LUMIX S9 + Leica M-Mount Lenses | A Match Made in L-Mount Heaven?
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0:21 part one [photo]
2:28 part two [photo]
5:54 part three [video]
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If you could choose one feature to add to this camera, which would it be? For me, it’d be an EVF.
@Malick333
Ай бұрын
If it had an EVF id probably swap it for my X100vi …
@Revan89
Ай бұрын
Mechanical shutter. The LED banding is a pain
@benjhaisch
Ай бұрын
@Revan89 have you had issues with it on the S9? I haven’t yet
@-grey
Ай бұрын
As a Ricoh shooter I'm not concerned about the lack of EVF at all. I live in México which is arguably pretty intensely sunny, and I've never had an issue composing off an LCD. For me, the feature I would have preferred would either be a nicer E Shutter like in the Z9, or honestly a better pancake lens on release, something like the Nikon Z/Canon RF 28f2.8. Last resort: an official L to M adapter, properly calibrated for accurate infinity.
@nevsf
Ай бұрын
60MP sensor like in the M11 so I could use my APS-C L lenses and still have around 24MP. Full-frame is nice but sometimes I wasn’t to use smaller L lenses from my Leica CL.
that green is amazing.... and i love this use-case. I had a digital CL for the longest time to turn it into a baby-M now i can do that with the S9 😍
always great videos dude. straight up, insightful and real.
Super helpful man. I think there are a lot of us looking for whatever is closest to a digital M without spending digital M money.
It's a shame that the EVF was excluded. Unfortunately, the A7C2 seems to be a better choice. Leaving out the external EVF option is a really stupid decision.
@CianMcsweeney
Ай бұрын
Also leaving out the mechanical shutter
@MarcAdesso
Ай бұрын
@@CianMcsweeney and a joystick
@r423sdex
Ай бұрын
Don’t buy it.
@mobith
Ай бұрын
a7c2 still top of my list i reckon
@izzatIHH55
Ай бұрын
Maybe Lumix S7 in the future? 👀
Thanks for the video. How was the sharpness & color smearing on the edges of the image? Just wondering the S9 can handle the steep light ray angles of wide angle M lenses.
Wonder what footage looks like with adapted vintage canon fd lenses. I have a slew of those as well as a few favorite nikon F lenses. Which brings a question. Does this camera have an asp-c mode for adapting asp-c lenses?
If Panasonic updates this to include a mechanical shutter, hot shoe and EVF, it would be an instant buy for me precisely for this application.
@-grey
Ай бұрын
Good news they have that already, it's the S5II
@LillySchwartz
Ай бұрын
Well, no, the form factor is entirely different. The S5 iix is what I went for as my main digital camera, but coming from a Leica M6 it’s quite big and unwieldy. I appreciate the manual focusing aids and it works well for taking pictures, but a smaller FF camera would be nice.
@michaelp1625
Ай бұрын
@@LillySchwartzbut that’s why they could achieve the form factor 🤣
@LillySchwartz
Ай бұрын
@@michaelp1625 Actually, not at all! You have to keep in mind that a tiny little Olympus Pen E-PL8 has mechanical shutter, EVF, hot shoe and IBIS in a cute little MFT body. These cameras just have a different shutter design by the way they sound - leaf shutter I believe. I have an Olympus XA from 1979 with leaf shutter and flash which shoots 35 mm film. It's an absolutely tiny camera, smaller even than the digital Pens because Olympus specialised in miniaturisation. No shutter → no flash sync → no hot shoe → no EVF. The omissions on the S9 are definitely a cost cutting measure and a way to get the S9 on the market without finishing R&D properly because they needed more time to re-design the shutter. That's why they caught so much heat for it - everyone who knows a little about camera design knows that leaving it out was a choice and not a technical limitation (beyond miniaturisation expertise perhaps). To me it seems like a half baked design so far. My guess is that the S9 II will probably have a shutter because photographers make up a big share of people who would buy a FF camera in this day and age. Right now it isn't even quite clear what the target audience is for this camera. They alienated a lot of the content creators with it and who else would buy a full frame camera without an EVF?
Nice one, enjoyed the watch. Well balanced and thoughtful.
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You are on a roll!!!
The thing that remains interesting about the S9 to me is I use m4/3 exclusively for video. Given that use case, lacking a mechanical shutter, hot shoe and EVF is a non-issue, and the S9 does have a mic connection. I’m considering upgrading to L-mount and was considering an S5ii, but the S9 is interesting because of its small size.
@TopshelfJunior
17 күн бұрын
As somebody that has BOTH, the S5ii and the S9...I could easily do a project on the S9, been shooting video on it already BUT.... The S5ii, for somebody that hasn't been in Panasonic a while, would be the better buy. Treat the S9 as a passion project, or the DESSERT after a really good dinner. Treat the S5ii as the dinner. Go on Amazon and get a used / LIKE NEW S5ii for $1400 - $1500, you won't regret it.
Leica DLux 8 review upcoming? 🙏🏼❤️🙏🏼
What a sexy camera...just ordered mine, same color...those shots at 0:40 look soooo GOOD! Have you seen the leather housing by Small Rig?
We need L mount Techart adapter
@AbdonPhirathon
Ай бұрын
I have no idea why they haven’t released one yet. If they were to release this for L-Mount then it would be an instant buy.
@j5daniel182
Ай бұрын
It’s only recently that L mount cameras started having Phase Detect which is required by the Techart adapter.
@mohdfarizolabdulghani7208
12 күн бұрын
@@user-rh5fw2bq4t exactly. If they come out with adapter. I will buy one. Hahahah
I have a little question. I have that 40mm too and I was wondering how u changed out the focus tab to that one. My one has the slightly annoying pinch one
@benjhaisch
Ай бұрын
Yeah I bought mine like this, sorry!
I don't get why some people spend such much time complaining about a Camera they never intend to buy.
@AllCarsUnited
Ай бұрын
Because they planned on buying it before they announced how crippled it was. Answer your question?
@Lu-sj6ni
26 күн бұрын
@@AllCarsUnited that isn't always true. some people just like joining in on the trending topic and grifting.
Thank you for that video. It’s good to see how this could work. It seems too much of a compromise for my needs but I can see that it’s an option. I think the lacking EVF is the dealbreaker for me.
Helpful review! I just got an S9 and while i love it, the menu system is ind numbingly so bad it's disturbing! Can anyone tell me how on earth to set the Suto focus button to magnify assist? I so want to want to love this camera and learn the menus but counter intuitive hardly touches how absurdly not intuitive they are..800 page manual!
@benjhaisch
20 күн бұрын
Oh man, it took me forever to figure that out too. Legitimately probably 20 minutes of accidentally passing over it over and over. Wish I remembered where! I’ll try to check back tomorrow and I have it around
I was waiting on this to see if it might make sense for me to get the S9 as a small M mount body. I think I still need an EVF and mechanical shutter, and my A7C does that nicely, just that I don’t like the UI and the SOOC jpegs ain’t great from the Sony. I’m keen on the Realtime LUTs for a quick and easy shooting body.
Thinking aloud: This body, 1960’s M Mount glass from 28-50mm, a great Kodachrome 25 LUT (or 5222XX), and video. 🎉🎉🎉
Try the sigma FP L with M lenses. It’s awesome
You bad bad boy, mixing with 'THAT' lens. (gets credit card out....)
I would have ordered this camera on launch day if it had an EVF.
I challenge you to use the S9 w/ the "Leica Monochrome Black and White profile" that is already set (licensed) for usage w/ the S9. IMO it gets even closer to the look you speak of, without using some created LUT. Leica dialed it in for Lumix especially, looks pretty cool. The S9 is going to do NUMBERS once people get a hold of it + the Lumix Lab app.
@benjhaisch
Ай бұрын
I actually have never liked any of the Leica profiles for JPEGs in camera. The “Leica look” doesn’t come from those IMO.
@TopshelfJunior
Ай бұрын
@@benjhaisch What's crazy is, it's literally a Leica-look that THEY put in there lol, but.. I feel you.
@benjhaisch
Ай бұрын
@TopshelfJunior haha yes but the term “Leica look” predates digital to my understanding
@TopshelfJunior
Ай бұрын
@@benjhaisch For sure.. And it pertains to several different factors, obvs. Camera body + Leica glass + how that system renders the film being shot, specs and capabilities of the camera, etc etc.. But what I was getting at was...Since the year 2000, Leica and Lumix have been in cahoots...and a lot of things are shared so to speak. The S9, at the moment.. is the only Lumix camera that has an OFFICIAL "Leica Monochrome B&W" look / lut IN it, officially from Leica. Try it lol.
@videosuperhighway7655
Ай бұрын
I see this compact little full frame with its LUT workflow capability will be lots of fun. All my LUTs and Color grading on capture one but being able to work them into the field sounds great. Being able to rig up a M lenses into a psuedoleica is icing on the cake. I think Panasonic did a poor job marketing this product, also they need to release more native compact lenses. If I can fit that EF 2.8 autofocus 40mm on my 1dmk3 or 5dmk4 they can do it also, i feel they dropped the ball on that.
Ricoh GRIII has no evf and i like that camera better than the x100v
@benjhaisch
Ай бұрын
I love how small that thing is
Looord, I hope they make an adult's version of the S9 with an EVF, joystick, mechanical shutter, GH7-style back screen, and 61mp sensor!
@-grey
Ай бұрын
They (almost) have that. It's the S5II. 😂
@MarcAdesso
Ай бұрын
@@-grey haha
EVF for sure.
I could live without an EVF (unfortunately) and I wouldn't care for a hotshoe on this form factor, but the lack of a mechanical shutter and the joystick is an absolute deal breaker for me. Fortunately there's still room for a "S7", but Panasonic can't really release new cameras every day like Sony does and they have more urgent matters with the S1 upgrades, so I guess I'll have to wait patiently.
@benjhaisch
Ай бұрын
an S7 between the S5 and S9 would be incredible. Especially if they made it a more "pro" version with dual slots, etc. I'd pay $2k for that, easy.
Sorry but the Sony 7CR is just 500$ more, not double the price, with a viewfinder, 61Mp, mechanical shutter etc .....
@benjhaisch
Ай бұрын
The A7CII is $700 more, yeah. The A7CR is $2999…
No mention of whether or not the s9 has any issues with corner smearing or color cast? Its sort of implied in the video that the Sony, Nikon, and Leica are all equally good with Leica M lenses, but the zf is definitely noticeably better than any of the Sony bodies... And historically Lumix cameras haven't been great either. The gold standard is how they perform on M, SL, and even the sigma fp- would have been good to have a few sentences on how the s9 compares in that regard.
@benjhaisch
25 күн бұрын
No color cast, but some light smearing at wider focal lengths.
While I get the justification of them omitting certain features, Nikon Z5 and Canon R8 comes with all the extra hardware, and they’re cheaper. So it can be done.
@Wildridefilms
Ай бұрын
R8 doesn't have IBIS and the Z5 is not a very compact FF camera.
I truly just wish it had a hotshoe for a small flash
@CianMcsweeney
Ай бұрын
They left it out because it doesn't have a mechanical shutter, therefore flash produces weird results with electronic shutter
@mrsparkle3372
Ай бұрын
@@CianMcsweeney electronic only shutter is also a fail
@CianMcsweeney
Ай бұрын
@@mrsparkle3372 I agree
just get the old a7c
Get an used sigma fp/fpl instead
@markr041
Ай бұрын
No IBIS.
From a enthuasist photographer perspective this isn't a camera tha Panasonic had intended its audience for. Far too many compromises for little value to photographers
@markr041
Ай бұрын
Yes; it is for videographers. Hint : no mechanical shutter, which is not used for video. LUTs, anamorphic capabilities, etc.
What "content creation" means ??? Is a photographer not a content creator ? Marketing BS which turns minds upside down !
@benjhaisch
Ай бұрын
To me it’s people whose primary avenue of making work is for social media.
@chengo51
Ай бұрын
@@benjhaisch So it is mainly adressed to "pro", meaning people making money out of their work....a niche for a new breed of customers, just invented, in summary.
@benjhaisch
Ай бұрын
@@chengo51 it’s all a bit fluid at points, but for me, my “pro” work is the paid stuff for/from clients. The “content creator” stuff are things that I make for others to sort of consume online. Again, a bit of a blurred line at times, but that’s how I make the distinction.
@markr041
Ай бұрын
It's a camera for video. Is that clearer? No mechanical shutter...
@videosuperhighway7655
Ай бұрын
@@benjhaischthey messed up if they are marketing this as a working pro camera. Many other products address that need. This seems to fit the “I want to leave the work truck at home” and carry something small and nimble but with a nice full frame sensor and a more flexible frictionless image output fun camera. Ie I do not want to be sitting in front of my 5K+ workstation with a calibrated monitor working on RAW images and spending time grading etc.. I missed out on the hype and drama and ordered one today. I could really see myself enjoying this as my daily carry definitely will be superior to using my iPhone 😂
Who wants to manually focus nice M-glass via screen like some tourist? Sorry, Panasonic. Next time with EVF, please.