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@bustjanzupan1074

4 ай бұрын

What about braking the smallest gears instead of the axles's gears ? Is that an option ? Thank you 4 the video.

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this is the first time i understood a concept the first time i watched an explanation on it usually i have to watch it a couple times to fully grasp it but now i can make a lsd

Thanks. This channel covers so much.

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60 years or so ago, the Beach Boys had a song titled "409", the displacement of the V8 in the hot version of the Chevrolet Impala. Go dig up the lyrics - they include a reference to General Motors' trademark for their limited-slip differential ...

Assuming the car keeps going in a circular track of say 10 m radius in a clockwise direction seen from top will the left clutch wear out fast or the right clutch?

Which oil you use for the lsd diff

So how does it know when to lock and not when to lock? How does it know when it is going around a turn versus going straight? How does it detect these things?

@EngineeringMindset

Жыл бұрын

It just rotates faster as it turns. That will force the discs to slip. Put you hand on a surface like a kitchen counter, very slowly drag it backwards and you'll feel a lot of friction. Now pull your arm back fast and it'll slide straight across the surface, it'll overcome the friction

@EngineeringMindset

Жыл бұрын

The amount of force required to slip is already pre- determined by the manufacturer in the spring, although it is possible to adjust that in some versions

@Error-0x0194

Жыл бұрын

​@@EngineeringMindset I guess I'm looking for an illustration that shows the mechanism showing axles are not locked together when going around a turn. Otherwise it looks like friction all the time unless you are going straight. That means both rear tires will be fighting each other around turns leading to more tire wear.

@EngineeringMindset

Жыл бұрын

I have animated that exact scenario in the video, please pay close attention to the speed of the side gears. It's hard to illustrate because everything is rotating but it is shown in the video

@Error-0x0194

Жыл бұрын

​@@EngineeringMindset it is not clear what drives the forces on the clutches.

Thanks for the video! Just wondering, would the friction pads wear off and need to be replaced? How commonplace are limited differentials now?

@hojnikb

Жыл бұрын

on normal passenger cars, they are not that common. You can simulate LSD with an open diff using ABS/ESC. This is done by slightly breaking the free spinning wheel, so the torque transfers to the one with more grip.

@NevilleFuckenBartos

Жыл бұрын

Yes, on later Holden Commodore diffs. They are rubbish.

@alanhonlunli

Жыл бұрын

@@hojnikb wouldn't call it a simulation since the effect is the opposite of an open diff.

@alanhonlunli

Жыл бұрын

They do wear over time, but are generally overbuilt to last the life of the the car. In general, the differences in forces between the left and right side of the car are not great enough to induce much wear on these friction pads during normal driving, as opposed to a transmission clutch that has to deal with the forces of accelerating a car from a complete stop many times over the course of a trip. They're kind of a premium performance item, so you'll likely find them in more expensive sports cars. As we transition to electric motors, you'll see them less, as we can put individual motors on each wheel and modulate torque that way instead.

@yensteel

Жыл бұрын

Thanks a bunch guys!

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What if you have the limited slip differential on the front side (where you also have the stering). Does it work the same as on the back side, where the wheels are always parallel to one another? I mean in a situation where the wheels are steered. Does it also prevent sliping in that situation? I am asking this because you said that friction "adhesion" between the clutch disks and friction plates is broken when they are running at different speeds (00:02:13), so in theory there would be no adhesion left when the wheels are steered and you will end up drifting.

@alanhonlunli

Жыл бұрын

When you turn, the difference in the radius of the turning circle of the inner and outer wheel causes the outer wheel to have less rotational resistance. The differential will respond to that by sending more torque to the outer wheel. Rear wheels feel the same difference because even though you don't steer with them, they still have different turning radius, and the outer wheel will still need more torque to turn the wheels more in the turn. In a drift there are slightly different forces on each wheel even though they're all sliding, mostly due to weight transfer. An open diff will prevent wheels that have more friction from receiving more torque to continue the drift so in theory, it should help those wheels catch the road and stop the sliding.

@juperrr

Жыл бұрын

@@alanhonlunli I understand the part about the back wheels having different speeds even thought they are paralell to one another ( thing that happens when the car steers, etc.) but my main question is: does the limited slip differential prevent sliping in a situation where the car makes a turn and the outer wheel (the one that has the bigger radius from the center) encounters a surface that the wheel cannot grip onto, like a pudle of water while the other wheel is on a surface that has no problem griping onto (like rought asphalt). The video kind of made the point that the outer wheel (needing more power to finish the corner because it has more lenght to travel) , will have its clutch disks breaking the adhesion to the clutch friction pads and so the differential cannot prevent slipping anymore because once again the adhesion between the friction pads and the clutch disks is broken ! quote from 00:02:02 "However, if a certain amount of force or torque is aplied to the wheel than the two disks will brake the temporary joint and slip past each other"

@alanhonlunli

Жыл бұрын

@@juperrr when a car with an lsd hits a puddle of oil at the outer wheel during a turn, the car will lose grip at it highest point of contact, causing it to slide and understeer. The outer wheel which is already receiving more torque will get additional torque due to the loss in rotational resistance, but the lsd clutches will kick in and prevent that from happening. The clutch will direct some of the torque back to the inner wheels to allow the car to complete the turn. Because the outer wheel is coated in oil, it will continue to spin faster than the inner wheel, which will keep the clutch engaged, and divert torque to the inner wheel. The car remains drivable and controllable due to the limited slip. This scenario will produce understeer, understandably since the car is losing traction during a turn.

@soku330

Жыл бұрын

That would be called front wheel drive

damn this is really usefull

Why wouldn't the resultant effect of the LSD also defer to an open differential effect when going over the patch of ice for one of the wheels? Shouldn't it be the same as when turning a corner since there will be a difference in resistance between left and right bevel gear from difference in traction?

@seemslegit6203

11 ай бұрын

Its the other way around i think

A whole different kind of LSD 😉

And it does a great job till the friction material is gone. I like my ARB air locker. The diff is open till the air locks it. Great for 4 wheeling.

@mattrodgers4878

Жыл бұрын

Dual quad 4 speed positraxtion 409

This explanation is idiot (me) proof!! Thank you!!

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I think limited slip differential is better than open ones

@joshuaewalker

Жыл бұрын

I like turtles

Just weld the spider gears ! Then you always have plenty of traction …..!

And when the clutch pack wears out, the axle gears move outward away from the spiders. Not corrected, they can move enough to start skipping. Skip hard enough and it can crack your pumpkin. BTDT.

Not a great explanation. It is given in a way that can lead to misconceptions.

@bewertsam

Жыл бұрын

Elaborate?

@ExMachinaEngineering

Жыл бұрын

@@bewertsam Too long to elaborate. But open diffs do no respond to torque necessarily. They respond to rotational speed. Also look up LSD with ramps. Spring preloads are not used today and I don't know that they were ever used in a mass produced solution. More of a homemade racecar solution.

@VictorEstrada

Жыл бұрын

@@ExMachinaEngineering seems to me like you're just trying to get attention. Open diffs allow all rotational power to go to the wheel with less resistance, not too difficult to understand that. LSDs fix that problem.

@ExMachinaEngineering

Жыл бұрын

@@VictorEstrada Riiight... The fact remains that open diffs send more torque to the wheel with the higher rotational speed. That might seem insignificant to you but it is a major distinction. And a source of a common misconception. Like the one saying that in a straight line at speed an ice patch would cause one wheel to spin. It is highly likely that a small patch, when the vehicle is not accelerating will not cause anything of the sort. Also, LSDs do cause understeer exactly because they slightly hamper that rotational differential behaviour needed to corner freely. All of them except torsen or geared LSDs, which is a technology completely different to the clutch pack and preload shown here. So many tiny inaccuracies which could lead someone to have a skewed idea of how a diff works.

@alanhonlunli

Жыл бұрын

@@ExMachinaEngineering actually, the open diff is not responding to rotational speed, it's rotational resistance. The torque will go to the wheel of least resistance (tire friction).

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