Absolutely ridiculous, BUT also a sign that LRG knows their audience: Scalpers who'll never actually open this stuff. At some point they may just cut costs and go ahead and resort to the ol' "Stereo box full of bricks" trick.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Guess they didn’t count on weird D’s Diner Director’s Cut fans like me who already owned the damn game 🤣

@pedr0_m198

Ай бұрын

yep, most people who buy from lrg dont even open the games. Most keep them sealed and others just re sell them. Its so shitty they did this.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

So weird. I’d never leave it sealed

@Mike-B-Jackson

Ай бұрын

This. LRG are just sealed collectables. It could be a brick inside and nobody would care as long as it’s sealed and sells on eBay. Hahaha

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Haha they didn’t take me into account

So limited run is finally getting its comeuppance. People have been criticizing this company for a while now and they’re deserving of it

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Very deserving it seems

Quick update. Looks like limited run release an email to its customers and they're saying they're working with the distributor to make pressed versions of this game now. Only when this issue gains traction did they care. What a joke.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Hahahah we did it

@goatbone

Ай бұрын

Honestly that sounds like a good response.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Glad something is happening

@devilmikey00

Ай бұрын

@@goatbone It's one thing when a company has a defective product and corrects it swiftly, shit happens. This on the other hand is malicious cost cutting. They did this because they didn't think anyone would notice since this is a very niche game that isn't going to sell many copies and a lot of LRG's products end up in the hands of scalpers and shelf collectors who will never open it. They are correcting the issue because they got caught doing something underhanded, not because of some oversight or unforeseen defect. Is it better than nothing? Yes. Is it in any way worthy of praise given this circumstance? No. I mean they probably produced less than a 1000 of these and I bet they didn't even have a distributor for it. They probably just had some dude in the office with a CD burner bang these out then sent them to a local printer for the artwork on top the discs.

@cheater00

Ай бұрын

Well done homie! Victory!

Kenji Eno as an artist would be mad. His games were art and ahead of their time. It's a slap in the face that such low quality was allowed by LRG.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Yes of all the people, especially sadly no longer alive, to get such a cash grab reprint with zero effort

How can anyone trust any Limited Run disc releases going forward? What a disaster. I'm so glad I didn't buy it... thanks for sharing the situation.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

I wouldn’t trust them for a long time after this

@mattsephton

Ай бұрын

This is the latest in a long line of things like this, yet people still keep giving them money for things that arrive years late and not as described.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Sadly it’s true

@JLAvey

Ай бұрын

They know people keep coming back to them and will keep pushing how much they can cheat

@harperbolic

Ай бұрын

oiii edu! :D

I've been calling them Limited Scam for years. I also know a thing or two about CD-Rs since I burn tons for Dreamcast. They Cheaped out. CMC Pros and Ritek are what I use as they don't have cheap dyes. TDK does. Guess what Limited Scam used? TDK discs Ding ding ding

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Cheapest bulk they could get

@PopeTheRevXXVIII

Ай бұрын

A 600 pack of Riteks the ones I use are a little under $150 on Amazon. 2 Orders would make that money back. Of course they could also not cheap out and just press the discs

@tokyobassist

Ай бұрын

This release reminded me of the half ass Metalocalypse Complete Season that wasn't even in Blu Ray format, was $90 and the first run of it didn't even have the hour special that basically everybody wanted it for. Then the kicker was that they preorders ship out anyway then delisted the product from stores to fix the bad batches and someone not even part of the distribution company informed customers that they can receive a replacement disc. Wasn't advertised anywhere so a lot of people got screwed over.

@RdCrestdBreegull

Ай бұрын

@@tokyobassistwhich Metalocalypse season are you talking about?

@cheater00

Ай бұрын

Wtf?

And just like that, I will never give this company any business ever again.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

A popular sentiment today for sure

@mintydog06

Ай бұрын

They were good but I stopped buying from them a year or so ago.

@GeorgeZimmermen

Ай бұрын

I stopped after they became woke trash

@beefquiche

Ай бұрын

@@GeorgeZimmermen oh no, they also went woke? I notice a lot of grifter companies have jumped onto the woke bandwagon.

@GeorgeZimmermen

Ай бұрын

@@beefquiche you didn’t hear the story of the girl they fired last year and that whole debacle? I will never support them after that

I am, unfortunately, one of those people who actually bought this game. I can confirm that all the discs are burned CD-R's. What a damn joke, even companies who make unlicensed games for other consoles like PCE Works for the PC Engine make pressed copies that have high quality discs and packaging. This has been so disappointing. I did send a ticket requesting a return to Limited Run, but I highly doubt they'll even do anything about it.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Yeah I’m sure they will avoid the topic. Hence this video. Let’s make it go far and wide p

@NodakSavage

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsoterica solution, we as a whole just need to stop buying from this company. I gave up on them years ago to be honest with you.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

That’s my last purchase

@paperandpavement

Ай бұрын

I stopped buying from them when tbe whole "revenge of the Bird king" crap they pulled on everyone. Scum company

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

It’s like dozens of stories like this sadly

I think you've miss-understood the meaning of the name Limited Run. It refers to the the much more limited life-span of CD-Rs. You only have a limited amount of time to use the discs. It's basically high concept art that goes over most peoples heads.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

🤣 nice

I bet they thought no one was going to actually open it and try it out. Limited Effort.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Not only did I open it I did it in one shot so everyone could see just how garbage it is

@blandmanager

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsoterica They just completely tanked any good will they built up. So dumb!

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Oh yeah they won’t live this down

@MrVariant

Ай бұрын

Lol don't copy that floppy 💾

@bustywaifus

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsoterica Do you think they'll ever release their other 3D0 game Plumbers don't wear ties?

I'm glad everyone is speaking about this. Limited Run has some really shady practices. Artificial scarcity and horrible customer service. They act like a humble little game company carrying the flag for game preservation but they do things I would expect from EA or some shady Chinese company

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Cloaking themselves with preservation while selling CD-Rs

This is wild! It sucks when companies hate their fans.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Just seeing people as wallets they can reach into and extra cash for nothing

@chesterfieldthe3rd929

Ай бұрын

WOTGREED stand up!!!

@yellowblanka6058

Ай бұрын

Companies don’t care about your loyalty, just your money. They’re not our friends - vote with your wallet.

Does anyone else remember that one guy wearing a 3DO shirt on Monday night (2024) Raw in the front row. That was good advertising for a dead console

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Haha no but that’s awesome

@drewhertel2462

Ай бұрын

Pepperidge farms remembers....

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

🤣

@mexicool187

Ай бұрын

@@drewhertel2462 and so do I..

Limited Run quality has taken a huge dive over the last few years. Not only that, but prices on many of their collectors versions are absolutely mental. I've got a few pre-orders with them from last year. I've had issues with LR over the last few years, but this is definitely the final nail for me.

@movienerd202

Ай бұрын

It's always been a cash-in on the nostalgia factor.

I'm a longtime viewer that usually enjoys your arcade game overviews, but I'm really happy to see you speak out about this issue. The last time I bought from LRG was for River City Girls and VA-11 Hall-A. I already knew they were pretty scummy pushing artificial scarcity and forcing people to set reminders for a certain date when pre-orders would open and promptly sell out within 10 minutes. But even worse is they're still running the practice of keeping your money hostage for an entire year before even receiving the product. It's not surprising that they would try to cut corners despite the community taking notice of their recent releases in the last few years being of particularly lower quality. Thanks to your video though, the issue is blowing up on twitter and hopefully other social media platforms and they won't get away with this. Big respect to you for putting your reputation on the line and doing what's right. I hope this is enough to deter consumers from supporting LRG again, and I hope LRG at least makes good on this and sends out replacements/offers refunds. What a shame those who carried Kenji Eno's legacy trusted this company and LRG couldn't even get it right with over a years worth of time to prepare and ensure everything was up to the high standards they proudly claim they have.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

I normally don’t do videos like this as I don’t find them “fun” but this def needed to be addressed

They claim they had issues with traditional reproduction, because supposedly different 3do consoles were struggling with the results. So, for compatibility sake, they went with CDRs, only to find out that didn't work either (I mean, obviously?). IDK. It sure does feel cheap, even though they claim it wasn't done as a cost-reduction measure. There's an article on time extension for anyone interested.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

I don’t buy that at all. 3DO is a standard disc with Opera file system sized sectors. Nothing unique about them at all

@devilmikey00

Ай бұрын

They are a corporately owned company as of 2022 (Embracer group). It's cost cutting 100%. It's not even really a question, line must go up. Article is just PR fluff to cover for cost cutting.

@37Kilo2

Ай бұрын

Embracer is a shitshow and an absolute curse for gamers. They've sunk so many good studios and projects due to greed.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Everything they’ve touched seems to go badly

@mastermaniac1911

Ай бұрын

Embracer are a bunch of non-gaming idiots who think all they have to do to make money is to throw around some capital. They're scum, and barely more intelligent than your average wet sock.

It seems like every part of the gaming industry is collapsing all at once. What a total shit show. I am so glad I just play old games.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

It hasn’t been a good 18 months

@mastermaniac1911

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsoterica For anyone, really.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Haha sadly no

@tokyobassist

Ай бұрын

The moment the founders sold off the company to Embracer and quit (not saying much because the COO especially was a weirdo), this was going to be a sinking ship. Limited Run is going to go away before long because it's probably in Embracer's best interest (and platform holders) to have their purchases be digital versus physical sadly.

@ChristianSombra

Ай бұрын

Same, I’m opting out of all these new games and sticking with my childhood games

D’s NUUUUUUTS!!! Loved the custom Cdr art

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Not many people got the joke 🤣

@adventuretaco7140

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsoterica fools!

They should get sued for it.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

I wouldn’t blame anyone for trying

This is what happens when a company make games for shelf collectors

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Seriously seems like they didn’t expect anyone to open it

@ShadyPlatinum777

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsoterica it’s a joke

@cs9927

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsotericaand that the problem… too much $$ to waste on this company

as a fan of boutique blu ray labels, it's a shame that the video game boutique publishers are so lacking and bad most of the time

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Boutique film reissues beat out the gaming market for sure

@yatheo2969

Ай бұрын

We need a Kino or Criterion equivalent to games but I don't see that happening.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Maybe one day

So sad, bro! Kenji Eno's up there with Fumito Ueda as one of my favorite people in games period! Ueda even got his start under Eno's wing, working on Enemy Zero as a WARP member! His works and memory deserves more than this lazy effort. Very disappointing. 😢 i originally subscribed to you when i saw you were one of the Eno tribe! Loved your vids on the OG D2 protypes! Cheers to Eno. I hope he isnt rolling in his grave! I'm sure he'd have hand delivered them if he could and would have a word with LRG for their desecration of his masterpiece! Peace.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Ueda working with Eno makes perfect sense. You can see Eno in his work

@hermes_job_observer144

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsoterica I've heard he actually did some work on D as well as Enemy Zero. I'd like to know if he worked on the OG D2 prototype and what he did. The early CG he created for Ico back on PS1 has similar tones imo.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

I’ve always tried to get in contact but as of yet have not been successful

@cheater00

Ай бұрын

Eno os rotating in his grave at 10000 RPM (these discs would shatter and fall apart at that rotational frequency)

Hey, good coverage on this. LR needs to be called out.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Glad you appreciated it. I don’t ever do videos like this. Hope I don’t have to again in the future

@PandaMoniumReviews

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsoterica I know the feeling. Crazy to see the very obvious ring you usually see on a burned CD-R on something like this.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

I heard it was CD-R yesterday afternoon and first thing this morning after I got my AM video out I moved to shooting this. I still can’t believe that’s what they shipped

Gotta say I'm really curious to see how they try to spin this to save face. There obviously is no excuse, but I'm dying to see what their "excuse" is.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

If they are smart say “manufacturing error” and replace all discs with pressed copies

@joshuakelly9390

Ай бұрын

They're replying on twitter now: "Hey, there! We are actively working with our disc replication partners to provide replacement pressed discs for our customers. We do invite any customer experiencing an issue to request a full refund by visiting: "

@RegalEagle1979

Ай бұрын

@@joshuakelly9390 HAHAHA. Of course they're passing the blame onto their anonymous vendor. I had a feeling they would go that route. As if they never got a chance to see any of these burned CDRs before they got shipped to customers.

@toadofsky_

Ай бұрын

I wouldn’t doubt they thought they could get away with this

The crazy thing about companies like this thinking they can get away with obvious cost-cutting measures is that the niche that splash out money for these physical releases are in general going to be more likely to notice. This isn’t some mass market PS5 game, but a re-release of a game for a console that was niche on release.

Stupid question but what is the difference between a burned and a pressed disc? I somehow have never heard of the term pressed disc.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Pressed / replicated is a wholly diff process of producing optical media. It gets complicated but pressed is made from a glass master and plastics are then laid up and melted and “pressed” per disc. Higher quality / diff process / better reflective quality and longevity Duplicated / burnt is a dye layer that is burnt like your standard CD-R

Can't wait for them to make the same mistake with the Plumbers Don't Wear Ties release.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

If they did I bet they delay shipping now

Great vid and wanna say I love that you speak so highly of Kenji Eno. We lost a creative genius way too early.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Yes he more than likely had some amazing things to do still had he not passed away so early

I don’t feel so bad for missing the Plumbers Don’t Wear Ties order window.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Haha it’s def a…unique game

Horrendously disrespectful to Eno's legacy. Great video, thanks for making us aware.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Happy to do it but sad I had to

@Jamessonization

Ай бұрын

Hikiko! :D

MVG will be embarrassed to work for a company who scams their customers like this.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Let’s not bring anyone else into this. I’m sure he’s ten layers removed from it all

@jamescampbell6728

Ай бұрын

We've all worked for bad companies before. It's just how the world works. Sounds like most of his work has been porting old games to modern hardware which is great so he should be proud of his work

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Yes. He clearly has zero involvement and nobody should think differently

@ciaranmccarthy

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsoterica I know he isn't involved in this side of the business, but I would be embarrassed to be associated with such dirtbags.

@thomasnewfield9950

Ай бұрын

MVG boo!

They know a majority of their buyers are resellers and collectors, who only buy their limited releases to flip on eBay or to remain sealed and displayed on a shelf.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Maybe they never expected anyone to open this But jokes on them I don’t collect sealed haha

I'm such a fan of D and D2 that I married a blonde girl named Laura! 😆 Honestly though, I played D when she was nearby and was freaked out when Laura's D says her name! Wish I recorded it! Keep up the awesome content you release about arcade hardware!

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Haha that’s a great story. Love it! I married an Adriane. But she’s cool too

i just have started the video, i saw a twitter post from todd (retro frog) and i'm wondering, why its bad? What is the difference with a saturn or ps1 cd game?

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Many 3DO systems will not even boot these discs. Let alone the fact you don’t sell CD-Rs without telling people that’s what they are getting

@mercuryshadow09

Ай бұрын

A retail Saturn/PS1 won't play CD-R's.

When you press a cd in this case it sounds like it also matters what type of cd you use? I would like to get some inset into this as I looked it up on the net and still donhave a definite answer on the difference between a burn't and pressed Disc and why does a pressed disc last longer than a burnt disc? Thanks in advance

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

It’s all about reflectivity and longevity

D fans deserve so much better after paying a pretty penny for the Collector's Edition. I feel for you guys so much. I hope LRG gets sued because this is straight up fraud.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

No game should ship like this whether it’s D or any other game

Does the soundtrack CD have the bonus track hidden like on the original mini CD (track 99) or is it just the 3 songs that are listed on the disc? As a huge fan of this game (& all of Kenji Eno's games) I do feel like I need to get this even if it won't run on my 3DO. But I am disappointed that the game discs are burned & not professionally pressed. Hopefully Fumito Ueda gets credit this time for his contribution to the Director's Cut. But somehow I doubt it. I hear 2 music tracks from "D2" in the background. Nice touch. :)

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

That I’d have to check on. Haven’t as of yet. And yep I used that track. Such a great composition

@timmadone8930

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsoterica Okay let me know once you check. Speaking of Kenji Eno's music, do you have the 12" vinyl E.P. for music from "D2"? I don't remember the title of the E.P. but I believe it has a big D2 on the cover. As far as I know it has 3 to 5 tracks one of which is called "Snowbird" (possibly the Snowbird Mix of "Mexican Flyer" from Space Channel 5?). I don't own this but I'd sure like to have it. The cat no. is SCJD-100001.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

No that’s one i haven’t grabbed yet

That’s wild. Thanks for this insight video dude

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Happy to do it because it def needed to be done

Thank you for making a video. When the allegations came out, I was disappointed to find out there was no picture or video proof because I know people like to attack the company these days. This is pretty frustrating to see. I've had issues with them in the past but they were minor and they were able to help me. What a shame.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Yes that’s why I did the unboxing vid. So people knew it was a fact and I did it in one shot on camera

Wooooow. This is insane! I’m sorry this has happened to you and other customers. I’m glad I haven’t purchased from them in a long time.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

It shouldn’t happen to anyone but I’m glad I can showcase how bad it is

@IndubitablyRetro

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsoterica We are fortunate to have people like you. Thank you!

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Aww thanks. Appreciate that!

Hi, do you know of Eye of the Tyohoon from LRG are CDR?

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

No I don’t believe they are. Never heard anyone say anything about it

I was so chuffed, when I boughtthe 3DO D the director's cut from Japan. Yes I got it from eBay, but I don't care, I got everything with it proudly displaying with all my other 3do games. But thank you guys for tell me the limited run not a very good company to buy anything off. I will stick to buy off eBay or yahoo Japan 👍

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Yeah I’d def avoid anything LRG

I can’t help but comment that the Sony CD-R you show at 6:13 time stamp is one of the best quality CD-Rs imo for backing up 32-bit consoles, especially the Saturn 🤓 It’s been slightly better than the re-branded Taiyo Yuden for me when testing multiple burners and IMGburn at 4x. PX-716A = pairs well with it but also newer burners too ( pioneer XD05S/B ) Ok back to the topic.. 😁 thanks for sharing these details and showing the lack of a true press here! LRG should never cut corners like this

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Haha yeah I wasted a good blank just for a joke

Yeah, I was pretty pissed about this. Especially since it was not even stated as such on their page.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

As you should be and as everyone should be

Are the topsides silkscreen printed at least?

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Yes they seem to be

Im glad I stopped dealing with Limited Run, sorry that you went through this BS

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

It happens. At least I can point it out for everyone

This past year limited run has been really trying to remain relevant. Last year and two years ago they had a bunch of games I’d buy but now they’re kinda dry, this is just the cherry on top

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

They seem to be digging for content it’s true

imagine spitting on the legacy of Kenji Eno like this.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Seriously. He deserves much better

Imgburn will tell you what kind of disc you're working with. Burning discs cant be cheaper or less time consuming than pressings

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Whatever was on sale at Walgreens 🤣

that's terrible :( didn't know about this reprint and glad I missed it, but so disrespectful to such an important game

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

It’s not what any fans expected or wanted that’s for sure

Ooh, I have that Opinel. :D That aside, I empathise. Watching the movement of your hands it's pretty clear you were a bit miffed. :T

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

It’s a great knife. I love it

i hate that this happened but i am thankful that it brought me to your channel

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Welcome. Stay a while :) I’m usually happier than in todays video lol

@stupidbluebird

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsoterica i knew i was in good company once you sang the praises of kenji eno

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

He was one of the original greats of gaming story wise

I bought one game from them. That case was all warped and I just wanted a replacement case and they refused to honor that. Not to mention it took 6 months to get... Never bought from them again

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Yes the more I hear from people the more it seems their customer support is just “go away loser”

Not purchased anything from these scoundrels for years.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

I def won’t be ever again

OMG…. Hard to believe this. Thanks for revealing it.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Happy to do my part even if it’s a bummer I had to do it

@Aeonsparx

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsoterica I’ve just received a copy of their limited run PS4 Garou Mark Of The Wolves collector edition. I guess that’s still fine as I assume the disc are pressed by Sony. But this video has warned me from ordering anything else until further confirmation.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Yeah you can’t make PS4 discs without Sony’s involvement so anything modern has to pass checks

@Aeonsparx

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsoterica Yeah mate. I look up to Limited Run for them to inspired me to release our games in physical form too. After a few years of buying games digitally I've finally getting back to collecting physical games.

They need to fix this asap. This is from a channel that avoids controversy and conflict. Most reviews and stories here focus on the positive aspects so it's certainly different to see a negative review here but glad to see these types of things being brought to light. It's not fair trade in any sense so I hope there's a follow-up video with a decent final outcome to this story.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

I don’t wade into controversy because I dislike it but for this I say something. People pay money for a product and they better get what they paid for. Especially for a game as good as D

Their international shipping costs have increased, and are way too expensive now. I checked the price of the Rugrats NES cart, and it was around 100€ with the cheapest shipping option. Did not order it... This situation, censorship of certain games and the shady firing of an employee over brain dead reasons are really making me reconsider ordering many of their titles. I kinda wanted that Rondo of Blood rerelease, but I'm not wasting nearly 100€ on a PC-Engine cd-r. I also want to be excited for the Gex collection, but they'll probably censor it, without mentioning it on the listing. I used to order from them monthly back in the day...

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Ouch that’s a lot with shipping

Shocked at how bad this is. Thanks for highlighting this blatant exploitation

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Happy to do my part

One telltale sign you have a game on a CD-R, no Compact Disc wordmark on the artwork. All games on CD had the basic wordmark. Those CD-R's would either have to have the recordable wordmark (which they won't because that would have consumers refuse to buy them) or not have a wordmark on at all. If they added a basic wordmark like the original 3DO game CD has on those CD-R's, they would be violating the standard, committing trademark violation and duping consumers, leading to action from the FTC or trading standards or even legal action.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

So many ways to tell a CD-R there was no way LRG could ever hide it

That's really crummy but I must say, I'm a bit moved by how passionate you are about this game. I remember my brother renting it for PlayStation way back then and I was fascinated by it. I always wanted to give it a try myself. As a true fan of this title, you should absolutely take them to task.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

It’s just one of those games that hit me at the right time and add in the 3DO M2 connection and I was sold

For something expensive and well, limited run. This is completely unacceptable. Limitedrungames needs a fire put to their feet and let them know this isn't right. Thanks for making a video on this you're not the first but I feel yours is a bit more meaningful since you're probably the biggest D and Kenji Eno fan on the planet.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Horribly unacceptable

I’ve followed LRG ever since 2018 when they did limited collectors editions of the Jak and Daxter series (my favourite game series of all time) and every single run I’ve seen them do since then has been disaster after disaster. If it isn’t because of the in some cases > 2 years shipping times on their releases, it’s some other bs like this. How this company hasn’t gone under yet is astonishing. They make DKoldies look like a decent company.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

If they keep this up they won’t last much longer unless scalpers keep them in business

@desklaser

Ай бұрын

​@@VideoGameEsotericaScalpers are the only people keeping them in business. It's going to be hilarious when the market on them all crashes because there are just so many sealed copies of all of those games out there. None of them realize it's just beanie babies all over again.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

@desklaser yeah it doesn’t seem like many at all get opened

I am honestly curious what manufacturer of CD-r's Limited Run Games went with, because the quality burn media varies considerably depending who actually made it. Somehow I wish they went with the expensive stuff, but I doubt they did.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Yeah sadly that’s info we can’t glean from the discs

I feel the same way about this sort of thing. They will probably do the same with the Genesis re-releases of Zero the Kamikaze Squirrel & Aero the Acrobat 2.. Instead of using traditional PCB boards in the carts, they will probably use cheap flash carts.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

It’ll be interesting to see them opened up

LRG has really poor production quality. The USB stick in the C&C remaster is so flimsy I was scared to plug it in to copy the music files over. So cheap and nasty.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Def seems like they are on the bleeding edge of cheapness to max out profit margins

Side note: If someone has never played D before what is the best version to play?

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

D’ Diner Director’s Cut on 3DO

Wild. I was already put off by their ridiculous wait times ("we promise to deliver your order some time in the future after the chargeback window has lapsed"). This, on the other hand, is just inexcusable. Never again, Limited Run.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Def always seems past the chargeback window

Seriously messed up! I can't believe they would do this. You know they did it because they thought many of the people who bought it probably don't own an actual 3DO, and would never know what they did.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Assumed scalpers would buy them all to resell. Well they didn’t anticipate real 3DO fans. The dozens of us!

@METR0lD

Ай бұрын

R•E•A•L 3DO fans!

I don’t buy repros, like ever. If I were to do this, I’d buy a pack of CD-Rs and burn a game onto them. Hey, that’s what I’ve been doing on the Saturn and Dreamcast. I too use CD-Rs to burn awesome OSTs onto which consist of anime openings/closings, the music I grew up with (that being 2000s punk like Sum 41 and Fall Out Boy which I’m a huge fan of and is my favourite era of music btw) and video game tracks. I’ve been doing that since I was a kid. And I also remember getting a DVD-R for my birthday back when I was like 7 from my sister and it contained episodes of SpongeBob on it. No idea what to do with the stack of DVD-Rs in my house because I remember time and time again, I would get a failed end result, most likely because I did something wrong.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

That’s fair. I rarely buy repros unless I support the concept. In the instance of D I support more people playing the game

LRG are absolute masters when it comes to dirt bag business tactics.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

That seems to be their MO for sure

I (almost) pre-ordered that D re-release. Couldn't allow myself to give Limited Run any money, though. The only purchase I have ever made from them was Momodora on PS4. I also didn't buy Rugrats for NES because they had a hand in it. Piko is another company I refuse to fund in any way.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

I ordered it to make a stance that 3DO and especially the work of Kenji Eno deserves more attention. Now this is just bad attention

To be fair though even if every person with a functional 3DO were to buy this game there probably still would not be enough buyers to justify even a minimum run of pressed cds.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

But they can’t sell it this way even still

I unfortunately bought this copy from LR. I hope they rectify the situation and provide pressed discs.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

They said they will. Let’s see how long it takes them

That’s a bit ridiculous! What the heck?

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Seriously they need to answer for it

I just don't understand what they thought was going to happen. Clearly this was going to anger people and spread quickly. Yes a large number of people who buy this stuff may never open it, but if they were banking on NO ONE opening the game to try and play it they are insane. For the record out of the 3 3DOs I have had, the only one that played CDRs was the FZ-10. My Goldstar unit and FZ-1 unit at most would boot some games here and there, but it was a total skip fest at best.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Most 3DOs don’t like CD-Rs. The lasers just aren’t good at the wavelength for blank dyed discs. And I have no clue what they were expecting. Nobody to ever open it for sure

Ive spent thousands of dollars with them without problems (like this anyway). Definitely going to be weary going forward.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

And you def should be weary

I remember buying D for the Playstation back in the day when it first came out. It was pretty fun, I think it took me a week to beat the game.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

It’s a classic I wish way more people would play

Truly pathetic, they need to refund everyone or ship replacements that are proper pressed discs.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Seems like replacements might be coming

@desklaser

Ай бұрын

​@@VideoGameEsotericaThose replacement discs might come, and at no less than two years. Nobody should allow LRG to keep their money even longer. Just file chargebacks. Fuck em. Make sure you get your money back. Don't ask nicely for LRG to do it for you.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Charge back window is more than likely closed

I hate buying something and expecting it to be on a pressed disc then it shows up and it's a burn. At least advertise it's on a recordable.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

LRG shouldn’t be anywhere near burned discs for their size and expense

I heard about LRG but never brought anything from them. Sad. I buy many things and still sealed for my collections. If I were a big fan and brought this for my collection, I would never have opened it up and know about the CD-R. Good job.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Yeah I don’t leave anything sealed usually. Unless it’s in my shame pile and I haven’t gotten to it lol

I haven't had problems with LRG before but then again I never bought any disc-based games from them, only cartridges, and those took an eternity to ship. This is shameful of them.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

It’s def a huge disappointment and a crappy move on their part

It's also crazy they charge you up front without a release date. Last game i got was the contra collection that took over a year to ship. With these interest rates they are making bank and incentivized to delay. I think mistreated customers should reach out to their japanese branches as well.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

They do sit on that interest free loan customers given them for forever before they ship

Why wouldn't it play since 3D0 has zero copyright protection. You can make burned copies of your 3D0 games and play them.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Not on all console models. Some do not like blank discs

Makes me wonder, what about the PC version from Limited Run Games that would work on your old-school desktop?

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Not sure I know what you mean?

@tanbeardgaming

Ай бұрын

​@@VideoGameEsotericaI haven't come across any discussions regarding the issues that the PC version of the game 'D' by Limited Run Games is facing. It's possible that the game disc works well on older computers, but I'm not entirely sure. However, it's unfortunate that the company failed to realize the problems with the 3DO release, considering that you can burn your own ROM disc to play on its original hardware. It would be better if they partnered with different companies to manufacture official discs instead of scamming their customers. Given their track record, this wouldn't surprise me at all. But in all seriousness, this is bad.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Ahh I see. Yeah I don’t think that copy is Cd-R

Edit: Is there any recourse for this particular release? As someone who does open and play the games purchased from LRG, if this was my experience; and LRG did not explicitly state it would be on burned CD-Rs; I would be wanting a refund, even if it was opened. Pressed discs simply work better on the aging hardware for consoles like the 3DO/PC Engine CD/Dreamcast etc. I guess if you want to ensure you're getting a pressed disc, you have to limit yourself to games on newer consoles that couldn't play burned discs. This is still garbage though. I've bought 4-5 titles off LRG, some SNES and PS5 games. I will definitely keep this in mind going forward.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

It looks like they will be reprinting all the discs for purchasers. That’ll have to be seen when and how

To their credit: Limited Run put out a statement fully apologizing and actually took responsibility. They also said they are stopping 3DO game production until they fix this issue. However I do think buyers should also be entitled to a refund or at least some kind of credit

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

It’s a start. But the question is how it happened in the first place. This should have never been shipped in its current state

@jimf14

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsoterica 100%

Selling a full retail game on a CDR... I thought that was only on Etsy Shops selling Repros! 😅 Wow! Some people support this shit. Also waiting a year .. I have never liked LRG and I also never bought from them. Nope, no thanks.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Waited a year for what you could have done in an hour with a cd burner

Wait I don't get it? What's the issue with it being a CD-R?

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Less compatible with hardware and not how games from a company their size are released

This is actually quite baffling because it seems like it would be more cost effective to have the discs pressed and not burnt especially if your dealing with larger quantities (like 100+), and it's not like LGR hasn't had discs pressed before. My guess is that the game discs and the soundtracks were send to different vendors and the ones that did the soundtrack actually pressed the discs and the one that did the game discs decided to burn discs for some reason. At any rate, LGR screwed up in their QC if they didn't notice they were getting burnt discs from their vendor, but if they specifically ordered burnt discs, or did it themselves... well then, screw them.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Yeah I doubt we will ever know the true reason because it’s all confusing

LRG pissing on Kenji Eno's grave. Even Throwback Entertainment is scammed by LGR.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Eno deserves much better than this trash

@kamildrews3517

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsoterica Throwback Entertainment should have known better than to trust LRG with retro releases.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

I certainly hope they don’t trust them now moving forward

i kinda cooled off the company after the delays got way too severe (even after they addressed the delays and promised to do better), the worst being the Rumble Fish 2 taking over a year and some months to ship when it was nearly identical to the collectors ed. released in asia a year earlier. but whatever, delays happen, i get it, but this one is inexcusable. I see they're offering replacements but its hard to trust them going forward.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

They’ve done nothing but go straight downhill

Whoa! Talk about a huge bummer this is VGE. Sorry you had to spent good money on this. But this video helps justify since you given us fair warning towards it bro. 8^0 Anthony..

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

I’m glad I could do my part to show what they did on camera

I remember D back on the Saturn in the mid 90's.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

A classic

I have watched a lot of these LRG CD-R rip off videos, and this is by far the most comprehensive report of the situation. Amazing content, that you should rightfully be fully proud of. You get a sub and like from me.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Appreciate it 👍

Rather go flashcarts and ODEs for my retro gaming needs. Was going to be a matter of time that a company would try this!

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Sad but true

I've ordered several games from LRG, though mostly cartridge based games. But I appreciate the warning for the disc based games, this is very disappointing.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Yeah cart is clearly less risky I’m sure

It doesn’t surprise me. Some of their carts are clearly just roms they snagged and licensed. You can tell if you put it through a database check or in a Polymega. Some flat out won’t show up.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Wild

Im worried i just got in a pc vr, and switch games in from them. I was going to wait untill i got new cables for my head set. I guess I'm opening it tomorrow. I hadn't planned on opening the switch games at this point. Since i got tired of waiting after a year and got digital copies.

I would have thought CDR are more expensive too begin with anyway.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Just depends on the print run size

Their response on Twitter: (Link removed for YT removing my comments) "Hey, there! We are actively working with our disc replication partners to provide replacement pressed discs for our customers. We do invite any customer experiencing an issue to request a full refund by visiting: "

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Good!