This film is from an era when British engineering set high standards and was the envy of the world.

Hi , my name is Phil I did 50yrs on the footplate I started at edgeley shed on the 4th of April 1961 in 1962 I moved to Trafford Park shed as a fireman 1964 I moved back to edgeley I finished my time out at 9A as a driver Regard Phil.

@jamesanderton344

Жыл бұрын

Phil, did you work steam, or diesel in 1962?

@charliekilo8944

Жыл бұрын

Did diesels normally have firemen? Gen question lol

@BlackMan12331

Жыл бұрын

Did you ever drive or hear the sound of a class 28 Metro Vick

@t3chb0y67

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesanderton344 on nuclear

When you are born and bred in England, it's easy to see the demise of the railway. But when you then move to another country, as I have, it is STILL something to be proud of. Railways just can't be "added" in other places - too expensive and no space. At least we started with a planned rail infra structure we have the track space already. lovely upload.

My Dad, a Mechanical Engineer, was sent by The Indian Railways for his advanced training to England where, as he said, he was put through the grind for 5 years, mostly up in Scotland. On return to India in 1932 .he moved up the ladder and then commanded the largest Loco shop in Asia at Bombay. Like the shops at Derby, as a kid I've seen big 2-8-2s and beautiful 4-6-2s going through this routine. Only they took about a month to emerge a gleaming new engine with the allotted driver's personal touch to it. Those wonderful days when everybody took immense pride in their job, however menial. even their young brats did too!

The thing that strikes me with all of these videos is the apparent unconcern with health and safety. My Grandfather worked at Derby loco works for 50 years. After a short retirement he died of asbestosis gained from his work lagging steam engine boilers. I went on to work in a BR workshop after leaving the navy in the late seventies. The machine that I worked on, boring Con rod bushes, was first used in 1887. Even at this times workshop accidents and injuries were prolific, I’m hoping that there has been a big change in railway workshops now !

@davids8449

Жыл бұрын

There is all parts are probably made in china

Being born and bred in Derby I am immensely proud of its railway heritage but it makes me weep to realise how much of our rail network has gone since this film was made. Thousands of miles of track, manufacturing facilities, thousands of skilled jobs. If only there had been the foresight 60 years ago to not only keep but modernise our railways how different, efficient, cheaper and environmentally friendly our transport could now be.

@philipholt9112

4 жыл бұрын

Hi , my name is Phil I did 50yrs on the footplate I started at edgeley shed on the 4th of April 1961in 1962 I was made a fireman I finished my time out at 9A as a driver but on the 19th of February 1973 I fired the flying Scotsmen from Manchester to derby works and on the 25th of August 1973 I fired lender from derby to Manchester it was red Regards Phil.

@Cthulhu1970

3 жыл бұрын

@ThePhilRivers Well, if what they are saying is true, by 2030 there will be no more fossil fuel powered vehicles on our roads. As I'm sure you realise, the range of electric vehicles is limited, and recharge times are long. It could spell the end of the long distance lorry, and perhaps the reopening of some of our lost railways.

@RandomFabrication

9 ай бұрын

@@Cthulhu1970They won’t do anything if there’s too much push back/not enough money to gain. No matter what plans people think they have, money is gonna drive change. If engine powered machines are cheaper, that’s what we’ll stick with.

@andrewcrawford1001

7 ай бұрын

It's worse most people don't know or care that britain strode the world of industry an inconsequential hell hole ruled by powers that despise the ordinary souls

@Isochest

5 ай бұрын

I agree with you 100%

Lovely & beautiful Jubilee!

Absolutely incredible, and such hard work. I know of men in thier '20s who take a punctured bicycle wheel to the bike shop for repair.....that is so sad.

@IndianaNorthWestern

Жыл бұрын

I know of men in their 70's who take a punctured bicycle wheel to the bike shop for repairs. It's almost like if someone has the expertise and skills to do a job properly and efficiently, you should have them do the job rather than doing it yourself and risking breaking something because you don't know how fo do the job or have the proper tools.

@JeffreyCombs_is_hungry

11 ай бұрын

@@IndianaNorthWesternRight. It’s like how about you pay the money to the hard working man who’s job it is to make your life easier. It doesn’t make you weak, it gives you more time to bust ass.

@davidcousins3508

6 ай бұрын

⁠@@IndianaNorthWesternI think that you’ve missed his point ..nothing wrong with paying for expertise where needed ..but repairing a cycle tyre is hardly a high tech enterprise..as kids in the 60s/70s we all repaired our own punctures ,and other bits on our bikes ..with a bit of help from my Dad if anything needed welding.

6,000 people working in the work shops. There my friends is where all Britain's current issues have come from. We no longer really make anything, never design, simply buy, and maintain.

@edet8147

3 жыл бұрын

9

They knew what work was all about then, and like all of my Dad's generation, and certainly weren't afraid of it. ( My dad was still swinging a big Stihl chainsaw at 78! Tough ol buggers. )

@francisseal573

4 жыл бұрын

And not one obese fellow to be seen.

at 12:11, swinging the sledge right next to the other guys face. All that work done to such perfect timings

@chrisdale7492

Жыл бұрын

Noticed that too ,hats off to the hard work and precision, love the moment where he lit cigarette from the red hot steel

Only in twelve days, the giant has been repaired, rebuilt and painted ❤ Only the work schedule of this workshop shows why Britain ruled half of the world 🌎

@johnstudd4245

6 ай бұрын

They did well and had the routine down to a science. But compared to a modern diesel.....change out the bogies with new traction motors... a half of a day. Replace the whole main engine....I'm guessing a day, maybe two. Then back on the road. Not to mention much more time between major overhaul. I've heard figures of a million miles stated. It's not hard to see why steam locos disappeared quickly once decent diesels became mainstream. Much less downtime.

Watching this makes me feel like we have definitely lost something as a nation. The skill even down to the lining in the paint shop is something that is missing in today’s railway depots.

@vangledosh

10 ай бұрын

Not missing. Just not needed anymore, it really is as simple as that.

@Mildcat743

5 ай бұрын

​@@vangledoshit wasn't 'needed' then, either. The lining did nothing to help with the running of the train, it was an affectation. But it was there because companies then cared about the quality of the service they provided, and spared no expense to give every traveler a sense of luxury. Nowadays, railways care about their bottom line and their bottom line only, so any expense that can be cut will, because they don't have to care. The world was better when these large companies cared.

I had a friend, older than myself, Arthur, who worked at Horwich Locomotive Works round about the time of this film. He was involved in the refurbishment and assembly of the connecting rods &c. (The name is pronounced 'Horrich', not 'Horwidge'). Some six weeks BEFORE war was declared, all unfinished locomotives that could be, were shunted to other destinations and the rest broken up and rolled out onto adjacent land on temporary track, and buried (now Middlebrook Retail Park with Bolton Wanderers stadium). Similarly, most of the tools scrapped and buried under concrete in the huge inspection pits. Everyone of the thousands of employees then assembled trainloads of new machinery, including huge Cincinnati lathes and milling machines (my friend thought these were wonderful). Very early in the war, Horwich was assembling American light tanks, British tanks and other vehicles, weapons and machines for the War Effort. Postwar, Horwich never recovered - the huge brick buildings had little maintenance and, after a brief period of industrial units in the 1980s - it's all gone. An 18" gauge 0-4-0 saddle tank locomotive used for shunting parts around is in pride of place at the National Railway Museum, York.

@johnmehaffey9953

4 ай бұрын

Thank you for highlighting the how hard working and diligent these workers were

@derekmills1080

4 ай бұрын

@@johnmehaffey9953 You are welcome. 👍

My mother was the secretary to a works manager at a LMS repair shop in Scotland. Now I have an idea of how much planning and paperwork was involved in her daily routine 👍

Absolutely wonderful! Not only in terms of huge skill, but also in regard to astonishing precision of organization.

If only this sort of fast assembly time was possible in preservation...

@branchlineflyer7244

3 жыл бұрын

We can only dream

@OlanKenny

3 жыл бұрын

Don't have the manpower nowadays. Rileys seem to have the fastest turn around time and that's because their locos get a relatively frequent amount of heavy maintenance.

@Therailwayenthusiast4real

3 жыл бұрын

I prefer the preservation era better:)

@Sterlingjob

2 жыл бұрын

I guess it could be if there was only one workshop in the uk!

@barrycant4153

2 жыл бұрын

Probably not using the right music!

I served almost 6 years as an apprentice. If a car starter played up you took it off and found why, if it was repairable you did it. A friend was giving his Landrover starter the once over and the son of his neighbour who had just finished his '3-week' apprenticeship said why don't you do it properly and fit a new one. The reply from my friend was just two words, the second of which was 'OFF'. £1.78 for new brushes or £68.40 for an overhauled starter. Now you know why your local garage charges so much and why our country is not what it was.

Good to see Health and Safety at work.

The home of the steam engine ... well done ! Great, hard work of a Work team.

That is so impressive and not a computer to be seen.

I'd have loved this kind of work, dirty, proper graft and order to the chaos. And the job satisfaction would be something else too.

Absolutely fascinating - thanks for posting

Like in the comment below, I am also amazed that it took only 12 days to rebuild a Locomotive of that size and all done on time. When you take the 5 days off for the Painting, that means the Engineers, turned that Engine, around in only one week. The railways were losing money even then, but they still kept the workforce busy and then along came the war. Then they were even busier. then. I spent 30 years in the British Motor industry. 20 of them as a company with 7 employees and there is no way we would have done what they did in this video in a week. Martin. (Thailand)

@Cthulhu1970

3 жыл бұрын

The Great Western Railway once famously built a whole locomotive in 16 hours. Probably a pannier tank.

Those guys put the great into Great Britain ! I’d love to have worked there , I work in a reasonable sized fabrication welding shop with a machine shop on site too and our guys couldn’t tie these guys shoe laces now unfortunately

Such craftsmanship.

Excellent video - thanks, now I can do my own steamer rebuild thanks to those fine detailed step-by-step instructions, Cheerio! 💖 🇨🇦

Can we talk about the absolute badass lighting a ciggy at 9:35

@OTIB1

2 ай бұрын

Standard procedure then.

Brilliant video. Shows how great this country was. These men were amazing and so professional.

It might have been said before but I love the music, eat your heart out Bick Barton

This video is very satisfying to watch

Hermoso documento ¡¡¡¡ me hubiera gustado vivir aquellos tiempos , con poco eran más felices y se vivía mejor

Wonderful

Meine Hochachtung, eine tolle Leistung.👍👍👍😀😀😀😀😀 Viele Grüße aus Germany

12 Day's ........ a minor servicing on Typhoon jet fighter is 100 days... were did we go wrong. The skills and craftsmanship amazing. Never sadly to be seen again.

@timwingham8952

4 жыл бұрын

Where

@zippy5131

4 жыл бұрын

@@timwingham8952 Taif Saudi .. Though not there anymore, back in Blighty..

@pgtmr2713

3 жыл бұрын

A fighter jet must not fail, lives are at stake, and they operate at extremes. Really high altitude and sea level. They also break the sound barrier, pull 9, 10 G's, some slam on metal decks then later flung off with double their weight. They have to work upside down too. Thousands of psi in the hydraulic systems, mutiple backup systems. Modern aircraft, can be stripped down faster than this train. Putting em back together involves, fixing, checking, rechecking. Every fastener wire tied to another where possible to prevent it from falling into the cockpit or engine intake. sometimes the engines need to be spun up for the check, so you might need to wait on fuel or another piece of equipment for testing, or the people qualified to test and turn. The closest thing to working on these trains would be jet aircraft or F1, or Nascar race teams. These guys have cranes too, a fighter jet, you're jacking that up by hand with multiple jacks. Not to mention all sorts of explosives to mind with weapons and ejection seats. ;-)

Great!

A By gone era, we miss these skilled technicians 😢

Scheduling is extraordinary..I think we call it just in time (jig) today !

What a fascinating film of the past. They don't make trains like that anymore!

4:46 omg its him!!

In the US,the AAR/ICC had a 5 step program of locomotive overhauls! It started with depot inspections/ light repairs,to total rebuilds! Plus that was done on heavy Mallets and other far bigger engines,i.e,4-6-4's,4-8-4's,but that also went down to 0-4-0's,and even 4-4-0's,as those engines existed right up til the 1960's! The system was intensive as well as extensive! Thank you for your attention ☺️! Thank you 😇 😊!

Those were the days! No hard hats, respirators, gloves, glasses, hearing protection, steel toe shoes. Just hard work. I think I was born 50 years too late. anyone have accident statistics?

Brilliant skill and organisation- and not a computer in sight -just bits of cardboard and sticks of chalk!!!

Wow!

Verry good i llike you have vedios thank🙏👍👍👍

4:37 When the men had removed the connecting rod and placed on the ground, I thought they were going to bow.

9:33 he lit his cigarette with the hot bolt 😂

@philaypeephilippotter6532

3 жыл бұрын

It was common for people to smoke then.

@grahamstretch6863

3 жыл бұрын

Hannah's movies Except it’s not a bolt, it is a rivet!

@GuitarandMusicInstitute

3 жыл бұрын

@@philaypeephilippotter6532 you’re missing the point....

@philaypeephilippotter6532

3 жыл бұрын

@@GuitarandMusicInstitute No, I'm not. I have done the same thing myself though I lit my pipe from a pricker.

@bigwezz

3 жыл бұрын

@@philaypeephilippotter6532 She wasn't getting at the fact that he was smoking, it was the way he lit it ffs.

Thought the chargehand was superb... excellent whistle blowing....👌

Makes me wonder how many guys were hurt trying to meet impossible deadlines.

This was great. I wonder what happened to 5605 eventually, scrapped or restored on a tourist attraction somewhere. You feel these engines are alive. Brilliant stuff.

@muttley8818

9 ай бұрын

She was built in 1935. Renumbered 45605 in 1948 after British Railways was formed post war. Unfortunately, she wasn’t kept as a tourist attraction. She was scrapped in March 1964.

Also 130,000 Miles. Amazing. 130,000 miles.

A shame 5605 was cut up at Crewe in 1964.

Men didn't even make or miss a flaw 5605 had a smooth repair

So they had journaled bearings, if I’m correct. I can only imagine if these locomotives had actual roller bearings in certain key components would they had a longer service life and less wasted energy to friction.

Great footage. Just subbed

The music reminds me of the old silent films where the villain ties up the damsel in distress on the tracks, train coming, etc.

7,678 engines! And that's just the LMS! How many diesel and electric locomotives are running today? Not even close, I'm sure.

Is it just because of 5605 being the star of this educational film, Bachmann has made a special release of the very same number?

@stonehartfloydfan

4 жыл бұрын

no idea but I do have a few of their Jubilee class and just added 45575 'Madras' to the collection.

Modern technology at its finest! What will they think of next?

I will be the chap with the whistle . Excellent film showing all the skills Britain has lost

To put it into perspective, a class 66 is designed to go a million miles between rebuilds!

The romance of steam ..

By reputation LMS were not the best. However LMS designs went on to inspire the last BR steam locos. 8F class my favourite. GWR most likely thought they were better. Shown here LMS knew their trade. 8F showed 60 MPH was enough and could work on the S&D.

.....And then these brilliant blokes had to start making warplanes😢...

@philaypeephilippotter6532

4 жыл бұрын

The *Great Western Railway* workshops at *Swindon* were already working to finer tolerances than the WWII aeroplane manufacturers.

@derrickgreen9020

2 жыл бұрын

@Anthony Wright such skill…of course…Phil…

Starring Ben Kingsley as the crane operator

I’m nearly sure this locomotive was in another transport film about the driver and fireman and a day working on the road

Those were the days

Спасибо

And we think “just in time “ is a modern invention.

Me: So that’s you engines are maintained everyday. Thanks for demonstrating the process Cyprus! Cyprus: Oh believe me it was my pleasure. Must get going now see you later bye! Me: 👋 bye Cy! He’s a nice big fella ain’t he?

Lighting your ciggie on a passing red hot rivet! that was cool before the word was invented. These were mighty men!

@chrisdale7492

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely

It seems to me that this may be the first use of just in time manufacturing JIT? Like these old films of the railways. You ca see that electric locomotives are far more efficient. Thanks for the video.

No computers here! All done by hand, eye and ear. All these skills lost forever!

7 day rebuild. Incredible. 5 day paint job?

Doesn't look like a General Repair, more like a total re build. Brilliant film.

Ceylon with a fowler tender look a lot better with a stander tender..but lovely locos were the jubilees

12:27 blimey

This film would give a modern-day health and safety inspector PTSD

At 9:10 is that asbestos lining the cylinders

@omepeet2006

4 жыл бұрын

That is asbestos indeed.

6.50: 'MORE COWBELL!!'

And not a single item of crappy hi-vis clothing in sight

@omepeet2006

4 жыл бұрын

These had not been invented yet. And before you ask, the same goes for ear defenders...

@lesreed9269

4 жыл бұрын

@@omepeet2006 Ear-muffs?

@omepeet2006

4 жыл бұрын

@@lesreed9269 Yeah those.

@beeble2003

4 жыл бұрын

And how many people were crushed by heavy machinery because the operator didn't know they were there? Yes, there are lots of ridiculous applications of hi-vis these days (school children walking down the street, FFS) but this is exactly the sort of place where it's actually useful.

@omepeet2006

4 жыл бұрын

@@beeble2003 You're not wrong mate, but how can you use something that hasn't been invented yet?

No ear defenders for the riveters I notice

is no one talking about that someone used a hot piece of metal to lit a cigarette 9:32

Ah, those innocent days in which a man with a terribly proper voice could talk about stripping in the erection shop for over a quarter of an hour and nobody would bat an eyelid.

All that done in under 14 days. Would take 2 months these days because of the risk assessment requirements before every move. In those days people got by in common sense and being well organised and if you got hurt so be it. Have we really progressed? This is when Britain was the envy of the world in engineering.

@charliecroker7380

2 жыл бұрын

I would say that less injuries and deaths in the workplace is progress.

@garethparr9482

2 жыл бұрын

@@charliecroker7380 yes of course it is

PROPER RAILWAYS

12:12, Could you do that with today's H&S?

That place looks like the Sodor SteamWorks.

@philaypeephilippotter6532

3 жыл бұрын

Wrong way round.

We've gone downhill rapidly since then

Wait, LMS invented Kanban????

12 days and could be seen, at a glance, how she was doing. Just the basic data handling, materials under a quid, efficiency 10 times what would happen today! There'd be offices, computers, data storage, outsourced project management costing thousands upon thousands of pounds! When between the wars it took a piece of card with "5605" written on it and an engine repair shed full of guys who were paid a living wage and who were respected by their bosses and who had pride in their work because of that! When I think about what we've lost I could cry! We were getting there again, within Europe. We were rebuilding our pride by working with our European brothers. ESA, the Large Hadron Collider and Airbus for instance. There was much more that we were involved in. All thrown away by the tories. Brexit ruined our rise back into manufacturing! We threw it all away! We were doing so well! Buy no more... So sad! Such a waste.

And a skilled worker could earn £31 7s 6p p/w. Although a experienced whistleblower was a coveted occupation. On a serious note what has been lost , imagine if the Internet goes down would we be able to revert back to using the ingenious card systems with management who started on the shop floor and knew what was required? HSE would have a few things to say.

@ianjones4116

2 жыл бұрын

No Internet,,, there World would End ,,, lol. Never mind using the old coloured cards. 😂

Entire rebuild every 120K miles? Yikes. No wonder they liked diesels.

Good , if you take care of your clothes, by washing iron they glow a human personality. Like wise if we take of machine the chances of accident is minimal.

I reside in one of the towns stated in this video

@lesreed9269

4 жыл бұрын

You live in one of the towns in the vid?

@davidmartin6004

4 жыл бұрын

How amazing

“I’ll just light my fag off the rivet on camera”

Unique! I would like to use excerpts from the film for a KZread video on the topic of "setting locomotives". Can you name the author of the recordings?

@ironmatic1

3 жыл бұрын

Just the LMS Railway, or their PR department or whatever

@jantokarski1623

2 жыл бұрын

@@ironmatic1 that, and good luck finding whoever owns the rights to this film considering its from 1938.

@nikerailfanningttm9046

2 жыл бұрын

@@jantokarski1623 nah man...the people that own the rights to the LMS films now is probably British Railways.

@jantokarski1623

2 жыл бұрын

@@nikerailfanningttm9046 don't forget that british railways don't exist anymore as well

@nikerailfanningttm9046

2 жыл бұрын

@@jantokarski1623 exactly, so the road that now runs on former LMS rails now must own the rights to these films.

26 Thumbs down. They must’ve been Beeching fans!

No high-viz and no computer records! How did they ever manage?

They did not fuck about in them days, downloading apps and shite like that, they just got on with it!