"Legolas shoots 2 arrows at the same time killing 2 guys and surfed down the elephant's tusk" -- JRR Tolkien

@justincoleman3805

4 жыл бұрын

And it was rad as fuck, bro. -JtotheRtotheRTolkien

@justincoleman3805

4 жыл бұрын

Um, actually they are oliphaunts.

@TH-cx2yx

4 жыл бұрын

@@justincoleman3805 actually they are mumakils. oliphaunts is the name the hobbits gave them

@alsontaylor6080

3 жыл бұрын

Tolkien had to have spun in his grave seeing how overpowered Jackson made Legolas and other characters in his movies. Surfing on the heads of rolling barrels, or hopping up the stones of a collapsing tower are all in a day's work for Legolas. We just didn't realize that he is some form of MCU mutant.

@manavbhalla2861

Жыл бұрын

@@alsontaylor6080 Aren’t elves supposed to be very light on their feet?

I can't see why people complain about "too many endings"... I soo enjoyed each scene at the end

@nathanhs1774

5 жыл бұрын

Kody Yardley It wouldn't have worked on screen at all, Sauron's defeat is the climax that everything has been building up to. Can you honestly say you would be happy to see the ring destroyed and Aragorn crowned king only for the hobbits to return to the shire for a smaller scale liberation that would probably be wrapped up in 20 minutes? I'd rather not have the scouring of the shire, than have it hurt the film.

@nathanhs1774

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree. I'm glad that they didn't completely ignore it though. Frodo sees it happening in the mirror, merry talks about it after Treebeard tells him and Pippin to return home, Frodo's quote "How do you pick up the threads of an old life? How do you go on when in your heart you begin to understand there is no going back?" Even the look the four hobbits share when they sit down to drink shows how much their journey changed them. I think this was the right move for a movie adaptation, but I agree it would have been cool to see it in a tv show or maybe the extended edition.

@chadthundercock4806

5 жыл бұрын

Kody Yardley I personally like that they left it out because in the movies the shire represents innocence, something Frodo cannot come back to. If you notice in all the endings Frodo stops smiling when reminded of his loss of the innocence taken away from him by the ring. In the scene where bilbo asks if he can still see the ring, while the audience gets a chuckle Frodo realizes that the wound that the ring caused is not able to heal. After the destruction of the ring Sam talks about his future in the shire with his wife, while Frodo talks about his past in the shire. When he goes on the ship with the elves and Frodo finally smiles. That is the climax of the story. The destruction of the ring was the climax of the plot.

@GimmeShelterNM

5 жыл бұрын

I liked how Frodo pointed out that he had been stabbed, stung, had his finger bit off by a crack goblin, and having carried the evil ring that drove him crazy. He could have bitched a lot more in the book about it. I had forgotten all about the spider coma and being held naked by orks, in hell. When he was saying how he was to PTS to go be a happy hobbit in paradise anymore that one short line where he says he's been stabbed, stung, bit, and burdened was very understated. I think they understated it in the movies. He was a real trooper

@joeking3181

4 жыл бұрын

Isabella Ro I think the best thing the movies added was the ending “you bow to no one”

The Mouth of Sauron doesn't have flaming eyes and nostrils. His horse has! "At its head there rode a tall and evil shape, mounted upon a black horse, if horse it was; for it was huge and hideous, and its face was a frightful mask, more like a skull than a living head, and in the sockets of its eyes and in its nostrils there burned a flame. The rider was robed all in black, and black was his lofty helm; yet this was no Ringwraith but a living man."

@GaToy54

5 жыл бұрын

The MOS was a man in the animated series as well.

@Azaghal1988

5 жыл бұрын

he was a Black Nûmenorean, so his cultural heritage is realtively close to Aragorn's just with a dark twist (human sacrifices and worshipping Morgoth instead of Iluvatar and the other Valar)

@markjohnson5259

5 жыл бұрын

johnny ember Morgoth was the OG dark lord of middle earth. He was basically the equivalent of Satan. He was once one of the most powerful angels of Illuvatar (the God of Tolkien’s universe) but turned against him out of pride. Sauron was his chief lieutenant

@Stafarns

5 жыл бұрын

@@markjohnson5259 general i believe he also controlled one of the strongholds i forgot the name before it got destroyed where he moved to mordor

@sauron4626

4 жыл бұрын

@@Stafarns I think it was Dol Guldur

The Scouring of the Shire played a more significant role on a personal level for Tolkien from what I understand, since it was to mirror how when he returned from fighting in WW1, his home had been mobilized and industrialized for the war effort completely changing it.

@razork_arts

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry but that’s just not true, Tolkien said many times that LOTR is not in any way allegorical to our world or the wars of our world. He hated allegory and made no hesitation in correcting people comparing his story to his life.

@Pupupwa

5 ай бұрын

@@razork_arts true but it is known that he hated the industrial revolution and loved village life so both are a bit true

The witch king doesn't break Gandalf's staff in the book. That seemed pretty significant.

@Erika-gn1tv

7 жыл бұрын

Eh, it was out of batteries anyway.

@Sivart343

7 жыл бұрын

It had a lot of implications from a book perspective, but it didn't happen in the book and has no measurable consequences in the movie.

@pious83

7 жыл бұрын

Didn't really make a difference in the film though, to be fair.

@partydean17

7 жыл бұрын

Didn't really make a difference. I would say the fact that orcs never really fought into the city is more significant.

@deriznohappehquite

7 жыл бұрын

The orks do fight their way into the city. They make it all the way to the keep.

Why do people have such a problem with the endings? I've always found them necessary. This is a huge story! There's a lot to wrap up here! People who can't understand this either have a serious lacking in understanding the depth of Tolkien's work, or are too shallow to comprehend the necessity of correctly ending a good story while doing it justice. Edit: spelling

@LeonEdwardsGoat

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you my dear friend with Aizen as his pic

@dearmalaysia

4 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't even notice that there were multiple endings if the internet didn't point it out. they all worked together nicely

@sadev101

4 жыл бұрын

bookwise no problem movie wise the amount of endings in the movie is long enough doubling that or more would not help the movie it would mean a 4th movie needed where the 4th would be less energetic then the 3rd as sauron would have been defeated. so no moviewise not to many endings please

@damatar

4 жыл бұрын

I agree and so many movie and television series these days don't "stick the landing" *cough GoT* It's a joy that LOTR stuck the landing and then some. It leaves you in tears as the credits roll and Annie Lennox's excellent "Into the West" plays over the concept art.

@sadev101

4 жыл бұрын

@@damatar ahh annie singing into the west, they can play that when im going 6 feet under. song gives me shivers so beautiful

Sam Gamgee: King of Hobbits :-D Book is called: "The Return of the King" Final line in both book and movie: "Well, I'm back." ...spoken by Samwise Gamgee, the King of the Hobbits.

@johnnythemachine6949

3 жыл бұрын

Sam later becomes the mayor and the de facto ruler of the Shire, but by law, the ruler of the Shire would be the Thain. By the time of the story the ruling Thain is Pippin's dad with Pippin being his heir. In Gondor Pippin is even called "Ernil i Pheriannath" which literally means "Prince of the Halflings". So if someone from the Fellowship would be the King of Hobbits, it's Pippin

@LuisSierra42

3 жыл бұрын

Mind = Blown

@aldowilliams4765

2 жыл бұрын

don't stop till you got a homie like Sam

@purplecobra52

2 жыл бұрын

That's a stretch. "The King" refers to Aragon.

@aldowilliams4765

2 жыл бұрын

@@purplecobra52 whoosh

There's one difference in the Fellowship, that ends up playing a role in a very subtle way in Return of the King. In Fellowship, we're first introduced to the group of rangers that Aragorn is part of, simply by name, but they are mentioned. And Tolkien tells us that the Rangers and Aragorn have basically been guarding the border between the lands of men and the lands of Hobbits, effectively protecting the Shire from any harm. When they show up in either Two Towers or Return of the King to join up with Aragorn, they effectively lead the border between the lands of the men and the Shire unguarded which is what allows Sauruman to invade and take over the Shire. Due not only to Sauruman's death, but also the fact that the Rangers never join up with Aragorn, the Shire is never in any danger. So, that detail being cut, actually kind of makes sense.

@Dantelor

4 жыл бұрын

Wow.. Thats actually... Very clever... Huh... Good one.

@dearmalaysia

4 жыл бұрын

Wow, good point. My only explanations are Saruman's death in Isengard and the fact that there's a lot from The Two Towers that was carried into this movie that won't allow much room for the Shire chapter.

@baguettegott3409

4 жыл бұрын

@@dearmalaysia And it kind of hurts the tension... people already complained about the five scenes after the climax wrapping everything up, how bad do you think it would be if there's was a whole new subplot at the end?

@dearmalaysia

4 жыл бұрын

Baguette Gott exactly. It was a good choice to leave that out.

@PGraveDigger1

4 жыл бұрын

Saruman* You're completely correct, except the name.

The faces you use for the characters are disturbing

@daniellemhall1358

4 жыл бұрын

You're one to talk with that icon.

@MrDuck797

4 жыл бұрын

More disturbing than 1978 Lord of the Rings?

@davros_adl8155

4 жыл бұрын

not Merlin!

@jaimelannister1797

3 жыл бұрын

Not as disturbing as the way they pronounce each characters names

Denathor: my sons are dead and my line has ended Faramir: dad can you give me some water for my fever? Denathor: shh

@ingold1470

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair he was stabbed by a ringwraith, and Denethor lacked Elvish medicine.

One really awesome addition to the movies occurs once the rings lands in the fires of mount dooms. In the books the specifics of the rings destruction aren't really lingered on, but in the movies we have shots focusing on the ring. When it lands in the magma, it actually floats there for a little while. When that is happening, Frodo is hanging on the cliff edge but has his attention on the ring, probably considering jumping in after it. Only when he takes Sam's hand and switch his focus away from the Ring does it get destroyed. It is somewhat subtle, but worth mentioning!

I absolutely LOVED "The Voice of Saruman" chapter in The Two Towers. I don't know why, but the conversation between Saruman and the others was fantastic to me.

@feveraeroelder

4 жыл бұрын

Me too! It's so well written, and the part where Gandalf breaks Saruman's staff got me cheering as a read it for the first time.

Actually, Sam is the hero of The Lord of the Rings.

@MisterCatMan

7 жыл бұрын

I agree he doesn't get enough credit and he touches my heart every time i watch the movies

@paulkielty8385

7 жыл бұрын

Mr. cat Tolkien even said it : )

@Utomneian

7 жыл бұрын

I Can't Carry It For You... But I Can Carry You!

@dakotapiner5389

7 жыл бұрын

No, Bill the Pony is the true hero...

@brianc9374

6 жыл бұрын

Mazrim Taim ...Sam n frodo. influenced by his time in WW1. the middle class officer corps and the working class enlisted are represented by those 2 characters

Oh, another major difference is the treatment of Lord Denethor. The movie really missed an opportunity to show Denethor as the King Lear character he is. In the book he was a brilliant statistician, albeit prideful to a fault. He was the one to organize the military resistance to Mordor, the Gondorian Rangers operating behind enemy lines, the repair of the great wall surrounding the suburbs and farmlands of Minas Tirith, orders the lighting of the beacons to summon the Gondorian Army of the South (although they got tied up defending the southern port city of Pelargir) and their Rohan allies, orders successful sorties in defense of the City, etc, etc... In other words, he was a good and noble leader in the beginning, so when he fell into despair and madness it was so tragic and disturbing, as this dude was essentially the supreme commander of the Free Peoples and without him we are absolutely f*cked.

@parkbahce100

6 жыл бұрын

You're so right, and seeing people doesn't really care that character changes makes me really mad. I mean he fought all the time trying todefend the country almost single handed. And he didn't corrupt when he uses Palantir to challenge Sauron while Saruman become his bitch.

@thorbeorn4295

6 жыл бұрын

Park Bahçe exactly. Denethor had an extremely strong mind. He used the Palantir often and Sauron would most likely try to sway him over to the dark side or learn secrets of his enemy through Denethor, but Denethor gave him nothing and never got effected by Saurons mindgames.. He was a badass and extremely strong willed and had a mind more resistant than Saruman.

@RobtheYuppy

5 жыл бұрын

@@thorbeorn4295 He was badass and used the Palantir to his advantage, gaining knowledge and sight and seeing the mind of his enemy. However as is pointed out in the book his comprehension of what he is facing is what destroys him. With the Palantir he sees the scale of Sauron's power and over time it wears him down into despair and melancholy.

@fede98k54

5 жыл бұрын

@@RobtheYuppy From what I understand, while Sauron could not control his mind, he could change what he would see with it, showing him an army much larger than what he really had

@Michael-kd1ho

5 жыл бұрын

Yes Denethor is a much more complex character in the books. His distrust of Gandalf is further explained in their history, when he accuses Gandalf of bringing this "Ranger of the north" to supplant him. He was much more perceptive than even Gandalf gave him credit for in the begining - Aragorn served in the army of Gondor for several years with distinction, his ultimate achievement a raid on Umbar and the burning of the Corsair fleet there. He was much lauded by the Steward Echtelion, Denethor's father. Aragorn left to range alone in the east in Rhun after Denethor took power. Denethor also used the Palantir of Minas Tirith, a stone tied especially hard to the one in Sauron's possesion. It was thus he aquired much of his knowledge of Sauron's plans and Gandalf's exploites - he knew far more than he let on regarding the Ring and that whole business. But that knowledge came with a price - while Sauron could not break his will and bend him to his service, the constant struggle of mind and will with the Dark Lord sapped Denethor's strength and sanity. To quote Gandalf, in the council after Denethor's death and the Battle of Pelenor : "The Stones of Seeing do not lie, and not even the Lord of Barad Dur can make them do so. He can, perhaps, by his will choose what things shall be seen by weaker minds, or cause them to mistake the meaning of that which they see. Nonetheless, it cannot be doubted that when Denethor saw great forces arrayed against him in Mordor, and more still being gathered, he saw that which truly is."

I have two comments to make regarding this mostly excellent video. First and less significant is that Sam has to sneak past these creepy, magical statues -- called Watchers -- at Cirith Ungol. Not a big difference, but it is there. Second is that "The Scouring of the Shire" is far from tacked on, it's the climax of the four hobbits' character arcs. They've gone from childish cowards to brave leaders over the course of their separate journeys. Their development into mature, respectable adults who do what needs to be done without complaint is the most significant change of character in the novel. This chapter also demonstrates that war had repercussions beyond the core events themselves. Apart from these oversights, however, this is an entertaining and informative upload. Thank you for making it!

@rageagainstmyhatchet

7 жыл бұрын

A fair point, except they're not young or childish. Frodo is fifty years old, Sam and Merry somewhere in early forties and Pippin is the youngest at 33 (I think)...

@noahhenson1669

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, but insofar as hobbits are longer-lived, they retain childish qualities longer than men. Tolkien says that 33 is their coming-of-age time, akin to our 18. And beyond their physical age, hobbit personalities in general are purposefully presented as immature, child-like. When the four come back from the War, they have developed skills and courage beyond the usual ken of hobbits.

@rageagainstmyhatchet

7 жыл бұрын

Noah Henson hmmm, I don't think they live That much longer.... it was still remarkable to everyone that Bilbo had lived to 111 years old (and still in good health)... I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't all kick the bucket by 80/90ish... after all, frodo says at 50 that he feels like he's let his life get away from him and regrets being so passive since Bilbo left.... as for hitting 33, that's just a cultural mark, unless you've read something that means they're adolescents until their 30s?

@noahhenson1669

7 жыл бұрын

Tolkien tells us that hobbits lived about 100 years, and that 33 was the age they attained adulthood.

@rageagainstmyhatchet

7 жыл бұрын

Noah Henson fair play..... I'll take that and add it to my brain store.

I feel like even in this video the events at the battle of bywater and when the hobbits got back to the shire was completely downplayed. I mean I feel this ending is huge. It shows how bad arse Merry and Pippin became, like the fact they weren't even close to being afraid, almost cocky. After everything happened, Merry and Pippin became wardens of the shire and sheriffs. Sam became the Mayor. Pippin was eventually buried next Aragorn in the kinds tomb when he died, while Merry was buried in Rohan. Sam, who also bore the ring; even for a short time, was able to cross the sea to the land of the undying where he would have reunited with Frodo. The ending is pretty awesome and shows how prestigious the hobbits became and how brave and powerful they were.

@danieldasilva9829

2 жыл бұрын

Problem being that it's anticlimactic for a film

@finalfant111

2 жыл бұрын

@@danieldasilva9829 Is it any less anticlimactic than the film ended? I mean, the film ended with them as basically nobodies, just a bunch of schlubs. Nothing. It was actually depressing how the movies ended.

@danieldasilva9829

2 жыл бұрын

@@finalfant111 that's... definitely not how I saw it. They definitely weren't nobodies, only a few scenes before the entire host of minas tirith, rohan, rivendell, and lothlorien bowed before them.

@uyeah1234

2 жыл бұрын

@@finalfant111 Uh nooo? All 4 of the hobbits had the entire kingdom, Gandalf and the King himself bow down to them. They don't do that for a bunch of nobodies lol. Them going back to a normal life in the movie fits with the themes. Hobbits are at the core just looking to relax and don't change their life style very much. Even after saving the world it shows that hobbits will remain hobbits.

God help you with the Hobbit Trilogy.

@NimbusAngelo

7 жыл бұрын

nunouno001 It wouldn't be that much harder of a task.

@jasonblalock4429

7 жыл бұрын

I really can't see them doing The Hobbit. The entire thing would just be "And this one line from the book was expanded into half an hour of screen time" over and over.

@DarthShadie

7 жыл бұрын

And this scene was taken from the History of Middle Earth volume this, appendix that. Seriously!

@JohnM...

6 жыл бұрын

nunouno001 the Hobbit films are a stain on Jackson's reputation the same way the Star Wars prequels are for Lucas - but then, Jackson had his hands tied while Lucas just had zero idea what he was doing.

@calebfleming123

6 жыл бұрын

The hobbit wasn't bad at all imo. I liked almost everything they added onto it. I didn't want to see the final Middle earth movies end so quickly so the fact that they added more to it was really cool in my opinion. It has everything from the book doesn't it? Maybe a few things left out but it added some cool things like the pale orc story, the necromancer story and how it ties into lord of the rings for new middle earth goers who are to lazy to read. The love story was really pointless lol. But that was small compared to everything else.

My favorite part is when Legolas sees the sea in spite of Galadriel's warning and becomes obsessed with it and even writes a song. Also Sam's song in the orc tower.

@MarcRitzMD

7 жыл бұрын

Dan Slash could you elaborate? what warning? sounds cool

@sartanko

7 жыл бұрын

When they meet The Grey Company Galadriel has a message to them, her message to Legolas is: "Legolas Greenleaf long under tree In joy thou hast lived. Beware of the Sea! If thou hearest the cry of the gull on the shore Thy heart shall then rest in the forest no more." After they do the ghost business Legolas then hears seagulls and becomes obsessed with the sea and to sail west to Valinor.

@masterblaster7953

7 жыл бұрын

Which if you pay attention the the lyrics to "into the west" one can say it might be a nod to hearing the seagulls call to bring you home. Though we later found out that Lego stayed until Aragorn had passed and took Gimili with him since he was allowed to go and he wanted to see the lady of the forest.

The dumbing down of Eowyn's speech to the Witch King is one of the changes that bothered me the most. "I am no man" Witch King - "Thou fool. No living man may hinder me!” Then Merry heard of all sounds in that hour the strangest. It seemed that Dernhelm laughed, and the clear voice was like the ring of steel. Eoywn - “But no living man am I! You look upon a woman. Éowyn I am, Éomund’s daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him.”

@brettevill9055

4 жыл бұрын

Even worse, the movie leaves out the conversation between Éowyn and Aragorn at Dunharrow (in Ch. II of Book Five, the first part of "The Return of the King") where he refuses to let her ride to war with him and she reams him out for the sexist bollocks he has just spouted. "All your words are but to say: you are a woman, and your part is in the house. But when the men have died in battle and honour, you have leave to be burned in the house, because men will need it no more. But I am of the House of Eorl and not a serving-maid. I can ride and wield a blade and I fear neither pain nor death."

@satanbrony9235

4 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/moue1piFd8uuo6w.html If you prefer unnessarry speach.

@tcrpgfan

4 жыл бұрын

And she would probably be dead in that time frame it took to get that short monologue out.

@LaRapier

3 жыл бұрын

Would make 0 sense for the Witch King to stop and listen to her tho.

@russianbotfarm3036

3 жыл бұрын

@@LaRapier Nah, it's unexpected - it might hold him up for a second while he wonders whether the meaning of the prophecy or whether it includes women or not. Then Merry stabs him with the barrowwight's knife.

You forgot about the travels of Gimli and Legolas, where they visit the elven forests and dwarven caves together and then due to the great friendship between them when Legolas ALSO goes to the undying lands of Numenor, Gilmli is the first and only dwarf allowed to go with him. That is a significant part of the book completely out of the movies.

@dustine7041

6 жыл бұрын

Can't expect him to cover every difference..

@biggieshmeat3672

5 жыл бұрын

I agree with your comment and I don't want to nitpick but the undying lands are called Valinor, not Numenor. Numenor was an island of long-lived men where Aragorn's line hails from, but was corrupted by Sauron and sank into the sea by Eru Illuvatar in the second age. Again I don't want to nitpick or discredit your comment, I just felt like I had to point it out in case other readers got confused with name. Have a nice day!

@bigbengamer

5 жыл бұрын

Another thing about Gimli that was tragically left out was when he humbly asked Galadriel for a single strand of hair from her head, and she gave him three.

@kapten-awesome

5 жыл бұрын

@@bigbengamer it's in the extended version

@dearmalaysia

4 жыл бұрын

I love how they decided to co-operate when talking about their passion. Legolas' love for trees and wildlife and Gimli's love for the wonders of the caves. Though neither agreed with the other, they made a deal. "Okay, I'll go where you want to go if YOU follow me to where *I* want to go." When Legolas saw the caves with Gimli, he was speechless at the beauty and I only wish I could know what Gimli's reaction was when Legolas took him to Fangorn. Imagine if Legolas were to introduce Gimli to his father, that'd be a treat.

These books and movies have so much depth even if they are fantasy. Probably the most crucial moment was the Frodo deciding not to throw the ring into Mount Doom. At first, I thought it's just a narrative trick to build up the tension even more but when I looked back at it actually made so much sense. Hobbits were creatures whom inherently didn't desire power as we are told in "concerning hobbits" chapter, that's why Bilbo renounces the ring so relatively easy after 60 years of obsessing over it and the fact that Frodo decides to keep it at the most crucial of moments is the realisation that power ultimately corrupts, even if you don't desire it. And the fact that the ring is destroyed by a stupid dance of victory is the most ironic and surreal thing I've read or seen. As Zizek said, if you want to see something more real than reality itself, watch a fictional film. Thank you so much for making these videos.

@MasterBombadillo

7 жыл бұрын

Not entirely. Hobbits aren't creatures that don't desire power at all, but generally desire simpler and smaller things in life. The only being in Middle-Earth that doesn't desire power and control is Tom Bombadil, and that's also why the Ring can't corrupt him. The thing is: while the Ring can't corrupt Bombadil because of his lack of desires to change the world around him, or control other beings, it's also exactly the thing that makes Bombadil quite harmless to the Ring. After all, he doesn't desire the destruction of the Ring either: he wants to know about it and stuff, but doing it himself is not his way. It's also why Gandalf criticised the idea to send the Ring to Bombadil to keep it safe: Tom wouldn't understand the need and probably just lose it. Meanwhile, Hobbits don't desire world domination and stuff like that, which makes them more resistant to the corruption of the Ring. Frodo and Sam -amongst a few others - did desire the power to destroy the One Ring. Frodo also desires for some power to protect his friends, and to be stronger to fulfill his quest. Bilbo desired many times to just disappear from the Sackville-Bagginses. And these latter ones surely wanted some power and glory. But the desires of Hobbits were generally simpler than those of the likes of Boromir, Faramir, Aragorn and even Gandalf. Sam's experience provides us with a clear example of how he managed to resist the Ring: he didn't want to control armies and stuff, but still wanted control over his own garden. There's just less stuff the Ring can use to get a hold over their minds. And over time, they will break. Unlike Bombadil. I hope this post is easier to understand than I think it is. If it raises questions, just ask. I'm too lazy to rewrite my post at the moment.

@nickdanger4568

7 жыл бұрын

Actually the ring wasn't destroyed by a stupid victory dance but by the ring itself. A lot of people don't catch this one line that Frodo says to Gollum while clutching the ring. Frodo appears in a white robe and the ring a wheel of fire... Frodo commands Gollum through the ring: "Begone, and trouble me no more! If you touch me ever again, you shall be cast yourself into the Fire of Doom." Hence, the ending... Gollum didn't want to die and he couldn't master the ring but he had to obey the Precious and cast himself into the fire of Mount Doom.

@bmabs35

7 жыл бұрын

Actually, it was Iluvatar (God) who intervened and "made" Gollum fall into the pits of Mount Doom.

@ct-hv1uz

6 жыл бұрын

I think it's an ironic fate that in the films, it is the temptation power of the ring, the thing that kept it alive for so many thousands of years, that ultimately causes its destruction. The Ring accidentally kills itself by tempting two people at once who fight over it.

@scottbilger9294

5 жыл бұрын

@@nickdanger4568 I always thought it was the dance because no one could deliberately allow the ring to be destroyed. Gollum's buffoonery destroyed the ring accidently.

I think you should have explained the death of the witch-king a bit better. In the movies it almost seems as if the witch-king is killed because of a grammatical nitpick, while in reality the only reason eowyn is able to kill the witch king is due to merry stabbing him with a blade that was designed JUST to kill the nazgul (while this does happen in the movie, it's not made clear), lowering the Witch-Kings defences

@Sivart343

7 жыл бұрын

Xerone But Merry stabs him with a previously blunt Rohan dagger in the movie.

@wachtwoorden2

7 жыл бұрын

No he doesn't. In the extended movies you can see his dagger is a gift from Galadriel, his sword short however was a blunt Rohan sword.

@SauroniastyPL

7 жыл бұрын

In the movies same as in Books his sword is long dagger given to him by Aragorn (in the Books taken from barrow Downs) and craftyed by Men from Arthedain and Elves from Lindon to damage/kill a nazgul as much as possible, it was in a times of war with Angmar and Witchking

@DarthShadie

7 жыл бұрын

That is true. The fact that Eowyn gives the final blow is more symbolic, but it is the joint effort of both Merry and Eowyn that prevail.

@RocketHarry865

7 жыл бұрын

fully intact fellowship of the ring would of have been worth 2 movies.

Book nerds can be as angry as they want, but the films were great. Not every adaptation needs or should be 100% accurate

@acrefray

6 жыл бұрын

Nor should they be. I'm of the opinion that the books were far greater than the movies, but if there was a 100% accurate transfer from book to movie, it would've been a pretty boring movie in many places. The mediums are just too different. That being said, whilst I felt there were certain opportunities missed with the movies, it would have lengthened an already incredibly long set of movies, and as movies go, they were pretty damn great.

@Cookie-zz2mg

5 жыл бұрын

i'm a book nerd but i love those filmes, some of the adaption were for the better. it's the hobbit i have beef with

@ianwestc

4 жыл бұрын

I'm a book nerd, but I think the films are great. I might nit pick a few scenes, but it's really just that.

@davedanger9839

4 жыл бұрын

@ClandestineOstrich wow, you were able to use pedestrian, amateur, and juvenile all in the span of two lines. Congrats?

@MrDuck797

4 жыл бұрын

Bunny Rabbit but What’s the Difference was wrong about Mouth of Sauron, it was his horse that had flaming nostrils and eyes. Look in the book. And Mouth of Sauron was most likely a Black Númenorean (correct my spelling if I’m wrong).

I honestly get goosebumps EVERY time the dead rush through Aragorn in the movie.

The fact you used Merlin's face for Saruman really made me giggle - great video!

@Samm815

7 жыл бұрын

Which Merlin?

@rachaelfitzpatrick8574

7 жыл бұрын

Sam Lucas old Merlin from the BBC series

@TheMYpad

6 жыл бұрын

Oh hahahaha Emrys!

@tubekulose

5 жыл бұрын

Using Mont St. Michel for Minas Tirith wasn't bad either. And Groot as one of the Ents. :-)

The book actually reveals in the appendices that Sam, right at the end of his life, took the final ship from the Grey Havens to the Undying Lands

@TakisP21

7 жыл бұрын

Will 72277 The last members of the fellowship leaving middle earth are gimli and legolas. I dont remember if they left from the Grey Havens though

@Will-vf6lg

7 жыл бұрын

Τάκης Π in the appendices of Return of the King, it says that Sam gave the Red Book (the hobbit and lord of the rings) to his kids and left for the grey havens

@TakisP21

7 жыл бұрын

Yes i know but i am not sure if legolas and gimli (who left middle earth after Aragorns Death) left from the Gray Havens. They left from Gondor didnt they?

@Will-vf6lg

7 жыл бұрын

Τάκης Π "he (Sam) comes to the Tower Hills, and is last seen by Elanor to whom he gives the Red Book... amongst them the tradition is that Samwise passed the Towers, went down to the Grey Havens and passed over the Sea, the last of the Ringbearers" You are correct though, Gimli and Legolas left for the Undying Lands after Sam

@caliscribe

7 жыл бұрын

It didn't say it was the last ship -- Cirdan, who was in charge of the Havens and the ships that sailed from there, said that he would remain "until the last ship sails", presumably when the last of the Elves chose to pass over Sea, at which time he would also sail.

What I love about the scene with the mouth of Sauron is that his taunt actually kind of proves that Frodo isn’t dead because they only have his mithril and not the ring, in which Sauron could probably take physical form again

@uberbyte7467

3 жыл бұрын

Sauron always was able to have physical form, in a letter Tolkien wrote many years ago, he confirmed it. And in the book if I remember correctly, it's mentioned by gollum that he saw a man with missing fingers when he was captured at Bara-dur. Sauron is powerful, but he wouldn't put himself in danger of the battlefield after being beaten the last time, and he doesn't have a ring so he's at a bigger disadvantage.

Tolkien considered the Scouring of the Shire an important part of the Lord of the Rings. As it reflected Tolkien's feelings on much the country he had been fighting for had changed at the end of the war. Though I can understand from a film perspective which is nearly 3 to 4 hours long why it was cut out for timing purposes.

@mrnygren2

3 жыл бұрын

They had a scene with Uruk-Hai enslaving Hobbits in a burning Shire in Galadriel's mirror in the first movie. I wonder if that was part of a deleted scene of the "Scouring of the Shire".

@DeadManSinging1

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrnygren2 I think originally they were going to do it, but cut the concept early in filming. The short footage they got they used as a vision in Fellowship

Except in the book, Sam can't "move on" because he put on the ring. He, too, takes a ship to the Grey Havens. Or was that in the appendix?

@TakisP21

7 жыл бұрын

Alex If i am not mistaken books end with sam going home to rose. All the rest are on the appendix

@MrEmigliore

7 жыл бұрын

Alex that was in the appendix. After his wife's death he is called to the port where Frodo is waiting on am elven ship. That way no ringbearer is left in middle earth

@Darkstar321

7 жыл бұрын

I wonder what this is going to mean for Calimbrimbor and the Ranger Talion who together make up the Wraith Lord known by the names Grave Walker and Bright Lord?

@TheSilverPhoenix100

7 жыл бұрын

the appendix, he lives out the rest of his life till Rose passes then sets sail for the havens

@jasonblalock4429

7 жыл бұрын

There's quite a bit of good stuff in the appendix, if you skim through it. My favorite part is that even after the end of the great war, the epic bromance between Gimli and Legolas continues. They become companions in adventure for decades, as well as together rebuilding friendship between elves and dwarfs in general. Finally, Legolas decides to leave on the last ship to depart the Grey Havens - and Gimli comes with, the only dwarf allowed to pass into the West.

Who needs notifications when you're always on KZread? Keep it up the good work!

@randomgames8761

7 жыл бұрын

saw you on another video, but this is so true

@jj-hb8rq

7 жыл бұрын

Xonar exactly

@leumnewman8772

7 жыл бұрын

hell yee

@human260

7 жыл бұрын

Story of my sad life lul.

@myinfo3406

7 жыл бұрын

lol...me

I can't even imagine the vast depth of creativity Tolkien needed to create this whole series. It's a ridiculous scope, trully truly crazy.

6:13 correction, it wasn't just Aragorn and a small company taking the Corsair ships north, but much of Gondor's Army of the South which had been tied up defending the city of Pelargir while the assault on Minas Tirith was underway. With the threat to Gondor's primary port city removed they were able to finally meet up with the Army of the North in the Pelennor Fields and thus turn the tide of battle. Otherwise great video!! :D

@THExPOPEXIX

2 жыл бұрын

and the oathbreakers did not fight on the pelennor fields. there are ton of differences they missed or glossed over in this vid, i was hoping for deeper analysis, hopefully there is a better video out there

no need to say "spoilers ahead." I mean, who in the hell hasn't watched lotr trilogy yet.

@metumortis6323

7 жыл бұрын

Stevo Canuck apparently the generation currently in highschool hasn't seen it from what my younger brother says.

@samuelrodick6326

7 жыл бұрын

In my middle school about 55% of students have seen it

@invock

7 жыл бұрын

Tamara's never seen it.

@metumortis6323

7 жыл бұрын

invock she hasn't indeed

@89dungey

7 жыл бұрын

Excuse me? My unborn child hasn't.

Seriously, I will set myself on fire if Hollywood decides to redo/remake The Lord of The Rings in a green room.

@TheRealNormanBates

7 жыл бұрын

If Hollywood remade LOTR in a green room, does that mean Elijah Wood would be in it?

@codekhalil6437

7 жыл бұрын

They would never remake LOTR. The trilogy won like everyone award. No need for them to remake perfection

@ikmnification5737

7 жыл бұрын

I could imagine them doing a Lord of the Rings side story/sequel that has no publication in 10-20 years. If they got Elijah Wood as old Frodo and Daniel Radcliffe as his son, that would make it. They need to be filmed side by side in something for posterity.

@NimbusAngelo

7 жыл бұрын

Well, they did use blue screen and green screen for this trilogy.

@gabrielrangel956

7 жыл бұрын

After the awful Hobbit movie I want Hollywood as far away from Tolkien as possoble.

The gifts from Galadriel in Fellowship are important in the Scouring of the Shire. Sam uses his gift (a box with dirt to grow a perfect garden and an acorn that would grow a tree from Lothlorien) and uses it not for himself but for the whole shire, restoring the beauty that was destroyed by Saruman. He plants the tree to replace the party tree (from the Fellowship) which had been cut down.

I remember my father telling me that in the books Elves come in aid of Aragorn through the ships. Not a ghost army, infact he said there was no ghost army. Weird

Im early unlike gandalf

@audieliem4843

7 жыл бұрын

Boris Greven Now that's a great early comment

@martijnstuart95

7 жыл бұрын

Boris Greven A wizard is never late. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to.

@r0bw00d

7 жыл бұрын

You're not early. You never have been and you never will be. Not in this context, anyway.

@xFlared

7 жыл бұрын

I say that whenever I'm late to class, then I get kicked out again. Still worth.

@borisgreven3635

7 жыл бұрын

Yoel Prieto, Jr. i seriously just now realised it had over 400 likes😂

the ending always make me cry.

@moosetasticbombastic1998

7 жыл бұрын

OldBurnzy which one? there's like 10 fakeouts.

@DarthShadie

7 жыл бұрын

Many parts of the movies make me cry, and I cried reading the book too, so you can imagine lol I remember going to see Return of the King in the cinema with my friend and her father wished up to have a good cry instead of a good time haha

@moosetasticbombastic1998

7 жыл бұрын

I haven't read the books in years. They still occupy my bookshelf though. My local cheapo theater shows all 3, special editions, in a row once a year. Breaks in between. It's an all day event. I try to go every year. It's like a mini convention.

@DavitosanX

7 жыл бұрын

"You bow to no one" gets me every time.

@baklan-in-the-neighbourhoo7665

6 жыл бұрын

OldBurnzy I know Captain Typhus of The Death Guard ;)

"You kneel for no one" is still about the only movie moment that makes me tear up all these years later.

You obviously didn't pay attention to the ending of the chapter of "The Scouring of the Shire", because Gríma did NOT stab Saruman, he slit his throat and was shot by hobbit arrows. Heres the verbatim passage from the book: Saruman laughed. " You do what Sharkey says, always, don't you, Worm? Well, now he says: follow!" He kicked Wormtongue in the face as he grovelled, and turned and made off. But at that moment something snapped: suddenly Wormtongue rose up, drawing a hidden knife, and then with a snarl like a dog he sprang on Saruman's back, jerked his head back, cut his throat, and with a yell ran off down the lane. Before Frodo could recover or speak a word, three Hobbit-bows twanged and Wormtongue fell dead.

I thought Saruman was introduced when he met with Gandalf and imprisoned him on his tower after announcing he was no longer the White, but "Saruman of Many Colours."

@Sivart343

7 жыл бұрын

Impractical Fishermen Yes, unless we discount flashbacks.

@Enkabard

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, he was quite dick about Gandalf smoking a lot of leafs in book too! This video is fuuuull of mistakes.

@MrChickennugget360

7 жыл бұрын

he is only scene by a point of view character for the first time in "The Voice of Saruman" though.

@peterlewerin4213

5 жыл бұрын

Not in person, just in Gandalf's account at the Council of Elrond.

@benvarma3427

5 жыл бұрын

That doesn’t happen in real time Gandalf tells it as a flashback at the council of Elrond

So, basically, Aragorn is Jesus

@williamhartman5424

3 жыл бұрын

Nah, Tolkien is above such mundane 1 to 1 allegory. Aragorn's ability to heal with his hands is probably based off of the medieval ritual of the 'Royal Touch,' through which it was thought that the touch of the monarch had the ability to heal the sick. It was a practiced on and off in England from the 11th to 18th century, first performed by Edward the Confessor and discontinued after the reign of Queen Anne. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_touch

@-MrFozzy-

3 жыл бұрын

I’d love to hear your reasoning...aside from the beard, long hair and both being fictional characters...

@Sou1Reav3r

3 жыл бұрын

​@@williamhartman5424 to be more precise, he didn't have any magic healing hands in the books. He's just well versed in medicine and knows how to treat the malaise caused by the nazguls - their mere presence sucks the life out of people, forcing despair and terror or even catatonic state.

@elias9746

3 жыл бұрын

@@-MrFozzy- faith aside, Jesus if Nazareth was a real human being, known by the Romans as a local radical preacher. They saw him as a threat to the status quo and killed him.

I feel like the movies should’ve had the Scouring of the Shire. I really wanted to see Saruman, basically looking like a hobo without his staff, discovered by the Hobbits, and also the hobbits pushing through their hard times. It may have ended up a bit longer for an already 3 hour or 4 hour at least in the extended edition.

@andrewrichesson8627

3 жыл бұрын

The movie didn't need it. It was about defeating Sauron. The scouring of the shire was a side note from the main plot line.

@Threepster

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it’s the full-circle payoff. My favorite part.

You really fucked up the Mouth of Sauron part! Not the Mouth of Sauron has flaming eyes and nostrils in the book, his *horse* does. The Mouth of Sauron himself is just an evil man of Black Numenorean descent. Also, words cannot express how pissed off I was seeing Aragorn decapitate him - that is NOT what you do in a parley if you're the good guy! Gandalf even says as much in the book!

@rdyt0

3 жыл бұрын

Ahhh, I mistakenly thought MOS has flaming eyes and nostrils as well.

Can you guys please do a video on visual storytelling? Maybe "5 Great Examples of Visual Storytelling" or something? That'd be great!

@gyromurphy

7 жыл бұрын

Jake G 2187 I am error

@cha5

7 жыл бұрын

Jake G 2187 Neil Gaiman's entire comic book series The Sandman.

@kilpatrickfilms

7 жыл бұрын

All of Edgar Wright's movies

One detail from the book is that the army that attacks the black gate is less then the vanguard (the front line troops) of the army that fought sauron in the battle of the last alliance where sauron lost the ring. Aragorn was actually concerned that his distraction was too feeble to draw out sauron's forces

I would definely buy a AGL+G heavy metal album!!

Why cover the Extended Edition of ROTK, when you didn't the others? Doesn't make much sense. The EE are the ones to watch so you should have covered them in the previous two videos.

@GaSevilha

5 жыл бұрын

I found this to be weird too

@HeadCannon19

4 жыл бұрын

xboxboba1 they probably saw the comments on the other 2 videos telling them to do the EEs, and decided to oblige on the third video

@MidknightPheonix

4 жыл бұрын

While I agree that they should have covered the EEs in the previous videos, the additions to the first two movies are rather minor, mainly just little character scenes. the third EE however adds some really big scenes, like sarumans end and the mouth of sauron.

@RelsisFido

4 жыл бұрын

Because the extended edition of The Return of the King is over a whole hour longer than the theatrical cut.

@FilmAppreciationSociety

4 жыл бұрын

@@RelsisFido Fellowship is 30 minutes longer and Two Towers 40 minutes so those add a lot of material as well. I understand ROTK has over an hour more including Saruman's death which should never have been cut, but it was weird to do one and not the other two.

Not showing Denethors palantir is one of the biggest missed opportunities imo. Like why not show it? THe Palantirs are established in the story and it explains Denethors behaviour instead of just making him out to be a random crazy unlikable guy it makes him more 3-dimensional while also showing Saurons power of fear.

@NostalgiNorden

6 жыл бұрын

This is still a good point! Screw you guys!

@vanyadolly

5 жыл бұрын

Watch the extended versions

@android19willpwn

5 жыл бұрын

Disagree. Having a character be crazy just because of Sauron fuckery is significantly less interesting and 3-dimensional than having a character be genuinely unhinged by their own merits. While Sauron is certainly the main threat and antagonist, it's helpful if not every problem in all of Middle Earth is caused directly by him. Also it helps justify Aragorn's return as a good man and good king if the city has been under this kind of leadership for a long time purely by the fault of the leaders. If it's Sauron's fault that the steward was crazy then just defeating Sauron would have solved Gondor's problem, no true king required.

@brooksboy78

4 жыл бұрын

@@android19willpwn Denethor is indescribably more nuanced in the book. His portrayal in the movie is laughably terrible.

@THExPOPEXIX

2 жыл бұрын

@@brooksboy78 I agree. I was such a huge movie and tv fan as a kid but I have since read some to the books of my favorite movies are based on and the books are always better(Jurassic park, harry potter, the hobbit) They just have more time.

You missed two Things: In book Merry doesnt know that the soldier hes riding with is Eowyn. Also the Rohirrim ask the Forest People (Druadan) for help to sneak to the Battlefield

I never read the books but I tripped across the animated series back in the eighties and was hooked. One part that I was sad to see hadn't made it to the film was the scene at Cirith Ungol after Frodo Had been captured. Sam had the Phial of Galadriel which he used to break the will of the watchers at the entrance to the castle. After which, the barrier dropped, the alarm sounds, and Sam finds all the Orcs dead.

some say, it was eru illuvatar that pushed gollem in the lavapit with his divine invisible hand

@brettevill9055

4 жыл бұрын

It was the oath that Gollum took to Frodo, sworn on the "Precious", on the way up Mount Doom. He was like "if I betray you, let me be thrown into the fire", and he did and was. But yes, it's a really important part of the theme that Frodo is humble, and merciful, and temperate, and braced from front to back with moral fortitude, but that even he cannot destroy the Ring. He goes through all that arduous crap and in the end he fails. Or would have but for the grace of God. He's prudence, courage, temperance, justice, faith, hope, and pity from tip to toe and what that gets him is not victory but into a position in which he can receive the grace of God. Yep, Eru Ilúvatar pushed Gollum into the lava. He sure did. Because Man cannot defeat Evil but by the grace of God. And you can't expect a good Catholic like JRRT to say any different.

Nope, the battle of the pellenor fields is way better in the book. The armies of gondor even ally out of the city to help the rohirim fight. Rohan fought southrons in the south of the battlefield, while the men of gondor pushed east against everything else. Andof course, no unbeatable ghosts means the fight is much more significant.

@Flaris

7 жыл бұрын

Not even close man....the movie just blows that fight in the book out of the water. As frankly it should.

@TheLatiosnlatias02

6 жыл бұрын

I think the ghosts are effective in annihilating the enemies

@mol1866

5 жыл бұрын

man i missed the mans of dol amroth in minas tirith with Imrahil and the swan knight i think they would have made and absolutly cool set of armor

I enjoyed these videos. Very informative and a good condensed look at the differences. Of course you had to skip over a "minor" few to save for time. I just personally wish you had gone over the many lords of Gondor who helped with the defense of Minis Tirith. Imrahil is one of my favourite characters in the books and just people knowing he's not in the movies at all, even though he did a lot of work helping Gandalf defend the city, would have made me feel better. Again a personal thing. These videos were fantastic and when I get around to having a round of viewings of the movies with Friends I'll definitely play these after.

One of the biggest differences is that in the book Sam spares Golum's life after their fight rather than him just escaping, so the ring is only eventually destroyed by Sam's mercy.

Super cool video series... But holy shit the way you guys pronounce any LOTR-related nouns is absolutely cringeworthy.

@Z_F-P_22

6 жыл бұрын

Those are just normal nouns tho- hes referring to LOTR specific ones (i get your making a joke but i gotta just point it out)

@xanderfields4375

4 жыл бұрын

@Alexander Supertramp Sairomun

One thing that reeeeally bugged me about the movie is that it implies that Gollum betrayed Frodo & Sam because of how harshly he was treated by Faramir and his band, whereas in the book, he was planning to lead them to their deaths from the beginning.

You didn't touch on a detail on the death of the Witch King of Angmar. The reason Eowyn was able to kill him is because Merry stabbed him in the leg with an enchanted Barrow-blade, which he got way back in Fellowship when the Hobbits were saved from the Barrow Wight by Tom Bombadil. In the movie, Tom Bombadil and the barrow wight were cut, so Merry never carried the enchanted blade that could break the spell that gave the Witch King his near-immortality, and he just stabbed him with a normal sword. It also adds a little more irony to the "no man can kill me" thing, since man refers to both the gender and the race of humans, and the Witch King was felled by a woman (not the gender of "man") and a hobbit (not the race of "man")

the battle of pelennor fields was awesome in the book. Theoden showed his strength as a king, blew his horn with so much power that it broke, and he and his riders sang as they slew everyone.

Thank you for making these. I watched them when you first put them out, and now I watch them every time I watch through the movies (which is every 3-4 months) and yes, I watch the extended editions. 12 1/2 hours of middle-earth goodness

Please do What's the Difference - The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy

@rmsgrey

7 жыл бұрын

But comparing which versions? Radio, book, TV, movie, computer game...

@pizzagrenade

7 жыл бұрын

The movie version with Martin Freeman and Mos Def compared to the book it was based on.

@rmsgrey

7 жыл бұрын

I thought the movie was based on DNA's script, which drew on the original radio version as much as anything else...

@pizzagrenade

7 жыл бұрын

rmsgrey well, whichever its actually based on. I still would love to see the difference.

@jasonblalock4429

7 жыл бұрын

DNA always steadfastly maintained that every product with the HHGTTG name on it is in a separate continuity and that there's no point trying to reconcile them. They might have elements in common, but the radio series is not the TV show is not the game is not the movie, etc.

I'd also add that the movie doesn't explain why Eowyn was able to kill the Witch King, it's not because she's not a man, but because Merry's already stabbed him in the leg with the blade Aragorn had given him on Wheathertop, that is one of the only things that could hurt a Nazgul ! :D

@madamwinnifer4666

7 жыл бұрын

Elsa Liébaut Yeah that was a peeve of mine. The movie seemed to treat it as an immunity clause while it was actually a prophecy.

@mingusboodle

7 жыл бұрын

... which is why Merry can't go to the gates of Mordor at the end.

@aleisterbroley900

7 жыл бұрын

It wasn't Galadriel's dagger that Merry used in either the book or the movie; it was, as said above, a blade of the men of Westernesse (see "Daggers of Westernesse" on the Tolkien Gateway website) -- given to him by Aragorn in the movie, by Tom Bombadil in the book.

@nickdentoom1173

7 жыл бұрын

Glorfindel messed up though, since technically he could have killed the Witch-King, since he is no man, but an Elf. Eowyn - a Woman Merry - A Hobbit (Thus technically not a man).

@Levelermakelevel

6 жыл бұрын

@Aleister Broley Not Bombadil. They found it in the cave of the barrow-wight.

One of the few times I liked a change was with the Mouth of Sauron, but that’s simply bc my family calls him “Smiley Guy” and that gives me nostalgia

The last book was so emotional for me. I saw the movies first and only just finished the books, and for the last 4-5 chapters I legit wept. It wasn't like sobbing, I wasn't making noises, but it wasn't just tearing up a bit either. I had many, many, many tears running down my cheeks onto the page, and almost couldn't read just from how blurry things got. Super surreal experience for me, as it was a first.

For Frodo

@KitchenSinkSoup

7 жыл бұрын

The Branded Alchemist And Sam!

@whoknows7968

7 жыл бұрын

No one cares about Sam

@KitchenSinkSoup

7 жыл бұрын

Matt Fahey Frodo would never have gotten far without Sam.

@whoknows7968

7 жыл бұрын

I know that but it actually surprising to me how no one in the Lord of the Rings cares about Sam. They are all saying "where's Frodo" and "for Frodo" no one says "And Sam too!" not even the other Hobbits

@mjbull5156

7 жыл бұрын

That is a class thing. Frodo is a wealthy gentleman of the Shire. Pippin and Merry are the sons of Shire aristocrats. Sam is just Frodo's manservant.

You forgot to mention Halbarad, Ghan-buri-Ghan, the guard who helped Gandalf save Faramir's life and the kid who became Pippin's friend in Gondor.

@scottbilger9294

5 жыл бұрын

The guard would be Beregond and the kid, his son, Bergil.

The crowning of Aragorn in the movie is the most epic scene ever made ever. Period. You wouldn't even be able to convince me with a top 5.

One detail many forget is Gollum was willing to give up the ring and help Frodo. This was when Frodo rested and Gollum reconsidered his dark deeds. However Sam awoke, began his insults, and thus prompted Gollum to carry out his SHELOB plan. This detail, again, has been greatly overlooked.

Return of the King is hands down the greatest movie in history. Pure masterpiece.

@jcohasset23

6 жыл бұрын

Each person is entitled to their own opinion but for me Return of the King was a bit like The Dark Knight in that the movie just kept going on and on and by the end I just wanted it to finish since the credits had yet to role even 30 minutes after the climax of the movie. I personally liked The Two Towers better and felt it had better pacing, adaptation, and the music was superior. I've also always viewed RotK sweeping the Oscars more as an acknowledgement of how well the trilogy was done and because the first two movies had been edged out of everything but the technical awards. LotR is one of the better trilogies that's ever been done and certainly it was much better than The Hobbit trilogy.

@miked7295

6 жыл бұрын

I usually see LotR as one movie. But I think the Two Towers is the best. Fellowship the second best.

Return of The King... one of the best movie in history.

@woolsyzygy

7 жыл бұрын

I disagree. It's big budget special effects glued together with recycled movie cliches. Enjoyable to watch, but not a ground breaking tale like the books. Think "Titanic" and "Avatar". 7/10 at best.

@14DANESSJ

7 жыл бұрын

+woolsyzygy Your comment made me throw up.

@firefliesburntheworld

7 жыл бұрын

All those awards it won disagree with you

@HD_Simplicityy

7 жыл бұрын

A billion dollars at the box office and 11 Oscars disagree with you. And it doesn't matter of Avatar made 2.7 some odd billion dollars and won one or more Oscars....it was a complete rip off of Pocahontas with overrated CGI effects that make it look incredibly artificial, whereas Return of the King has arguably the greatest CGi effects ever put on screen. At least I think so.

@woolsyzygy

7 жыл бұрын

So "Kramer v Kramer" is better than "Apocalypse Now"? "Shakespeare in Love" is better than "Saving Private Ryan"? "Annie Hall" is better than "Star Wars"? (well, maybe, as far as a romance) The Academy isn't perfect. There are plenty of movies that garner a lot of popularity when they run, but recede when something else catches our eye. The "greatest movies of all time" stand the test of time because they have solid storytelling, not just special effects. I'm saying LotR's epic special effects will be outclassed one day and the storytelling is not enough to solidify it into film history because it's a lame reduction of the books.

One of the best and most touching moments in the movies for me was the crowning ceremony of aragorn/wedding of aragorn and arwen where aragorn and all the attendants bow in front of the hobbits. In th emovie version these two are compiled into a single event, but in the books aragorn is crowned on the gates of minas tirith before he enters the city, the crown is given from the recently appointed steward of gondor Faramir to Frodo who gives it to Gandalf who finally crowns Aragorn. Aragorn then asks the members of the fellowship to stick around for quite some time until arwen comes to town and they get finally marry. Oh and biggest things that bothered me while reading the book long after watching the movies was that in the books, the "kick ass ghost army" is relieved of duty right after Aragorn, the ´dú´né´dáí´n and the gang take over the fleet of ships with their help. The ghost army is gone then and there, poof. No epic turnaround of the battle in front of minas tirith. :-(

Just FYI. Tolkien himself said that either sam or Aragon were the actual heroes.

@peterlewerin4213

5 жыл бұрын

Tolkien wrote that Sam was the hero of in letters discussing the book. This was also confirmed by Christopher Tolkien.

@Stafarns

5 жыл бұрын

@@peterlewerin4213 but you can't elevate any one character to hero status all of the fellowship was a hero even Boromir if he didn't try and take the ring Frodo wouldn't have left the shores by himself Legolas without his amazing archery some of the company may have died Aragorn without him peering into the palentir Sauron thought that he had the ring not Frodo and he knew that he has a big challenge to beat Gimli he was an amazing fighter and he bet Legolas in the "who can kill more enemy's" by one while starting with a dis advantage Frodo held the ring for like 17 years Sam saved Frodo from starvation multiple times without him Frodo would've died in the mountains and gollum would have the ring Perigrin Took (Pippin) told Gandalf about how Denethor is burning his son alaive Meriadoc Brandybuck (Merry) helped help slay the witch king gandalf destroyed durin's bane saved Faramir from denethor saved the fellowship from durin's bane in moria

@peterlewerin4213

5 жыл бұрын

​@@Stafarns Being a hero in a fictional work isn't a question about who does what. The character that the story revolves around, the character through whose experiences we get to know the world and the events of the narrative, the character who makes the crucial choices and overcomes the crucial obstacles to resolve the main plot, the character that grows from feckless to dependable, who grows into something they couldn't have become without the narrative arc, *that's* the hero. In LotR, this character is Sam. But don't take my word for it. Tolkien wrote the books from the perspective that Sam was the hero, and explaining the hero role, he pointed out Sam.

@Stafarns

5 жыл бұрын

​@@peterlewerin4213 ok maybe i used the wrong word but people discredit the other characters and say if they weren't there it would be the same but no every character there has a purpose and always did

@peterlewerin4213

5 жыл бұрын

@@Stafarns sure.

What about Elrond's sons Elledan and Elrohir, who travel along with Aragorn from Dunharrow all the way to the Black Gates?

@timothyheimbach3260

7 жыл бұрын

The Stargazer plus the whole grey company.

@caliscribe

7 жыл бұрын

That's true -- it was Elrond's sons who brought word from their father for Aragorn to consider The Paths of the Dead.

@Underworlder5

7 жыл бұрын

was it not for LOTRO, i would never have known about elronds sons or the grey company

@TheLatiosnlatias02

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah Beregond and Bergil

@mehmeh2255

6 жыл бұрын

The Stargazer Elladan and Elrohir get snubbed in this miniseries as much as they do in the films, sorry.

I think one important point is missing here: The fact Mordor has many magical defense wards that ties to Sauron exile to East - - and the fact Sam is a badass who wears the ring and shows who is the boss without a flinch.

@Underworlder5

7 жыл бұрын

considering the fact that hobbits have an extreme resistance against temptation (due to the entire race only wanting a simple life), it makes sense that sam could easily give it up. bilbo had it until he grew old and he could still give it away willingly (albeit with some hesitation)

7 жыл бұрын

My point was comparing him to Frodo. He did not flinch or got freaked out. And he was wearing it inside Mordor.

@Enkabard

7 жыл бұрын

+Maicon Berté He didn't flinch because Frodo carried the ring infinitely longer than Sam, he had to carry it thousands of miles through entire middle earth (and Frodo in books was more stronger and restrained than in movies)

7 жыл бұрын

On his neck. When he used his willpower always gave space for Him to seek his presence. Sam. wears. it. inside. fucking. Mordor.

@mjbull5156

7 жыл бұрын

In the book Frodo has also been the Ringbearer for 17 years already. Sam had only had it for a couple of hours at the most.

You are wrong with the Army of The Dead. In the books they just scare the Umbars that were working with Sauron and that were supposed to join Sauron army at Gondor. This lets Aragorn and remaining HUMAN allies in this provinces to arrive as backup at Gondor. So it were humans not undead terminators.

@TheLatiosnlatias02

6 жыл бұрын

I still find the ghosts are effective in annihilating the armies of Mordor

@bigbengamer

5 жыл бұрын

@The Only True Witch-King Right? It was such an easy out.

@DeadManSinging1

3 жыл бұрын

They litterally say this in the video

Also according to the books to Narsil/Anduril is an Arming Sword or Ulfberht type sword rather than a Longsword as depicted in the movie.

i guess you cant cover everything, but i would have liked to hear you speak about the people of the forest, who lead the rohirrim to pelennor

@rageagainstmyhatchet

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, pretty big omission, considering over half a chapter is just about them... It also explains that Sauron had obviously considered that Rohan might send reinforcements and had blocked them... But he didn't know about the secret murdering woodland people helping them.

@konradplatt3833

6 жыл бұрын

that would have been at least an hour long video. whenever they say "basically the same". Like Sam and Frodo where 'enslaved ontheir way too Orodruin which showes that even the orcs a just some poor enslaved creatures and not just evil.

Yaaaaay finally the third episode......

I've never read the books and only saw the movies once each in theaters. Needless to say I would be completely lost without you, cinefix. Thanks

I loved the return of the king movie but The one thing that bugged me the most in this movie compared to the books is Aragorns trip through the caves to recruit the army of the dead. The movie could have shown the rangers and had real men fighting along side aragorn in the battle but instead the movie gave us a group of bad cg ghost. Also I think elronds sons showed up with the rangers in the books.

@smartpotato1910

4 жыл бұрын

Well if you ask me just using the dead army to scare off bad guys and take the boats and men was with all due respect dumb for a character like aragorn who must muster anything he has got for the battle he shouldn't have freed the ghost army in my opinion he should have ordered them to battle

i can't remember if you guys have already brought it up in the previous episodes, but there's a small yet interesting difference regarding saruman not being "the white", but rather "saruman of many colours" all throughout the trilogy. i completely understand why we don't see rainbow-coloured christopher lee in the films, and i'm not really sure about the purpose of the flamboyant change of style within the narrative... perhaps it signified his loss of self, clarity or something or other... a sign of hubris?

@rageagainstmyhatchet

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's an interesting one; I mean, it's not rainbow coloured, so much as all colours at once, blurring and changing. My guess is that it is meant to show his hubris, yes, and that he has evolved past his "simple" origins and dedicated his mind to "changing" nature, or the natural way of things. Gandalf says "He who brakes a thing to find out what it is has truly left the path of wisdom", telling us Tolkein's view on those who tare apart the countryside/nature to "improve it"... One of the three principle themes in the narrative was "Don't ruin nature and the natural way of things for your own personal gain" and Saruman destroying his White (pure) robes was an early example of this. The industrialisation of the Shire is also an example and is meant to directly reference Tolkein's hatred of the "progress" which had destroyed his childhood countryside and turned it into suburban Birmingham.

@rageagainstmyhatchet

7 жыл бұрын

Remember that both Saruman and Sauron were originally students of Aule, the God of "making things(?)", who made the dwarfs etc. - Perhaps this was intentional, to show that they both, when left to their own devices, were corrupted by a desire to "change/improve" things.

@jasonblalock4429

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it just represented his hubris and lust for power beyond that which he'd already been granted. I'm sure something about 'rejecting the purity of whiteness' could come into play there too, given early-20th Century ideas about color symbolism. It was the act that showed he'd truly gone off the proper path, and set up Gandalf to be 'promoted' to being The White later on.

@Carnyx72

6 жыл бұрын

I've always thought it was more to do with him being deceitful. If you see every colour at once, you get white. Everyone assumed that Saruman was the white, and perhaps he once was, however Gandalf's eyes were opend when he realised what Saruman was up to, and saw that it was in fact not white, but a Smörgåsbord of colours which resembled white. This showed Saruman's deceit, which is also annalogus to Grima's poisoning of Theoden.

@acrefray

6 жыл бұрын

Also if you pay attention, the wars showed classic war versus industrialised war. Catapults versus trebuchets. Mass production versus individually crafted armour and weapons. Crossbows versus longbows. Somewhere in the writing Tolkien wrote in the effects of WWI and how it changed the nature of warfare.

Most of them are accurate. But you messed up on one part though: The beacons weren't lit before Rohan went to war. The beacons were lit so vassals/lords of Gondor would prepare for war and to sent men to Minas Tirith. Rohan went to war because of the Red Arrow.

@Stafarns

5 жыл бұрын

and the same for rohan so i believe

Another small but fairly significant difference is that Rose Cotton wasn't a barmaid at The Green Dragon; she was the daughter of Tom Cotton, a Bywater farmer and Sam had been courting her for quite some time. Also, Sam and Frodo rode alone to the Grey Havens, joining a caravan of elves (not just Elrond and Galadriel but many other High Elves) and Bilbo. Merry and Pippin rode up at the last minute after hearing from Gandalf so that Sam wouldn't have to ride home alone.

Another difference is that when Merry and Pippin were with Treebeard they drank this potion that made them grow a few inches.

I'm so glad the movies didn't spoil the shire with it being overrun in the books. The shire is untouched in the movies, thankfully

@HerrRoehrich

7 жыл бұрын

Great... totally negating the entire point of the books, "that none may live as they have lived" because the world changes, and that the little people have to get off their asses to defend their own part of the world for themselves and not rely on others to do it for them. The movie turned the hobbits into Mary Sues.

Doesn't matter, Aragorn's a fucking badass!

@TheLatiosnlatias02

7 жыл бұрын

I like Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli. They are badass

The death of Gollum. In the dead marshes Gollum offers to carry the ring to help "nice Master". Frodo responds, while clutching the ring, with a statement like, If you ever take the ring you will be thrown into the cracks of doom. A curse backed up by the power of the ring that comes true while Gollum does his celebration dance. So the ring helped to destroy itself.

One of my favorite details from the book is when Sam is ascending the tower with the Ring to rescue Frodo and an orc, seeing his shadow and sensing the Ring's power, freaks out, thinking some Elven warrior is coming to kick its ass-something that we do see in the movie, just without that peek into the orc's mind, for obvious reasons.

I love that Saruman is BBC's Merlin. xD

Why is there no mention of Ghân-buri-Ghân and his tribe of orc-slaying Drúedain? He's basically the reason why Rohan make it to the battle in time as he shows them the way to Minas Tirith through the forest. A key character in the book who isn't in the films, probably because he'd be seen as a non-PC stereotype (even though he's awesome).

@MrChickennugget360

7 жыл бұрын

i don't think that is why he isn't in the books. He is important to the plot but since the Rohan don't have many scenes between their departure and arrival he would take up to much time.

@nickdentoom1173

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah... it would have taken up to much time (Just like the arrival of Halbarad and the great 32, with Arwens standard with the White Tree on it). Same reason Beregond and Prince Imrahil didn't appear.

@TheMunzie

6 жыл бұрын

Gruffydd ap Cynan i

@dustine7041

6 жыл бұрын

Can't expect him to cover everything..

@jessebrown1996

6 жыл бұрын

Out of all the character in the LOTR books that weren't in the movies that's the one who you think is a key character and is awesome?

The endings could have gone even longer. The Appendices in the back of the book have further details about what happened to the various characters. Gimli founded a dwarf colony in the glittering caves and later traveling to Valinor with Legolas in a grey ship. Sam served several terms as mayor of Hobbiton and actually eventually ended up leaving Middle Earth on a ship as well (he was accorded the honor of being a ring bearer if only for so short a time). Pippin served as Thain of The Shire for 50 years, Merry became Master of Buckland, but both eventually left their offices to their children and went back to visit Rohan and stayed with Eomer until he died of old age, then they traveled to Gondor, and lived out the end of their days there and were buried in the Hallows of Minas Tirith, and placed alongside Aragorn when he finally died. Also, the entire love story between Aragorn and Arwen is recounted in the appendices, not the main book, all of it happened before the main book took place.

We all watched the movies(most of us at least twice)! you don't need to explain the movie just tells the difference!! Good Job BTW thanks alot

Okay, don't mention Beregond. He's only the most bad ass secondary character!

@dearmalaysia

4 жыл бұрын

Ah, my respects paid to Beregond.

the tower sarumans corpse drops from is not "Isengard", its the Orthanc (im not sure about the english spelling). Isengard is the whole fortress.

i tried to be as christopher lee as possible, and read the books once a year, but i did it for 3 years only... Now, thanks to you, I need to read (and watch) it again =D

Another diversion from the book- (since you're including the extended edition of the film)- Is Gandalf's confrontation with the Witch-King. The scene takes place in the book as well, however in the movie, The Witch-King blasts Gandalf from his horse, breaking his staff. In the book, the Witch-King wasn't anywhere *near* as strong as Gandalf. There was only one being in all of middle-earth stronger than Gandalf the White: Sauron. "I galloped to Weathertop like a gale and i reached it before my second day from Bree.. and they were there before me. They drew away from me, for they felt the coming of my anger and they dared not face it while the sun was in the sky."

The only thing I would have liked to have seen in this video is, in Return of the King, the book reveals that Gandalf was the 3rd bearer of the Elvish rings along with Elrond and Galadriel. Truly an eye-opener for me.

I know there are huge differences, I really enjoy both versions, I don’t think movies should follow books to the letter, movies are like fan fiction to me. Lol

@Stafarns

5 жыл бұрын

no it shouldn't 1. would take to long like 8 hours each 2. some stuff is not even needed in the books 3. too much money way too much 4. no one would like it too long in one setting no one wants something that they already watched in the books

@dylanwatts1045

4 жыл бұрын

Huh. I never thought of it that way, but you’re totally right lol

That healing hands thing is actually traditional English folklore about the hands of the king being blessed to heal some disease.

My favorite part of the LOTR books was the Shire Rebellion. When the movies came out, I saw how they were trying to push the hobbit characters into more action roles in the early movies, and I thought "they're doing this to set up the Shire Rebellion in the final movie". Nope. It's one of my two regrets for the movies. The other regret involves the differences between the men of Gondor and the Rohirrim. In the books, the Gondor soldiers seemed a bit stronger and more noble, more able to weather the physical and psychological attacks of the enemy. In the movies, they were reduced to cowering wretches in shiny plate mail. All that leached-off nobility seemed to be given to the Rohirrim. Not sure if it was to make the two nations' peoples seem more equal or what, but it was very blatant to me.

@TallisKeeton

7 жыл бұрын

BEfore the nazguls all warriors in the books were cowering wretches :)