Excellent interview! Stuff like this is what separates Luke from the rest of the MMA journalism herd.

I think a lot of people in these comments are misinterpreting the difference between using substances for longevity and recovery and super juicing like pro body builders. I don’t think anyone is advocating that everyone in sports should be on the Ronnie Colman stack. Just my two cents. Great guest, great interview.

@Stressfree21

19 күн бұрын

That’s fine, they just don’t communicate it like that. Luke just loves saying a lot of people at the top already do it anyways. I think that is where he messes up. If he’d verbally say only for recovery help then okay

@noahstorm6486

19 күн бұрын

@@Stressfree21 maybe I’m just biased but I didn’t feel it came off that way. I think the argument is that prohibition is worse than regulation. Obviously there will always be loop holes and cheats but if you can use these substances in a regulated way then it would be much safer and more fair. Obviously that’s just my take away can’t speak for Luke or the guest actual thoughts.

Please do more like this

It’s amusing reading the comments of people who either did not watch this entire video, or clearly did not pay attention and listen to the conversation. You don’t have to agree with anything but try to acknowledge the actual point(s) made and what is really being posited if you want to oppose it.

Great interview. Thanks Luke. 🙏

The amound of PED users who have dropped dead from heart attacks, particularly in bodybuilding, should be the main reason why we should try our best to prevent PED use in sports, that and poorer countries will be priced out of competitive sport if they can't afford the same drugs as athletes from wealthier countries.

Great convo thanks Luke

I hope everyone watches this. Most people are miseducated on this subject. Jeremy from Sydney

@dixinbuttz44

19 күн бұрын

Typical aussie thinks everyone is uneducated

@jeremy5895

19 күн бұрын

WTF. Where's that coming from? ​@@dixinbuttz44

@infared54321

19 күн бұрын

Thank you Jeremy from Sydney. Steve from Wisconsin.

@thatindiandude4602

19 күн бұрын

​@@infared54321I am a turtle :) from Brisbane

@karlricardo4088

19 күн бұрын

Thank you both, Jeremy from Sydney and Steve from Wisconsin. I am unsure as to whether the locations are from where you originate or where you currently are. Karl from his Mum.

This was fascinating. Well done Luke! This channel is awesome and getting even better

At first glance of the video title, I thought it said in defense of pooping lol.

Keep it up Luke! Loving all these interviews and live streams

@lowlowseesee

16 күн бұрын

He’s 15 years in. I think he will keep it up lol

Awesome video, love when interview s with experts outside of MMA

This perspective is too American, IMO. How can the poorest social classes and especially foreign socioeconomically poor countries compete in any way at grassroots level with a nation that would essentially be encouraging juiced athletes across the board? Americans have infinitely more spending power than most humans alive, this only reinforces hegemonic influences of capital, where in many areas sporting balances in sports like U20 soccer and other team sports are fought out internationally without PEDs. Not every athlete is juicing, especially outside America.

@cal9784

19 күн бұрын

I believe Luke would agree with you, he's raised similar issues in the past. PED communism now?

so awesome Luke! Thank you so much! I hope you do more interviews with academics and coaches !🎉

I feel like this is the type of stuff Luke loves more than the day to day MMA stuff

I love steroids.

@lowlowseesee

16 күн бұрын

I’ve never had them but I love them

Excellent conversation! Love these types of videos, Luke!

Excellent interview Luke. Thanks for

Great interview!

Love this topic bro

Very eye-opening

Man you need to get Derek on if you’re going to talk about PEDs

Let em juice It's already the standard across all pro sports All the drug testing is just marketing and politics

@lowlowseesee

16 күн бұрын

Exactly lol

very good!

meanwhile ariel just parroting what managers and fighters say and winning 'awards'

My thoughts on doping started to change with "bigger stronger faster" and solidified with "icarus"

It's not about fairness. But if UFC and government said go ahead free for all. Do whatever you want. It's about safety. Most of the time regulation in general is about safety. Fighters will not only take steroids but over do it. They'll take 5000mg testosterone instead of a normal 500mg dose.

As a guy that played sports growing up and in college, I don't have a huge problem with peds but there needs to be some serious oversight not just random people promoting whatever drugs they like. I've always believed cannabis should be a big part of recovery for athletes both mentally and physically. Ultimately it's your body and you can do whatever the hell you want with it

Love it

Good one Loog

I'm pleased to hear the doctor mention the symphony players and the beta blockers.

Hey Luke, would love to get your guys thoughts on some of the footage that’s come out from the new UFC documentary? floating around if you get a chance to watch it. Pretty interesting stuff in relation to Jon Jones, Aljo, and more.

I think we need more data on how P.E.D's affect longevity in combat sport and what's their relationship with brain damage. It might be a net benefit to athlete health we won't known unless we test it out.

What if your 13 year old daughter is an olympic level gymnast? In a sport where prime age is incredibly low, is it okay then?

@ryu-ken

18 күн бұрын

Yup. You live only 1 life. You can do whatever da fuk u want

@thexbigxgreen

18 күн бұрын

That's not a great example considering that gymnastics are among the most physically and hormonally devastating sports in existence. IMO training kids to be gymnasts is borderline abusive in and of itself.

We don’t change all kids sports, kids basketball still has 10 foot baskets

@joehohos7927

17 күн бұрын

And kids football is still 100 yard field, kids do gymnastics on the same equipment, I’m sure I could go on

Thanks for sharing interview with us. I think until society understands drugs and chemicals better from the scientific perspective rather than the Pop-Science perspective, if that day ever comes, these issues won't be treated with the right approach. Regardless of the logic here being pretty sound - I don't know how legalization at this point would be positive though. Education on it is so low it would be misused heavily in the first generations, with rush in consumer demand really swaying what could and couldn't happen.. imagine a million kids misuse, ruin their sperm, have 2.2 million kids with some lasting genetic image, etc.. it is not out of realm of reality! Drugs always win the war but the battle rages on. The word itself is still a villain in greater society. Early days of religious puritan crap and millions of lives affected by accident or intentional, Enhancement drugs are caught in that as well. Would be great if the governing bodies did hit the reset button on how they think of testing and taking athlete's HEALTH into consideration.

Athletes are the few people that NEED PEDs. They should be entitled to have medical supervision if it’s allowed. You have those runners in Africa that take EPO and now have serious health issues because they were not monitored. Athletes will quickly abuse, so it needs to be monitored by medical professionals.

@Stressfree21

19 күн бұрын

Or just be natural

@thatindiandude4602

19 күн бұрын

​@@Stressfree21which is an absurd take because orofessional sports forces athletes to compete in, and train in unnatural ways.

@Stressfree21

19 күн бұрын

@@thatindiandude4602 how so?

@thatindiandude4602

19 күн бұрын

@@Stressfree21 because something like contact sports and the training for it are long and arduous. Hunter gatherers yes rely on endurance hunting but they have long periods of rest. Professional combat sport athletes train 5 to 6 hours and take constant head trauma. That is not 'natural.' And that too with added muscle mass.

@Stressfree21

19 күн бұрын

@@thatindiandude4602 I didn’t say it here but in another I did. Steroids or supplements for recovery, okay go for it 100%. PEDS to make the ones with money faster, stronger, cognitive ability heightened, quicker reflexes, a better chin is legalizing unfair competition. I get what you’re saying fr but that’s my line

Luke is a great listener, this is key to communication. MK all day ❤️

Great discussion but these adverts are relentless !! 🥵 Every 5min 😒😒😒

I have always been pro doping. I mean really if one person can get better food that is an advantage. If they have better trainer that is an advantage. On and on. If doping gives an advantage doesn't everything else as well? How can it all be controlled for some perfect even playing field? Let people do what they want.

Some of these comments are absurd. God forbid you have a conversation going against status quo. It’s marked as Marxist or socialist. That’s absolutely absurd. Steroids have had a black cloud over them for decades and athletes have had little to no say over whether they want them legalized or not. Because now we can have a conversation over whether or not it should be adjusted, people are losing their minds and trying to argue this is some extreme viewpoint that’ll just melt society and sports. Grow up and open your mind

I agree with his stance but his comments about the "white russian" vs the poor black american is deranged, russians are WAY more oppressed than black americans are today and making it seem like because she has pale skin she is privy to some special priviledge by the "white men" he so affectionately refers to is out of touch with reality.

Cool stream

we now seing "men" participating in women sports. why is that allowed not steroids

09:14 it's not legal under federal law which means it's not legal in Oregon.

@louiematarazzo

17 күн бұрын

What a ridiculous comment 😂

@malus1426

17 күн бұрын

@@louiematarazzo Federal Law trumps State Law. All you need is an Anti-Marijuana President and they could shut down the so called "legal" stores in Oregon etc You know shops can't use banking because it's illegal under federal law

@malus1426

17 күн бұрын

@@louiematarazzo From an article " State laws only govern the citizens within a particular state, but federal laws apply to all U.S. citizens. When state and federal laws clash, think of the federal law as the trump card. In theory, a state law that goes against federal law is null and void, but in practice, there's a bit more of a gray area. What it really comes down to is enforcement."

@malus1426

17 күн бұрын

@@louiematarazzo it's not legal to enter the country illegally, but look at all the illegal immirgrants this country has. So just because Oregon has that law that doesn't make it legal it's just not enforced.

This guy is based. I can tell by how he talks about capitalism and unions.

@SacClass650

19 күн бұрын

"caPiTaLIsmlM BAd"

@cold_take

19 күн бұрын

@@SacClass650 Yes.

@inxile88

19 күн бұрын

He addressed this at 29:00 he is firmly against regulating people on how they spend their money. He just says athletes need to have more power and the only way to do that is by joining together to have more leverage.

@SacClass650

19 күн бұрын

@@cold_take Well, Luke is certainly cultivating an interesting audience for himself: Libertarian weirdos, and Marxist/socialist weirdos.

@martyfromnebraska1045

19 күн бұрын

Nah based people don't cry over protected classes being punished for smoking wed because they're members of protected classes. Capitalism is bad though. Using this as a platform to cry about White people (and Russians) is very in line with the standard ideology of the American ruling class. Which is why their institutions produce academics like this.

Wonderful! Love when you get a chance to interview academics, it’s much more along your lines of conversation and style compared to many mma guests haha

If if’s and ands were whys and buts

Yo I love how eloquent, sharp & intelligent Luke is & presents himself as yet he’s down for athlete doing. lol that’s “dope” bro

Luke, stop reading and responding to comments for your own mental wellbeing. You already know MMA fandom is rife with anti-intellectualism, don't waste your time. Just keep doing your thing for the people who appreciate it and unironically take Schaub's advice. Don't engage.

Wait hold up there is people on this planet that are fans of cycling?

@danielrn133

19 күн бұрын

I lived in France for 3 years. It is massively huge there. Not sure about anywhere else, but cyclists are like major sports figures,

@timw4432

19 күн бұрын

Tour De France is like the second highest viewership of any sports event. Absolute clown take

Using for healing an injury, outside of competition is not the issue.

@ishakaimen1576

19 күн бұрын

You can still be banned for years if you take it out of competition. Conor had to 'retire' to take them.

@boneytony5041

19 күн бұрын

@@ishakaimen1576 yes, not in the competing pool.

@xp_xannypacquiao

19 күн бұрын

That literally is the issue considering how they are tested

I am just glad this crackpot ideas only surface on these minuscule platforms

Luke the thing is you’re hesitant to get on this stuff as a guy in his 40s but you’re happy to make it so every young athlete would basically have no choice but to take it and to an extreme limit more than likely or not be able to compete. Your actions around peds don’t match what you preach

@Teemoisbroken

18 күн бұрын

So real

I do respect a new opinion. But I don’t respect his opinion being backed up by a phd. You can work hard all through school and get a phd. There are some therapists and doctors make it through school that have tons of biases and sometimes don’t have answers so they make things up. Phds and degrees don’t mean anything as for legitimacy and taking people at their word without question.

@brucebush7014

19 күн бұрын

I need you to show me your research/sources before I believe you. *gets a PhD on topic* A PhD means nothing based on my anecdotal experience!!

@cold_take

19 күн бұрын

@@brucebush7014 You don't need a PhD to collect or do research, no one has said that either. Classic strawmanning.

Tell it to Bisping's eye

Of all the hills, why this hill? Bizarre. That the policing of something that is bad is inadequate means we should advocate for the permitting of the bad? Why not advocate for the improvement of the policing?

@thatindiandude4602

19 күн бұрын

Because an improvement in policing would mean further increase in costs, false positives and an ever increasing intrusion into athletes lives.

@SacClass650

19 күн бұрын

@@thatindiandude4602 The _means_ _by_ _which_ to ensure that the bad doesn't exist.

@louiematarazzo

17 күн бұрын

Because who says that it’s necessarily “bad” ? The athletes don’t get a say in any of it? If an athlete wants to do with their body what they want, then who are some old guys who don’t have athletic bone in their body to say that that athlete does? Who is that fair to? It would be incredibly intrusive to these athletes to try for this altruistic view of sports, which is just ridiculous. If athletes want to take PED’s not “the bad” , then let them. It’s their choice, should be their choice and finger wagging and turning a nose up at them, is just crazy

Sorry but this guy is just rhetorically arguing his point. He says we "all" do PED's at some point in our lives, so we shouldn't judge athletes who do it because we "lose track of reality". That argument literally only works if you see coffee as the same thing as anabolic steroids, which is obviously absurd.

@LukeThomas

19 күн бұрын

You’re not engaging the point. The point is why is sports a world where aren’t allowed to use drugs to boost performance. The answer is sports is supposed to be fair and a level playing field. But the entire point is that is so matter of factly not true and the idea sports is a place where this can’t happen unless we want to ruin it is observably not true. THAT is the point.

@boneytony5041

19 күн бұрын

@@LukeThomas Nice circle jerk point. You avoid the obvious problem over and over.

@nomadgrappler9410

19 күн бұрын

I have kidney problems and can't take any supplements let alone steriods

@acktionjackson666

19 күн бұрын

​@@LukeThomas What if one athlete can't take a steroid because they had an adverse reaction to it but another athlete can? This is by no means a cut and dry subject. I agree the conversation needs to be had but just allowing doping straight out with no supervision sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. Maybe if they regulated it and only allowed limited amounts to be used during period of inactivity to heal injuries and what not more people would find that acceptable. 🤷

@Ybby999

19 күн бұрын

@@LukeThomas I agree the rules should be changed. But that doesn't legitimise cheating under the current rules. Like it or not, PED''s are currently against the rules. Comparing it to drinking a cup of coffee, thereby attempting to wash away the rule-breaking nature of taking PED's under the current system, is unfairly and rhetorically arguing the point.

Big fan of Luke. This interview was a great listen. But PED use in sports is something I don't agree with. Athletes are dumb. Especially somewhere like the US where sports is a religion. They will literally ingest and inject anything to be the best in their field sacrificing years of their life in the process. For recovery tho, I do agree the best and quickest medical treatment should be provided.

@tgo007

18 күн бұрын

I agree with this 100%. It's about safety not fairness. They will 100% over do it. If everyone juiced safe doses, I'm fine with it. They won't.

Yeah true lets allow doping and I'm sure people at the highschool level and earlier won't be juiced out of their minds, I'm sure that would work out 100% with no issues down the line.

@lumpnotlimp

19 күн бұрын

Teemo is good example of why not to give little ones any juice

@Teemoisbroken

19 күн бұрын

@@lumpnotlimp legit, stays short and becomes toxic from the inside out

@blickluke

19 күн бұрын

Its a good thing lots and lots of kids in highschool arent drinking or doing drugs thanks to the illegality and prohibition of such things. Wow you're so smart...

@Teemoisbroken

19 күн бұрын

@@blickluke my point exactly, thankyou

@fofopho

19 күн бұрын

Tell me you didn’t listen without telling me you didn’t listen @teemoisbroken 😅

This whole concept is awful. Because you cannot take steroids unless you're genetically gifted. The liver toxicity and androgenic and also estrogenic damage from steroids varies wildly between different people, and very few people can tolerate high doses of anabolic steroids without damage. This makes it unfair, because only some people can tolerate synthetic hormones.

@LukeThomas

19 күн бұрын

Not a word of this is true

@rocklee5231

19 күн бұрын

@@LukeThomasdrug tolerance and response is definitely influenced by genetics

lol exercise expert

@LukeThomas

19 күн бұрын

He has a PhD in exercise science.

@enriqueshockwave

19 күн бұрын

good bait

Enhanced Games? Uhh, yeeeeeees please! 🫡

@LukeThomas

19 күн бұрын

Not exactly

You may have talked to a lot of "experts". But you see the flaw in that? Why not talk to the athletes. The clean ones. Talk to Bisping. Find out from athletes who are trying to compete. Who gives a damn about the academics? Talk to the athletes who spend their entire life in pursuit and all the hours spent practicing and learning their skills. Experts? LOL. Academics? GTFO I say.

@rocklee5231

19 күн бұрын

We can have tested and untested leagues

@louiematarazzo

17 күн бұрын

That’s the exact point the academic is making. Did you even listen? The athletes should get a say in testing, but they don’t. The organizers have a whole blanket approach that the athletes have no say in

Yo I love how eloquent, sharp & intelligent Luke is & presents himself as yet he’s down for athlete doing. lol that’s “dope” bro