So Lori said Tylee didn’t want to watch JJ unless she was paid? Yet she “hired and paid” a stranger? What a crock of crap!

@jcrawford540

Жыл бұрын

Good catch

@robinettbanister1236

Жыл бұрын

Remember, at the point Lori hired this sitter Tylee was deceased and buried in Chad's backyard. So, Lori didn't have Tylee to watch JJ.

@EmmaKnightleyNo1

Жыл бұрын

Yes! I thought oh my, here she is slandering poor Tylee after her death.... but it just goes to show what a skilled manipulative liar she is!!!

@mistyize

Жыл бұрын

Right?? I hope the jury is paying attention. I haven't gotten to listen to the trial in chronological order, but to me it seems like both sides aren't doing a great job of nailing down the timeline for the jury. It always seems kind of implied. Maybe it's just me though.

@stacyhenry5578

Жыл бұрын

Sad thing is is she would have been paid with her own money but instead Laurie stole her money and paid someone else to do it

She’s not crazy. She’s manipulative.

@Nolasusan1

Жыл бұрын

Crazy people are manipulative by nature.

@wilsal2485

Жыл бұрын

She's both.

@AG-hg2oc

Жыл бұрын

And narcissist...

@kathismith7441

Жыл бұрын

She’s claiming that she’s crazy

@stephanied6451

Жыл бұрын

​@kathi smith is she? When

Clearly both David and Melanie Fibb are distancing themselves. So transparent.

@Godasecond321

Жыл бұрын

I've always said they know more ....

@megmeyer7563

Жыл бұрын

They are both involved

@dyanalynn6698

Жыл бұрын

MG comes off to me as a shrewd negotiator…what’s that saying, the first to cooperate gets the best deal. The first to tell their story to the media may have thought like a good idea, MG was the first face I saw associated with this case way back being interviewed by Nate. Little did she know we are great BS detectors 😉

@elenahuntful

Жыл бұрын

I can not even listen Warwick. Sound as he is sick or something?

@julesmay1615

Жыл бұрын

@@elenahuntful he was sick which is why he didn’t arrive in Idaho at the same time as Melanie. He was given antibiotics a couple of days before he arrived because he was not getting better as quickly as they’d hoped. This was said before the jury was brought in, while they were deciding whether he would be allowed to testify or not because of hearing some of Melanies testimony.

00:04:53 Chandler Police Sgt. Nathan Moffatt 00:27:19 Sydney Schenk (Lori's babysitter) 00:38:58 Sydney Schenk cross examination 00:42:30 Josh Wilson (Kennedy Elementary School principal) 00:48:04 Josh Wilson cross examination 00:50:57 Wynn Hill (BYU-Idaho dean) 00:56:20 David Warwick testifies without the jury, about what he listened to in this trial+discussion 01:26:36 David Warwick 01:53:10 David Warwick cross examination

@georgieeve2026

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! 🙏

@sasha3432

Жыл бұрын

Merci!

@Shenanigansandstuff

Жыл бұрын

🥳🥳🥳🥳Thank YOU🥳!

@jennyobrien849

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@wandarask8444

Жыл бұрын

Thankyou for your thoughtfulness. From Australia

13 days in, and you can get an idea of just how much work has been done to bring this case to trial. The sheer amount of facts gathered from dates, times, witnesses, paper and phone trails, etc. never mind, all the forensic and medical findings. No wonder it takes years to come to court

@tammy5926

Жыл бұрын

Agree. It's a long but fascinating process.

Poor little JJ had so much disruption, moving here n there, his special needs dog was sold, his father was killed, his sister disappeared,. Alex is taking over discipline because crazy Lori wouldn't and couldn't, she was too interested in chasing off demons, and zombies, then they are changing schools, and he was autistic on top of it all. How can anyone expect him to be settled? I don't believe she was ever a "good mother".

@EmmaKnightleyNo1

Жыл бұрын

And what if she just stopped his medication, why help the 'zombie'... then saying oh he is acting so demonic... Evil.

@SerenDipity64711

Жыл бұрын

poor child pulled around different States, different homes that lasted a few months then off again. The worst thing you can do for an autistic person is to disrupt their familiar patterns. She couldn't have cared less.

@sopheadutch6350

Жыл бұрын

You got everything right & I think JJ bio father is still alive but a drug addict who gave him up. Yeah, monster hagged looking Lori was never a mother. I was wondering "how did Colby escape those deaths"?👀🤔

@SerenDipity64711

Жыл бұрын

@@sopheadutch6350 I think because he was out of the home, and leading a different life, he couldn't be manipulated so easily. It seems he was ' on to' his mother.

@heatherhall3452

2 ай бұрын

Just devastating to know how much that poor 😭💔 darling boy suffered at the hands of this selfish evil monster 👺 I hope the women in prison NEVER Let her Forget what she’s done to her beautiful children and Husbands and Brother, and another man’s wife - she’s the lowest belly of a snake, I’m so glad to have heard testimonies on touching the afterlife channel to know where she & Chad are going 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥😈🔱

Had they arrested Alex for killing Charles, both JJ and Tylee may be alive today. Sgt Moffat stated that the crime scene did not match what Alex said happened. That should have been a RED flag. This should have been investigated. Someone dropped the ball on this. Why? My heart aches for these two innocent children. Tyle was brainwashed. 😢

@jencendiary

Жыл бұрын

That would require the State of Arizona to actually hold a white dude accountable for his use of a firearm

@jcrawford540

Жыл бұрын

The Woodcocks should have grounds to sue for Charles death.

@downtherabbitholes4714

Жыл бұрын

I would sue the "Community Bridges" agency that was supposed to do an intensive assessment of Lori. Charles Vallow had gone through the trouble of getting an order for Lori's assessment. Community Bridges passed her with flying colors regarding her mental health intake. Although, we don't have to be psychiatrists to see she's a loony tune with many many disorders, they passed her! Charles told them that he was scared of her. He wrote in his motion to have her evaluated because she had bizarre thinking and he thought she would do something to hurt him and/or the kids.

@kathismith7441

Жыл бұрын

@@jcrawford540 and the kids

@tallgirlhappyme

Жыл бұрын

*Exactly. Big fail.*

I really like the female prosecuter. She is both astute and courteous.

@TRuru.

Жыл бұрын

Her repeated “um’s” are so distracting though. Um, most of her um questions have um at least one “um” in it.

@mayamohamed9847

Жыл бұрын

Ya true with the "ums"but other than that I Iike her reasonings and her voice. She would make a great prosecutor with more practice maybe. There are ways speakers can train for more fluent and confident speech.she is brilliant though.

@WendyandBradPitt

Жыл бұрын

I had to skip most of Zulema's testimony. They were both saying "um" so much, I couldn't take it anymore.

Omg that shootingin Arizona has everything to do with this case in Idaho

I really don’t understand how a mother can live as if everything is ok when her children are dead. If she didn’t kill them herself she knows who did!! She is most evil!!!

@user-qv4ni9hd8m

Жыл бұрын

RK, And Lori obviously condoned having J.J. and Tylee killed!

@AmicaCream

Жыл бұрын

Lori is mentally ill, like Diane Downs , the Yates woman who drowned her 5 kids. She belongs in prison with lifelong psychotherapy

@Nolasusan1

Жыл бұрын

When you’re a delusional psychopath it’s easy.

@Curious-Irish-Angel

Жыл бұрын

IMHO I haven't heard any evidence that Lori gave direction for any of these horrific crimes yet. I am concerned about this. Chad and Alex seem to be and are the ones that committed and getting the full blame for all of the crimes. Even if Lori wished, hinted at or spoke of them there hasn't been any evidence. I think her defense is setting up that Lori was trying to cast out evils of others. Alongside the group of women (Melanie (s) Zulema etc who aren't getting charged for any of this. Even though it was said that Chad was teaching this garbage and Lori was then repeating and endorsing his twisted beliefs isn't a crime. I think when the state kept reiterating that Alex believed EVRYTHING that Chad and Lori were telling him it all falls back on Chad who originated the system of dark and light scales, zombies, portholes and the like... Starting with Lori talking about the supposed multiple marriages to manipulate her from the beginning. I cannot understand why MG and Zulema aren't getting charged as accomplices. MG lied to police and knew the children were unaccounted for . She didn't tell the police the truth for awhile. Her testimony wasn't earth shattering so the prosecution didn't really need her testimony. Regardless if she had been charged her actions would have come into play at both Lori and Chad's trials. Lori could end up getting charged with financial crimes and lieing to police (idk if she has even been charged with obstruction or hindering an investigation still or if that was all dropped in lieu of the more serious ones) 🤷‍♀️

@mauiloves885

Жыл бұрын

​@@Curious-Irish-Angel - The defense is likely doing that but it near impossible because Lori has been caught lying about her children repeatedly. She knew her children were murdered. She was on the run. She understood what being DARK or a Zombie meant. At no time did she try to save her children or at least come clean about their deaths. Especially if their argument is it 'came from God'. And they being the Big Kahuna's, why NOT be forthright? As for Melanie and Zulema they should FRY, too. But, the bigger fishes are Lori and Chad. So, they need their testimony. Let's not get it twisted, both ladies are still disgusting!

The amount of lying that went into this just shows that they very well knew how they would sound to the rest of the population. If they said exactly what they 'believed' to be going on (zombies, dark, light, etc), they KNEW excactly how crazy it would sound. The amount of mental torture Lori put on her kids prior to their deaths too.... moving all the time, people dying, being told what to say. So heartbreaking.

The Chandler police totally blew this investigation. The guys says Alex’s head injury was not typical of getting hit with a bat yet he was never charged. I hope Charles’ sister files a lawsuit after this trial is over.

@lauracherebullock7288

Жыл бұрын

Me too, but especially his living children 😢

@nataliepowell4806

Жыл бұрын

I agree, had Alex been arrested those poor kids may if still been alive! I doubt either Chad or Lori would of done it

If it wasn’t for the money she would’ve actually sent them to live with their grandparents She Is lying to everyone and herself with all the spiritual bullshit

Tylee adored JJ and did NOT demand payment when she took care of him. But of course the Liar didn’t consider the irony of Lori having no problem paying a stranger to take care of JJ. “Oh the wicked webs we weave when we decide to deceive”.

@amisguidedgh0st

Жыл бұрын

How was she supposed to babysit if she was in college 🤔🙄🙄🙄 this b…. Lori

@joanclaytonjohnson3630

Жыл бұрын

@@amisguidedgh0st LOL. Your a better detective than they are.

@bitofeverything1111

Жыл бұрын

Good reference to murderous Murdoch

The Police dropped the ball and I have been saying this for the longest! Their actions, or lack there of, makes no sense! The fact that Alex said he shot Charles while Charles was standing and then the police, after removing Charles’ body, find a bullet strike mark (indentation) in the floor beneath Charles….which is a strong indication that Charles was lying down on the floor when shot. His behavior and Lori’s for that matter was strange when the police were talking to them. Alex had no blood on him, although he claimed to have given CPR to Charles. Also, the timeline shows that almost an hour passed by before Alex calls Police, even though he claims it was right after he shot Charles. The officer testified on this recording that the strike to the back of the head that Alex claims came from Charles hitting him with a bat, doesn’t fit with the wounds Alex had. So, with all this evidence not making sense, why was Alex never arrested during the time he was alive?!? I watched Alex’s police interrogation and could not believe they let him walk out of that room when they were done! The 👮🏻‍♂️ 👮🏻‍♀️👮🏾dropped, fumbled and forgot the ball as far as I’m concerned! 🤦🏾‍♀️ Ridiculous! 😤

@DK-pl8xd

Жыл бұрын

How come their testimony, so far indicates they knew something was fishy. Didn’t the prosecutor try to get it in that the police don’t make the final determination, but the judge wouldn’t let it in.

@sunnyday4616

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@kaitlinshaw6567

Жыл бұрын

They sure did, and when Charles was begging for help and Lori willing went in with Tylee and Mel G. They fell for her manipulation and lies, they failed Charles, Tammy, and most of all thise innocent sweet babies. I put money on if the cops hadn't protected Mel Bs kids and arrested her when they did, had she left with those kids with Alex that her kid's wouldn't be here as well. Soo many adults not being charged for their true role in these horrors.

@vickies197

Жыл бұрын

you weren’t there and you watch to many fake crime shows , the cops did lie on the stand cos original police report was put out as self defense! Plus when you shoot someone you are taken into custody that day and held

@mbowman4436

Жыл бұрын

Alex left the room and therefore, he was safe. He brought back a gun and called it self defense is BS.

Lordy she used Kay repeatedly as an excuse to many people but chose to kill him rather than letting Kay have this young boy so Lori could keep getting money rather than get a job like normal people do. Kay and Larry I am so sorry that she didn't just let JJ come to you if she no longer wanted him. She told so many people that he was with you. You are both in my prayers and acknowledge how hard this is.

@tru3293

Жыл бұрын

What's even sadder is that once Lori is put away they still don't have the rights to J.Js remains. They will legally go to Colby.

@Linda-dr7vp

Жыл бұрын

I believe that even if she would lose money from raising JJ she didn't want Kay to have him. It would have given Kay happiness. Narcissists don't want to give joy to others but especially Kay.

@kathismith7441

Жыл бұрын

She hated Kay.

@user-qv4ni9hd8m

Жыл бұрын

Lori also told law enforcement that J.J. was at her friend, Melanie Gibbs's home, when he was not!

@nataliamallahi7043

Жыл бұрын

Well said

This cop was worthless when interviewing Alex after the murder of Charles. WATCH the video of the actual incident. The police ruled it originally as SELF DEFENSE. Unbelievable.

@nataliepowell4806

Жыл бұрын

That was the biggest mistake and I think led to those children being killed, he should of been behind bars

@littlemcruzat

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! It was obvious their stories didn't add up. If Lori wasn't as pretty as she was, those kids would still be alive. She is a master manipulator and sociopath.

@kimberlynance2711

Жыл бұрын

@@nataliepowell4806 absolutely!!!

@kimberlynance2711

Жыл бұрын

@@littlemcruzat 100%

Great work Nate! I look forward to seeing these daily updates and listen while I am driving up and down the roads. I been following and watching you from the beginning in 2019!

If Chad or Lori ever gave me a "blessing"I would need an exorcism for sure 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@lesiabriceno8224

Жыл бұрын

Your right about that. That’s a shame they called this stuff a blessing. We shell all die one day wouldn’t want to be them. Doing all this in God’s name.

So JJ was already in Charles rental car...Lori took Charles phone, ran into the house...he followed, pissed off, wanting his phone back....ambush.

@lesiabriceno8224

Жыл бұрын

Right and the dame police didn’t even catch any of that. I guess if you want to get away with murder then go to Arizona. What a mess they have there. I listened too all the interviews and they were all different it’s insane that Lori and Alex weren’t in jail. Crazy!!!

@shelleyplemons1362

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@kimberlynance2711

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! Supposedly Charles had put JJ in the car, realized he didn’t have his phone, and went back inside. And, apparently after everything happened, Lori had to go buy flip flops because JJ was barefoot. I have a real hard time believing that Charles, would have taken JJ out of the house, to go to school, with no shoes! There’s something wrong with that.

Excellent show and reporting, Nate!! Thank you for working so hard to keep us informed, especially the courtroom updates as they are happening. You are a gifted reporter! You truly go above and beyond. Enjoy your weekend.

She's going down! Can't wait for sentencing day.

Broke my heart hearing David talk about the kids. JJ playing and Lori using Tylees desire to go to college and be independent as an excuse, when she knew she took that opportunity away. 💔💔

"So hows your wife?" 'Oh she's fine, shes about to die and I'm gonna be with lori' "Oh ok cool" 🤦‍♀️

interestingly neither Malanie nor David heard this JJ 'freak out' that morning with him climbing on counters and fridge, and cupboards, screaming he loves Santan and knocking pictures of Jesus to the ground..yet Melanie heard David having a nightmare in another room.. What time in the morning did all this happen? What time did Alex come get JJ and what time in the morning did Melanie and David wake up and prepare to leave?

@wendywoobles

Жыл бұрын

I think I recall Melanie saying they woke up between 8:30am and 9am but I could be wrong on that, so apologies if I am. As far as what time Alex took JJ, I haven't heard this mentioned.

The defense consistantly refuses to cross examine the Arizona witnesses which is a big mistake for them and a great thing for justice for Charles, Tylee, Jj and Tammy

@amydaniels6442

Жыл бұрын

I believe this is a tactic to use for grounds for an appeal later. The defense has strongly argued and objected in previous hearings that Arizona events shouldn’t be bright into the Idaho case. They were shot down more than once, so I believe the defense is staying quiet for this reason.

@inadz.1111

Жыл бұрын

They also barely cross others

@mbowman4436

Жыл бұрын

They want to use the AZ testimony as an appeal. If they cross examine they can’t. Bill Cosby got off on the 401b evidence.

@lesiabriceno8224

Жыл бұрын

I disagree if you listen to lawyers reacts he is a defense attorney he said that they can’t set up anything like that just so they can do a appeal. He said they could lose there licenses and be fined.

Laurie thought she was the beneficiary of the insurance claim and she was so pissed. She blamed Kay and was done with these kids. She hated Kay.

@maureenmcconnell5592

Жыл бұрын

I think neither of them care for each other

Alex was Lori’s flying monkey 💯

With this happening I reqatched the sins of our mother on Netflix, and soo many people and officers failed. Charles, Tammy, JJ, and Tylee.

It's a shame that this wasn't televised

I know David's "out there" but his little meek voice sounds very sweet and kind. He's having to tell the same story from Chad's last trial to this one. It can't be easy. Plus the guy is nearly deaf 👂

I also think that she killed Ryan and Alex and caused there heart attack's. They should have checked if she had given them Potassium Chloride or some other deadly poison. She's an Evil. Woman 😠

@Monalisa0622

Жыл бұрын

Maybe even her sister.....

@jencendiary

Жыл бұрын

@@Monalisa0622 Stacy Cox Cope had a tragic death, and definitely a look into how the Cox family enabled each other's dysfunction. But she died of a perfectly explainable illness after unregulated diabetes and an untreated eating disorder.

@mistyize

Жыл бұрын

Right? I always found Alex's death a little too convenient.

@SharonChasse

Жыл бұрын

Let’s talk about Lori and T finding Joe a month later seems sus and how she walked over Charles dead body to leave wow! She is so guilty

@Monalisa0622

Жыл бұрын

@jencendiary Thanks for the info. Didn't know the facts. But yes this family is extremely dysfunctional

I can’t help but think- why didn’t the prosecutor ask if there was any loud noise or crying during the night? If JJ “had an episode “ wouldn’t he have been hollering and crying? Surely her apt wasn’t sound proofed?

@SerenDipity64711

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing. Also David Warwick claimed he had the worst nightmare of his life, but couldn't remember anything about it!! I just don't believe he and Melanie then asked Chad for a Blessing! Really! in the middle of the night?? David claimed he asked if JJ was ok, the next morning as well. It doesn't add up.

So when melony said she was not apart of the way Lori believed then why was she a part of these get togethers and pod casts or gatherings

@kimberlynance2711

Жыл бұрын

Oh she was very much a part of it all.

@MsFitz134

Жыл бұрын

I assume because she is ashamed and just can't accept that she actually was part of it. I had a relative leave a cult about 5 yrs ago, and his comment was (and still is) "I never actually believed it". Although 15 years ago he was constantly trying to convert us and insisting we were all going to hell if we didn't. So 🤷🏼‍♀️ I think ya did believe it, it just hurts to admit it.

@Virgo71717

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. MG was at everything that went on.

Thank you, Nate! We love u in Puerto Vallarta 💜

My heart bleeds for JJ Vallow, who had to suffer the losses of his loving stepfather and sister before being murdered by this psycho! I hope she gets the death penalty in Arizona for what she did to Charles!!

@jennifermeaslesmankus

Жыл бұрын

*father

Lori was really counting on getting her grubby hands on the life insurance policy (Charles). Wish I could have been invisible to have witnessed her meltdown!

@kathismith7441

Жыл бұрын

Oh she had a meltdown during Arizona cops interrogation.

Thank you for the audios. I'm following the case from Curitiba, Brazil.

@tmp1111

Жыл бұрын

olá!

@salishseas

Жыл бұрын

Cool! I’d love to go there 🎉

@tammy5926

Жыл бұрын

Hola! 👋

*12:35* Alex probably hit himself in the head but didn't want to do it too hard because it hurts to get hit in the head 🙄 Explains why his wound wasn't too bad and certainly not consistent to a hard hit in the head with a bat by an athletic man like Charles.

This trial proves that churches and cults should be taxed to the highest amount possible and cults should be monitored closely.

@lesiabriceno8224

Жыл бұрын

YES!!!

@MsFitz134

Жыл бұрын

That's going to be tough to do under the US Constitution. I agree we definitely have a cult problem and let churches run wild, but in the US you can't investigate based on religion, you have to have compelling evidence of a crime being committed. Even if you *know* something suspicious is happening, by law you need enough proof to justify a search warrant or else they can easily argue it's a violation of the constitution and have it thrown out of court. For example back in 2008 people thought it was suspicious that the FLDS were building a compound in Texas. But law enforcement couldn't go in there just because they dress funny and keep to themselves and have a lot of kids. Those things are not crimes. Someone had to call and report abuse in order to justify a search. And it was a big fiasco when they found out the call was a prank, because of the legal precedent it could set. Same story different cult. Charles even went to police concerned that Lori would do something. But believing you're a goddess and your husband is possessed isn't illegal. He had no proof she was actually plotting to kill him. The most they could offer was a restraining order.

I would pay my hard earned money to listen to an audiobook read by detective Nathan His voice is amazing and so theatrical ❤

@Mean.Devil77787

Жыл бұрын

Ew.

@janetpeterson8366

Жыл бұрын

He reminds me of Harry Bosch.

Thank You NATE EATON #East Idaho news 📰 and FAMILY.

Melanie: "David is a righteous man." David: *becomes the first witness to blatantly violate the exclusionary rule* April's situation was a little easier to give grace to because someone else reached out to her. But this, where he intentionally sought out the testimony, decided to watch it, and got 45 minutes into it before remembering "oh yeah, I'm not supposed to do this"? I don't buy it.

@MsFitz134

Жыл бұрын

After seeing David's testimony in Chad's prelim, I wasn't surprised. He might be a "righteous man" and a good guy, but he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. John Pryor was not kind and used that to try to discredit his testimony.

She was having a good old time with the cops because she thought she was $1,000,000 richer.

TY Nate and the EIN team.

I've often wondered if David would have bought that property, if that was part of Lori and Chad's plan and maybe that's where they would have buried JJ and TyLee.

Wish this was televised

Nice aduio coverage of this trial. Flows very well. Wish it had visual coverage but done very well.

Why would they make a boy with autism give up his room?

@SerenDipity64711

Жыл бұрын

poor child..pulled from pillar to post, lived on junk food, didn't know if he was coming or going can you imagine the turmoil of his life?

Religion is nutty AF- this case underscores it in spades. Newsflash, "mormon lite" is just crazy as this crazy version. Holy crap. These people live among us, having visions and thinking God talks to them special.

Rule is there for a reason. David Warwick should not be allowed as a witness.

the issue with Melanie’s husband is annoying cause they are married it’s not like They haven’t talked about Lori and all this stuff a million times over lol there’s nothing new in whatever he heard her say

Money is the root of all evil. Bless those precious children as well as the adults who were destroyed.

@solitudestanding1163

Жыл бұрын

Evil is the root of all evil. Money is just like anything else: a tool that can be used for good or for bad. Lori and Chad are both mentally ill narcissists who have no conscience.

@british.scorpion

Жыл бұрын

Wrong quote, it is the LOVE of money that is the root of all evil, not money.

@roux2689

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate your quotes. “Money is the root of all evil” is my belief.

In her phone call with Colby Lori tells him you were not there so you don’t know what happened when Colby asks her why his siblings were murdered. I seriously want to know how the hell she, Chad and Alex justified murdering a 17 year old…..how was Tylee killed exactly? Why would JJ’s hands be bound? I don’t get it?

@joanclaytonjohnson3630

Жыл бұрын

Sadly we may never know how Tylee died. However the text to Tammy was very telling and I wonder if she was drugged and shot. I think Chad learned a lesson on how hard it is to destroy a body by fire and did not attempt with JJ.

@zombiejerry3105

Жыл бұрын

You don't understand murder?

@tammy5926

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if they bound him and then taped his mouth after they drugged him. Then put the plastic over his head to suffocate him. I don't think any of them wanted to be the one to kill him with their own hands. This way they could tell themselves he stopped breathing. They could justify their evil actions. Poor kids.

Gun shot residue test for all when Charles killed? The first officer sad the shot didn’t match Alex story. Plus the murder was 40 minutes to 60 minutes before they called it in!!!!?!?!?! Then the officers just chummy with Lori in the street. Then they all drive to police station then they head to a party. Huh

@donnaj257

Жыл бұрын

This needs to be investigated as to why Moffat dropped the ball on investigating further. Both of these children would be alive today had Alex had been arrested.

@donotrobme9295

Жыл бұрын

@@donnaj257 and./or Lori akso

@maryannwalters8475

Жыл бұрын

That whole town is filled with Mormons. They all stick together. Just like Warren Jeff’s crew.

I don’t know why I get the feeling that Melanie Gibbs husband, David didn’t want to testify. How do you watch a whole 45 minutes of the case before realising you’re not supposed to? I think he was trying to jeopardise his chances of testifying in this case.

@athenaferguson910

Жыл бұрын

I was hitting my head listening to this man on the stand. It’s like talking to a damn toddler.

@susandyer6624

Жыл бұрын

David seemed off the very first time I saw him interviewed. He’s enamored by these women aka brainwashed.

What do they put in the water in Idaho is what I’m wondering …

@AdamGoNoles

Жыл бұрын

I demand to know if Lori Vallow Halloween masks will be this truly disturbing thumbnail Nate has unleashed on all of our mindgrapes for decades to come. Stare at her for more than 44 seconds and you might never enjoy awful interpretive dance again...because when Lori dances even Jesus Christ cant help whispering to an apostle, "bro...she serious?"

@ajordan1976

Жыл бұрын

Idaho is a very large state. Our water comes from deep underwater glaciers. Probably the cleanest in the country. Idaho doesn't claim these dangerous morons. It's Utah we need to be worried about.

@margenek

Жыл бұрын

Such a good question…

@jencendiary

Жыл бұрын

Repression and religious zealotry.

@megmeyer7563

Жыл бұрын

They put too much LDS mentality in the water

Lori (The goddess)is toast. 😊 She is dead behind the eyes. Laughed at her son for accusing her.

I believe they are married (Gibb and Warwick) because spouses cant testify against one another. Slick move by Gibb, again.

@couturestalker8606

Жыл бұрын

I’m so glad we got to listen to him chug a gallon of water

@veronicamcatee1

Жыл бұрын

Gibb is in this much deeper than she’s trying to make out. She was there every time

Whoa, did I pick up on something that may have been an issue for Lori? She told the nanny her daughter didn’t like to babysit unless she was “paid.” If you know a narcissist, they will always inject some kind of truth into their lies and story telling. I bet ANYTHING, Tylee was getting pissed that her mom was controlling so much of her money, I mean that part is obvious, but for Lori to just offer this info up to the brand new nanny? About her “not liking to babysit unless she was paid.” Not only did Lori want those kids out of the way, but Tylees money was a HUGE part of her murder. It wasn’t a warped religious reason. She murdered her for the sole reason that she wanted her money without getting in arguments with T about it.

@justsomelovelylady

Жыл бұрын

I noticed the same thing! I wondered why either attorney didn’t follow up with a “were YOU going to be paid?” type of question, bc why wouldn’t you pay your daughter if you’re paying someone else? That obviously wasn’t why Tylee wouldn’t watch JJ, but I bet she got a nanny bc she didn’t want to give any money back to Tylee for any reason bc they fought about it and didn’t want to “concede” to paying Tylee any money back. (Even though it was hers) Then wanted to have it to hold against her, like she held the kids being dead against Colby for not being there. Poor kids

@coletteterrasson5350

Жыл бұрын

​@@Mataylor17 you have explained everything extremly well. Thank you... Do you by chance follow Lori Matthias and her husband John Matthias who is a criminal psychologist? They have very intersting insights as well...

@SerenDipity64711

Жыл бұрын

@@Mataylor17 I 100% agree with all you said. I just hope the jury see it too.🤞🤞

1:15:57 "There’s a reason we have rules" is absolutely HILARIOUS coming out of the mouth of a murderer's defense attorney.

She killed these 2 kids because she wasn’t left in Charles life insurance. She was pissed off after that and wanted to get even with Kay the sister who he changed the will. Lorie was angry as heck and done with these kids.

@challanger275

Жыл бұрын

From what I’ve been listening to she never had a job and she was living off the kids Social Security payments from the government. Now I want to know how was she managing to live without a job and going to oldies conventions,

Nate so heavy he's getting shoutouts from the STAND? Impressive

Interesting that the defense attorney didn't bring up the issue of seeing Melanie's testimony to the jury like the judge said he could, to demonstrate questionable testimony/reliability.

@missvickimae1150

Жыл бұрын

They’ll likely address that in closing arguments imo.;)

How come they didn't check to see if Charles' fingerprints were on the bat? Or even ask if Charles' fingerprints were found on the bat?

@lesiabriceno8224

Жыл бұрын

What went on there was crazy I just can’t understand what was going on with those cop.

Whats scary is Alex should have Bern arrested right then and there while they sort it out and the children would be alive

When and why did the court Change to referring to the defendant as (only) Lori Vallow, instead of Lori Vallow DAYBELL ?

@cel8276

Жыл бұрын

I've been wondering the same...... if she is married to Daybell why aren't they referring to her as such, she has requested to be called Daybell in past court proceedings also.....🤷‍♀️

@AuntCathyPooh

Жыл бұрын

I believe it's because she didn't officially change her last name before she was arrested. Someone early in the trial said that was why.

@cel8276

Жыл бұрын

@@AuntCathyPooh thank you😊

@conniestone6251

Жыл бұрын

@@cel8276 I know, it’s really weird because they (court and Lori) made such a big deal about it for months and years…!

@Kay-fv7cw

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't sound like she changed her name. Normally, after marriage, you request a name change with social security and they send you a new card with new name. BUT, we know she wasn't going to do that...hence no surviving spouse/caregiver money.

She even sold JJ’s assistant dog because the little boy needs a dog Imagine that

@terryjewell4893

Жыл бұрын

She didn't get to sell the dog ( not permitted ) trainer took him back.

At this point, Lori has nothing to lose and should take the stand

@shelleyplemons1362

Жыл бұрын

She has EVERYTHING to lose and I’m very concerned not enough direct evidence but hoping so!!!!

Lies and deception in the name of the lord, how Blasphemous.😡

the things these folks believe... SHEEEESH!!! 😂

Is there a timeline of Lori's moves. I have trouble keeping track of where she lived. Fort Ogden, Florida We have followed you and this story from the Meline Gibb interview. Your coverage is very thorough and you find the best sources. I.E. realtor who felt dark presence in home. Thank you. We also follow the secret Santa and questions with your daughter.

Arguing with a mentally unhinged liar is beyond exhausting. Colby will be much happier when he can reach a place of understanding that none of this is his fault and isn't something that can be figured out. His mother is sick and evil and unfortunately she met up with other sick and twisted people and they played out their sick fantasies together. I hope he can move on

Defense almost sounds like they are adding light to her guilt. Lol

These people are delusional! How can they believe these things are real?? The gullability of Americans is astounding anymore

@AriesRising4444

Жыл бұрын

The gullibility of anyone in the world who believes in religion is astounding. Humans evidently have some genetic propensity for it. I am thankful to have missed that gene.

Are we going to get to hear from a doctor about her diagnosis? I am very curious to hear about that.

Asked you this before Nate, but will you go try to interview Lori after shes sentenced? Write a book?

Yes Melanie’s husband broke the rules clearly. Funny they are separated. Karma maybe? Strange group for sure. A blessing for a nightmare, a grown man, lol! I think Melanie Gibb and her husband are not as innocent as they pretend to be.

"a vision is pretend"? Touche Archibald

Or if who's fingerprints were on the bat?

So many commercials I can't leave for more then five minutes to hit skip... Hard to follow 😢

Wow! I'm so surprised David Warwick was allowed to testify! It doesn't make sense, but damn, the state almost missed out on a crucial witness. I wonder what Melanie thought about this.

@susandyer6624

Жыл бұрын

David Warwick has always seemed off, this testimony was off the rails. The State was helped by the Defense cross, he’s a nut. Wonder when his mommy Melanie will call it quits.

@lesiabriceno8224

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think Melanie was going to say much to David because she knew what it meant to do those castings. I believe that she was ok with Lori after Charles was shot she was still doing those stupid podcasts. She was involved and so was Z and the other Melanie.

Was there any description of the bat and the evidence found on it like Alex blood and Charles and Rylee’s fingerprints and did that evidence match Alex’s description of events. Did the bat have an area of blood and matching shape of the cut on Alex’s head? 1:43:42

🤨🤨‼️ How rude of Melanie that she is mad at David when you can clearly hear he is really sick‼️😒😒

Thank you David for mentioning East Idaho News!!!😉😉😉😎

@tammy5926

Жыл бұрын

When he was trying to remember the KZread channel I kept saying "East Idaho News" 😂

Listening to David Warwicks testimony is rough with headphones. With all the gulping, heavy breathing and the sounds as if he’s sucking on a mint/cough drop (idk). If you have misophonia I’d def skip it.

@maryannwalters8475

Жыл бұрын

So true, he is driving me crazy

@SerenDipity64711

Жыл бұрын

that comment made me giggle🤭

Imagine having to be her lawyer…he needs strength and grace for a most difficult job done well imo.

@edf9682

Жыл бұрын

It’s a job most people wouldn’t or couldn’t do but it’s an absolute necessity in our justice system. We all say they’re slimy or callous but they all take an oath to fully represent their clients.

@sharonsanford7100

Жыл бұрын

JA doesn't represent all his clients to the fullest

@edf9682

Жыл бұрын

@@sharonsanford7100 oh do tell what do you know?! I don’t know who he is.

@lisacox4609

Жыл бұрын

Totally understand personal experience

Why are there adds every 2 minutes 😔

@DK-pl8xd

Жыл бұрын

Someone in another thread said if you fast forward through to the end and then rewind when it starts over again it’s ad free. Try this and let me know if it works.

Why has Davids hearing drastically improved since his testimony in Chads case where he was struggling to hear anyone?

@Kay-fv7cw

Жыл бұрын

Possibly, he turned up the hearing aid or a new one.

@kiwimema4300

Жыл бұрын

@@Kay-fv7cw he didn’t have one at all at chads hearing because they gave him one. I thought it was dodgy and so did prior, who goes to something like that knowing they are so hard of hearing.

She looks so rough in this photo. I'm thinking she is a ZOMBIE 🧟‍♀

As much as my heart aches so much for those innocent kids, hearing them talking about the day Charles Vallow died makes me cry. That man did everything for those kids. He tried to protect them and wanted to be a good husband and father. He even tried to warn the police about what was to come and they still did not listen. Because of that Charles lost his life, and now the kids are gone. Charles, JJ, and Tylee deserved better. The police 100% dropped the ball. All the evidence pointed to Charles’ death being a homicide. I can only imagine what Kay and Larry feel. To lose your brother and grandson by these monsters. I hope they sue the police for their incompetence.

He needs to quit talking

The prosecution definitely took a risk putting David Warwick on the stand. On one hand, I get it, because he was there the last night J.J. was seen, and had personal interactions with Chad and Lori. But on the other hand, they had to know that his fringe beliefs and participation with the PAP events would likely get brought up by the defense in order to hurt his credibility. Tough call, but I don't think the prosecution's case against Lori was damaged at all. I still believe justice will be had for J.J., Tylee, Tammy, and Charles. 🙏

Did you all catch Warwick say he listened to his wife’s testimony for 45 mins and thinks it was possibly East Idaho News? Creepy…

Chad didn't bring a blessing, He brought the evil.😢

Wow if she isn’t convicted along with her sick husband and friends I’ll give up on the justice system

My heart ♥ goes out to Kay and Larry, and Colby. I hope that they turn Tylees and JJ body's over to Kay and Larry, AND Colby soon. That should have been done along time ago, I don't know why they have kept their bodies doesn't make sense to me. 😢😢😢😢😢

@joanclaytonjohnson3630

Жыл бұрын

Have to keep them in till both trials AND appeals are done. It sounds awful to me, and I have never heard of this happening before. Kay and Larry wanted to bury them but were told they had to wait. Chats trial may be years away unless he does a plea deal.

@Kay-fv7cw

Жыл бұрын

​@@joanclaytonjohnson3630 Families get the body back all the time. This is ridiculous to hold their remains for this long.

What, if any, other big or serious cases has Archibald participated in?

Will they have testimony from medical examiner explaining autopsy reports?

@SerenDipity64711

Жыл бұрын

they normally do.

This Guy smh...He was listening to what she wass being asked and the answers she was giving so he did not mess up and further incriminate himself or melanie. Charge ALL of them. Thats the only way Justice will be fully sought for the lives taken.