Hameed is able to articulate his experience through a brilliant mind that is able to discriminate the facets and layers of reality and realisation. WHEN I understand him.it blows my mind.

@deepsah662

4 жыл бұрын

His ability to express multidimensionality of true nature is fantastic.

Both brought so much and complemented the other. Their mutual regard, honesty and humor made it worth watching to the end.

@ashrafremtulla9565

2 жыл бұрын

Thank-you , you both appeared one and sometimes seperate for this mimd , I appreciate the diversity and pluralistic approaches you both spoke to , thank-you for bringing me back to my humaness , it is said enlightenment is never for you it's for the other . In love and gratitude and appreciation for each of our stations in life .Khuda Hafiz

Adya has been my teacher for 15 years and I find that Aalmas is so refreshing, heartful, patient, unassuming and wise. I love Adya AND Aalmas.

@anhumblemessengerofthelawo3858

11 ай бұрын

I have two of Aalmas's books and I found them to be pretty obtuse, fanciful and theoretical; like he doesn't believe what he is saying. Seeing here now his inability to even sit still, to locate his own ESSENCE (the name of his famous book), his discomfort with silence, I can see the problem. The moment I saw him, I saw a person trapped in the tiny globe of his intellect. And he says, at the start, "I invented my own definition of realization". So you love him, and that's your saving grace, but unbridled compassion will eventually become a tremendous stumbling block that will take more time to cure than you can fathom. Wisdom eventually reaches down to guide love in a proper pathway.

@anhumblemessengerofthelawo3858

11 ай бұрын

The rose colored glasses you are wearing are preventing you from seeing what is in front of your face, let alone honestly interpreting.

It's great to see the difference between self realization as only a philosophy and self realization as an experience. It's like Adya has tasted an orange and talks about his experience, while Almaas talks about it coming from what other people (like Adya) have said about the taste of the orange!

This is wonderful. Thank you. My favorite quote was by Almaas: "Simplicity is the ordinary life without the usual self."

Great interview - So much wisdom and insight, and such respect and love between, and emanating from, Adya and Almaas.🙏

There is no division, Adyashanti & Almaas speak as one. Beautiful

@johngail5950

9 жыл бұрын

I agree with you. I have been a student of Almaas for 3 years and what I see after studying about 5 of his books, is that Almaas has as his background being a scientist and being a therapist. For this reason, he is more analytical in order to be able to understand and guide his students.

One person can sit still, and one can't. One is intent on being right, and one is not. A fascinating demonstration.

I love when Adya talked about 'love'. It does seem missing from some teachings

@deepsupport11

6 жыл бұрын

Adya mentions in Emptiness Dancing that his Zen training was really lacking at the heart level. So he went and read the Christian mystics. There are exceptions but to me, in general, Buddhist teachings are often pointing to head or gut levels, whereas Jesus was expressing to/from the heart, primarily

I made my first online purchase ever after watching this. And the first book I have purchased in 10 years. Radical Realizaation by AH Almaas has taken over from my best book ever I am That by Nisargadatta Maharaj. The most amazing book with a twist that makes everything awesome.

@tejaanand5286

9 жыл бұрын

Su Kelpyotter Su, did you mean "Runaway Relization?" On Amazon's book list, I see Almaas' most recent book, "Runaway Relization" but I'm not seeing one called "Radical Realization." Is that a different book that's not listed?

@susannahkelpyotter5595

9 жыл бұрын

Sorry you are correct is is Runaway Realization. Let me know what you think = for me, a serious seeker for many years, it just altered everything.

@aduralkain

9 жыл бұрын

Su Kelpyotter Almaas' books are amazing. Reading them is like learning a new language. It can be difficult at the beginning, but after a while it changes the way you see and understand everything. I recommend to you Spacecruiser Inquiry, my favourite so far (I haven't read Runaway Realization yet). It is the most amazing book I have ever read. Facets of Unity is very powerful too, on a very practical level. These books can really change your life...

@susannahkelpyotter5595

9 жыл бұрын

Astonishing how this book changed everything.

@susannahkelpyotter5595

9 жыл бұрын

I would like some feedback once you have it in hand. Blessings.

I love this for all of the reasons some may find it irritating. It's fascinating that it starts out a little awkwardly, but it really seems to come together as it goes along; as the dialogue (not the already-together underlying truth) comes together. Two scientists could be on the stage discussing their same field of expertise, but finding a common language between them may prove just as challenging; and yet it wouldn't undermine the fundamental congruence of what they were trying to explain. It takes many people a good deal of time to understand each other under any circumstances, and I don't see why this is any different. I found it refreshing, personally :-)

"The Saint is a man who disciplines his ego. The Sage is a man who rids himself of his ego."

@williamelliott3778

5 жыл бұрын

But the ultimate is the Awake One who is ego 100% without limits...

@colski3333

5 жыл бұрын

Without ego you could not even write what you said There is nothing wrong with the ego but there is a disease in it that needs healing. Without ego you would not know you are you and we are all different for a perfect reason. There is a point then ego find compassion for itself and begins to heal its hatred for itself and it’s separate state of impotence. Once healed ego becomes a happy camper and journey continues in revelation to what it was opposing previously. Just chatting....

@quietlyI

3 жыл бұрын

That is doership. A man cannot rid himself of who. Awareness awakens to itself.

Brood strokes on the left, deep minutiae on the right = fascinating combination of minds. I love them both.

I loved it!!! It showed the light side of what is usually quite a deep subject to discuss and showed their humanity, vulnerability, and beautiful sense of humor. I felt like I was there in the audience and laughed with them and enjoyed every minute. :) Thank you so much for sharing this program with us.

Two great teachers of truth. A joining of the heart and the mind. Blessings

Love Adya here. His words come from direct experiencing rather than theory and interpretation.

@colski3333

5 жыл бұрын

Rita Brophy yup.

I've spent so much time reading the interesting threads that I almost forgot I paused the video! :-)

Great meeting! Now, I would love Adya and Faisal Muqaddam interchanging their experiences about the "no-self self" (Adyashanti)/"Point of Light" (Faisal Muqaddam) ❤🙏

Right adya....this manifestation is only illusion relative to the absolute....but both the absolute and this manifestation are equally us...because were always both.

I LOVE ADYA!

These guys are so wonderful, perfect complement s for each other!!

Thanks so much for sharing this. Adya makes a good point regarding the concern about going from one's experience to statements about the nature of reality thru interpretations. Sam Harris has also brought this up which I think is a critical point.

I got goose bumps and squirmed while I was listening the older man =)

million scattered moments of clarity. His talks never required a new set of concepts or put me on a new path to higher experiences but seemed instead to help integrate my own experience so I could open readily to the natural deepening that was and continues to occur because my heart is already committed to lead the way. The mind and the heart are joined inseparable in this journey of the individual unfolding into universal self awareness. I appreciate the efforts of teachers and friends attending compassionately to the minds complaining that it is overly stretched, racked and tortured to the extreme in its attempts to reconcile and integrate a boundless experience. I recently started Yoga lessons I get it. But just because the mind will never fully accept what it can't possibly comprehend or because we remain clumsy in embodying the Grace that moves us it does not mean awakening or realization is incomplete. That is giving too much to the arguments of mind. If there is a risk to the path of surrender into the heart it may be that one is exposed to endless humbling but it is preferable to the arrogance of ignorance which is the minds insistence on more, even when disguised as humbly asking for more self perfection. The gift of being, being human or otherwise is offered in wholeness without a requirement to achieve perfection. While the mind looks for perfection in its reflection, perfection is offered in the source it's Self. I don't have Almaas' confidence or patience to pursue another approach or holding pattern before appreciating the ever deepening experience and ever complete source of clarity and grateful being. There will likely be much more to realize and broader perspectives and deeper understanding and that will likely continue to enlighten my path but I'm not waiting for me to be enlightened, I just don't think I have that much time.

@Terreformations2014

9 жыл бұрын

Wonderful comment. The only thing that I may disagree with is that you don't have time to become enlightened. It can happen in an instant or take God only knows how many lifetimes. You sound like your well on the way. After all, we are only uncovering what is already there. Blessings to you.

Very worthwhile conversation to listen to

I absolutely enjoy A.H Almaas's talk. He lives his realization. Embodiment and integration is very important. He has the gift to give words to what cannot be described. He fantastically said that not all of reality is awake. True nature IS WHAT IS. Changeless where reality can be in ignorance. But then there is also levels of realities. In this reality , 'reality' can be asleep ,in another it can be awake.

This interchange is interesting. They both are saying the same thing in very different ways.

A very honest discussion. Thanks for sharing.

I would love to do a Hangout and discuss this video, I know they covered a lot of things, I love it~Namaste

Realisation is to realise that you already are realised,said Shree Ramana Maharishi.

A.h Almaas expresses the multidimensionality of true nature beautifully. Adya's talk is very one dimensional. Almaas nails it about embodying true nature in daily life. Most 'non dual' teachers start and end with just the experience of awakening and not embodying.

Thank you enjoyed listening to the interview, always love listening to Adyashanti. Can't help sensing the obvious - Adyashanti speaks from direct experience, A.H.Aalmas speaks from teachings and knowledge only. Aalmas' "emptiness needs to think" yes and no, indeed, if from direct experience, emptiness doesn't need to think, thoughts arise but spontaneously and functionally, emptiness doesn't need to think, it manifests as thoughts and emotions and life itself. Enlightenment is a journey, not a destination :)

@stragf

8 жыл бұрын

+Patsie Smith Well said Patsie-Grant

@ordinaryguy815

6 жыл бұрын

Almaas is just full of empty concepts. Just alot of talk, clearly havent walked the path of ultimate loss. But hey.. fake gurus are also a manifestation of the one.

@deepsupport11

6 жыл бұрын

With all due respect, if you listen to the talk even Adya admits that Almaas has deep realization

This ends up being a good discussion to clarify: (a) difference between realization and actualization; (2) difference in approaches that emphasize one first, then the other . . . or both simultaneously.

"All paths lead to unreality. Paths are creations within the scope of knowledge. Therefore, paths and movements cannot transport you into Reality, because their function is to enmesh you within the dimension of knowledge, while Reality prevails prior to it"- Nisargadatta Maharaj

Of course, if everything is essentially in its true nature pure awareness - total being - it doesn't loose its individual expressions or unique appearances. That's the beauty of it! Infinite variations of infinite possibilities of expressions, in constant movements, sequences and changes. However the realization of one's true nature, liberates one from the illusion of being a separate entity. That's all! Individuality or uniqueness of expression was never in question.

Fire the sound guy

@777NihonSloan

9 жыл бұрын

Simon0 It would be good spiritual practice.

it's like the smallest parts of an atom..... if you "look" at them, their reality changes..... you can never really pin it down.....so don't waste your energy......just let life live through you.

Thank you Adya for mentioning the descent.

1:06:50 Talking about awakening of the head, heart, gut.

Very good.

The end of suffering is not the end of process or integration, however realization and awakening occur. The end of suffering is the end of "me". This is the value of emptiness as a vehicle. Love is still here. Joy is still here. Dance is fully alive. Connection is naturally happening. This is what is missing in most of these talks, valuable as they are. The end of "me" is the satori.

sooooo tedious! @ A.H. Almaas tysm Adya =)) on point as usual ^^

@aj010139

3 жыл бұрын

Who in you is making judgement?

I'm at the half hr. mark about. We can see that the speaking is still going thru a personal filter, even though it's the 'absolute'.

I am 34 and i feel like i have repressed so much stuff for 20 years or so. Onyl recently i began to feel the willingness to come out of repression. And if it casues suffering then thats ok. Some of it was so painful i jsut shoved it deep down.. but like i said i am now going to let it come up.

@wombtang20

3 жыл бұрын

❤

Biggest miracle of god is the human body,surely.

Interesting. To me it's still playing the game, and as long as we are within physical reality, we have to place the game in space, time, and limitations. The statement however that we most learn it and become enlighten. Getting the bigger picture you see that is not the case, as we are all part of the "All That Is." Playing it without some great realization has it's place within all, and a lot of effort was made to create a reality of this complexity and forgetfulness, don't be in a hurry to leave it, as we will all leave in time, no exceptions, and not test to pass.

Amazing

When Buddha said... when yuh awake everyone is awake,.. they are awake. If you awake and your neighbor is not!!! something else has to happen. Even Buddha had the complete enlightenment in lifetime he wasn’t famous in. Feeling is; Dude on the right will keep you on the path for a long long time working on it in a structural way introducing mental complexities that are human construct and it’s not really necessary. Can’t heal illusion with illusion. Or ego with ego. The leftie is way fluid and in a continual inner movement. like Jesus he wouldn’t leave a teaching behind but rightie has a massive map. They are kind of like left n right brain. Yet a grace of god doesn’t take time. What happened to leftie feels like grace. Realization is just a begging. Awakening goes in and on. Urantia book says it takes about a million years to awaken all sensations (not like the sensations body has) to be aware of its full potential. Our big awakenings Are just like scratching our arse in the big picture of it all. Real awakening is just waking up there is more to to be awaken. If the awakening is not left begin and new awaking takes up periodically to a point when it happens daily. Awakening is like we get a little torch that helps with going bellow take a bit of dark and resurrect with. This makes the torch bigger and,... this way has no end because the darkness is part of creation that receives light so one recreate itself as THE NEW. u don’t make stuff from old. You birth to something that was never before but by tomorrow that’s old and THE NEW IS BORN. THAT is Life. No more discussions...Only Creation which fricken rocks. Most of it lies in feeling body. There is absolutely final truth. God is. Yet there is no way to define it. Why? Because it’s always New. Mind is this little (pin) prick that think it’s big. Perception is not an attribute of God. Go figure.

When they talk about realization continuing to unfold it sounded to me like they would have liked there to be an end, a kind of finish line, a sense of completeness. It struck a chord in me when i once heard Krishnamurti suggest that Truth is not static. To me that feels like it's not something to be known or arrived at..Maybe that's what Yogananda was also saying when he described realization as the peeling of an infinitely layered onion..

The individual conciousness is an appearance...no seperation may be brought to infinity.

Prickles and goo.

@Counselingforlife

4 жыл бұрын

Psylomaam who’s who? ✌️😉

The industry of hope

@stragf

8 жыл бұрын

+Gustav Adamas Yes...better than arms dealing

In a CD series I bought about 10 yrs. ago he says he became awakened when he heard a bird and asked who hears the bird,and he suddenly awakened. In his interview with Oprah he told a completely different story.You can look up the story by searching the Oprah interviews which are on You Tube. The name of the CD series was Adyashanti Spontaneous Awakening from Sounds True.The conflicting stories don’t inspire confidence.

@tnvol5331

7 жыл бұрын

OK,I found out he had two awakening experiences....so no conflict

@wombtang20

3 жыл бұрын

@@tnvol5331 No problem. What's your experience?

@tnvol5331

3 жыл бұрын

@@wombtang20 Dont have anything to report.....yet.

Groucho s looking good here.

Should i have capitalised ' absolute' like people do 'Self'? What a wild trip we're on!

As the Absolute, there is no Absolute. This is all "self improvement" i.e., be more, do more, have more.

The guy is saying I am not awakened and you are. Yet I as an ignorant being am just as much real or apart of reality as you are. That reality is not in its entirety realized to itself and they he is that part of unrealized reality. Yet just as real. Why he is saying this is another question. Edit: I think maybe through age he's given up and wants to proclaim that although he has not achieved, he is still and has always been achieved. As a part of reality, ignorant or awakened. In other words he is saying that adya has achieved experientially while he as achieved understanding conceptually. And that that's all the same and all is well. He is literally apologizing for his own lack of achievement experientially. It makes sense and it's heartbreaking

I wonder what it felt like when he sent that chi through adya's leg.

So even after realization, it sounds like a person manifests traits of the ego! How is that an identify shift then?

can someone please help me understand the significance of hameed's beads?

@QED_

7 жыл бұрын

Karen Johnson, co-founder of Hameed's teaching, is also seen on videos using a misbahah (Islamic prayer beads). I've asked a senior teacher of Hameed's about it -- and didn't get much of an answer. None of the conventional uses of a misbahah seem like they would be necessary for Hameed or Karen. My best guess (purely speculative) is that they are doing it on behalf of someone else -- either living or dead. The specific details of how that would work . . . is unclear to me.

Interesting to watch adyashanti squirm in his seat!

@cosmosaic8117

9 жыл бұрын

It's because this whole thing is set up awkwardly by the host. Not sure why Adyashanti agrees to do these. he's much more comfortable doing a Satsang. This is more like a weird interview.

@daneiladams

9 жыл бұрын

not sure if that is true, too me it felt like adya's ego was being threatened by almaas, he seemed to be propping himself up more then the others, not sure if this is true either

@cosmosaic8117

9 жыл бұрын

Nidra Life I felt like he was just bored of the chatter and maybe went through a moment of "what am I doing here?"...and the host seemed to irritate him right away. He didn't seem threatened by Almaas but just more irritated with the whole thing. Which is why I don't get why he does these. Satsang is more his own flow.

@daneiladams

9 жыл бұрын

maybe he is awakened maybe he is not, how to measure this? i think its stupid to focus or emphasise so much on awakening, besides its a business.....thx for responding

@dikidok9455

9 жыл бұрын

Kwistenbiebel200 Well said, i agree. Anyways, 90% of all of this is just spiritual blabber (and this is what is making Adya a little uncomfortable) : who is experiencing what ? Reality experiencing reality, etc... When one is truly walking the path, it all becomes irrelevant pretty quickly, as these are just intellectual attempts to make "awakening" comprehensible to the human mind - which, of course, is impossible. When you heart realizes something on a deep level, a description of it actually comes naturally in just a few words. And that description seems to hit the spot perfectly for hte one that formulated it, and probably to a few people that are on the same "level" or that have a very similar sensitivity. And yet, to the majority, it makes no sense, it is not satisfactory as their minds demand to be fed copious explanations and equations... And you have it right there. Adya is the true sage talking from his heart. Whereas Almass is the scientific, trying to open up the frog in hope that it's internal mechanisms will somehow reveal itself to him.

Gee golly whiz. Now what could I possibly say that would be even more spiritually significant than what has already been said in the comments here? 🦎

Well then I think I will now have some tea. But I think I will put my tea on ice and put a little lime in it. Thank you.

=== Blame === When I don’t brush my teeth, when I don’t floss my teeth... ...I don’t blame existence for the bad smelling mouth, for bleeding gums or for toothache. When I don’t sleep on time… ...I don’t blame existence for feeling tired, sleepy, lacking energy or slow functioning brain. When I don’t exercise… ...I don’t blame existence for weak arms. When I don’t take bath… ...I don’t blame existence for bad smelling armpits. When I don’t meditate, contemplate and remember the teachings in the morning and in the afternoon and in the night… ...I don’t blame existence for bad day. When I don’t thank Existence for the Air that I breathe and the Lungs with which I breathe… ...I don’t blame the Existence of Feeling Bad. When I don’t thank Existence for the Sunshine, the Rain, The Earth, The Sky, The water, This Body… ...I don’t blame the Existence of Feeling Bad. When I don’t thank the Existence for Bringing you in my life in this moment and for giving me the time and capacity to write few words and to understand the words that you write… ...I don’t blame the Existence of Feeling Bad. To me… ...these are like the laws of gravity… And… ...I don’t blame the Gravity… for pulling me down… It is… ...for me… to remember it. When I am not thankful for the Air that I Breathe and the lungs with which I breathe… when I am not thankful for the water, food, the earth, sunshine, the sun, the light, the flowers… ...I don’t deserve to be happy… ...to me… ...it is as simple as that…

@TransferOfAwakening

7 жыл бұрын

When I don't see the God (Existence) (The Ultimate Reality)... in you... ...in me... ...in the PLAY... ...when I don't see the PLAY in what happens between you and me... when I don't see you as my partner in the PLAY... there is no reason for me to be happy... ...it is for me to remember it... The law works the way it does... ...the gravity works the way it does...

36:45 haha thought the same like Almaas

Karma makes you love Zen and Japan.

If it is the reality which awakens then is it still not 'fully awake' even after many many Buddhas (by Buddha, I mean an awakened being)? What is left of 'it' to 'itself' which is still has to be realized through more and more awakening beings?

I love Adya, but at 8 min he said “but we exist in time”. We don’t exist in time. We awaken into not-knowing spontaneity that comes from being alive outside of time.

interesting

What is the difference between enlightened and knowledgable?

@neokamusic

6 жыл бұрын

Knowledgable is concptually knowing. It is the product of the thinking mind and is based on the ego's perceptions and conclusions and analytical processing of it all. Knowledge is both subjective and objective and is insight based on experience and analysis of such experience which is then conceptualized, internalized and applied to life in general on a personal level and in relationship to others and all else. Enlightenment is the knowing behind all of that. It is the know-er knowing that he knows but not how he knows, and living from that place of knowing without the need to know.

@koukiksss

5 жыл бұрын

@@neokamusic Huuuaaaiii douu you LAAABB enlightened LAAB ?

Almaas we are 2 because every possible point of infinity......which is infinite itself....experiences from their apparent different perspectives....the reason it is...is pointless...because it always was...so all we can say is its how we are.

Feels like he’s sitting on the stage with crazy under pressure people

Good to see Adya cut through the bullshit. There's too much philosophy going on. Experience first, philosophy second.

@adrianrivas5147

8 жыл бұрын

+Rich I actually see no philosphy, both are talking from experience, It is just that Almaas has done a more refinded exploration of these experiences and reports back his findings.

Very nice that they both refused to name Rupert Spira when mentioning talking head gurus 😁

I thin this 2 made Adya angry lol Almas was werid lol heheheh the girl was ok but she angry told her how is this relevant lol this was some funny shit from the begining to the end lol I love how adya told Almas that he would get hit with a stick if he would come to a zen teacher and talked all this shit about emptyness.

I honestly don't mean to be rude, but Adyashanti's voice sounds to me exactly like JP Sears the 'awakened' parody comedian, so it's a bit distracting. I guess they're both from northern California so have the same accent.

Peek a boo, the baby game is also the game of finding ultimate being ... now you see it and now you don't; attempting to explain that which is, ultimately, unexplainable.

@777NihonSloan

9 жыл бұрын

Minahh Sounds defeatist. Given eternity, I'm sure Light will be cast.

i think that is a major issue nowadays: people mistake their identity (or qualities that they can identify: the who, the what, the when, and the why) for their essence. you are not thomas. you do not have brown hair and green eyes. you are not 6'2". you are not 52 years old and from the netherlands. these are qualities that one ascribes to their experience. these are not qualities _of_ experience.

@williamelliott3778

9 жыл бұрын

Actually you are Thomas 100%, the difference is you are not stuck in being Thomas only. The old spirituality talked of detachment, there is no such thing.

@joebazooks

9 жыл бұрын

thomas is just a name, just a word. 6'2" is simply a dimension, just a distance, a length, a height, or whatever, of a particular metric, specifically the system of imperial units. 52 years is just a particular duration. dutch is just a particular nationality that is further abstracted from a locality. these qualities aren't qualities of your being; instead, these qualities describe the relationship of your being to the world of things. thomas is a quality of the relationship between your person and other people. 6'2" describes the relationship of a human body to a measuring stick or particular metric. 52 years is a quality of the relationship between the birth or birthing of your body and another metric, a temporal metric. dutch is a quality of the relationship between the abstraction of your location and a man-made map. you aren't a word. you aren't a dimension. you aren't a duration. you aren't a nationality.

@joebazooks

9 жыл бұрын

william elliott oh and, by the way, i actually have an uncle named william elliott :) by any chance, do you live in canada?

@bigjojo7915

6 жыл бұрын

you are the experience you are having now and always that.

Almaas is the Godfather here. Traversing the many dimensions of being. He is so beyond the common spirituality authors... this guy is a massive lightweight next to him. But that's cool... we need both

Fuck me put the beads down Almaas some of us are sensitive over here and trying to listen to what you're saying! haha "Why do you love Zen and Japan?" :) I think the guy was asking for a shout out to the Japanese

Thank heavens for A.H. Almaas in this discussion. If not, Adyashanti would be lost in his own garble.

@scutty4022

6 жыл бұрын

ldelsack you mean the garble that you're making it into?

Wow this really awkwardly ends. There's a sense in the air of the phoniness of the concept of enlightenment. My one complaint to Adya is his overuse of the words Truth and Enlightenment for this very reason but I mean what can you do I guess?

@martinward691

7 жыл бұрын

Cosmosaic Language aye! gotta use it but it's tricky

I wonder if these “teachers” really know what their talking about. Terms like spiritual, consciousness, awakening, reality, opening the heart, opening the belly, true nature, love, compassion, realization , awareness flowing as honey,. These are all concepts, we have no idea what these concepts are. Please

@ZenMasterGee

10 күн бұрын

Why are you here on the internet if you don't care for concepts?

I didn't find this interview interesting, lots of chatting. Adya even admits that at a certain point he didn't know anymore what they were talking about...They talked a lot and didn't say anything.

poor sound

"Almas" means Souls in Spanish xD

@user-ss4qg8fk4r

7 жыл бұрын

it means diamond in farsi.

bill burr

Dangit. The sound engineering is not so enlightened

When you awaken the whole world awakens means not that your neighbor awakens but you see the reality of the world, it becomes an extension of awareness. Almaas talk is jumbo mumbo, where he beliefs that there's an individual consciousness, which is just ridiculous. “You know the Zen saying certainly better than I do, the one where first, the ordinary person is completely involved in the mountain, sees it as a mountain; then there is a moment when there is a switchover and the seeing refers to itself, then there is no mountain, only awareness. Then he looks again at the mountain. There is still a mountain, but it is not a mountain in the same way as before because it refers to consciousness. This means that the mountain is no longer isolated. It belongs to the looker. It does not mean that the object dissolves; the object is still there. But it is seen in consciousness. It becomes sacred. The moment it does not refer to totality, to your real being, it is vulgar, it is ordinary. But the moment it refers to your ultimate being, it is sacred.” - Jean Klein

Sooo... I think Adya is used to talking all the time and well... does just that - lol

Interviewer looks real stressed and uncomfortable.

Huuuaii dou you laab ??

@21:45 almaas states that "awareness can never be aware of anything on its' own"... i totally disagree... if that were true human beings could never have been brought into existence... probably no life forms would exist... simply because "awareness" is "NO-THING"... yet... it is the beginning... and the end... it can neither be created nor destroyed... it just is... and to say otherwise is a sure sign of spiritual ignorance...

@777NihonSloan

9 жыл бұрын

***** Same thing.

@williamelliott3778

6 жыл бұрын

MrDrofinnah Almaas is correct. Adya keeps talking realization and emptiness. Almaas is articulating awareness, realization and all that also is happening. Adya is mostly the unmanifest, Almaas Ken Wilbur etc are actually jumping off the fence living the experience and articulating it. Adya keeps “emptying” everything-science would not have developed with adya. Awareness is not the beginning and end. It’s before that...

@MegaHealer

5 жыл бұрын

MrDrofinnah We know what makes us one, but what makes us two 👍 Here I don’t think Almaas is talking about the person (the psychological self) but the spiritual human individual consciousness, the soul. (Atman not immediately Brahman) .. then there is also unmanifested reality and manifested reality (including consciousness) .. finally trickling down to creation, time & space. I wish I could articulate better what I’m thinking here, but Hameed brings up very good points. Adya goes straight from false psychological self to Brahman .. bypassing the soul. 😛 Adya won’t even consider it cause he is looking from the broadest stroke.

@deepsah662

4 жыл бұрын

To be aware of yourself you need the seeming another. Otherwise you cannot be self aware. You just BE withiut self awareness. So Almaas is right. You seem to talk about selfawareness as a concept. How can you be self aware without another to know the difference.? This is why awareness need us and that is why we are here. That is why seeming contrast is here.

Absolutely Cult....

Stephen grey doing what he does best. Showing a level of ignorance becoming of what he thinks is enlightenment. Ego at its finest.

I think part of the problem with all these discussions is that there's still too much religious thinking involved in this area. Consciousness with a big 'C' is really the last redoubt of God. Hankering for some kind of "life after death" or "immortality" or "reincarnation" in spiritual circles - the lingering afterlife of religion. When Adya says he sticks to experience - well, yes, but experience is already an interpretation, there's no such thing as "raw", uninterpreted experience, even to call what's happening "experience" is itself an interpretation. IOW, *you can't avoid philosophy.* Therefore, better to do it well, rather than poorly. But if you take philosophy seriously, you also take science seriously as a subset of philosophy (as the best set of answers we have as to how experience and the world we experience are constructed). So yes, it's absolutely true to say that Reality experiences itself through the individual - it's always doing that, but at some point the mind awakens to the fact, and aligns itself with what's already been happening anyway. The body, being connected through and through to the rest of the world, being dependent on the world, its mind is also a mind of the world. But that doesn't necessarily make it some grand, immortal thing. It's quite ok for the mind to be a fleeting product of causes and conditions, which will run down at some point, and that particular instance of consciousness cease. That doesn't make that temporary, fleeting instance of consciousness _any less_ Reality's consciousness of itself. On the contrary, as with the debate of theism/atheism, when you give up faith, you are left with a life that's even more precious, precisely because of its fleeting nature. The correct approach (so far as the mind is concerned) is to fully extricate all this stuff from its religious encrustations, and embed it in science, and the art of living, where it really belongs (as Sam Harris does in his book Waking Up). This is all about conscious experience, and the quality of conscious experience - and it would still be so even if religion were true; it just so happens that religion is false. The discovery of the true metaphysical nature of ordinary, everyday conscious experience, as being the world experiencing itself, is a wonderful discovery, but it's not a religious discovery, it's just a factual, metaphysical, philosophical discovery.

@gurugeorge

9 жыл бұрын

***** There were always physicalist (more up-to-date way of saying "materialism", to connote matter+energy) interpretations of Buddhism, and physicalism is obviously the way to roll with nondualism too :) I'm afraid you're going to have to brace yourself, because it's only going to get worse (or, from my point of view, better :) ). Join usssss!!!!

@timmatthews6254

8 жыл бұрын

With respect (and I mean that), I believe you have either missed the point, or you fundamentally disagree that there is a "Noumenal-Phenomenal" unity which can awaken to itself without the medium of epiphenomenal consciousness. In either case, your comments are well made, but probably best left for a more relevant discussion!

@gurugeorge

8 жыл бұрын

Tim Matthews The latter, and I think it's quite relevant. I have a lot of affection for non-dual teachers, non-dualism, etc., far more so than most rationalists would (mainly because I've had mystical experiences and non-dual epiphanies myself), but I think there's a lot of bad philosophy that clings to it, specifically traces of Idealism inherited from some of the Asian traditions, which then gets pseudo-justified by appeals to things like the Kantian distinction between noumenal and phenomenal (which few people understand anyway - the terms are epistemological and refer to modes of ascertaining truth, and only refer to "realities", as is so often said, insofar as a portion or aspect of reality is apprehended either immediately, without mediation via experience, or via experience - IOW "noumenal" means "noumenally apprehended", "phenomenal" means "phenomenally apprehended", the terms don't refer to reality in and of itself). Harping on Consciousness with a big "C" is really the last vestige of the wish for immortality (or the wish to conquer, or bypass death) that drives religion. But nonduality ought not to be religious. The only way we're going to get immortality, if at all, is scientifically. Consciousness (barring such scientific advancement) is temporal, temporary, lives and dies. Yes, it has a metaphysical dimension that's outside time, and any instance of consciousness partakes in that (any consciousness is "God's consciousness", so to speak) but it's not an ontological dimension, there is no thing-consciousness that's eternal, etc., etc., the concept is a comforting (or frightening, depending on how you look at it) but incoherent reification that gets its juice only from some kinds of mystical experience in which it *seems* that there is a Consciousness. But we know from experience that lots of things seem to be that aren't so. This fundamental incoherence is the reason why you get the same questions coming up again and again in satsang and nobody ever gets settled, except by luck (called "grace" :) ). The older Advaita Vedanta traditions (where satsang is the "unfolding" of scripture) are better, because deeper philosophically, but they still believe in a) God (Isvara), and b) some element of reification of consciousness. The reason it annoys me and I may seem a bit het up about it (in a #firstworldproblems kind of sense :) ) is that I believe this stuff is everyone's birthright, and the world would go far better if everyone had some understanding. But what's holding that back is the Augean Stables of bad philosophy in all these old traditions. The bad philosophy is what makes the effects of the teachings somewhat random. It needs cleaning out. I'm not the Hercules to do it, but it will eventually be done, and when it's done, it will be the birthright of every child and adult to be "enlightened" as a matter of course. Then we can get on with the business of enlightened living :)

@timmatthews6254

8 жыл бұрын

Well, the key here lies in the word "experience"; and I agree, all experiences are interpretations, and therefore not to be mistaken for "truth". But there are people who explain "enlightenment" (I'll use that term, as it has its origins in Buddhism, which you referred to earlier) as something which is explicitly NOT an experience... I'll save you my pathetic attempts at adequately explaining myself and, instead, refer you to the works of Franklin Merrell-Wolff (assuming you haven't heard of him already). He was a philospher and mathematician who took a professorship at Stanford, only to walk away from it all in search of something "beyond". He claimed to have finally achieved this (I'm just going to refer to him as an individual achieving something because it's tiresome using "nondual" language) and devoted the rest of his life to tackling the philosophical implications from a Western perspective. He was no slouch... Two books were published, both with terrible titles (which he didn't choose!). The second is the most philosophically robust, though the second part of his first is an attempt at a discussion of what he called "consciousness-without-an-object-and-without-a-subject". Incidentally, I realise Kant was not espousing the proposition that there is any access to transcendent consciousness in his epistemology, but he didn't seem to be slamming the door shut on the metaphysical question. He wouldn't have inspired the German Idealists if that were the case... But I'm no expert on Kant, to be sure! Thanks for your respectful response. If only the were more people who could disagree honestly and without resorting to the usual mud-slinging. But I do disagree :-)

@docsavagemanofbronze6362

8 жыл бұрын

+gurugeorge I have nothing against the attempt to reconcile spirituality and science, Dalai lama for example has spent years in dialogue with luminaries from various branches of science ( and insists on rethinking any scientific claims in his particular tradition that are shown to be false) and Almaas was a physicist before he felt the need to look for answers to his questions elsewhere, but to state that "religion is false" and to offer Sam Harris as an example of the correct way to approach spirituality seems bizarre. Harris is an Islamophobic bigot who may be a competent neuroscientist but knows little about philosophy and next to nothing about religion or history, and who's ideas about progress include racially typing anyone who even looks like a muslim and being prepared to carry out a nuclear first strike against any Islamist state who might acquire nuclear weaponry. He is a supporter of torture and an apologist for Western imperialism and mass killing of women and children. Perhaps is due some kind of kudos for a basic realization of "no self" during his drug taking but there is very little in his book to distinguish it from any other new age speculation. Almaas has realized the essence of various spiritual/religious traditions, not least buddhist, christian and sufi and has discovered a method that brings the teachings of some of the greatest minds in human history, such as Ibn Arabi to common understanding, and to a large degree has clarified and reconciled the difference in emphasis of these different traditions while also finding an absolutely practical use for techniques from depth psychology which show results time and again in terms of freedom and development in his students. To accuse him of clinging to some kind of religiosity will sound ridiculous to anyone who has been involved with his work.

One man is using their thoughts to express self realization and another is using presence. It's a very hard talk to listen through.

Neither of these gentlemen are "realized" in the Non-Dual sense. :D

@nosega1965

7 жыл бұрын

how do u know? I would like to understand better. txs

@daosnet

7 жыл бұрын

What they describe as a continuously unfolding realization is actually not how the Advaita Masters describe it. They speak of deeper experiences unfolding after the "initial realization". That is wrong because when the ultimate advaita realization occurs, it is really a dropping away of the veils of our delusion (or avidya/ignorance). In the absolute non-dual, there cannot be any more experiences, as for an experience to occur, there must remain a subject and an object. The Advaitan Self (Atman) is Pure Objectless Consciousness. There can be no further refinement, even if we consider it from a purely rational/logical perspective. If there is experience, then it is not non-dual. If it is non-dual there is no more experience. That's why the Old Masters all emphasized on Silence. The "mind" itself sinks back into the source (The Pure Self) and does not rise again. This is called "Manonasha" or "Destruction of the Mind". As long as there is an experiencer, the "realization" (or Enlightenment) is not. The Masters describe enlightenment as a sudden and complete occurrence. All that these two gentlemen described are part of the journey leading up to that occurrence. Like an apple falls off the branch when it is ripe. It is complete and irreversible.

@theself5738

5 жыл бұрын

Who are you to judge? You would have to get into Adya's experience to determine that.

This child playing with his toy is so distracting.

spiritual bs i like it