jesus.
A ww2 vet a paratrooper used an m1 carbine with the folding stock removed, seen it in his collection numerous times
Im distracted by all those LUGERS! Holy crap, just look at them all! I dont think ive ever seen so many in one place! What I wouldnt give to just look at them in person, so cool!
SBR stamp plus suppressor, these would make AWESOME little truck guns. I wonder how they would handle 180+gr bullets for subsonic loads...
i love ur hilarious voice cracks
I'm always a fan of stuff that's Iver Johnson...
reminds me of a man I met helping a friend with a project at his father in law's house he was showing off his collection... he collected "cowboy guns" he had hundreds of pistols of various makes all over his house and a number of rifles a few shotguns but not as many as pistols.. a lot of them were in display cases or cabinets some were on little pegs on things that looked like game trophy mounts others were stashed in various desk (so many desk) side boards and what not scattered around the house... another friend of mine that was helping as well commented/joked about how would he choose if he had an intruder or what ever and he showed us his "ready" gun kept in a big sideboard drawer that was in a short hallway leading into his kitchen there was a m1 enforcer carbine with a couple of 30 shot mags clipped together...i reckon that would work don't know why he kept it near his kitchen but then again that I know of he never needed it for anuthing but taking up space in that drawer so it all worked out i suppose...i wonder who got that collection???
I shot one of these once and they are a blast to shoot. I was pretty good at rolling a can with it at 15 yards. Not a real practical gun but it could serve nicely in a pinch for defensive applications.
I remember seeing these a lot in gun shops as a kid
These are cool. I'd like to see one with a 6" barrel, and a left side charging handle. Kind of like a modernized cross between an original scorpion and an M1.
thanks again
I’ve owned numerous M-1 carbines and love them for fun shooting . Not the best rifle ever made but passable. You couldn’t give me one of these except the GI version...for spare parts.
>M1 Carbine Pistol >No Select-Fire M2 Pistols 0/10 Gun Chop-Shops get it together
In the 1980's Auto-Ordnance made a Tommy pistol. If I recall (because I lusted for one) it was the model 1927-A5.
So many years later on this video. I almost bought one of those back in 1977 at the Tamiami Gun Shop. Now, I sort of wish I'd bought it. Back then, it wasn't too hard to find the M-2 parts to give it "selective fire." I thought the ammo cost too much and bought a Marlin .30-30 for $75 instead.
a friend of mine had one of those old Enforcer's it was a cool little carbine my Dad diddn't want me to get one so I bought a used Remington 700 in 243 it was a old ADL model with just a fixed power Redfield X6 scope .but I bagged hundreds of Groundhogs and Whitetail's with that old rifle.
These are like the mare's leg of the 20th century
They look so fun to plink with.
these things are sooo adorable, like little baby M1s... adorable and deadly babies...
5:43 I had to replay it four times before I herd you right. "Amongst Owners" was herd three times as "among stoners".
@tedsell1455
5 жыл бұрын
kenstr321 your thinking of the Stoner rifle (ar-15)
beautiful guns. i first saw one of these in a movie and always wondered what kind of gun it was.
The anime Helsing had these guns in it, I thought they were just making something up, a sawed off M1, but hey now I know and knowing is half the battle.
i had a universal the bolt guide broke twice. i bought a Roccola and is amazing
Happy Easter Gun Jesus
Those are sweet! I wish I could own em in NY!
If you look at some ww2 pictures of paratroopers you will see them carrying the same thing with a folding wire stock
Is there any way to mount a single point sling on here without any major modifications?
Had an opportunity to buy one like these back in mid-70s. Gave it a pass, was not something could deer hunt with. Maybe should have, but, money was, often, a stranger to me back then.
question, Has the patent became open source like the 1911. I always wanted to know whats us service weapons were now open source
@ForgottenWeapons
8 жыл бұрын
An expired patent is not the same thing as open source. Patents cover general mechanisms, not exact dimensions. The patents have long ago expired from all the small arms in US service, but that doesn't mean you get any special access to a manufacturer's technical drawings.
@BulletShogun
8 жыл бұрын
so does that mean someone can remake m1 carbines without paying royalties?
@ForgottenWeapons
8 жыл бұрын
Yes, and something like 4 or 5 companies do.
@marshaul
8 жыл бұрын
In the public domain, not open-source.
Actually that gun makes the perfect little porthole gun / building security type gun
Had one jammed alot
I actually hunted with my Universal. Shot a possum at about 70 yards. Yes it's awkward but no more awkward than my T/C Contender pistol that I also hunted with.
There's a gun shop near me that has a bunch of them for around $900
The Miami, FL PD was heavily invested into these back in the 60's and 70's for SWAT team weapons. No fancy shorty M-16 or AR-15's back then. The Universal carbines were very popular with the local Cuban refugee community and you could buy a full size one new for $69.95. I have seen many very creative home-made shorties - some with custom carved pistol grips and even stocks with grips as a single unit. Most of these served as cheap house guns or car guns.
@crazysilly2914
8 ай бұрын
nowadays they are very expensive though…over a grand...😥
sounds like all you have to do is mill the front sight down a bit to make it usable and suddenly its the superior gun of the pair XD
imho there are at least two very innovative thoughts though. one is the h&k g11 with caseless amunition. the other the kriss vector with that downward directed bolt.
I had a old iver johnson 22 cadet it was soo fun to plink with but so horrible to unload lol.
I saw a few these at a gun show and thought they were really goofy.
I'd love to visit where your collection is someday.
The universal slide Jammed way more because Shell kicker didnt reach over top to hit shell, Giving it the name Jamomatic and they thought it was the Spring lol
It’s always good to be able to aim a gun