If the MCU is in a time loop, who will finally break it?

@KFP_Fanboy

2 жыл бұрын

your mom

@dinoricky5188

2 жыл бұрын

Your first congratulations 🎉🍾🎈🎊

@brucelau2023

2 жыл бұрын

most likely Doctor Strange could be , i have an inkling or possibility

@RomaneAllen

2 жыл бұрын

idk but it sure as heck won't be ant man and the wasp

@hamdinger7145

2 жыл бұрын

Doug

I remember watching iron man when it released, i would've NEVER thought that a silly movie about a comic book robot guy would go so far and deliver such amount of entertainment and mind fuckery

@Heavytripss

2 жыл бұрын

Thats Marvel babyyyyy ! , there’s so much stories to choose from .

@SophiaAphrodite

2 жыл бұрын

Directed by a guy who played minor roles most of his career, starring a washed up actor from the 80's.

@heresjohnny4836

2 жыл бұрын

turning movie stars into movie mega super stars basically overnight

@comewatchmediealot

2 жыл бұрын

I knew the possibility of it all but didn’t think it would ever be excepted by mainstream audiences but then cap told hulk to smash and I knew that marvel had done it. From then on they had to teach people about time travel and time lines now they are trying to teach our pre history. Waking up the human race one film at a time.

@zlotywest860

2 жыл бұрын

@@comewatchmediealot just the Right People writting the right stuff and picking the best things out of the comics while leaving other details out. This is the future of movies. Bound together with tv series and even comic versions of movies. Love it.

Theory: What if the Nexus event on Lamentis wasn't Loki and Sylvie making a connection, but rather that Loki and Sylvie were going to perish which meant they would have never reached Kang to help break out of this time loop

@boenrobot

2 жыл бұрын

^ This

@cariopi9883

2 жыл бұрын

they went there and still didnt break timeloop right?

@WoppoOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

@@cariopi9883 not technically as Kang is still leading the TVA, but now that Loki has all this knowledge with the TVA essentially being reset, it could be the beginning of them breaking the loop

@Daniel.RF.Davidson

2 жыл бұрын

This kind of thinking is precisely what kills brain cells. LOL! I love it, but REALLY it's way too smart for the premise of the show, I think. I mean... If that was really the case (which is AWESOME btw, congrats) I think Kang himself would've revealed it. It would've been a BLAST! Brilliant thinking. However... The show has already told us what it was... "love"...

@swiftgarcia7

2 жыл бұрын

This was my first thought the moment the episode aired. The nexus event is they’re not supposed to die. Idk why this isn’t the prevailing theory, it makes the most sense

MCU is fucking crazy and smart Now I need to be alive for the next 20 years to witness all happenings.

@krishna.d.w8411

2 жыл бұрын

Nahh man u need more than just 20 years because this just implying that marvel is always and never will stop expanding

@unopdr

2 жыл бұрын

@@krishna.d.w8411 for all time

@krishna.d.w8411

2 жыл бұрын

@@unopdr right on

@couldbahappychic1217

2 жыл бұрын

Ent... Something to live for yes

@bloop9288

2 жыл бұрын

@@unopdr always

Loki season 2 will be a 9 hour dialog-free “fly-in-room”-esque art piece of Mobius riding a jet ski in his past life

@Generalindifference

2 жыл бұрын

I'm in 😂gotta have a slow mo wow tho

@circamagoo

2 жыл бұрын

@@Generalindifference super slow mo. like a full episode

@calebcrain5086

2 жыл бұрын

He need to come up close to shore and spray some kid with the jet ski and go "Kachow!" Too

@dr1b889

2 жыл бұрын

pp

@tonygabagool

Жыл бұрын

Where they correct the pronunciation of Alioth

"Eons ago... a variant of me lived in the 31st century." Even Kang's version of "once upon a time" is a mindfuck lol. That the 31st century was "Eons ago" to him made me think lol.

@joshualamotte2696

2 жыл бұрын

Right, if 31 Century Kane died, where is 21st Century Kane?

@ericbay70

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshualamotte2696 the point is Kangs 31st century is like our 1500s….meaning Kang likely lives in like the 61st century

@kfalco

2 жыл бұрын

Yea. I was like....how is the 31st century eons ago, when the events of Loki in episode 1 started in 2012. And Loki doesn't take place in the quantum realm (questionable) but could have happened hundreds of years in the future with the TVA, according to the MCU timeline.

@Jfitch24

2 жыл бұрын

@@kfalco I think tva is located In the quantum realm

@truek1ng7

2 жыл бұрын

@@kfalco the kang in the episode is actually immortus which is Kangs more powerful future self, pretty sure he travelled back in time to create the tva at the beginning of time hence why he’s so old

This brings a new perspective to the sound of Tony making the Iron Man suit at the end of Engame's credits.

@byherndon9981

2 жыл бұрын

Whoa 🤯

@Anshays1

2 жыл бұрын

u have the biggest brain in the world BROOOO WTFFFFF U R INSANEEE

@burton7767

2 жыл бұрын

OMG YEAHH😳

@imadude85

2 жыл бұрын

Elaborate please. I don't understand.

@lesi5729

2 жыл бұрын

??

I have a strong feeling that this new era of the MCU will end with Loki taking the place of He Who Remains in order to give MCU Nathaniel Richards (assuming that MCU Kang is Nathaniel) a normal life. It would be a fitting end for Loki’s character arc of learning to be more selfless and less malicious.

When Mobius asks Renslayer, "where are you going?" She answers, "In search of free will!" She is basically saying in search of KANG!!!

@EricEsenwine

2 жыл бұрын

ding ding I also think she is the reason Kang is in the TVA and not Immortus/He Who Remains.

@HighwayUK

2 жыл бұрын

or shes been ordered to protect and assist Loki when he was thrown to the new loop

@sureshmakwana8709

2 жыл бұрын

19:18 how can past be changed in MCU time travel rules??? We know it very well from Banner, The ancient world, Loki series that no events change the past but they cause a branch reality leaving it's original version as it is in the form of sacred timeline

@sureshmakwana8709

2 жыл бұрын

Yes cause she had said earlier that "only the one incharge has free will" so here she would be meaning that this free will is the one who's incharge who's Kang

@itsboyaknow

2 жыл бұрын

Or she's saying she's going to take over. She says the only person who has free will is the one in charge and she's searching for free will so she is searching for a way to become the ONE in charge.

My theory is that the "threshold" they crossed, when Kang no longer knew what would happen, was the point he was killed in the previous loop. So every time Kang "glitched" when Sylvie tried to kill him was the "threshold" of a previous loop. So next time Kang lives through the loop his new "threshold" will be the point in time where we saw Sylvie kill him in the show.

@FINOFOREVERR

2 жыл бұрын

Oooo that’s good 🔥

@Sarabheswaran7010

2 жыл бұрын

Can u elaborate even more

@oatlord

2 жыл бұрын

Ver gut

@zackmyers4386

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sarabheswaran7010 so Kang says he's lived a million lifetimes and he tells Sylvie that if she kills him he'll just do it all over again, and once she kills him he says "see you soon". So, my theory is that each lifetime he lives, he lives a little bit longer than the previous lifetime. We saw this in the show when he says "there's the threshold." So, Kang know everything that happens up to the threshold because he has lived it before. This is why he was able to avoid Sylvie killing him. Everytime he "glitched" to avoid Sylvie killing him was a point in a previous lifetime where he was killed. It was a previous threshold. So in his next lifetime, Kang will avoid being killed in the way he was killed during the show because that will be his new threshold, the point at which he no longer knows what will happen.

@PunxTV123

2 жыл бұрын

@@zackmyers4386 ahhh it means he now understand how he killed on his old variants, then this time it will be evil kang… its just same on thanos, where he knows how they cut his head and thats why he is angry on endgame now…but the difference is kang dont have power, he just learn and learn from the other variant. am i right?

I think alot of people are not seeing how sinister and scary this season was. Think about this, everything that happened to Sylvie from her being arrested, escaping, dying her hair, living in apocalypse places, killing TVA agents, etc. etc. everything was already written and she thought it was free will.

@doma3554

2 жыл бұрын

We can include all the atrocities that we know about here on Earth. All the wars, all the murders, raping and pillaging, abuse, etc. It was all predestined. Even us typing these comments now, is predestined.

@Ragnadave

2 жыл бұрын

So Sylvie was all along in a plan to give "Free will" to the people when actually she was just being used from the start, That's crazy i love it.

@Koza6969

2 жыл бұрын

If everything, so does people she interacted with, because that was planned too. So Loki too, since him too so does people he interacted with, so Thor and Avengers too. No one has free will at the end. Until now.

@whitedom2041

2 жыл бұрын

@@doma3554 woah slow down thats marvel and this is real life lol

@arjavjain7229

2 жыл бұрын

@@whitedom2041 How do you know that you don't live in a comic book

Honestly I’m so happy how good Johnathan Majors is doing as this role, he fits so well and everyone has said good about him.

Fun fact: Loki has basically caused every big bad in the MCU. Loki is unknowningly this whole time the biggest big bad of them all.

@donkastle1459

2 жыл бұрын

In the words of Kang to lokis...I GAVE U THE PATH, U JUST WALKED THROUGH IT

@andrewjohnson6716

2 жыл бұрын

At the same time he also created the Avengers.

@NarwahlGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Loki is the Universe's mom. "I brought you into this world. I can take you out!"

@SophiaAphrodite

2 жыл бұрын

Red Skull? Evil Kang? Hel? Shall I go on?

@equatiks97

2 жыл бұрын

@@SophiaAphrodite red skull isn't a big bad, he fucked with odin which caused odin to leave and hela to come about, kang the conquerer was unleashed bc of sylvie (who is a loki) killed he who remains. ultron was made because of loki, etc etc

I agree. That is why the time line is in a circle. This reminded me of God of War where we see Jörmungandr which in Norse Mythology is one of Loki's children. The serpent that eats its own tail. That why he is so calm while talking to them he know what is going to happen until he doesn't and gets scared. Did get just see the end of the phase at the beginning?

@ignarmackadingdongjr.6345

2 жыл бұрын

You're a legend for correctly spelling Jrormomgandar

@AthenaLeApple

2 жыл бұрын

Ourbourus

@kadecoleman4104

2 жыл бұрын

I could’ve been the 69th like but I will give it to someone else. You’re welcome, I hope you appreciate it as much as I would 🙏🏻💪🏻✌🏻😂

@OtherL

2 жыл бұрын

You are more of a legend for referencing God of War instead of just saying Norse mythology

@monsieurpasta4922

2 жыл бұрын

You'd be fascinated that it's not only the norse who came up with the snake that eats itself. It's called the symbol of the ouroboros, been found in china, egypt, greece, mexico and many more ancient civillizations.

Jonathan Majors gets to have his Kang and eat it too. He can be a little wacky here but still do a totally different acting take on the main Kang that we meet later if he wants. Brilliant.

by far the most put together disney+ marvel show

@bern9642

2 жыл бұрын

They left the best for last

I like the theory that in MCU Kang is a decendant of Tony Stark. To me that is a link to what Ravenna said in the first episode of Loki, when Loki questioned the Avengers' time traveling being a nexus event, and she said that it was supposed to happen. I think why He Who Remains thinks so, is because Tony came up with a working time machine with the Pym particles. Without Thanos, without the snap none of the time traveling would have happened. Kang and his variants needed that to happen. I'd like to think that Kang is a decendant of Tony and similar to Tony figuring out his father's plans to the arc reactor and making that work, I think Kang might have had a similar journey diving into his ancestors work/secrets and that way discovering the parallel worlds and how to travel between universes and through time and this whole thing. Kang named Mobius Mobius because he found out from Tony's files that Möbius strip was the key for unraveling time travel. I think that for Kang, Thanos was crucial. No Thanos, no time travel

@mikehines9979

2 жыл бұрын

Immortus wrist tempad is very reminiscent of Tony's watch/hand blaster in civil war when they fight winter soldier

OMG… Kang got Bored and Hired the God of Mischief to spice things up…. “Not a good plan.”

@longinuscyclone213

2 жыл бұрын

like the old saying says when you play with fire dont be suprised if you get burnt

@Confron7a7ion7

2 жыл бұрын

Not just 1. He tried to hire 2 gods of Mischief.

The MCU is gonna reveal that our reality has been a part of their "What If" show this entire time.

@edwardlee8837

2 жыл бұрын

No we are still in the MCU we are in the kang saga

@jonnysupreme

2 жыл бұрын

MCM*

@eggthefrog948

2 жыл бұрын

If multiverses do exist, then theres probably Avengers in one of those multiverses

@skooney2883

2 жыл бұрын

That would be cool if avengers link up with another group of avengers

@cariopi9883

2 жыл бұрын

maybe god is just like kang sitting on a throne and protecting the time

Wait, Cap totally deviated from the timeline by staying with Peggy didn’t he? It just seems a little weird to say that Cap was SUPPOSED to stay in the past and create some sort of time paradox. I feel like Cap would’ve been hunted by the TVA as well

@venus9604

2 жыл бұрын

You know, you’re right, now I need answers

@justsomeguywithtattoos6267

2 жыл бұрын

That would be the case as well when they returned to the battle of New York, but the TVA said that it was part of the time-line,

@dlcc___x

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe it was necessary for the falcon to take the shield (hence continuing the sacred timeline) and therefore not considered a real deviation you know??

@dkworksdesign

2 жыл бұрын

In that case all avengers should have been caught by going back in time and snatching infinity stones from there

@alexanderhuber5789

2 жыл бұрын

From what I got, and I'm still so confused lol, those events wouldn't have caused a deviation in the timeline affecting Kang..maybe. Therefore those variations of the timeline were somehow neutral to Kang...Idk. I'm still confused on why time has to start over or why is it a loop..

"his journey allowed him to change" Which is beautiful, because one of Loki's big flaws for a long time was not changing

It definitely is under a loop. The sacred time-line was meant to evolve into chaos. Then Multiversal war. Then again good Kang(he who remains) will set everything right. The way miss minutes described the sacred time-line in ep 1 and how things went onto in last ep made it clear.

@zt2019

2 жыл бұрын

So this is part of what is ‘meant’ to happen, then eventually a kang will do the same thing and form another TVA to take control of the past?

@joeychopra7839

2 жыл бұрын

@@zt2019 he who remains ends the war by killing all his other variants and keeps the war at bay by pruning timelines that lead to Evil Kangs. Sylvie then kills HWR and then unleashes the multiversal war leading to then he who remains winning again and then cycle begins again

@winggamingzone8640

2 жыл бұрын

@@joeychopra7839 but HWR only borns in 31st century

@hbf995

2 жыл бұрын

What is the meaning of repeating over and over again? Maybe Avengers could kill all variants of Kang to break the loop?

@Dark-ki7lf

2 жыл бұрын

@@hbf995 why will avengers kill good variants at all? He who remains variant will help avengers get rid of the Conquerer variant. Hence its in a loop. Also, its will bring good closure to the MCU on whole. The next phases may be just about events that lead upto Multiverse War and its end.. At last, it will put MCU in loop. So finally bringing the entire circle.

Every time he dodged silvy he died before

@sandeeplamay2412

2 жыл бұрын

Like, Edge of tomorrow.

@varunsathya1912

2 жыл бұрын

"silvy"

@razzy6728

2 жыл бұрын

Miss minutes filled him in through every iteration

@Confron7a7ion7

2 жыл бұрын

I really think this is the case. Though the circular time line clearly shows that everything is in a loop every loop must be slightly different simply due to Kang's existence and influence operating just outside of the timeline.

This is why Thanos said that he was inevitable, I feel like the Multiverse is going to bring him back

@gc0009

2 жыл бұрын

holly molly

@filipkolundzic731

2 жыл бұрын

that would honestly seem kind of lazy

@voidluv299

2 жыл бұрын

i mean technically we saw that there was another thanos in endgame so ya knkw

@koopailija

2 жыл бұрын

I believe Thanos served his purpose. His purpose for Kang was that he would force Tony Stark to invent a proper time traveling device. For Kang this would be crucial. I think that's why Avengers travelling through time wasn't a nexus event

@noobgy2211

2 жыл бұрын

@@koopailija wow

Mcu is in time loop. Go back to age of Ultron when tony is trying to get banner to put Jarvis into vision there is a throw away line where banner says "I'm in a time loop! This is where it all goes wrong!" That line has so much more meaning now

@loveyourchicken

2 жыл бұрын

Just meant they had tried it with ultron already.

Mobius told Loki "it happens again, and again, as it should" Suggesting it was a loop

@lightspark7820

2 жыл бұрын

I think he was just referring to the fact that time occurs as one repeated event.

Loki was definitely sent to an alternate timeline. In an earlier scene (@ 37:18), earlier to Mobius not knowing who Loki is, Mobius and Hunter B-15 are looking at the large tv screen showing all the branching timelines and you can see that Mobius is disheveled in appearance having just come back from the void. Mobius is disheveled because that's the timeline that Loki originally came from .

I absolutely loved the Loki finale. It blew open the future of the MCU. I'm now more excited than ever for Spiderman:No Way Home and Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness.

Here's my theory: In the avengers Infinity War we saw that Dr. Steven Strange just saw about 4 million possible outcomes and that they only win one battle which is in avengers endgame, the rest of the battles that Strange sees where actually from another Universes(MultiVerse) that happens in the final ep of Loki s1.(MultiVerse) still waiting for Dr.Strange 2.

@Tenshikichi1

2 жыл бұрын

I have a different theory. I think he did saw millions outcomes that doesn't involve the snap, but in every one of them, TVA comes and prunes that timeline. But you are also right, since they are from different multiverses and can happen after the they are opened.

@arjavjain7229

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tenshikichi1 i agree with you

@arjavjain7229

2 жыл бұрын

having just the good guys vs Thanos would not make any sense at all for the multiversal war

Not gonna lie.. when he said "stifling order or cataclysmic chaos" it all made sense lol

Loki was sent into the main MCU to replace the Loki who died to Warn the avengers and his brother

@koketsommekoa

2 жыл бұрын

When?

@mandeepkumarray9050

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, I didn't think but it sounds possible.

@Athenabadassinthearena

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly I have been wanting a Loki-Thor reunion the whole time (with a hug) and I want to believe this theory now.

My thoughts: Sylvie doesn’t have a nexus event. Kang just needed her to be set on such a strong path of revenge that nothing would deter her. That’s why Revonna doesn’t remember her event, because it didn’t happen. Sylvie was just a girl. By herself. No stones or anything around. If her existence was such an issue why not prune her when she was born?

@sufiapauzi3076

2 жыл бұрын

or maybe her nexus event was killing Kang? one thing i’m trying to understand is why did Sylvie mention that she was apart of the TVA before? i mean, HOW

@observer5615

2 жыл бұрын

@@sufiapauzi3076 when did she mentioned that?

Has anyone considered that Kang might not be the "benevolent dictator" he was portrait to be? If he actually wanted the balance to continue with Loki and Sylvie in charge... why was he trying to drive a wedge between them from the start? And this was still in a time when he knew what was happening, so his words were choosen beforehand. I think it was all premeditated, he might not be creating the future for him.. but for a variant of him, the only way a Kang could conquer the multiverse. Plus, he actually knew the Loki and Sylvies variants would exist, otherwise whe would not know when to avoid their attacks. Their 'nexus events' where not anomalies in the timeline, they were forced by Kang. We've never been told what Sylvies nexus event was, she night not even have had one, things just needed to happen this way, so Kang sent the TVA to her regardless.

@CrankyGrandma

2 жыл бұрын

Of course it was manipulated. He was in control. Even programming his temp pad to send Loki to another universe

@rathzo1800

2 жыл бұрын

Who is KHAN?

@toniodejimi3905

2 жыл бұрын

That’s what I was saying! I did not believe for a minute that he actually cared about the multiverse. He WANTED the multiverse to break in my opinion. He isn’t the stand up guy that everyone thinks he is. Honestly, i think Sylvie was in the right.

@macklinillustration

2 жыл бұрын

I was a little confused at what Sylvie's nexus was when she was a child playing in her room as it seemed so trivial. Then someone pointed out that she was playing make believe that she fighting along side the valkyrie, that she wanted to be one and that a Loki cannot stray from their dark path and be the hero.

@luiscesarvianagomes970

2 жыл бұрын

@@macklinillustration but that didnt happen yet. The normal Loki also always only wanted to be loved, he did not want to be the bad guy, but just the wanting never turned into a Nexus event

MCU Phase-4 is a complete mind fuck. Time travel, paradoxes, multiverse, quantum shenanigans and we're only on its first year. Come one Marvel, we only asked for Galactus! Don't wreck our brains out.

@wolverineiscool7161

2 жыл бұрын

No they have to! It's been great

@jamespruitt6718

2 жыл бұрын

Everybody seems to be on the multiverse trend now. It’s getting ridiculous and confusing lol.

@ironmage6105

2 жыл бұрын

I'm quite looking forward to having my brains wrecked

@Kal824

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamespruitt6718 *WARNING: Comment is longer than I had wish to make it. Read it if you only want to. Others might find it interesting. It's not confusing. It's scientific theory, or more like scientific imagination. Rick and Morty explains it best. So think of it like this. Your life moves forward in one direction. In this life, everyone 1 choice you make has 1 result, and each one leads to another, and then another, and then another... That's your path... A straight line from beginning to end. Now, for every 1 choice you make, the universe splits into another where you've made a different choice, leading to different results, but still moving forward in 1 direction IN that universe. For example: You decide to go to the store, and in this universe, this timeline, you walked on the right hand side of the sidewalk, and got to the store without any issues or delay. Normal store run, absolutely NOTHING interesting has happened. Maybe while you were walking, something occurred on the opposite side of the street that "would" affect your trip to the store. So, with this choice, already set into motion, the universe splits into one where you made a choice to walk on the opposite side of the street, and maybe that incident that occurred in that other universe occurs affecting your trip to the store. Now, in that universe, you now have to take a different path. Cross the street, turn back, now changing the course of where you were going, and who you would interact with. For every choice made in one universe, one timeline, a different one is made in another. So the reason why it's such a huge deal... a huge concept, is because it's not just "YOU" that exists in that universe making 1 choice... It's billions of people, making billions of choices, creating different realities, different possibilities. This also includes how humans, animals, and every living organism has evolved and grown. In the DC universe, Speedsters have the ability to change, or erase a timeline from existence by changing key moments in the timeline when they run back in time. If a moment in time is changed in the past from its FIRST initial action/outcome... If left that way, can cause a branch reality, where now the results from that choice have outcomes different than what was predetermined in that original timeline. But, that timeline can be erased from existence because the timeline is malleable. But, they have to ensure they got back to that EXACT moment precisely, in order to change or prevent change in order for those events to go back to normal in THAT timeline, preventing the universe from branching into a new one ever again. So with the MCU, they've chosen to use this to create the MCU's version of the multiverse. This is the ultimate opportunity to create stories and adventures that NEVER have to connect to the comics. They can borrow from source material to introduce a character, but, their path, and how they're story is told can be completely different (As if they haven't been doing that already, lol).

@hectorsanchez1377

2 жыл бұрын

Fans: “we want Galactus and Dr. Doom!” Marvel: “best we can do is a semester of quantum physics”

Meeting a character at the end if their life? How very River Song of them!😁

@brotherjustincrowe

2 жыл бұрын

Terry Gilliam and Ray Bradbury say hello

@cellokid5104

2 жыл бұрын

Yeh, the MCU is basically doctor who now

@paulparker5187

2 жыл бұрын

@@cellokid5104 just don’t timeless child us

@PlayaP69

2 жыл бұрын

"Hello, Sweetie."

Kang had that huge castle to himself. Personally I would’ve had a couple of renslayer variants to keep me company. If you catch my drift.

@elythegod

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 that one comment that I wasn’t expecting and didn’t know I needed to see

@donnyd6446

2 жыл бұрын

😉

@caramelcocoa234

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂

@SHADOW-zc8wb

2 жыл бұрын

miss minutes😏

@calebcrain5086

2 жыл бұрын

That's the ultimate booty call. My god.

If you look at the time line above the castle, it appears to be an actual loop. Although they don't show the entire loop, the way it arcs around the castle implies that the castle is literally sitting inside the time loop.

I might be mistaken but wasn't there a moment when He Who Remains says that two Loki's showing up was different implying that Loki starting the cycle over is part of what always happens, but this time there were two of them?

@merajmasuk

2 жыл бұрын

Then how could he show the script about there dialog accurately if things changed in this cycle?

@chaunceyhaworth4884

2 жыл бұрын

@@merajmasuk Like I said I might have been wrong, but my thought was that he has known that this cycle was different from the beginning.

@charlesjackson2512

2 жыл бұрын

The Oracle introduced Lpve in this cycle...

@EzriyanEfkar

2 жыл бұрын

or it could be that all of this happened because Loki teleported and fled with the space stone (tesseract) so that was what made the cycle different where Loki should have been captured by the Avengers in the New York incident at that time. So it could be that He Who Remain ‘s murder still happened in the origin timeline but in a different way (where there was only 1 Loki who came)

@spasgarnevski7029

2 жыл бұрын

he said he paved the way for them to get there though

You don't get to say you called the Kang twist. You zagged at the last moment and said that the man behind the curtain was going to be a Loki variant

@BlankBillions

2 жыл бұрын

this is true lol

@immanuela209

2 жыл бұрын

That doesn’t invalidate that he called it early on in the series though 😂

@aDivergentThinker

2 жыл бұрын

Did he also delete that video? Can’t seem to find it

@VALUST17

2 жыл бұрын

Yep.

@VALUST17

2 жыл бұрын

@@aDivergentThinker the video is still up. It’s called something like “LOKI: Why the big bad villain is actually SPOILER” and in it he argues rather well that a Loki is the villain.

maybe ravonna is also some kind of Kang variant herself. Funny how the multiversal war sort of started with different Kang's meeting up from different timelines, and now the time loop is restarting potentially and ravonna is literally going to meet that Kang or a Kang and share her knowledge

I'm so glad they didn't put him at just the end credit scene.

The simple fact that the tva changed shows that something changed in the loop somewhere along the way. Immortus did not end up in the castle at the end, this time it was Kang. Meaning something changed to make it so that Kang took control of the tva and not Immortus.

@irock1998ful

2 жыл бұрын

I guess whatever info miss minutes gave to rennslayer ended up in the hands of evil kang and he took over the tva and stopped immortus

@bern9642

2 жыл бұрын

I think each loop is slightly different. Let's say loop 1, loop 2, loop 3, onwards. So that's how time works. Loki could be in a new loop where things are slightly different.

@KyleMarcoTV

2 жыл бұрын

What if Kang the conqueror is just Immortus and will eventually rearrange TVA and make a time keepers 🤔

How wild would it have been if Stan Lee was able to play He Who Remains?

@Darkwolf523

2 жыл бұрын

No thank you. It would be wild but cinemasins would sin the hell out of him

@joshbrosh6626

2 жыл бұрын

@@Darkwolf523 eww cinemasins I laugh at them every time I love the guy who calls them out on their bullshit th3birdman 😂

@YohaNico

2 жыл бұрын

@@Darkwolf523 you mean the same channel that "sins" movies with random poop jokes, childish humor, pop culture references, etc instead of actual constructive criticism? No thanks to you too.

@WTDSChannel13News

2 жыл бұрын

Bruh that would have broke tha internet

@ontos8914

2 жыл бұрын

He'd be The One Above all not He Who Remains

Imagine if the “I’ll be right back here” is just a fourth wall break describing that he’s in a movie and once they end you rewatch in order🤔

I was reading about the Eternal Recurrence theory, the whole 'time is a circle' thing you were talking about. That basically Eternal Recurrence means 'that the universe and all existence and energy has been recurring, and will continue to recur, in a self-similar form an infinite number of times across infinite time or space.' which basically means EVERYTHING is a loop. That thinking from He Who Remains perspective, he fell into a loop when he discovered versions of himself in other universes and decided to collaborate with them. And even though he did the 'Great Emperor of China' thing where he killed off/ put away the other variants, there would still be versions of himself in other universes who would break out, cease control, make a huge multiverse mess, then a He Who Remain variant would come back, do the 'Great Emperor of China' thing again, and we'll be back to 1 timeline. He Who Remains foresaw this so that's why he's been trying to maintain a 'sacred timeline' but even he can't hold this up forever. But I'd like to think that He Who Remains knew the multiverse thing was going to happen anyway because he could see that Sylvie was so hellbent on killing him out of revenge that he knew it kind of was inevitable. Where at this point he's like 'let multiple universes burn where my variants are in charge, at least I get a break from policing this damn timeline just for a while' but like you said, the failsafe is Renslayer. Renslayer is to go back in time to make sure He Who Remains exists so that when the Multiverse war happens, He Who Remains doesn't get erased accidentally either by his other variants or by other folks and perhaps be by his side as well, cause, he is lonely and maybe she could take over policing the 'sacred timeline' while he can at least have his own life back and have fun. I mean, she seems to be enjoying this Fatalism thing too. Why didn't He Who Remains think about making Renslayer his aide even though she's been around for so long? It's because she was still happily working at the TVA and wasn't self aware. It was only until Sylvie came along, made Time Cop self aware, she discovers this, tries to hide this away, then discovers the Time Keepers are fake and has now become self aware but is conflicted because she's torn between self and duty. She honestly loves her job, her position and status and the ideal of Fatalism. She loves this order. So this is when He Who Remains pulls the 'Phantom of the Opera' which summons her to him. But like you said, Lokis are the agents of change, they make things happen but remain constant. But our Loki has broken his 'cycle' of a Loki and has become self aware and possibly in fact, the master of 2 worlds, he has now become a hero and a villain redeemed. Loki can make great change and still remain a constant in the timeline and I think he hopes he can do this with Sylvie as well.

"Have you also learned that secret from the river; that there is no such thing as time?" That the river is everywhere at the same time, at the source and at the mouth, at the waterfall, at the ferry, at the current, in the ocean and in the mountains, everywhere and that the present only exists for it, not the shadow of the past nor the shadow of the future." Herman Hesse , Siddhartha

@katearcher8514

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, this helps a lot!

@winggamingzone8640

2 жыл бұрын

@@katearcher8514 is this sarcasm😂

@katearcher8514

2 жыл бұрын

@@winggamingzone8640 it really isn't, why?

@winggamingzone8640

2 жыл бұрын

@@katearcher8514 oh i'm sorry😅 its just i got more confused after reading it

@TnAlphaJock

2 жыл бұрын

beautiful reminder of one of my favorite lines from this wonderful book

So what i believe happened at the end of Loki is that Sylvie accidentally put him in a new branch timeline in the past where another version of Kang took over before Loki met Mobius and B-15. At the beginning Mobius says that time works differently in the TVA he didn't say time is stopped. It's still moving. They even use words like eons when talking about how long they've known each other. Renslayer and Mobius. Kang sits outside of time, even outside of the TVA. This Kang I think actually was doing this for the right reasons and he didn't even want credit for it. Thats why he created the fake time keepers and all that.. Or he did it to hide out from any other possible versions of himself. The Kang thats ruling in the new past branch timeline does want all the credit thus the statue of himself hinting at possibly being a bad ruler.

@ammoposada4427

2 жыл бұрын

Kang wasn't sitting outside of time. He was at the end of time. You will understand soon,I think I need to make a video

This makes Thor's lecture to Loki about being the same and needed to grow and change all that more significant.

"I've seen it all." And I immediately thought of Sir Patrick Stewart and his role in "Extras".

He’s basically Jacob from LOST

Its funny this was my exact theory...it seemed like Immortus was baiting Sylvie...like he wanted her to kill him and lock in a time loop paradox..also maybe Ravona didn't do as she was supposed to and instead of helping Immortus helped Kang the conqueror which is why he was the one in charge of the TVA now

@HammarPwnsYourFace

2 жыл бұрын

That would explain why kang is the only statue at the tva when loki got yeet’d thru the door in ep6

@krcmaine

2 жыл бұрын

She says the only one with free will is the one who controls everything...and then she left to find free will. SO, is she going to the one who controls everything...or is she going out on her own to become the one who controls everything?

@ChrisSmith-tu9bu

2 жыл бұрын

@@krcmaine shes looking for the guy who controls everything

@3:00 Battlestar Galactica is such an underrated sci-fi series, but with such great writing, it was great to see a mention here!

Ah! This reminded me of River Song's introduction in Doctor Who! Her first ever episode is basically her death but it's The Doctor's first time meeting her.

Finally someone got it! This is just like Rick and Morty. This is already happened an infinite number of times. And it is no surprise since the head writer for Loki came from Rick and Morty

Calling Kang ahead of time wasn't a theory, it was literally a road built to lead everyone to that conclusion. You walked it. So did like 90% of the comic channels. The only twist is that they actually used Majors instead of just peeking him in the final after credits.

@Cheesusful

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, literally every channel covering loki... And every person watching it who'd heard of kang predicted kang... Or immortus... (one or 2 places suggested a loki variant... But then also said it was probably kang..)

@VivaLaBryy

2 жыл бұрын

Lol Marvel is He who remains then cz of his line “I paved the road. You just walked down it.”

9:50 I love how subtle he says it cause they don't, know but we do

I kind of wonder if Kane was stuck in a Time loop prison. He summoned the Loki's there to trick them into freeing him.

Loki, the hero(ine). Well played Feige Bros, well played indeed.

Dr strange is gonna carry phase 4

@deathstriker9076

2 жыл бұрын

He was always going to since there's no Tony and Steve. Plus T'Challa is sadly gone. Strange and Thor are the only leaders now. Captain Marvel is too meh.

@gc0009

2 жыл бұрын

​@@deathstriker9076 lemme guess, you are a man

@AM99884

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, I think it's gonna be either Doctor Strange or Scarlett Witch.

@deathstriker9076

2 жыл бұрын

@@gc0009 I'm a guy, but it has nothing to do with gender. Buffy, Fringe, Watchmen, and Nikita are my favorite shows. Wonder Woman should lead JL. Nice try though lol.

@gogicore

2 жыл бұрын

@@deathstriker9076 Wanda will be the key to everything

Ryan im so glad your digging into this timeline business and making new videos🙌🏾the Finale definately said a lot within the episode on whats the reality of the MCU is headed.

Another awesome video Ryan! Thank you for sharing!!!

Yeah because every time we rewatch the mcu made the time loop lol

Dr. Strange said there was only 1 way to win because the TVA stopped all other versions from working, that could be why there was so many infinity stones.

“All of this has happened before and will happen again”-Battlestar Galactica

@UnanimousDelivers

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone who watch that show had that in the back of their mind since this show started.

@neak9755

2 жыл бұрын

Oh frack!

I realized Sylvie told Loki "This isn't about you" and he learned to see beyond himself that there's a bigger picture. BUT Sylvie couldn't see beyond herself, was selfish and killed Kang. She learned nothing while Loki allowed himself to change and be a better person. Kang is like Loki, battling himself. All the Lokis who changed got pruned except Sylvie. A sign that she's incapable of personal growth

also look into the fact that tie wise wanda & vision line up perfectly with lokie on that last episode

@ammoposada4427

2 жыл бұрын

That's because WHEN they do it is important. Remember timeliness need to be intact to make sure one self will be created. Then after it passes a certain point they can go mad

@ammoposada4427

2 жыл бұрын

In other words after Avengers eff everything up its completed. (The loop) after endgame is open territory

why does the mcu being in a time loop make me feel… sad. i feel like it takes out some charm 😭

@akaChriss4L

2 жыл бұрын

Much like time travel takes away the weight of things like Tony Stark sacrificing his life.

@mrbacchus6127

2 жыл бұрын

Time travel chicanery always feels cheap.

@DavZeugme

2 жыл бұрын

Cheapens everything ATM. Nothing matters anymore, everything can be reversed somewhere else.

@panzrok8701

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavZeugme Why? That's also likely how our reality works. Everything has a cause.

@DavZeugme

2 жыл бұрын

@@panzrok8701 You can't reverse "everything" IRL. Someone dead stays dead for example. Now, switch timeline and et voila.

This video has been invaluable in helping me to understand just what the heck was happening in the Loki season finale. I’ll have to watch it again armed with more understanding.

Finally a video that makes sense of what happened in the finale ! Thank you kindly!!! And keep up the great work!!! Super like from me!!!!

In every loop beginning with when the timeline splitting all over the place and ending with Immortus getting killed one version of Nathaniel Richards ultimately wins out over all of the others by establishing the TVA to eliminate all other timelines where other variants versions of himself exist thus ending the multiverse war chaos.

The way to beat Kang - kill all the Renslayers. If she doesn't go back in time to arrest Sylvie, Sylvie never develops her resentment for the TVA and instead continues on in her timeline.

Awesome analysis, man.

Ulysees 31 voice over always pops into my head whenever the 31st century is mentioned.

This is why he wanted the both of them to run it Kang was loney

I think Kang's Sacred Timeline is also connected with the events we've seen in the MCU so far, namely that Scott Lang discovered the Quantum Realm and used it for time travel, Thanos is dead, and the people smart enough to stop him (Iron Man, Reed Richards, etc) are either dead or unknown in the timeline

i generally stay away from these types of videos, however glad i stuck this one out. also the handsome gentlemen at the end was a lovely surprise.

It's a great honour and bless to live in an era where people take on comic book story seriously and develop a life action movie/TV series out of it. Truly a great time

I saw somebody say that the scene with the Loki's and Kang is comparable to Adam and Eve meeting God for the first time. And just like Eve eating the forbidden fruit, Sylvie killed Kang and wrought chaos

@immanuela209

2 жыл бұрын

Holy shit that makes so much sense! Kang even eats an apple as he’s talking to them, which represents knowledge and wisdom (like the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil).

@charlesjackson2512

2 жыл бұрын

Remember Bill Murray in "Groundhog Day" pondered if he himself was God because he knew everything?

It’s totally possible that two versions of kang could be both villain and ally in the same film. Kang could wind up teaming up with future heroes to defeat another version of himself.

2:32 Damn It Cracked Me Badly

nice work!

You know if he was still among us, He-who-remains would have been the perfect role for Stan Lee, after all we've seen so many variants of him already and it would have been so incredibly meta

@ellie_olivia.

2 жыл бұрын

Among us

@_cent7

2 жыл бұрын

Sus

There should not be multiple TVA’s, just one. Because it is outside of time and the multiverse.

@frogoat

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. It should remain unaffected.

@markusbetts

2 жыл бұрын

True but in theory there could still be multiple pocket dimensions outside ours which would mean competing but simultaneous TVA's. I think its more likely that you are right and there is only one however, and this is the cycle it goes through, that it gets made with fake timekeepers, changes to Kang the conquerer ruled version, and then changes back to fake timekeepers at some point, etc etc.

@itsboyaknow

2 жыл бұрын

Nope it isn't outside of time, time just works differently in the TVA. Maybe it goes by alot slower but it is still moving forward. Kang sits outside of time and outside of the TVA. I believe that Loki was sent to a past branch timeline where a different Kang took over. He made it clear that they are able to access each others timelines and all that had to happen was Kang decided to take full credit and put statues up of himself instead of creating the time keepers and boom branch timeline and thats where Loki is.

@frogoat

2 жыл бұрын

@@itsboyaknow No, sorry but that's incorrect. The TVA exists in Null-Time Zone, literally outside of time. Ergo, there can be only one. It's outside the flow of time, can't branch as a result and therefore the version seen in the show techncially should be the same as the one seen in the comics.

@kellenhassell

2 жыл бұрын

@@frogoat we don’t know this…. We’ve assumed it, but hasn’t necessarily been established this way

Yes, yes, and yes. Thought the "sacred timeline" was to insure Kang's existence... made even more sense that was to prevent a War. Seems like a red herring to give kang the "rick" origin story tho.... but with the writers involved, makes sense.

Thank you Ryan

Sounds, like they need a Doctor! Doctor Doom!

@Soko_ovian

2 жыл бұрын

This is strange! Doctor Strange

You just called It. Deadpool referencing Kevin Feige as the true timelord in the future.

I liked the video the very instance I clicked it because of the thumbnail alone. It always feels nice when science(maybe not in actuality) inspired characters is central and above all in a story portrayed using one of the fruits of science(quantum physics enabled digital technology).

It was this channel that suggested/theorized Kang wouldbe the next big bad after Thanos. This was not long after endgame. Well done.

Guys Kang has always been around like god and has to ensure the success of himself discovering the multiverse

So technically speaking every movie from here on out will be a prequel 🤯🤯

I honestly really love that Loki has set up the fact that we can see BP2 and not have to go through a whole bunch of rewrites and recasts to explain away Chadwicks untimely death and that shuri or whoever was always the black panther in that timeline and chadwick’s performance can remain untarnished.

I loved, loved him. The slight madness was spot on

When you make 500 different theories & predictions on one topic, please don't say "we called this a while back guys"

@VALUST17

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I’m pretty sure I remember Screencrush making some strong arguments that the end villain would be another Loki…

@Fadaar

2 жыл бұрын

@@VALUST17 actually if you think about it, Sylvie killing He Who Remains kind of lands her the final villain role

@unf8able01

2 жыл бұрын

New rock stars made so many predictions,they basically named every person they could think of and then said "Yes we got it"😂😂.

@ryanoconnor8710

2 жыл бұрын

14,000,705 theories to be exact

@strawhatshinigami9190

2 жыл бұрын

Having multiple theories doesn't disqualify you from being able to say "I called it " . Whatever ends up right ,if u theorized it ,you called it . No one calls anything on their own anyway ,it's ALWAYS multiple ppl with the same theories .

At the end of the episode, Sylvie is left at the End of Time with Kang's special timepad thing. So, potentially she can do other things with it. At the end where Loki shows up in the alternate TVA, the statue of Kang reminded me of the statues of the Time Keepers (who were fake). Seemed like a possible foreshadow that that TVA was being run by someone using Kang's image as cover (perhaps Sylvie or Ravonna or maybe Miss Minutes) :)

I hope when the time comes for that next endgame level battle, they scoop up Immortus to be on the original timeline side of the fight. Like to help them figure out how to stop his variant. He seemed like a pretty good dude. Albeit a bit crazy.

I love just being able to watch this understanding it perfectly because I enjoy the time travel paradoxical situations

When Dr. Strange did his multimillion predictions in Infinity War, he inadvertently created multiversal branches, that each spawned a different Kang variant. The "multiversal war" is not a war between universes, its really the different Kangs trying to defeat each other and wipe each other out. This kind of catastrophic side effect is something Mordo foreshadowed in Dr. Strange 1. When Strange set the chain of events in motion at the end of Infinity War by surrendering the Time Stone, he basically picked which branch he wanted to follow. The fracturing and crazy side effects of this branching was explored further in Endgame when the ancient one pointed out that removing the Infinity stones from their home timeline would create more branches meant that the avengers slipping between timelines through the quantum realm was aggravating the future Kang problem further.

@katearcher8514

2 жыл бұрын

But.. but Cap returned them...?

@VespoLiveGaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@katearcher8514 yes but he probably returned them to a different branching reality then where they came from since he didn't seem to appear right as the stones were taken.

@katearcher8514

2 жыл бұрын

@@VespoLiveGaming wow, this makes so much sense.. My guess is somebody didn't think this through. The creators, I mean.

@Refridgerraptor

2 жыл бұрын

If it was an issue, wouldnt 'he who remains' have stopped it? I like the idea, and it brings Mordo's significance up massively. But Strange doing that and the avengers time travelling was supposedly apart of the sacred timeline. Though if theres any retcon im happy with thats it. Strange causing this mess inadvertently

@VespoLiveGaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@katearcher8514 yeah the problem I have is that there's no consistent to the way they've handled time and dimension/multiverse travel so a lot of theories can work. In general I don't think the creators have really been thinking everything through- mo4dos comments were probably just an offhand remark, and the ancient ones comment about branching timelines was probably a late insert to help set up Kang/phase 4, but isn't totally consistent with the rest of the time travel stuff

So if Ravonna didn’t “create” Kang again, wouldn’t that there break the cycle and cause the multiverse war to not happen or never stop the war from this logic? I don’t like that part of the theory. That implies Good Kang never really saves the timeline time and time again, he only saves it when a Nexus event happens and makes him specifically to end the war. So technically, Kang has no idea if he will be back or not then.

Great video, as always, man, I was wondering why Loki is in a different TVA and now everything makes sense!!! Thank for sharing all your knowledge!!!! greetings from México