So nice to hear a clear opinion on the two. I really liked the pike on my old bike, I think it was a bit more supple than my 36. The 36 feels good when you are pushing hard through the rough though. I'd love to try a lyric.

Had the same experience as you with the Lyrik, great fork and easy to setup. I was so surprised about how well it mitigates the bumps as you said. Broke all my personal records on the fork. Thanks for all the good info on this video.

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

blranch8 nice! Easy man ✌🏼

Thanks mate. Exactly the review I was looking hard to find as it seems noone has done a review of these two forks recently!

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Cato Hobsbawn LYRIK all day!

@antoanangelov5672

3 жыл бұрын

EVERYONE has a review on these forks

@spuddo123

3 жыл бұрын

@@antoanangelov5672 yeah they do on the factory version of the fox fork but not the performance elite

Thanks for the honest review mate. Just starting my build on a 2021 Nukeproof Reactor and that’s exactly answered my question. I e had 2 Fox forks and haven’t gotten along with them, enter RS SID on my shorter travel bike and it’s streets ahead. Can’t wait to see how the new Lyrik Ultimate feels.

@mtbtelly5522

3 жыл бұрын

I love the lyrik ultimate, but the 2021 C1 debonair spring I’m not sold on yet. So if you don’t get along with them you can easily drop the 2020/2019 air spring in and get that ultimate plushness 👌🏽👌🏽. I’ll be spending time on one soon so I’ll have a better idea of the new spring setup in a month or so

I have a fox 36 and had a lyrik on my last bike. The lyrik just felt better all around. I added the push acs3 to my fox 36 and it's great but would still prefer the lyrik. Good stuff man.

I feel the same. I have a Pivot Mach 6 with the 36 with fit damper. Did not like the harshness,so I installed the Push coil, better. Now I’ve built up a 2018 SC hightower LT with Lyrik ultimate. 👍. Not going back to Fox on any future builds anymore.

Been on the Ultimate stuff for a couple weeks....whoa baby is this stuff awesome!

I just got the lyrik ultimate last week. Buttery smooth. Made me fall in love with my bike again it's that good.

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

johnny bravo thats so good. Playing with the patrol setup got me back in love with it as well. The thing is absolutely sailing ⛵️

Thank you so much. Wish I’d seen this 8 months ago 🤦‍♂️. My current bike runs a yari and I love it. I’ve ordered a new bike that’ll be here this month and let my friends talk me into a fox 36 performance. My gut is screening stay with rock shock. Wish I’d gone with the lyrik as I wanted too. Looks like I’m in for an expensive up grade 😢

@mtbtelly5522

3 жыл бұрын

Haha the 36 performance is a great simple fork. But its no lyrik

Just ordered the Lyrik ultimate rc2, upgrading from a 2014 Fox Float 32 150 i cant wait to ride them!

@mtbtelly5522

3 жыл бұрын

Huge upgrade!

This review is 100% spot on. Thanks mate!

🤘 can confirm the nee select + pike also feels mint as. I didn't get to ride it. But did a quick little squish on a new one on the new optic. Hot damn is it so nice. Can't wait to grab a better damper for my yari

Do you know, is there any difference in the small bump sensitivity between lyrik rc2 and rct3 ? I would prefer rct3 for my use, however I would not want the plushness to suffer . Funny thing here in EU those Foxes will cost you close to double of the lyriks.

Nice video, was in doubt between a Canyon Spectral :ON CF7 and the CF8, CF7 has RS Lyrik Select and RS Deluxe Select, CF8 has Fox 36 Performance Elite and Fox Float DPX2, think I'm going with CF7 and RockShox and save the hassle to deal with Fox reliability and OCD maintenance. Plus save 800£ on the bike!!!

I've been running a 2018 36 which i upgraded to a grip 2 damper and a vorsprung lufkappe. just brought a 2021 Lyrik ultimate which has the same travel (170mm). look forward to the feel.

Got my 2021 lyrik ultimate in the mail today... need a few more parts on the bike before I can ride but I'm stoaked🤘🤘

@mtbtelly5522

3 жыл бұрын

Isaac Hale BUTTER 🧈

Great comparison! Wanted to ask, what spokes are u using on your wheelset on the pole?

Did love my old Lyrik rct3. My 36 took forever to get right with the air setup. But now with the vorsprung smashpot coil in it feels like the best fork I've used. Pain free set and forget 🤟

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Flow State Dynamics MTB what spring are you running in the smashpot for your weight?

@LegendsOfTheLoam

4 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 I'm running a 40lb spring which is classed as medium for my weight (70kg). The extra slackness of my bike makes the fork slightly harder to compress so it acts as if it's the firmer one. I have a lot of mid stroke support now and there's almost zero stichion. Still quite hard to bottom out and I only hit the hydraulic bottom out control on a huck to flat. Tbh I now have more control and traction than I know what to do with 😅

I have the Ultimates on my Levo. They're awesome.

Hi sir Telly been watching your comparison videos. Im moving towards the lyrik ulitmate. I have been playing around the fox 36 grip2 kashima fork, but couldnt get it right. Im 90kg with gears. Would it be good to get the lyrik ultimate? And also some say that the 2021 lyrik is not as good as the 2019/2020 model lyrik? Not as plush? Which year model should i get? And also does the fork still sucks down? What year model was it fixed? B1 and c1 air spring? Whats the difference? Thanks in advance

Ive got pike ultimates, they've been performing really well but when i went out yesterday i took one click off the lsc and woah!! It just came alive, super sensitive but supportive still, made my ride so much fun. I bet the lyrik is unreal compared.

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Russell Parker it definitely pays to tinker

@klamauk

4 жыл бұрын

The pike should actually feel the same, the only difference to a lyrik is the stiffness.

How much LSC and HSC you running on your Lyrik?

Good stuff MTB Telly. My soon to be arriving Banshee Prime has a Fox factory 36 waiting and ready to slot in but am tempted to go Pike or Lyrik at 150mm, the Fox is OK but the best single crown I ever had was an earlier Lyrik, apart from a 40 I had years ago I find Fox OK to average, your review echo's my findings.

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

usernamwdrama 👌🏽👌🏽 supple, supportive, simple

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

usernamwdrama holler when you’ve had some laps on the Prime. I’m eager to know what you think

@usernamwdrama

4 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 will do.

completely agree with you mate, i came from a 36 to an ultimate and couldn't be happier.

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

alex ford such a good fork

Great video man ,ozzy style 🇦🇺👌

Great review. Any experience on the new Pike Ultimate with the new damper like the Lyric's? I'm looking for something a little stiffer for trail bike (Django 29) but want to keep weight down. Other than the Lyric being stiffer, I'm curious if the Pike is now similar. Looking for 140mm travel if that helps and I weigh 76 kilos.

@mtbtelly5522

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, I tried a Pike at 160mm with the new spring a little while back and didn’t like it, changed it to the old spring and it was better instantly. But people are making the new soring work, and some like it

Could you get a rockshox super deluxe coil and test it! Would make a sick video

I am currently looking at getting the alloy GX build but after watching this video I'm wondering if it would be better to go with the NX due to having a Lyric instead of a 36. I'm not one to tinker with settings. Do you have an opinion on the to builds GX vs NX?

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Brandon Arch I’d go the GX build for the better quality drivetrain wheels and brakes, and swap out the 36s new for a nice set of lyriks

I've had my lyrik ultimate on for about a month, love it! I'm slightly heavier than you. I'm running 2 tockens, 2 clicks LSC & 10 clicks HSC, 2 clicks rebound at 75psi, feels amazing! How have you got yours set up?

@harzenduro

4 жыл бұрын

I didn't like the Lyrik Ultimate Deluxe and swapped it for a Formual Selva Coil. Couldn't be happier.

@Big_Sid_

4 жыл бұрын

Brad Brad what weight are you mate??

@brad1908

4 жыл бұрын

@@Big_Sid_ I'm 80kg with all the riding gear on bud. I've just recently changed the pressure up to 105psi for bigger jumps, still feels sweet though 👌🏼

@Big_Sid_

4 жыл бұрын

Brad Brad I’m 97kg and website reckons I should be running 95psi.......I’ll try that mate cheers

I’ve got DVO front and rear (ripmo af) and I’d love to swap out for Lyric ultimate and super deluxe coil.

@antoanangelov5672

3 жыл бұрын

RESPECT people normally are the other way around

@Andrea-qg5yk

3 жыл бұрын

@@antoanangelov5672 yeah

Great review and nice to hear some genuine honesty when it comes to these two forks. My experience is exactly the same as yours. After 6 months of riding my new Spectral with a Fox 36 I purchased a Lyrik Ultimate out of sheer frustration due to the constant mucking around with the Fox. Good stuff mate.

@TheDoctor46vr

2 жыл бұрын

Which spectral did you get?

Great video thanks. Does anyone know if there's a difference between the new Lyrik Ultimate and Lyric Select Plus aside from the HSC adjustment?

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Duncan Kowalski thats a good question, i think they’re very close but the select plus has a preset hsc where the ultimate you have the option to tune it yourself. Select plus performs just as well in my limited experience

I had my Factory 36 on my Ibis Ripmo custom tuned and it was worth every penny. It's incredibly supple, no stiction, and incredibly supportive. My Lyrik on my Commencal Meta is great too, but it's lacking small but support. Have you considered going coil?

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Cliff J I wont go coil on the front, a well set up air fork is high enough performance to not warrant the extra weight up front. On the rear with the right suspension platform I’d def run a coil, but up front its air all the way. Can fine tune the spring to be exactly the shape and support you want. A coil is likely to be just over or just under what you want support wise because of the big increment difference between springs. I’ve rancoil forks in the past, nothing beats the current Lyrik Ultimate.

@Jasonterry002000

3 жыл бұрын

I have the same bike & fork. Who did the custom tune ?

@cliffsangelsphotography

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jasonterry002000 my bike shop in SoCal called The Bike Company. They custom tune Fox Suspension. The head mechanic also tunes the Yeti team racers bikes

My Lyrik RC2 C3 150mm just came back from its first service and feels so smooth. It was very stiff before service. Now? Better than new, and I have done 500 downhill races (to work) in the forest since I bought it 2.5 years ago. The service center mentioned the Lyrik WAS caked in red grease. Sad you new a service with a new fork to make sure the service guide is followed, if you can trust your local service center.

@mtbtelly5522

Жыл бұрын

Thats a long time between services. You might find you need to re visit the your pressure and clickers to find the best performance. I can’t imagine how the 2.5 year old lowers were running. Everything feels soft again when you get a fresh service

@rewind9536

Жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 Yep, better than new, since rockshox just filled it with red grease. Nice to know that you have to service a $1000 fork as soon as you buy it.

Makes me want to try some because 36’s sure ain’t what I would call supple, but I feel like 36’s are awesome for riders like me that weigh 96kg. Plenty of support.

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Warren B. Can definitely get the 36s supple, but you gotta service the air spring so theres no excessive grease in the negative side of the chamber. It makes a big difference. But yeah when they’re both at optimum the Lyrik to me is a little plusher

@WAZmc

4 жыл бұрын

MTB Telly I should stop being so lazy and clean that shit up. I really need to play around with settings more as well. Maybe all this talk of lock down will be the perfect time to spend on suspension set up.

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Warren B. Definitely! You’re about to be given a heap of free time so you might as well invest it in getting your bike perfect 👌🏽👌🏽

I have the new 2022 Bronson mullet and thinking of switching the Fox 36 to the160mm lyrik ultimate. I’m a fan at hitting dirt jumps, so I would need a fork that’s more supportive than plush when hitting a high sloping jumps. Which fork do you think performs best in this scenario?

@mtbtelly5522

2 жыл бұрын

Both will do what you’re looking for with the right setup. The lyrik with an older B1 debonair spring will out perform the 36 everywhere, the lyrik with the current C1 spring is more in line with the 36

Hey I have a Levo sl. I want to put new suspension on the front and back. After watching this video you have me wanting to go with a Lyrik ultimate. What is your thoughts on rear end? Dpx2 or super deluxe ultimate? Thanks.

@mtbtelly5522

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely superdeluxe over the DPX2

What is the difference between the feel of a select Lyric and a Lyric Ultimate? I know that the Ultimate has more adjustability is better for than the Select but is the feel and sensitivity of the select and Ultimate the same??

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Flying Drone they’re very similar, but you don’t have to diddle with hsc on the select. I believe the lsc circuit is the same. I’d take a Lyrik select over a grip 2 36

Lyrik ultimatw or marzocchi z1?

Can I please have a model number of that mavic wheels ? They look absolutely amazing

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Phen0mable they were the newish mavic Deemax. The wheels felt excellent. Compliant and fast

Surprised at this... I've always loved the feel of fox forks, especially during my DH days. The 40 felt so much more supple than the boxxer. I ordered the 2020 spec Enduro and planned to swap the lyrik for a 36. After seeing this, will have to give the lyrik a few rides first. Have you tried the X2 shock? Would be an interesting comparison with the super deluxe.

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

JW they’re both absolutely killer forks, but the Rockshox air spring and damping is top shelf

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

JW I’ve got a comparison between the Super Deluxe and the X2 from my 2018 Trek Remedy. I’ll get the link

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

JW kzread.info/dash/bejne/eHmdqdZpc8KYg9Y.html

@jawzzy3

4 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 oh nice. I'll give it a watch. Your channel's killer. Keep it up 👍

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

JW thanks man ✌🏼✌🏼

What I found coming from a lyrik to a 36 was that the 36 needs to be set up spot on. And it’s really dependent on where your riding, how fast your riding, how your like it to feel etc. but man when it’s set up right, and especially when riding fast I’m not sure the lyrik can match it. At pace the 36 is unreal. Saying that, when it’s set up for riding fast, it’s terrible at low speeds. So it’s definitely a bit more give and take with the 36. Lyrik is hands down a better all rounder, you can do a lot more with 1 set up.

I’m sorry. Came to learn about the boxxer red fork, but I think what grabbed my attention the most was the other boxer. He looks so disgruntled lol.

Love my Lyrik 👌

I run an lyrik ultimate 180mm and Super Deluxe RCT rear coil 19 Reign Advanced 0, irons out everything and the faster you go better it gets destroys everything in its way

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Six Foot Productions thats the perfect descender right there

What would you say between the 36 rhythm and the lyrik select +? Also which between the float X performance and the super deluxe select +?

@mtbtelly5522

2 жыл бұрын

Def the superdeluxe over the float x, But the 36 Rhythm is decent, and the lyrik select plus is excellent just a little light on preset hsc (not a big deal) Less chance of a creaky steerer with the lyrik, and they’re releasing a new air spring in june for rockshox forks which will be likely superior to anything else currently on the market. Retro-fittable as well

@TheDoctor46vr

2 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 basically I'm weighing up between a Spectral AL6 vs. CF7

quite the stack height difference on those 2 bikes, like hugely different!

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

James Brant yeah the pole is definitely the bigger taller bike

Hi im 83kg and got lyrik ultimate ,how many token you recommend? Patrol transition

@mtbtelly5522

2 жыл бұрын

Depends on which debonair spring you have in your fork. 2019-20 B1 spring or the 21 C1 spring. Zero or 1 for the B1 spring, and 4 for the C1 spring

Do you have any more thoughts on the DHR2 at the frront? See you still have it mounted up!

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Alex Keyes I’m still playing around, but its a little less supple than the dhf maxx grip, a little lighter, and feels a little more responsive and free to move around. Dhf tracks a line better, feels more supple, but maybe is a little less spritely. I reckon i prefer the dhf under heavy brakes as well. But if the exo is undergunned and a thicker casing is required, the DHR2 dh maxx grip is the go I’d say. A little lighter and faster than the dhf dh, more supple casing than the exo and should have all the braking and cornering performance you need.

@alexkeyes1706

4 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 Do you feel it isnt as good over chundery rocks compared to the DHF? I compared the Assegai and DHR2 this week both DD/Maxxgrip. I felt the minion cornered better but anytime the bike was on rocks the DHR2 felt like it got deflected more, I wonder if the Assegai is just that good over rocks and roots? Blows my mind since they are both same casing and compound.

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Alex Keyes yeah just not quite as supple. That said I have a dhf maxx grip DD that feels a little harsh vs the dhf exo, so not sure what the go is there

I'm 15 and a half stone and ride a sentinel with the fox 36 performance agree that the fork does feel a bit dead so I would like it livened up could you tell me your set up again please?

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Stewart Summerside I’m about 25kg lighter than you so setup will vary but, I’ve got 1 token at 95psi, lsc 4-5 clicks from open. Hsc 17 clicks out from closed, hsr 2-3 clicks from closed, lsr full open.

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Stewart Summerside about 15% sag

What settings have you settled on with the Ultimate, including damping and rebound? Cheers

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

ben kerslake i only had them for a brief period but i reckon i had maybe 4or5 clicks of lsc, zero clicks hsc both from open.

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

ben kerslake and rebound fast but not topping out

@benkerslake4024

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@nikolavrckovic1588

3 жыл бұрын

I have same fork. And hsc from full close to full open difference is less than 10%. And lsc settings has no difference at all. Do you guys have the same experiance?

Yo Telly, religious follower and fan of your stuff. I recall the Grip 2 video in which you were to take out all the tokens and bump up the air pressure for more support. Do you find this to be true with all forks across the board? Better to tune the air pressure as opposed to getting more ramp up? Let me know your thoughts....I too am not a huge fan of volume spacers and rather have more pressure. Cheers mate!

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Miguel Navarro it depends on the length of travel and the size of the neg chamber. The old rockshox solo air shaft needed from 2-5 spacers depending on the travel. The new e-vol and debonair springs feel better with less generally to keep the pos to neg ratio right. I did try with no token and more air on my 170 36. I had to run it too high in the sag to get the right support with no token, like close to 10%. I prefer the ride quality of a fork at 15-20% sag so i build the shape of the spring to be the right amount of support at that sag, by adding or taking away spacers.

@miguelnavarro2571

4 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 I'm on a 2020 Specialized Levo E-Bike with a 150mm Rockshox Pike. I was utilizing the fork at 30% sag, but was blowing through the travel a bit too easy so i'll be bumping up the air pressure and try 25%, even 20% perhaps to try and get the support from the air spring instead of having a top out. That said, with the forks being set up as such what do you tend to run the shocks at? 25%-30%?

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Miguel Navarro i try and aim for 15-20% on the fork, any deeper than 20 up front impacts control and precision. Onthe back its usually 28-33% depending on the suspension design, and the optimal ride height for that bike. You basically tune your ride height with spacers

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Try the pike with no spacer and higher pressure. How much you weigh?

@miguelnavarro2571

4 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 220lbs

I have a lyrik rc 2019 on my remedy and it is awesome dread to think how good the new ones are

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Will Bennett a lot of the performance comes from the Debonair spring, the new damper is just icing on the cake 👌🏽👌🏽

@willbennett7107

4 жыл бұрын

Might have to look at upgrading the damper as mine only has LSC and would like some more adjustment do you think it’s a good upgrade

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Will Bennett i would stick with what you have. The rc is killer once you have the spring dialled.

@willbennett7107

4 жыл бұрын

MTB Telly its an incredible fork such a step up from the low end Reba I had before that red colour looks amazing aswell😂

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Will Bennett huuuge upgrade on a set of Rebas!

Does the Lyrik preserve the dynamic ride height you get with a 36? I'm a bit concerned it might dive more. Thanks!

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Live Aeons its all dependant on setup. Both forks will dive if the setup is too soft or under damped.

@LiveAeons

4 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 , today was my first ride on the 29er 170mm Lyrik Ultimate. Coming from a 36 Performance Elite Grip 2, just like yours. I can feel the potential of the Lyrik, but the first ride was a bit underwhelming. It fel chaotic compared to the 36. I got 70 psi with 1 token , compressions all open for starters, and put the rebound straight in the middle, but to my suprise (on the 36 I would put the LSR in the middle, and then further open it up 2-3 clicks) it felt too fast, and I had too slow it down about 2 cliks, and it still didn't feel very composed on the chundery stuff. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance!

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Live Aeons how much do you weigh?

@LiveAeons

4 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522, about 79kg with full kit.

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Live Aeons try 90-95psi with the 1 token for now. Also you may want to drop the lowers and give the spring a service. Lyriks are often good from the factory, but the norco sight i just demo’d had lyrik and they were very average out of the box til I serviced them

Hi Telly, do you think the RC2 is suitable to my weight of 57kg or should I do a shimtuning when I buy one? Jim

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

jim_ morrison nah itll be fine man. Just take the tokens out and run around 80 or so psi. Leave the hsc open to start and add lsc to dial in control. 3-4 should be sweet

@jim_morrison4583

4 жыл бұрын

MTB Telly thank you very much! I will buy one when next service is calling :) Ride on!

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

jim_ morrison you buying the damper or a new fork?

@jim_morrison4583

4 жыл бұрын

MTB Telly just the damper, I already have a Lyrik RCT3 upgraded with a debonair airshaft. But on the damper side there’s a Charger 1 RCT3 installed. Do you have any other tips?

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

jim_ morrison how many tokens you been running?

Have you tried zebs? Upgrading from my yari to a new fork (yari going on hardtail). Not sure whether to go for Zeb ultimates or Lyriks! Kona process 153

@mtbtelly5522

3 жыл бұрын

How much do you weigh? I at 74kg would go lyriks, but I haven’t tried a Zeb yet. I like the feel of the original debonair spring, which you can fit to a new lyrik, but the Zeb can only run the C1 style debonair spring. Its still a great fork I’m sure, but their current spring design won’t stand the test of time I don’t think

@trialsiain

3 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 90 kilos, give or take a few meals. Okay that is interesting, Is it not a great damper the 2.1? I understand they’ve made it not compatible so it must be larger to fit the stanchions in Zeb. I wonder if that has changed anything performance wise at all. Cheers

@mtbtelly5522

3 жыл бұрын

@@trialsiain the damper is exceptional, its just the new air spring thats questionable. At your weight though, I’d choose the Zeb for the little extra rigidity.

@FabAlb166

3 жыл бұрын

Your opinion on the airspring is interesting. What is the flaw of the new airspring in your opinion?

@mtbtelly5522

3 жыл бұрын

@@FabAlb166 I’m about to spend some time on the new airspring to get a more comprehensive idea of its performance and potential flaws. Until then I have limited time on one so I’ll hold my judgments until I’m better informed.

have you tried a coil fork or coil upgrade on 36? I have Vorsprung Smashpot.

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Johannes Nilsen i rode a 170mm 36 with smashpot yesterday actually. The 400 spring was way too soft for me but it felt butter mooth with a heap of support down in the travel

@mtbboy1993

4 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 it has hydraulic bottom out adjustment. I forgot which spring rate I have.

@mtbboy1993

4 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 I am sure you can get a coil that would work for you. there is no way I am using air suspension again, no more adjusting pressures, the consistency, lovely.👌

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Johannes Nilsen i prefer air on the front, but out back I’d definitely like a coil shock for the consistent performance, no varying pressures due to weather change etc

How many clips of hsc on a fox36...book says 16 but there are 30 clicks...whats the correct clickage lol

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Shane Brady yeah anywhere from 20-35 clicks depending on the fork. Mine has 25 clicks of hsc

Both my Lyriks have such a large Negative Air chamber that it sags a bit under its own weight so my 160mm is measuring 153-155mm. When you lift the front wheel it extends fully to 160mm. Even after removing extra grease on the air spring on both my Lyriks I get the same result. Its fine on the trail and super supple off the top. Like you i run it with no tokens and about 10-15psi more than recommended for my weight.

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

MTB_MIKE yeah thats just how they are, minimal friction so they sag a little under the bikes weight. Killer fork!

@MrYetiASX

4 жыл бұрын

Buy the 2021 air spring parts, it's like 25 bucks and it deletes this issue. My 180 mm Lyrik sits at 173 mm with the 2019 air spring, I'm planning on swaping that as soon as possible.

What's your opinion on the 2023 Lyrik Ultimate?

Were are you located in Australia

@mtbtelly5522

2 жыл бұрын

I’m in Adelaide

the lyrik just so smooth and supple,never feel that on any fork,lyrik is the best!

still same meaning? got a lyrik select with the standard charger. its rushing through my travel when braking if sag setted at 20%. dont know what to do about it. thinking about getting the 2.1 charger or a 36grip 2

@mtbtelly5522

Жыл бұрын

What year model is it? And whats your pressure, tokens and weight?

@tobiass6092

Жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 i weight slightly sub 80kg drive ready. no tokens 83psi. bike is 17kg. i think alrady about buying another fork. not really happy with the performance? new charger 3 lyrik people say is lit.

@tobiass6092

Жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 2021 lyrik select debonair

@mtbtelly5522

Жыл бұрын

@@tobiass6092 if that has the C1 spring in it that equalises at full extension, run 4 tokens at the same 83 psi. It’ll feel way better. If it has a b1 spring that equallises a couple of mm into the travel, stay with no token and increase to 100 psi. I’m pretty sure 2021 has the c1 spring

@tobiass6092

Жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 it says c2 debonair (30T91750798) on trailhead

how do you compare the bike sizes one to another?

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Victoria Pierce first ride back on the Patrol felt like the bike was too small for me, I’ve ridden bikes smaller than the pole that have felt too big for me, but this felt like it was my size weirdly. The reach didn’t feel long at 470. It slayed tight tech trail, but a hard one to bunny hop on trail. It felt like a massive bike when I got it but it worked pretty much straight away with my bar position and width

@torriehime

4 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 thanks. how tall are you?

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Victoria Pierce 174cm

Only been riding Recons, have no idea what plushness I'm missing haha.

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

tizben service them properly and they’ll treat you well till the day comes

@th_js

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, those recons absolutely suck, even compared to my 2018 Pike RC.

Avalanche suspension is moto high speed damping Next level. Told ya..!

Hi what you recommend to patrol 2019 lyrik or fox

@mtbtelly5522

2 жыл бұрын

Lyrik for sure

@mtbtelly5522

2 жыл бұрын

Both are good though

@ditomee1

2 жыл бұрын

What about rtc3 compare to ultimate worth upgrade ?

@mtbtelly5522

2 жыл бұрын

@@ditomee1 they’re both fine. The ultimate is more refined but both do the job

Man might be time to fully upgrade my 2019 Yari to a lyrik ultimate, not impressed with the yari's bump compliance at all, ive lubed it up to the nth degree but no dice, pretty sure its the damper as it has the debonair spring, good review. There will be a few (fox lyfe) haters out there for this one though!

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

samc821 whats your weight and how many tokens are you running in the yari?

@samc821

4 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 hey mate thanks for responding, currently running one token at 30% sag, roughly 125psi im a hefty 98kegs, ive tried all the way up to 3 tokens but still getting really sore elbows and wrists on the chunk, LSC at 1 or 2 clicks, rebound at 5 from open

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

samc821 hmm sounds like you’re in the ball park with pressure and tokens. Maybe bring it up to 20% with a little more air see if it keeps you in the more supple part of the travel. I like the Debonair spring with no tokens but im not sure that will be a strong enough feeling spring at 96kgs.

@samc821

4 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 I might give it a go with no tokens mate, had a lyric on my last bike(remedy) and ran that with no tokens but blew through the travel pretty fast and too linear but was reasonably supple, this yari seems to be a bit more supportive at similar pressures but that could be the more wooden feeling damper, ill keep experimenting, thanks for the input mate.

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

samc821 easy man, best of luck!

both 2020 forks ?

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Rainer Wahnsinn nah the fox is 2019

Hey mate, think i may go back to a lyrik lol. had my 38 for a couple months now and honestly just not really a fan. It just feels super racy 24/7 and needs to be pushed hard as fuck for it to feel half decent. don't mind that but i remember when i had a lyrik before it was just super nice and fun all the time. i thought i wanted something stiffer and more supportive but that extra weight and "deadness" of the 38 kills it for me. Honestly the lyrik felt better off jumps to believe it or not.

@mtbtelly5522

2 жыл бұрын

Have you pulled the air spring assembly apart on the 38 yet? They almost always come from the factory poorly finished. The bottom of the air cylinder they use is always full of grease making for a shitty ride. Once properly cleaned and greased it performs exceptionally. But yes quite a heavy fork, and not great from the factory. If you do go back to a lyrik you’ll want to source a B1 spring for it, as the newer C1 doesn’t quite match the performance of the 2019/20 lyrik

@domanater480

2 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 I haven’t yet, I was meaning to but just couldn’t justify $200 in tools after spending so much on this fork. I’m still undecided if I will sell it or not, just not sure if I will regret it or not. I did find the lyrik would blow through its travel quickly but I was running zero spacers in the past so could be why. I’m just not a fan how the 38 feels on 80% of the trails I’d love a lighter front end for sure

@mtbtelly5522

2 жыл бұрын

@@domanater480 how much do you weigh?

@domanater480

2 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 68kg

Cool

You guys should really try some Ohlins stuff, if you already like Rockshox. Ohlins is on another level, you just have to set it up a lot different

@mtbtelly5522

3 жыл бұрын

The next coil shock I buy will be the Ohlins ttx22. I’m not convinced on their forks yet but the rear shock is the real deal

@nicoofner85

3 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 forks are great too. You have to get used to them tho. You kind of have to set it up so they dive a little/use lots of travel and run a lot more compression damping than on eg rockshox. Thats just how they work, it doesn't get better if you want to work those characteristics out. After you get used to this they are so damn good:)

@mtbtelly5522

3 жыл бұрын

@@nicoofner85 that sounds terrible haha. A lot of people like a set up like that though

@nicoofner85

3 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 haha it's a little weird to explain. It does dive a little but you somwhow don't feel like it is. You kind of have to try it, you'll know what I mean.

@mtbtelly5522

3 жыл бұрын

@@nicoofner85 I’ll get on one as soon as I can

I have a lyrik and I don't like the rock shock I am a light person so the rock shock like it doesn't pass more than the 50 percent of the travel, then I tried a fox and I love it

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Francisco Muñoz what year lyrik and how many tokens you running?

@FranciscoMunoz-sc9ju

4 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 I'm running 2019 lyrik with 0 tokens

Fair comparison? The Fox 36 should be a Factory to compare to the Ultimate?

@th_js

4 жыл бұрын

There is absolutely no difference other than the Kashima coating.

@kenww776

4 жыл бұрын

Cool thanks, you are correct.

@th_js

4 жыл бұрын

@@kenww776 Yep, no worries

@maucina12

4 жыл бұрын

In europe lyrik ultimate is around 700 euro while fox factory is around 1400. Fox performance is around 900 so still more expensive than lyrik ultimate

@th_js

4 жыл бұрын

@@maucina12 Where can I get a Lyrik Ultimate for 700€?

“Dead & heavy” yup

👍

Lyric ultimate is way better, the fox 36 performance is a mid range fork, it would be more fair If it was the fox 36 Kashima, but good review

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

A for AWESOME this was a Performance Elite, so top of the range with Grip2 damper and black stanchions instead of kashima.

@willshawyer7280

4 жыл бұрын

MTB Telly ahh ok

I ride rockshox yari 180mm 2 token 100psi I'm 120kgs and bomb hills with rock gardens and I'd rather ride my yari than a 36 any day

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

lordfarquaad pretty spot on with your setup, 2 tokens at 180 seems to be on the money. 1 token at 170 on zero at 160 or less travel

Heard the lyrik 2021 is worse than the 2020 version

If you sell your bike every year or two, the Lyrik might be good, you can just pass all the problems onto the new owner. Bladder in the Charger damper need replacing? Oops sorry, new damper time as Rockshox don't sell them or provide them in any service kit. Damage your stanchion and need to replace it? Find another $450 for lower legs as Rockshox don't sell bushings to ensure you've got fresh bushings with a fresh csu that are sized correctly. It pisses me off to no end as the Lyrik (and Pike) feels beautiful and rides so well but the backup support and service part availability from Rockshox is abysmal. Don't get me started on $40 damper shafts not being sold for their rear shocks which require a new shock to be purchased when they wear out, which they will, even quicker with a trunnion mount. At least you can buy the part for a Fox. If your bike comes with Rockshox, fine, but under no circumstance could I ever recommend purchasing it aftermarket until Rockshox brings their spare parts availability up to scratch.

@mtbtelly5522

4 жыл бұрын

Oh_Sully ah thats interesting, i never knew they struggled in the spare parts department. I’ve never had a problem with sourcing bits, but never had to replace anything major. Cheers for the info!

@Oh_Sully23

4 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 I work in the industry so I see more than most, perhaps that biases my judgement, but it's a frustrating phone call to have to make, telling someone their 10 month old Super Deluxe is bin food because Rockshox won't sell a part that Fox sells for $40. It's frustrating because as you conclude, the performance is there. With the DebonAir v3 just being released the forks will get even better thanks to riding a bit higher in the travel and not sagging under just the bikes weight.

"my next bike is coming with a Lyrik" it will not be a Lyrik, it will be a ZEB

@mtbtelly5522

3 жыл бұрын

Nah I prefer the original Debonair spring available for the Lyrik, the Zeb is only made with the C1style of air spring. Lyrik all day. Maybe a Zeb if I was 90+ kg, but at 74 the Lyrik is plenty stout enough for my desires

Rockshox is the best👍

this is very subjective: I honestly think FOX is way better and you have way more options to play with.

@Andrea-qg5yk

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah but many if not almost all people won't even feel the difference in all those settings. Plus it takes an insane amount of time to set up. It's very subjective

@nilog8587

3 жыл бұрын

Fox is way more expensive nothing else lol

I prefer tha fox fork

I have the fox in my Nomad CC...And i dont like it

@mtbtelly5522

3 жыл бұрын

Cole JH have you dropped the lowers and serviced the air spring yet? Makes a noticable difference

@kuebel321

3 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 The Nomad is 2 Months old 😆

@mtbtelly5522

3 жыл бұрын

Cole JH def drop the lowers then. They usually come chocked full of grease on the neg side of the spring. Which makes them pretty shitty. I’ve made a video on it. It makes a big difference for support and suppleness

@kuebel321

3 жыл бұрын

@@mtbtelly5522 Okay 👌 I will have a look at it 🤙