LT tires do come in handy when towing/hauling on rough roads. We have always had trouble with flats and tread belt breaks on the gravel roads in the Flint Hills of Kansas, the chert rock can be very sharp and will shred tires on heavy vehicles. No more flats after 10 ply tires.

@kedrevs4037

Жыл бұрын

Great info, I think you always need to consider the application, nothing exists in a vacuum.

The Michilin Defender LTX are the best tires on the road. I want something more aggressive but I keep coming back to this tire based on my experience with them.

Looking at new tires for my 1794. Very helpful- thanks!

@kedrevs4037

Жыл бұрын

These are wonderful highway tires that have done well in rain, snow and mud for me

@Streetglide2021

Жыл бұрын

@@kedrevs4037 thanks!!

you are absolutely correct with your analysis in my opinion. On my F150 I have a 17" wheel so I do run a set of LT245/70-17 tires. Smaller wheel than yours, and taller sidewall so I think this tire works great in this circumstance. I do run them only at 50psi, as these tires at that psi still have plenty of load capacity to well more than cover my load while towing. In this circumstance I have between 3500 and 3600# on the front axle and 3700 or so on the rear which is under axle capacity and even at only 50psi in the LT tires I am well under tire capacity. The previous owner of my truck had installed a set of P265/70 -17s on my truck and for the first year or so I used those, and actually they towed okay, but definitely the P265s had a bit more sidewall flex than I would prefer while towing. My wheel is only 7 inches wide as well, and I consider that a bit too narrow for the 265s. The P265s were rated for maximum 51psi, and I also ran them around 50. As always, safe travels.....

@kedrevs4037

Жыл бұрын

Great info, thank you

you come up here to northern canada and try that with p series tires and see what happens. all of our lake roads are gravel. you'll have flats guaranteed. LT tires are needed for towing in certain areas.

@kedrevs4037

Жыл бұрын

Haha, Ok, all 50 of you that live in northern Canda need Lt tires for your half ton. I know it's been dark up there for a long time, but I suggest you think about Decaf.

@jaymoar3561

Жыл бұрын

Yeah he just said he doesn’t need them so he probably don’t travel on gravel roads much like yourself. Everyone has different needs, he is better off with P rated tires and you’re probably better off with LT tires. No right or wrong answers.

Hey I need help figuring out what tire I have a 2012 tundra platinum I have cooper discover at3 4s 4ply on the front and ironman AT 10 ply on the back and need to replace the back

I have a Nissan Frontier 4x4, so probably similar in weight and size to a Tacoma. Im mostly highway and occasional offroad, no rock crawling or the like. We will be getting a a-frame trailer soon (still looking) and ill make sure it stays around 3500lb or less loaded. We will be dispersed camping so logging roads light 4wheel drive trails at the most. Would P-eated be fine, or should i consider E-rated for sidewall protection? Ill be going back to OEM size of 265/75/16. Right now I have E-rated 285/75/16, but i dont go offroad like i used to. Ive had nails just over the shoulder edge of these General Grabbers, and pulled it out and they were fine. Just wondering about the sidewall strength of both for towing on rough dirt roads.

@kedrevs4037

9 ай бұрын

i take mine boondocking offgrid quite a bit, been in ruts and mud fine, but everytime I pick up a nail it requires a patch

Kind of misses the point. It depends on the level of safety margin that you want. Towing with LT tires will have less chance of a flat, but P will also do fine if you stay within the load rating. Some people drive large heavy cars for increased safety and other people are comfortable driving tiny mini coopers. You could say that both are safe as long as you don’t crash. What if you drive over some wood debris or big pothole while towing? Or gravel road with sharp rocks? LT is safer. There are plenty of stories or people who tried both P and LT and kept getting flats with P until they switched to LT. There is no black and white answer, it depends on how much extra protection you want.

My Ram 1500 classic came stock with Goodyear Wrangler P275/60R20 tires. I was always under the impressing the P was for passenger.

@kedrevs4037

5 ай бұрын

It is, but for most half ton applications (any that don't leave the pavement) P rated truck tires are more than sufficient.

I am really debating whether to put Michelin Defenders 275/60/20s on my GMC Sierra(Max Tow Package) that I tow a 7K camper with. My OEM Bridgestones are about close to needing replacement.

@kedrevs4037

4 ай бұрын

I have well over 100k towing on two different sets. Just a great tire

It comes from the factory with P rated tires. The manufacturer is taking into consideration the capabilities of the truck when they equipped it with P rated tires. So if you follow proper loading procedures…you will be fine.

@CheekyMonkey888

Жыл бұрын

it comes from the factory with the cheapest tire they can buy, I have a tundra and use P rated tires, but if were towing or hauling anything close to the limit of the vehicle I would go with LT tires, even if P rated were sufficient, why, because I ve never punctured or shredded an LT tire

@truthjustice3313

Жыл бұрын

@CheekyMonkey888 Disagree! The OEM Michelin tires are not cheap and high quality. Toyota could have chosen much cheaper tires.

@CheekyMonkey888

Жыл бұрын

@@truthjustice3313 I got bridgestone duelers, took them off a week later

So true. I tow some and would never go to an LT on my 1/2 ton for the same reasons. I have a 20 inch wheel/33 inch tire set up which is perfectly fine for towing in a 1/2 ton P rated tire.

I think we can justly eliminate all engineering degrees in universities nowadays considering we have experts such as this guy.

@kedrevs4037

7 ай бұрын

oh if you only knew

@peterjb5848

4 ай бұрын

@@kedrevs4037 Your response, while providing absolutely no information, was actually more informative than your video. Feel free to block me, I won't be watching any more of your videos ;o)

@flight2k5

Ай бұрын

Engineers fuck up a lot of shit 😂

Michelin Defenders last a long while and are great for general use on road, light off roading and towing. We’ve used them in our Rams for years and haven’t let us down.

@kedrevs4037

Жыл бұрын

Yep, they aren't stylish, but they sure do the job.

I have LT tires on both my trucks. I tow & travel on some rough roads. I do not care about ride or mileage, I have passenger cars for comfort.

@kedrevs4037

Жыл бұрын

I am not saying there is anything wrong with it. I just am saying they are not necessary

@diyi75

Жыл бұрын

@@kedrevs4037 No, not necessary

The Ford F150 max towing package requires a LT rated tire, LT275/65/18.

@kedrevs4037

9 ай бұрын

Didn't know that, but it doesn't make a lot of practical sense

You have Michelin Defender LTs? What's the LT stand for?

@kedrevs4037

Жыл бұрын

Usually Light Truck, but not in this case. Although you can get them in a True Light Truck (LT ) tire. They are passenger tires.

Going with these tires, would like bigger tires to look better. But, I also tow RV and Care about getting better gas mileage.

@kedrevs4037

Жыл бұрын

Yep, I'd love to go form over function, but just can't do it.

@toshibavoodoo

Жыл бұрын

@@kedrevs4037 Agree! Function is life!!

I’ve been in the car industry and have never heard any of the statements you’re arguing against.

@kedrevs4037

Жыл бұрын

If you check out the truck forums, you will come across this statement frequently. Can't help that you haven't seen it.

Just order my Defenders for my 2018 Tundra

As someone that's towed junk for 30+ years I don't agree. The difference between LT and P rate tires is very slim these days and no not all LT tires are heavier than P rates as they are both 4 ply tire rated. Typically the difference is in the material used not always the thickness so weight isn't always affected. Completely skipping over the even more confusing XL and SL ratings that exist now on both LT and P rate tires you don't mention "control" or "safety" in your explanation. Its been my experience towing with thicker ply tires have more control, wear better, less flats/failures, and in most cases return better mpgs when inflated correctly. On my daily driver 1/2 ton I always run C or D load rate tires with trailer weights between 4K-10K lbs. Even when my truck was new I tried the ST load rated tires it came with and had 2 flats and one tire cup something terrible in just 15K miles. I also noted better mpg's when towing with the D rate tires as they simply have less rolling resistance when under load. When your moving 10K+ lbs between trailer and truck the difference in 15-30lbs of tire weight isn't a factor. Ohh your trailer has either 6 or 9 ply tires and likely weighs less than your truck so why would 4 ply tires on it be acceptable?

@kedrevs4037

6 ай бұрын

Appreciate the comment, but way deep down the rabbit hole

@stevenrego1434

3 ай бұрын

Hey man you sound like ya know what ya talking about. I'll be mostly snowboarding from NY to FL with a camper. 1500 miles each way, rest of the miles are without a trailer. XL, d or e? Lol. I have 275 60 20 tires on an f150

@ryanstage3912

3 ай бұрын

@@stevenrego1434 given the rainy area with snow I'd put on general grabber ATs with e rate load range. You will find they last 20% longer, your truck will tow like a 3/4 ton stability, you will never get a flat with the downside being lower mpg's. If not I'd get BFG KO3 in a C or D load range.

@stevenrego1434

3 ай бұрын

@@ryanstage3912 sorry I meant snow birding lol

On a half ton you don’t need it if you tow light. It’s mainly the sway in the curves you will feel because the side walls are lighter.

@kedrevs4037

3 ай бұрын

I agree, yes with 17" or 18" wheels, not much flex in the sidewall of a 20"wheel.

Those are light truck tires!

@kedrevs4037

Жыл бұрын

No they are Passenger Tires, the labeling Michelin uses is confusing

While I understand and appreciate your argument. It’s not necessarily a stupid thing. You are towing one of the most aerodynamic trailers in the industry with a smaller frontal area and lower side profile. Most travel trailers are a literal box 😂, so when the wind pushes trailer the truck feels wishy washy specially with longer trailers. I’ve towed over 10k miles in a year with P rated tires. They were fine first time picking up my trailer I didn’t like the feeling I’m not going to lie my exact words were people find this fun? 😂 just put on LT tires, E rated. Didn’t have to go that high as D would have been fine however found brand new takeoffs for a steal at $700 for all 4. While my P rated tires were fine. I wouldn’t go back, milaage when empty dropped from 19.2- 18 when towing it’s still 11-12. My confidence went up in towing and I can feel the road again and truck responds better. Whole set up is fine, no sway, nothing wrong. I just went from driving a Crown Vic to a Lexus.

@kedrevs4037

Жыл бұрын

Great posts, I love comments that give another perspective. I have used rxact setup with box trailers too. Are your LTs on 18s, 20s, etc?

@newenglandrvadventures

Жыл бұрын

@@kedrevs4037 Right it’s all about good convos haha. Mine are 20’s, 275/60/20’s we’re the factory size so a little larger than yours. I got a short showing the bit of flex on the P rated tires. I’m at 30’ long and when the wind is anything above 12mph the truck just feels floaty. Nothing scary still driving with one hand and on cruise control, but I just like a bit more of feel. I also am the same guy that back in my sports car days swapped out all my suspension bushings for more road feel and steering feedback 😂

Buy Falken Wildpeak AT3W you will love them in a SL load range!

@kedrevs4037

7 ай бұрын

Only hear good things about the Wildpeaks, how is the road noise with them?

My AT4 1500 came stock with LT275/6518

@romantsyganov427

6 ай бұрын

Yea but if those are the duratracs like mine that came on my 1500 it’s LT but if you look at the load rating it’s C which is a 6ply not 10ply E rated sidewall so kinda in the middle which I think is perfect but Im getting better tires for highway and winter the “Michelin defenders” and they only come in 4ply or 10 ply so it’s either passenger rated tires or the most robust thing ever hard to choose🤷‍♂️

@kedrevs4037

5 ай бұрын

I have come close to getting an AT4 myself many times. More offroad truck, just wouldn't look right with Defenders,

There's no way you need LT for towing. The manufacturer KNOWS what tires they gave you and how they rated it... That said, LT might be safer. Larger sidewalls hold more load. A larger sidewall should be better. A low profile is actually worse. It's all about heat, period.

@kedrevs4037

Жыл бұрын

Mostly agree, but you want less flex in sidewall, not more when towing. More flex= more instability, friction and yes heat.

The gross weight rating of a crew max tundra is 6990 pounds...you are getting by with light tires because of a light tongue weight..I ruined my stock tires first trip towing..

@kedrevs4037

6 ай бұрын

Everything you wrote is wrong. The GVWR of my tundra is 7200 pounds, all my travel trailers weigh between six and 7200 pounds, I told up to 1000 miles a day in back-to-back days multiple times a year. So what do you consider “ heavy, towing”?

@joerbrown

6 ай бұрын

The gross weight of your trailer means very little, its the tongue weight that counts..the actual weight that is on the truck...i take my truck across the scales to check my weight...your video is wrong on every thing..i got rid of my tundra because of its light gross weight..most trailers in that size range add over 500 pounds of tongue weight.. you also have to add anything else that goes in the truck to the gross weight..in the video you say your truck is rated at 8100 ...thats wrong..

@joerbrown

6 ай бұрын

The 6900 number i got was in the owners manual 6900 to 7200 depending on model..

You explain that people speak with no evidence, then proceed to not show evidence and give the mother of all anecdotes. I mean this is just silly.

@kedrevs4037

6 ай бұрын

I guess if you consider presentation of the actual tire specs to be incoherent, then yeah, no evidence presented

Overkill is never stupid

@kedrevs4037

Жыл бұрын

Sure it is. Ruins fuel economy, ride, wears the vehicle out sooner.