Creationists always ridicule abiogenesis calling it 'making life out of a rock' but at the same time have no problem believing god made humans out of clay. Confusion of the highest order.

@martinsoukup562

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't that go the other way round as well?

@ProfezorSnayp

2 жыл бұрын

@@martinsoukup562 Well I don't believe life came from a rock. Rocks are mostly made from inorganic minerals while life is basically organic chemistry built around carbon, oxygen and hydrogen. So no, not even close to being the same thing.

@martinsoukup562

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProfezorSnayp I wasn't talking about you but about people like Mike.

@martinsoukup562

2 жыл бұрын

@Mike Seork you are literally doing what OP accuses creationists of.

@kissit012

2 жыл бұрын

And then another from the rib of the first. Then for whatever reason decided all the others will come from that one like every other animal, instead of just starting from that point.

How can anyone believe in abiogenesis when they can believe that God made a golem out of dust and breathed life into it? That's soooooo much more logical. I mean, I'm convinced.

@louiscyfer6944

2 жыл бұрын

that is still abiogenesis. something not living turns into something living.

@joulian

2 жыл бұрын

@@louiscyfer6944 well yes and no because the life came from the God that apparently had animating breath. Life came from the minty breath of the Lord and stuck to the dirt golem. So it's not abiogenesis. Or else you drinking water and eating salty food would also be abiogenesis, as water and salt are also not alive but later become a part of you (which counts as living)

@louiscyfer6944

2 жыл бұрын

@@joulian is god biological life?

@joulian

2 жыл бұрын

@@louiscyfer6944 Well according to the fairy tale God is "life" itself but I don't think it's defined as the modern definition of life. In any case it would be a case of "life (biological) coming from life (supernatural)".

@williamtarry4405

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget the myth that the Christian god "sacrificed" himself to himself to "save" humans from the rules that the Christian god created in the first place. Hollywood has no imagination compared to the Christian Bible.

So Gabriel has 7.7 billion examples of people being born from other people and no examples of one man being molded from dirt, then a woman being formed from one of his ribs? That's what I'm getting.

@antoniojones6256

2 жыл бұрын

Actually hundreds of billions of people, going back to the first hominids, and more than that before then.

@geezzerboy

2 жыл бұрын

AS of June 2022, we are Eight billion humans.

I like JMike as a host. He is a really smart yet humble guy. Of course I like Katy as a host too. She is also very sharp, and very understanding and is good at explaining things simply enough for people to understand. Well, people that are not brainwashed by some religion.

The only person making a presupposition here is the caller. They're presupposing that abiogenesis can't happen because they don't personally understand it.

Christ, I'm a minute in and I'm already shaking my head.

The patience of these two hosts is out of this world.

When I see a car, I assume it was made in a factory. But the first car wasn't made in a factory. Why is this so hard ?

I'd be more interested to know if he was going to apply the same skepticism toward his religious beliefs. If he's going to insist on all of the evidence for science, then why wouldn't he insist on exactly as much evidence for God? Of course, he doesn't because God is just a placeholder for his own ignorance and that's not something intelligent people do.

@soundcloutking303

2 жыл бұрын

@SPEIRS OMNHURST call in to the show. u won’t 👀

@jasonmyers1002

2 жыл бұрын

@SPEIRS OMNHURST You are completely ignorant of scientific facts and delusional. Do you know what Pangaea was? What is a phylogenetic tree? When did dinosaurs become extinct? When were the first humans present on earth? Do some research before replying to anything public. You are not a good example for homo sapiens.

@fredodonnell3323

2 жыл бұрын

@SPEIRS OMNHURST I'll venture that it's your GOD of the gaps! You use the same logic that man used when he couldn't explain lightning or anything else for that matter and so chose to give it the same name. The GOD that man made to explain away his ignorance

@martinsoukup562

2 жыл бұрын

@SPEIRS OMNHURST no need to be insulting.

@blarglemantheskeptic

2 жыл бұрын

@SPEIRS OMNHURST 👈 *Ladies and gentlemen, the troll called little NEPy* AKA SPEIRS ONMIHURST, Jimmy Jones, Jim Jones, God might say, DeLL BOY, Doctor Powers, Bouregard Hippel, thought giver, Bouregard Hipple (twice), Jenna Belk, Matt Dillahunty, and FactPlace, Ellenore George, MindCreatedAll, NeverEndingParty, GodCreatedMatter, Atheism Assassin, Dr James Powers, Doc Powers, DrJ P, Magical Chemical Daddy, and Carol Mosh, *Neutrino Expert, Bernard Goonting,* The Maverick and Carol Mosher.) He claims to be a 58 or 60 or 62 year old "retired doctor" who doesn't know jack shit about anatomy, a biblical scholar who can't answer questions about what is on page 1 of the Bible and that he has been defeating atheists for over 50 years (you do the math).

The art of arguing against something by doing everything in your power to misunderstand and misrepresent it.

no one knows the mind of god, except william lane craig and if you buy all of his books you can know it too. whenever i see a baby in a dumpster i assume god put it there.

@joulian

2 жыл бұрын

ahhh geez classical God prank, damn that God and his mysterious ways...

If I’m not mistaken, with those last two question he asked he was trying to say that the animals could fit on Noah’s ark if god crushed them down into a black hole.

I love that you are in two different places and yet you are both being loved by cats.

No matter how carefully you explain something to a close, minded, religious fanatic. It will never sink in because they’re just shut off from the possibility that they could be wrong.

I’m listening to JMike but watching the cat lol

So, basically: “I don’t understand therefore God”. This could have been dealt with in just a few seconds.

Babies come from adults having the special hugging time.

@bmoshareholderappleshareho855

Жыл бұрын

In other words, babies are a result of the sexual activity of their parents.

"Implicit empirical basis". That's a great phrase that Jmike uses.

All evidence for the expansion of the universe shows that the entire universe is rapidly moving away from us and if we reverse that process all evidence shows everything flying together but that doesn’t mean we can extend that beyond the point where all matter in the universe occupies the same spot. We have to contend with a beginning condition which is separate from the observable evolution of the universe.

Babies come from a beast with two backs 😆 🤣 😂

@hakureikura9052

2 жыл бұрын

the back-a-saurus?

Abiogenesis is something few people know anything about. Abiogenesis is the process of chemical reactions in a liquid building up carbon based molecules to a living cell.

@cy-one

2 жыл бұрын

Not really. Abiogenesis is a complete field of study. What you described is part of one specific hypothesis in that field of study.

@ecocentrichomestead6783

2 жыл бұрын

@@cy-one Oh for f#$k's sake! What's the other hypothesis, magic?

Was following this up to the point Katy’s cat turns up then you lost me ☺️. rule of KZread - cats are an instant distraction....just wanted to watch the cat and waited for it to come back 😀

@chriskelly3481

2 жыл бұрын

Bloody cats!

@barkYdarkATFB

2 жыл бұрын

Wth at 11:07 ? lol then she checked for blood 🩸

@alanthomson1227

2 жыл бұрын

Schrodingers missing cat just showed up

@barkYdarkATFB

2 жыл бұрын

@@alanthomson1227 was Schrödinger’s cat missing? Perhaps it is, perhaps it’s not

@ericmishima

2 жыл бұрын

Yup

Molecules with a Hydrophobic end and a hydrophilic end forms a double layer membrane when emersed in water. That is the cell membrane.

@peterockbx

2 жыл бұрын

If your referring to abiogenesis, Where did the molecules come from?

@ecocentrichomestead6783

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterockbx no. Somewhere in the clip jmike was talking about single cell organizisms. I thought one of the words he tried to use was hydrophillic. Has nothing to do, directly, with abiogenesis.

@peterockbx

2 жыл бұрын

@@ecocentrichomestead6783 Ok, got it

I’d watch that cat, seemly so nonchalant and entitled, getting hugs for the same time as this caller’s god argument and feel more satisfied.

The best part of the video is the Dark Funeral shirt.

Abiogenesis happened. The only thing theists disagree about is how it came about. At some point on our planet (and possibly in the universe) there were no self-replicating molecules. Scientific study has concluded that it probably came about naturally due to the right combination of conditions which resulted in some complex molecules being able to multiply. Theists have concluded that something even more complex invented life for its own amusement and self-gratification. Either way, life came from non-life.

Ok.. Mr No Gaps Gabriel

06:25 I'd like to clarify that all of the descendants of humans will always be humans in addition to whatever species they've become in the exact same way that we are still apes, monkeys, mammals, animals and eukaryotes. It's merely a folder placed inside a pre-existing folder. (there is a misconception that one day "we'll no longer be human". We won't look like this, but whatever genus and species, we'll still always be humans)

Just so you know: All of the earth's animals cannot fit onto an ark that has never been shown to have ever existed.

@LoveProWrestling

2 жыл бұрын

noahs family could not possibly feed and clean out the shit of that amount of animals. How many people work at a zoo with more space and less animals to care for?

@CsykKrit

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, you forget, Moses lived to the totally believable age of 900. He had the time to build a boat larger than an aircraft carrier out of wood, by hand, to store all the animals plus all their food sources.

@jns8393

2 жыл бұрын

@@LoveProWrestling Ah, but they had God's help :)

@bmoshareholderappleshareho855

Жыл бұрын

@@jns8393 do you believe in that Jonah and the whale story too?

@jns8393

Жыл бұрын

@@bmoshareholderappleshareho855 You must have missed the nuance. I was being facetious.

Love the cats guys!

Katy is amazing, edit: Jmike is amazing too.

If Gabriel believes what he claims, even he doesn't believe in a resurrection. If he is going to argue that life can never come from non-life, resurrection is impossible - life can never come from non-life

As soon as I hear the phrase ‘ in my opinion ‘ I but my BS protection helmet on.

He’s right, people (humans) only come from other humans or life. So humans have come from other life, which came from something else. So humans have come (indirectly) from something else.

Education, education, education!

My face hurts from face-palming

Apparently, Gabriel-(CAR), it wasn't "Q & A day" on Talk Heathen lmao

Gabriel was born...this way.

The prom night dumpster baby argument.

@whispersmith

Жыл бұрын

That old trope

Am I imagining things or did the cat jump from host to host?

Yay, Katy has a kitty. Not a profound statement, but definitely what I thought in the moment.

@dericanslum1696

2 жыл бұрын

...and crabs...

@derekallen4568

2 жыл бұрын

My mind went to the gutter as well.😂

@MagetaTheLionHeart

2 жыл бұрын

My mind didn't go to the gutter here, I just wanted to vocalize my love of cats. Look for other shit I say to prove gutter mind, should be easy as twat waffle.

hey JMike, do you have a public twitter page? I'd enjoy reading it.

Only the Sith deal in absolutes!

We should go back at least until we have a common ancestor between us and crustacea, because that would be a fun baby to see. Chordata I suppose? About five hundred MA I guess? Does anyone know?

Jedi don't deal in absolutes.

There’s X billion people on the planet therefore god and look at the trees.

Gabrierl sounds bajan.❤

Think of Abiogenesis using a Tree, or history of trees, instead of Humans as a starting point. In this way it seems easier for the human mind to believe that Trees, as we know of them today, could have come from non-trees, and before that, dirt and minerals.

Cat!

@MichaelDeHaven

2 жыл бұрын

The true gods!

I wonder if God is as a also intimately involved in the reproduction process of bacteria, too?

If I saw a baby crawling around a dumpster, I would immediately look for a stork with a broken wing having crash landed due to an overhead electric cable! Any sensible person would.

This is just sad…. Yeah my Ukrainian family still thinks all animals come from 2 animals on a boat lol and women were made out of a mans rib 6 thousand years ago or whatever

@kumulsfan8090

2 жыл бұрын

Amazing how a fairy tale from the Middle East destroyed Ukrainian culture (some of it)

@kumulsfan8090

2 жыл бұрын

@SPEIRS OMNHURST please stop copy and pasting the same old reply you got saved in your notes lol. It’s getting old now

@ajfet8165

2 жыл бұрын

@SPEIRS OMNHURST oh no angry lordy lordy troll is at it again!

@ProfezorSnayp

2 жыл бұрын

Ask your family if they believe Noah brought koalas to Australia himself or did they just swam there.

@blarglemantheskeptic

2 жыл бұрын

@@kumulsfan8090 I just report the firehose spam copypasta from him these days.

"When a mommy and daddy love one another very much..." So he didn't get this talk before now?

@bmoshareholderappleshareho855

Жыл бұрын

Every baby is a result of the sexual activity of its parents.

Kitty!

It all come down to adam and eve navels.? .😂😂

You just need to remember not use big words with simpler people. Theyre not equipped to deal with validities and fallacies.

@dericanslum1696

2 жыл бұрын

...agreed...talking over can lead to a frustrating and unproductive listen...

I think this caller has crawled out from behind a dumpster...that was behind a liquor store.

Yo could you guys stop interrupting your callers? I get that they're wrong and often making faulty premises but it took 19 minutes for you to be quiet long enough for him to make his point uninterrupted

This caller is completely lost and seems unwilling or unable to follow the discussion, so JMike powers forward with an explanation of stellar nucleosynthesis. Wtf?! I like JMike and he's clearly a well-read person, I just wish he was better at relating to people, especially these kinds of callers. Tbf, this vid is a couple years old, so maybe he's improved.

Gabriel I suggest you look at hominid evolution over that past 6million years or so. In fact 50,000 years age we know if at least five species of home is a living on this planet. The would be homo neaderthal, homo denivisian, homo erectus, homo florencis and homo sapiens. That's fact Gabriel.

Great call with a poor caller.

In fact we also.know homo sapiens bread with homo Neanderthal and homo denivisian..that's in the dna. We can prove that.

Not even High School introductory Science to his credit. Has no idea how 'things' work.

@neutrinoexpert825

2 жыл бұрын

lynette komidar, "Not even High School introductory Science to his credit." Atheist do not even have grade school science which is demonstrated by the way they deny the the testable-falsifiable scientific facts that demonstrate “incontrovertible” scientific evidence for the existence of God.

@lynettekomidar2819

2 жыл бұрын

@@neutrinoexpert825 I have three years Physics, Science and Biology. I do know how the sun, moon, planets were formed, This man has no idea at all, not even a basic understanding. Scientific facts that demonstrate 'incontrovertible' existence of an invisible thing, GROW UP!

@neutrinoexpert825

2 жыл бұрын

@@lynettekomidar2819 Said, "..I have three years Physics,.." Okay we are going to test that now. The following testable-falsifiable scientific facts demonstrate “incontrovertible” scientific evidence for the existence of God, where God is operationally defined as a "Higher Power" above and beyond all time and space or the Universe. 1. Man can't create a Neutrino from nothing or zero energy. This fact is demonstrated by the following equation: UT=Ui+W+QUT=Ui+W+Q which represents the maximum internal energy (UT) that could exist in any system required to create Neutrinos. 2. Neutrinos do not create themselves from nothing or zero energy. This fact is demonstrated by the following equation: ΔU=W+Q which represents the change (ΔU) in internal energy of the Neutrino and proves it does not have the power to create itself from nothing or zero energy. 3. Neutrinos are not eternal and will decay. In fact “Neutrinos are born in various decays, which is when a particle changes from one type into another." Neutrino Decay as an Explanation of Atmospheric Neutrino Observations V. Barger, J. G. Learned, S. Pakvasa, and T. J. Weiler Phys. Rev. Lett. 82, 2640 (1999) - Published 29 March 1999 This fact is demonstrated mathematically by various equations including but not limited to : (ν ̄e + p → e+ + n ) which proves at least one type of inverse beta decay. (Bethe and Peierls, 1934) and experimentally (Reines 1976). And (μ → e + ¯νe + νμ) which proves Muon-Neutrino decay. And by the fact that Neutrinos will reach a maximum state of Entropy like everything else in the universe, and experience a heat-death. 4. The lowest power detectable Neutrino particle required a "Higher Power" above and beyond the universe to be created. This fact is demonstrated in two parts. First, by the detection and measurement of the Lowest EPP (energies-per-particle) which is represented mathematically on a scale of ~100-200 meV. Where temperature is a measure of the average energy of particles ~1.95 K = CNB. The power level measurements are based on the cosmic microwave background temperature power spectrum. Second, by conservation laws which demonstrates the universe has the same amount of energy unless it’s added from the outside. Thus proving the final fact that the Lowest EPP Neutrino at the earliest beginning of the universe required a “Higher Power” above and beyond (outside the universe) to be created. Summary: The preceding testable-falsifiable scientific facts demonstrate “incontrovertible” scientific evidence for the existence of God, where God is operationally defined as a "Higher Power" above and beyond all time and space or the Universe. Therefore, while not a hypothesis or theories, the rules of the scientific method require the evidence to be falsified by citing or conducting repeatable, objective scientific test(s)/experiment(s) that falsify the data presented. Until such “falsification” the “incontrovertible” scientific evidence invalidates the Atheist belief/position there is no evidence for the existence of God.

@lynettekomidar2819

2 жыл бұрын

@@neutrinoexpert825 I did basic introductory level. Obviously you are a Scientist. btw I can cut and paste too, but I will leave that to you.

@fredbohm4728

2 жыл бұрын

@@neutrinoexpert825 None of what you post is evidence. It is all unproven, evidence-free, assertions allegations, and claims. There is no such thing as “incontrovertible” scientific evidence for the existence of God. Believing in a god is a religious belief and not a scientific fact. That is why religion requires "faith" as it has no evidence and neither do you.

Every single airplane on the planet today was built by people making aircraft from modern designs. Therefore all aircraft have modern designs and biwing airplanes never existed. Pretty much what he's saying by stating that 7.7 billion people came only from human parents

These two don't need callers - they just love hearing themselves. Took 18 minutes before the lad got through a single sentence.

@facundotorres175

Жыл бұрын

Thats his own inability to put a single coherent thought together.

@sparki9085

Жыл бұрын

Something tells me we watched different calls...

JMIKE, it is pronounced NUKE-LE-AR, not NUKE-U-LAR! ✌

I take exception to the title: there is no logical reason for believing in any god, especially in the absence of even a single shred of credible evidence for the existence of any such god.

@martinsoukup562

2 жыл бұрын

Ofc there are logical reasons to believe.

@antoniojones6256

2 жыл бұрын

@@martinsoukup562, Not one single logical reason; only transparent appeals to fallacious arguments that don't hold an ounce of water upon even the slightest of analytical scrutiny. The whole world has been waiting since the dawn of mankind for any logical rationale to justify belief in human superstition masquerading as sound religiosity. We're all still waiting...

@martinsoukup562

2 жыл бұрын

@@antoniojones6256 You really cant think of a single one?

@antoniojones6256

2 жыл бұрын

@@martinsoukup562, No one can, not even yourself - because there is no logical reason to believe in that for which there is no credible evidence upon which to base said belief. If you had what you think is a logical reason for such, you would have led with that allegedly logical reason right up front. But you didn't. Because you can't. Because there isn't any.

@blarglemantheskeptic

2 жыл бұрын

@@martinsoukup562 oh, please do tell!

Why do pictures/paintings depicting Adam and Eve have belly buttons? Just a random thought. They should be the only humans to not have a belly button.

Oh Gabriel. Sweet Gabriel... God of the gaps is boring. You're being boring. I don't think that YOU are boring, BUT....

Please go to school and take a damn science class!.

@neutrinoexpert825

2 жыл бұрын

Alex Cherisme "Please go to school and take a damn science class!" That's exactly how I feel about Atheists that deny the testable-falsifiable scientific facts that demonstrate “incontrovertible” scientific evidence for the existence of God.

@derekallen4568

2 жыл бұрын

@@neutrinoexpert825 magic?

@justifiabledoubt

2 жыл бұрын

@@neutrinoexpert825 name one "scientific fact" or just be silent.

@neutrinoexpert825

2 жыл бұрын

@@justifiabledoubt I'll do better than that. I will name four! The following testable-falsifiable scientific facts demonstrate “incontrovertible” scientific evidence for the existence of God, where God is operationally defined as a "Higher Power" above and beyond all time and space or the Universe. 1. Man can't create a Neutrino from nothing or zero energy. This fact is demonstrated by the following equation: UT=Ui+W+QUT=Ui+W+Q which represents the maximum internal energy (UT) that could exist in any system required to create Neutrinos. 2. Neutrinos do not create themselves from nothing or zero energy. This fact is demonstrated by the following equation: ΔU=W+Q which represents the change (ΔU) in internal energy of the Neutrino and proves it does not have the power to create itself from nothing or zero energy. 3. Neutrinos are not eternal and will decay. In fact “Neutrinos are born in various decays, which is when a particle changes from one type into another." Neutrino Decay as an Explanation of Atmospheric Neutrino Observations V. Barger, J. G. Learned, S. Pakvasa, and T. J. Weiler Phys. Rev. Lett. 82, 2640 (1999) - Published 29 March 1999 This fact is demonstrated mathematically by various equations including but not limited to : (ν ̄e + p → e+ + n ) which proves at least one type of inverse beta decay. (Bethe and Peierls, 1934) and experimentally (Reines 1976). And (μ → e + ¯νe + νμ) which proves Muon-Neutrino decay. And by the fact that Neutrinos will reach a maximum state of Entropy like everything else in the universe, and experience a heat-death. 4. The lowest power detectable Neutrino particle required a "Higher Power" above and beyond the universe to be created. This fact is demonstrated in two parts. First, by the detection and measurement of the Lowest EPP (energies-per-particle) which is represented mathematically on a scale of ~100-200 meV. Where temperature is a measure of the average energy of particles ~1.95 K = CNB. The power level measurements are based on the cosmic microwave background temperature power spectrum. Second, by conservation laws which demonstrates the universe has the same amount of energy unless it’s added from the outside. Thus proving the final fact that the Lowest EPP Neutrino at the earliest beginning of the universe required a “Higher Power” above and beyond (outside the universe) to be created. Summary: The preceding testable-falsifiable scientific facts demonstrate “incontrovertible” scientific evidence for the existence of God, where God is operationally defined as a "Higher Power" above and beyond all time and space or the Universe. Therefore, while not a hypothesis or theories, the rules of the scientific method require the evidence to be falsified by citing or conducting repeatable, objective scientific test(s)/experiment(s) that falsify the data presented. Until such “falsification” the “incontrovertible” scientific evidence invalidates the Atheist belief/position there is no evidence for the existence of God.

@fredbohm4728

2 жыл бұрын

@@neutrinoexpert825 None of what you post is evidence. It is all unproven, evidence-free, assertions allegations, and claims. There is no such thing as “incontrovertible” scientific evidence for the existence of God. Believing in a god is a religious belief and not a scientific fact. That is why religion requires "faith" as it has no evidence and neither do you.

Theist has a problem with presupposing, ok.

Babies making babies ,babies come from the mother portal in her belly see the cochy is a portal that we come out of that where babies come from or we can Recreate pig without a human face , .. See God is loving and caring God not a jealous God are selfishness God he is the highest king of the throne satan or Jesus Christ can't beat God either if he had one eyes open blink of a eyes too eyes 👀

Change presenters

It's weird to have to explain where babies come from to a grown man. It's a terrible foundation to place your entire argument for a god.

Have fun with today's religious troll "Neutrino Expert". As you can imagine, he's just an expert in nonsensical bs.

There is a non existent god who created jmike to look like jesus as a cruel joke to his own followers.

Atempting an intelligent answer to very stupud question.

Oh Gabriel, how embarrassing for you.

Lord. This is such a stupid argument. Gabriel, how much reading have you done on this topic? What textbooks have you looked at? What articles have you read? If you feel you have some alternative groundbreaking theory, GO GET IT PUBLISHED!!! FFS.

But what if the baby has a lemon drop in it's mouth. Didn't think of that, did you atheist.

JMIKE.......... stop hogging the show.... you motormouth is very frustrating. You need to allow the caller to dig his hole.

Only the sith deal in absolutes