Correction #1 Screw Attack never contracted the Nostalgia Critic. Correction #2 The decision to buy the game store was not an impulsive decision it was an emotional one.

@Lordidude

Жыл бұрын

You might have mistaken ProJared for the AVGN. ScrewAttack contracted the AVGN James Rolfe for two videos a month.

@Sonicfalcon16

Жыл бұрын

Were you tempted to title this: The RISE and FALL and RISE again of projared

@chancethrash

Жыл бұрын

@@Sonicfalcon16 HONESTY

@Thrakus

Жыл бұрын

What did happen 4 months ago after his StarTropics vid? he always had 200k+ then 100k than 70k now 40k avg over days to now.

@davedogge2280

Жыл бұрын

34:58 uh-oh

a reminder: having a poly/open relationship or having a child will NOT fix your relationship.

@zawarudo1041

Жыл бұрын

especially having poly/open - it is just avoiding divorce and securing low-hanging resources under pretence of "exploring" or "spirituality" (whatever these buzzwords mean in modern Twitter/Tiktok vocabulary)

@GrayD_Fox

Жыл бұрын

Poly just doesnt work

@hes_alive

Жыл бұрын

You also can’t make a long-term poly relationship monogamous nor make a long-term monogamous relationship poly.

@hes_alive

Жыл бұрын

@@GrayD_Fox Meh if you kind of like spending time with someone but fuck around, it works as you aren’t invested in it. Many people do this on the sly and just cheat, being poly is at least ethical.

@JackisJack_

Жыл бұрын

@@GrayD_FoxI’ll never understand this mindset, as if poly relationships are just impossible to maintain. As opposed to the monogamous ones, more than 50% of which end in divorce?

Stories like this is why I'm convinced the online drama scene is a kind of blood sport for modern times. At the very least, it plays to out baser instincts of wanting to see people engage in a very public confrontation that will likely not end well for at least one of them, if not all of them.

@lampini

Жыл бұрын

It absolutely is a blood sport as evidenced by how many KZread commentators didn’t even question how correct any of the accusations were and just piled on the abuse and harassment

@theactualTVB

Жыл бұрын

Hi Dale

@rustyshackleford2605

Жыл бұрын

@@theactualTVB Joseph's father, I presume?

@Ticklestein

Жыл бұрын

The ProJared drama, to me, opened the eyes that 90% of drama is BS, and you basically should ask “But did you file a police report for that?” before even contemplating forming an opinion.

@Blisterdude123

Жыл бұрын

It's hardly limited to the internet. The internet just amplifies the noise and intensity of these kinds instincts toward cruelty humans can have. You see someone better off than you fall, some people get the urge to kick them while they're down, just because you've got an opening. It's definitely worse in the online space though. Here's the thing, that said, none of these online commentators are professional in any sense, they have no code of conduct to adhere to, no standard of behaviour. If punching down gets you those clicks and makes you money, they'll do it.

This is such a huge case of drama that shouldve stayed private. Imagine if your breakup drama was being broadcasted on the internet, becoming popcorn entertainment to random people.

@db_524

Жыл бұрын

Truer words have never been spoken.

@dr3dg352

10 ай бұрын

Hearing "the tea is cold" made me so angry.

@manporo5865

10 ай бұрын

Granted it was ProJared's own fault for posting the first story and blocking her. Had he not done either, this whole thing wouldn't have blown up as negatively as it did

@Hitoshuratdn

9 ай бұрын

@@manporo5865 Nah it was actually Heidei that broke the news first on Facebook which held many of projared's family and friends.

@manporo5865

9 ай бұрын

@@Hitoshuratdn it is literally mentioned on the video that Jared talked first...

Ethan making fun of how anyone looks is peak irony.

@bummerfriend

Жыл бұрын

He makes fun of himself all the time

@xlixity

Жыл бұрын

@@bummerfriend As a shield. His self-insults are tame compared to the vitriol he launches at others.

@bloosheee

Жыл бұрын

who is ethan?

@Cats_N_Doodles2018

Жыл бұрын

@@bloosheee h3h3productions

@TerminalM193

Жыл бұрын

​@@bummerfriend That in no way makes it okay or changes ops point on the irony... Ethan is pure SCUM!

As someone who followed Jared through it all back when he was on Screwattack, I remember the drama was insane in 2019 and I waited to see what Jared was gonna do...And...He lawyered up, got the receipts, and actually did a great job to prove his case....too bad the internet didn't want to even listen...

@jervistetchMadHater

Жыл бұрын

Yeah he was really beaten up about it and I am glad I stuck by him and waited cause those reciepts really proved He is just a guy who was dragged through the mud. I am glad he keeps making video's and enjoys himself again. Edit :And I hate how Arin fucking treated him. Immidiatly acting like Jared was never a friend and deleting everything they had done togheter.

@jacobs1834

Жыл бұрын

@@jervistetchMadHater never really liked Arin all that much anyway. He’s such a jerk.

@xXSoulGeoXx

Жыл бұрын

The thing is He really didn't talk about the nude photos he send to unsuspecting minors, mostly it was about all the legal troubles involving his wife ( which she had the righ to he mad about ) while ignoring the terrible and illegal stuff out of the way ( people are happy because some were there for how his marriage would end, I honestly was mad that most people forgot about how he took advantage of his fans )

@rorrim0

Жыл бұрын

@@xXSoulGeoXx if i remember correctly it was adressed? I think the incident your referring was when minors snuck in a NSFW space jared set up for him and his fans that were 18+ which people posted their nudes on. I think those minors went on to claim Jared specifically sent them nudes but i think they admitted this to be a lie or was proven to be a lie

@AlexEich

Жыл бұрын

@@xXSoulGeoXx What? Jared did the opposite. His response was mainly about the allegations with minors because he has the most to lose legally in that scenario. And it's pretty clear he had no idea who these people were and it seemed they were just trying to latch onto the scandal

Pro-tip: if someone ever claims to not give a shit about others’ physical appearances that are out-of-control, just take a look at how they talk about the people they don’t like, then you’ll see how virtuous they truly are

@flatwoodsdaemon

Жыл бұрын

I hate the "they're a bad person so it's okay" mentality. If they're truly hateful, they're not gonna give a shit what you say, and are just gonna keep continuing to be so. Insulting their appearance does nothing to take down their character or their beliefs, and is likely only going to upset someone you actually DO care about.

@PinkManGuy

Жыл бұрын

@@flatwoodsdaemon It's the same way I feel about being racist to a racist. You're still hurting hurtful language with the intent to cut down another person, thus giving those words power in the first place, as well as harming anyone else from the racist's background. It's cruel, vicious, thoughtless, and childish bordering on infantile.

@tmerchead1

Жыл бұрын

I think we been given enough pro tips from Projared pic leaks for one generation

@aaronlaughter6471

Жыл бұрын

What if I hate everyone equally, and don't pretend I'm a good person.

@mmmodafoca

Жыл бұрын

exactly, 100% of this, that's that old saying if you want to see how wrong your religion is ask someone from a different one. or If you want to know how nice your spouse is, just see how they treat their parents. Sorry not wanting to be political, but the internet is a cesspool of shit like ideas and mob mentallity it's ridiculous.

When ProJared released his rebuttal video he said something that made me feel really bad. He said that nobody came to him to listen his version and he looked empty and depressed, I saved that video since it has been unlisted since quite a while now

@Jaydakin

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. The only person who really defended him was PBG, who then got bullied into apologizing for defending him

@WillieManga

Жыл бұрын

That is the big takeaway, don't judge the outcome before all cards are on the table. And for the love of Ramuh, death threats only make people look worse so do not do that.

@-lord1754

11 ай бұрын

PBG is the definition of a true friend. I think he stopped because they mustve had some kind of deal so he didnt get dragged down as well.@@Jaydakin

@VidelxSpopovich

11 ай бұрын

You want to know something funny? The people that gathered all the hard evidence in his favor, the people who proved through countless hours of pixel measurements and pishing that he was in fact innocent of the accusations… yeah, that was the so called Internet Hate Machine Kiwifarms, who started out being very much against him by the way.

@cyberius100

11 ай бұрын

It took me until this happened to learn this lesson

Peanut Butter Gamer had the best take from day 1, no throwing Jared under the bus, just him saying "This ain't it chief" to Jared's ex.

@db_524

10 ай бұрын

He sure did and he was also proven right in the end when ProJared released his response video.

@insensitive919

3 ай бұрын

She totally convinced herself that Jared was 100% the cheater... (open relationship blah blah)based on angry conservative chuds that showed up to defend her just because they wanted to take down Jared. Only then did she realize that she was in the wrong. Never listen to the right. Even if they tell you that the sky is blue, you verify. Now she knows.

@LiquidDIO

2 күн бұрын

It was the most mature and unbiased take of them all. Frankly, all of this was no one's business but the effected people.

The "I have the receipts" quote is still one of the most legendary things to come out of this drama. It was like a fucking finisher move, it was wild. I remember so many memes using it sprouting up at the time.

@HawkBreland

Жыл бұрын

absolutely based

@ryanadams0922

Жыл бұрын

Dude I got chills hearing that

@saltystick_99

10 ай бұрын

It felt like something fresh out of Phoenix Wright.

@insensitive919

3 ай бұрын

Jeremy Hambly was the first to apologize, tbh.

@StriderZessei

9 күн бұрын

What receipts did he provide, exactly? All I remember him saying is, 'can you really trust the word of someone like my accuser who hit their head once?' He created a place for people to share their dirty pics and never bothered to require anyone to confirm their adulthood.

I swear, there was a trend in the mid-to-late 2000’s where there was so many sitcoms based around gaming culture online.

@AnonYmous-wm6wq

Жыл бұрын

Name one

@VenomSnakeMGS

Жыл бұрын

@@AnonYmous-wm6wq There was a nickeloden show around this time, that Projared was actually on for a few episodes.

@raditzhoneyham

Жыл бұрын

@@VenomSnakeMGS that was in like 2011 or 2012 lol "gaming culture" being popular in media started around the 2010s for sure

@GOTTA_RUN

Жыл бұрын

@@AnonYmous-wm6wq Game shakers was one from nickelodeon and gamers guide were two sitcoms about video games from Nick. They were both fucking horrible though. Disney also had a trend of making shows about video games and KZreadrs playing them

@KalmoK

Жыл бұрын

Sitcoms...? No there wasn't... 😅

I kinda admire Jared. He had his scandal, owned his mistakes, proved the receipts.. and he hasn't given up. I respect that.

@israelruiz8706

11 ай бұрын

True. I do hope he has found peace with everything. The stigma is still around and he probably still gets harrased. But at least the fans that still support him hopefully give him strength to keep doing what he is doing 😊

@jacklee8467

11 ай бұрын

I don’t feel too bad for him. He reveled when his former friend got internet heat. He subsequently has endorsed other forms of harassment against other people. Didn’t learn a damn thing from the whole ordeal

@abcdefzhij

11 ай бұрын

what do you mean had his scandal, the scandal was literally fake

@RenegadeSparks

10 ай бұрын

@@jacklee8467 it's why I'm convinced that his proof was fake somehow, the real giveaway was when he started bemoaning "cancel culture" and was going full reactionary during said debunking.

@swallowedinthesea11

10 ай бұрын

Jared hasn't uploaded since April 2023 and people are still accusing him from that video's comments.

If it's any consolation... As of November 2022, Heidi is broke, single and running a failing craft business. Karma bites back.

@coryfusting9294

Жыл бұрын

Notably, Jared and Holly broke up that same month.

@thearmedgardener

Жыл бұрын

Good, she seem like an aweful person

@HawkBreland

Жыл бұрын

awesome 😎

@ryanadams0922

Жыл бұрын

That makes me happy that red headed psycho B!+(# got what she deserved for destroying Jared

@not-a-hardcore-gamer2555

Жыл бұрын

Good. Glad to hear it

I always hated people making fun of his looks instead of what he did. And when I realized he didn't really do anything then things got even worse feeling

@VelvetAura

Жыл бұрын

that's always how it goes

@glasshorse6893

Жыл бұрын

oh definitely the worst part. I remember that most from h3h3 shitting on him for looking "as pathetic as possible" in his return video when his ENTIRE LIFE had just fallen apart cause a few clout chasing people lied about their age to destroy his career and build a new one off it, like a tree getting invaded and ruined by mistletoe, he did all the work for them to reap the reward. I doubt a single soul on this planet would be able to handle that and not look like a wreck after

@justcallmeleonardo

Жыл бұрын

@@glasshorse6893 Plus I always found it funny that H3 said this stuff. Mr. "Gym is a waste of time" could and has also been made fun of just like ProJared, which I'm sure didn't make him feel good. But if done on others? Nah it's funny then.

@Zulk_RS

Жыл бұрын

While I did add my drop in the bucket of hate at the time (And I realize I was wrong), even then I never really got the hate on his looks. I always thought (and still do think) he looks pretty okay. I won't say he looks super gorgeous but he doesn't look ugly either. He just looks pretty okay. Like average or slightly above average to me.

@xXSoulGeoXx

Жыл бұрын

He did share nudes though He defended himself about the 2 minors But that doesn't change the fact that his nudes were public in a blog full of his fans ( which honestly is creepy, and he should had known that at least )

In hindsight, this is truly a situation where nobody came off looking good, including the audience that watched it all play out.

@BlackWingedSeraphX

Жыл бұрын

Not if you were fair/neutral. The cancel mobs and Heidi and Charlie are the real scumbags.

@t-dot1564

Жыл бұрын

These people knew what they were doing and each side was trying to stir up the audience to side with them. If they didn't want to cause drama, they should keep their degeneracy and private affairs to themselves.

@technounionrepresentative4274

Жыл бұрын

i just quietly stopped watching him and started again when he proved his innocence

@dennischaves4887

Жыл бұрын

I never gave up on Projared. I waited for the flames to settle and the facts to come in. Sadly this situation costed him so many subs and I don't know of he'll recover to a million again but only time will tell

@redacted2275

Жыл бұрын

What a cop out: his ex came out as deceitful and his buddies from "Normal Boots" as backstabbers.

I saw a picture recently that PBG posted of him with Jared. Peebs just seemed concerned for a friend and wasn't sure wtf was happening. Glad to see they're on good terms.

@TheAfker

Жыл бұрын

so much shit was happening all at once when first started, i dont know what happened but i remember people got really pissed at PBG during it for some reason

@FrogWalrus

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAfker PBG was refusing to join the mob and go after Jared. A tweet went viral after the accusations were someone claimed something about Jared being a child predator or sex pest, and PBG replied “that ain’t it chief”. And PBG never openly cut ties with him.

@That1Smug

Жыл бұрын

Peebs is a really good friend

@MrTylerWpg

Жыл бұрын

@Z-bone Bill Yeah everyone who had videos with Jared pulled them all except PBG and I think that most if not all still haven't put them back up.

@LittleZbot

6 ай бұрын

​@tylermilne1623 Correction: PBG did indeed pull his videos with ProJared on both his channels, but it was later revealed that he did so at Jared's request so Austin wouldn't get dragged into things any more than he was. After Jared's response video went live, PBG quietly re-listed them.

The users that made up all the lies about ProJared on Twitter were also wrapped up in the UK KZread community as I recognised the usernames. They’d send incendiary replies and tweets to myself and friends and when this all blew up it felt like they finally got the attention they wanted but very glad it blew up in their faces.

I think the part that pisses me off the most is that little to nobody apologized & it's no secret that to this day it's still something that affecting his channel.

@rayvenkman2087

Жыл бұрын

They got egg in their face and they’d rather die on their hill than admit they were wrong. H3H3 comes to mind and Arin had always been a difficult guy to to keep a friendship with online, the amount of people who left Game Grumps after Jon’s departure vs Chris O’Neil’s says it all.

@nothingsacred8684

Жыл бұрын

@@rayvenkman2087 Who is Chris O Neil? And really, Arin is known as being a hard guy to get along with?

@Spider-Fan006

Жыл бұрын

Heidi is a compulsive lier and manipulator Jared is no better but Heidi is worse she lied to destroy Jared's career out of spite and keep on lying and not telling the whole truth I have a feeling she's the real threat here personally I don't trust anything she says because all her statements have proven to be false

@DougerArt

Жыл бұрын

@@Spider-Fan006 "jared is no better but heidi is worse"

@ActionJotaPe

Жыл бұрын

@@nothingsacred8684 Way too late but Chris is OneyNG, he was featured in many videos and even had his own show Doodle Doods in the channel with Ross, not familiar with the drama that happened there but i know i stopped watching the channel after he left

"projared and conjared" made me laugh more than it should have

Heidi:"i want to sleep with someone else" Jared:"ok, so will i" Heidi:"wait no...."

@planescaped

10 ай бұрын

A classic tale.

My poor sister was a huge fan of Dice, Camera, Action - another DND podcast that starred Jared and Holly. It was DMed by Chris Perkins and sponsored by Wizards of the Coast. The show was cancelled because of the drama at the halfway point before any of the characters could be resolved.

@db_524

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that’s one of things that hurts the most. A beloved web series was canceled due to the false allegations and there’s nothing any of us can say and/or do to bring it back. 😭💔

@FellowHuman137

Жыл бұрын

I miss the waffle crew so much

@bekaemery2918

10 ай бұрын

Same I really loved DCA I miss it so much

@tanman729

6 ай бұрын

just from jareds point of view, imagine you get bullied and harassed and slandered so heavily that you lose a spot on the FUCKIN D&D LIVEPLAY. i just wanna give this guy a hug, and i definitely bring him up when people say cancel culture doesn't exist or that "collateral damamge here is fine because the collateral is usually white dudes so who gives a shit?"

@NightmareShadows13

6 ай бұрын

The Waffle Crew was even supposed to be in Baldur's Gate 3. I remember them mentioning having done some voice acting for the game. But when the drama happened, and the show got cancelled, they got removed from the game. At least, through Holly, we know that they're still playing together, just off camera.

ProJared handled this PERFECTLY. You don't rise to the bait. You stay quiet, gather your case and once the knee-jerk screeching has passed, you dump the facts on people calmly.

@DrkRyu

Жыл бұрын

what disappoints me the most is the existence of that stupid tumblr. The fact Charlie was asked if they're 18+ and the answer "yes I am" is a perfect example why that shit's dangerous. If Jared never had the dumb idea to open up a page for sharing nudes, nobody would've cared because the divorce stuff ultimately is none of anyone's business. I mean they both fucked up their relationship and finally settled on separating. end of story.

@The_Catman

Жыл бұрын

Who's going to give him back the year of torture he had to endure, tho?

@Deadflower20xx

Жыл бұрын

@@The_Catman He's made millions over the course of his career, I think he'll be okay. He didn't get doxxed or swatted or probably anything beyond rando threats in his DM's which every content creator gets. We literally have dozens of cases around the internet where we can see it all could have gone so much worse for him. Where he's at right now is literally the best case scenario when you're put on the other end of a cancel campaign.

@Deadflower20xx

Жыл бұрын

@@DrkRyu It definitely is pretty cringe when people try to pull this internet rockstar stuff. There's literally no legitimate way to filter out minors without actually asking for pictures of their IDs. If you don't do that then you're basically accepting to yourself you may or may not see underage stuff and I guess you're just okay with that, which has some pretty gross implications. Like his ex said in the video, I don't think he's a predo or anything...but he legitimately just rationalized it by thinking "Eh if they're 17 or 16, big whoop". He's not so stupid as to think everyone who messaged him will be an adult on a site you have to be 13 to join.

@The_Catman

Жыл бұрын

@@Deadflower20xx His penis literally went all around the world and will always be one google search from everyone's eyes. All of us know personal details of his intimacy nver MEANT to be public. No amount of money will ever pay your mental health back. The fact that it usually goes even worse is THE PROBLEM, not a mitigation.

That situation was one of the most infuriating cancellations I've ever seen, really went to show what a cesspool Twitter is and how easily most KZreadrs will throw aside their morals if it means making a few extra bucks. I will never understand how people get so much joy out of dog piling on others and seeing their lives destroyed.

@NeiasaurusCreations

Жыл бұрын

The thing is though, Jared created this situation as much as anyone. He had a nude blog where he didn't age verify ANYONE. He trusted the honor system. But if you look at his content, it'd be impossible to think he doesn't have a good chunk of children fans who are easily influenced. He was always going to end up getting or sending nudes to a minor because of how he operated. He got incredibly lucky that the minors he DID get nudes from, lied to him. But there is a key element here, he DID get nudes from minors. Showing just how bad his age verification was. And if he didn't think he could age verify, he probably should not have put himself into that position at all. Jared is the reason everyone saw his cock, and Jared is the reason he was even in a position these accusations could be made against him. He isn't exactly innocent, he just isn't a predator. But his neglect is equally as dangerous, and I hope he learned a lesson from this. Because I can't bleach the sight of his cock from my brain.

@cosmicspacething3474

Жыл бұрын

I mean some of them do get swept up, and genuinely fall for this shit too, they’re also human after all…

@Vojou345

Жыл бұрын

@@cosmicspacething3474 True they are, but at the same time you'd think the phrases "Don't jump to conclusions" and "Wait till all the facts are out" would cross many of their minds.

@equestrianmidnight5619

Жыл бұрын

@@cosmicspacething3474 What the comment above this one said. They saw an opportunity for content and took it. Difference is, they did what a lot of other people did, except they're a little worse because their word carries. Good on PewDiePie for not buying into it completely and sticking to his guns.

@HonkeyKong54

Жыл бұрын

Most youtubers are narcissistic a holes you who get addicted to attention. Especially in the drama youtuber side.

Ethan Kline talking about Jared's looks, while looking like the Mucinex Booger will never not be funny.

Part of what made his response video so legendary to me to this day is how usually those type of videos start with a somber mood, and a while to get to the topic with awkward sentences and filler. Jared's response video literally started with "Hey, what's up? *Anyway;"* it always felt like such a power move that he just starts it making his point almost immediately rather than try to paint himself as a sympathetic victim.

@Kytseo

4 ай бұрын

Really made the phrase "I have the receipts" into one of the most badass claims in recent history.

The incident taught me first how I should not trust even my eyes and alerted me that there are people who no matter how much you hang out with them, they will want your fall and will work to destroy you just for fame.

@lmno567

Жыл бұрын

It was a learning point for me too. Although I knew to wait for his side of the story, I waited for so long that I took his silence as an admission of guilt. Lo and behold, it took just a bit longer for that to come out. Learned that things aren't always what it seemed and just to wait a bit before rendering judgment, a lesson that came in handy for a completely different situation later on.

@RisingPhoenix05

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I jumped the gun on this situation too. It was the first time I judged early, and I'm glad Jared was able to come back from this

@thunderwarriorprods

Жыл бұрын

@@RisingPhoenix05 honestly dude it’s refreshing as hell to see people admit they made a mistake with stuff like this. Big respect to you, sir.

@charonlloyd-roberts

Жыл бұрын

I wound up feeling guilty for siding with the mob at the time when it all went down, I recently re-subscribed back to Porjared despite watching the debunking video when he released it. Took some time to reflect but in truth he deserved better and we were all fools for not believing him.

@GameAlicornLuna

Жыл бұрын

I was also part of the bandwagon. I remember that I was in an airport when I was looking over Twitter and saw that the whole thing. I did the usual as well as unsubbing from him and joining the bash crew. Then when his video came out, I listened to it and resubbed to him. I'm still subbed to this day because I do enjoy his content.

I won't pretend that I haven't always thought he looked goofy AF but holy shit am I surprised at how many of the prominent drama channels covering this to went STRAIGHT at that low hanging fruit. They even went as far as bringing the appearances of the women involved into it. Huge fuckin' yikes, hopefully they realize how cringe they were in hindsight.

@coyrex1250

Жыл бұрын

Critikal said he looked like a blob of melted mayo left out in the sun with nipples on it, or something like that. It was hilarious, but went way to far

@thisstatementisfalsenothin5312

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I feel like exclusively insulting what someone looks like hurts your argument a lot

@NelsonStJames

Жыл бұрын

They won't. The mob never admits that it was wrong, it simply moves on to another target, and pretends the previous incident didn't occur.

@Sealdeam

Жыл бұрын

It was accepted fact he was the worst of the worst so making fun of his appearance was fine maybe even a just mild punishment that nobody minds, when someone has been put in that position the rules no longer apply and if something bad happens to them it is even celebrated, mob mentality is a scary thing makes its target the whipping boy against whom venting our anger and hatred is not only permitted but it is a just thing that is encouraged while cooler heads risk becoming themselves targets too so they stay mostly silent.

@grimtheghastly8878

Жыл бұрын

And it's so weird bc to me at least he isn't even unattractive? He's a little skrunkly but he isn't ugly? And even if he was why would it even matter?

The fact that he got fired before the shit show known as rooster teeth stepped in automatically makes him the luckiest man alive

@WusterWasti

4 күн бұрын

I think its kinda funny hearing Craig justifying his firing of Jared to make it seem like a "good" move when after that he made the worst move possible by selling Screwattack lol.

The funniest thing in this video is seeing that Rabbid Luigi called Jared a gremlin when he himself is not particularly good-looking either. Really shows how quickly people will put down another just to raise themselves up a peg

@kieranwalsh2058

Жыл бұрын

Damn I used to watch rabbidluigi since he was in 240p. Didn’t know he resorted to petty insults

@YEETUSDAFEETUS

Жыл бұрын

who the hell is that I seen the name and got confused as hell lol

@TheCheeseMovesSideways

Жыл бұрын

@@YEETUSDAFEETUS same lol who tf has a name called rabbid luigi? Not surprising the person behind it resort to insulting other people's looks lmao

@redphantom6921

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, kinda sounds like he was projecting much.

@mostverticalproductions4808

10 ай бұрын

British person commenting on someone else's look is hilarious. Even funnier when you look at the ham planet he married. What a freak.

Man... it sure would be great to see at ScrewAttack video done by Joon. Anyone else interested?

@GearsLGLF

Жыл бұрын

Make it happen.

@xGODSNINJAx

Жыл бұрын

I second this

@Chatetris

Жыл бұрын

I would love this

@SolidBren

Жыл бұрын

Lets go Craig!

@LorenHelgeson

Жыл бұрын

Amen. Make it happen, cap'n!

I definitely think ProJared's story was a watershed moment in KZread drama. It was one of the first big examples of a KZreadr successfully recouping a significant amount of their credibility and social standing, as opposed to simply digging their own grave deeper. His online presence may be permanently diminished; and it's hard to say if that's due to regular burn out, or lingering stigma from the initial incident, or both; but I do feel like his tragic downfall was a major turning point that made people more critical, more skeptical, and more rational when it came to these kinds of controversies and accusations. Obviously, I wish it hadn't cost him so much, but there's a silver lining, and I think that's important.

@tramarthomas6105

Жыл бұрын

And in a weird way, he was proven to be a decent guy. If he did actually abuse his fans or had explicit interactions with minors online, the victims would have had all the incentive and confidence to come out and expose him for it.

@TheWonkster

Жыл бұрын

Most of the people that worked with him before still refuse to feature him on their channel even if he features them on his.

@TotemoGaijin

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but then you've got people like Vic Mignona who still seem to be having a tough go of it.

@Z50nemesis

Жыл бұрын

Have you considered that the reason why his internet presence is diminished may be cause of the things he admited were true ? He was making groups with fans to share nudes and to a lot of people thats just too weird. Yes he didnt abuse minors and the cheating thing is dubious but even if those allegations were never msde his career would be damaged when people liked the pictures of him masturbating in a salor moon costume

@Paranomalous

Жыл бұрын

He’s kaput.

3:30 my girlfriend heard this and went “He DOESN’T want his head crushed by Chun-Li?! Coward!” 😂

I remember Lindsay Ellis said in a tweet or video or something once how people on the internet aren’t satisfied with interpersonal conflict being JUST about a shitty thing. Everyone wants to make a definitive moral judgement. Personally I think there was probably some shitty stuff that Jared did,but I also don’t think he’s a pedophile. People have messy relationships sometimes. Sometimes good people do huge damage to each other, and nobody comes out of that acting “rational “. God, people’s online are gonna lose it when they hear about fleetwood mac…

@ladyarmourlapras

Жыл бұрын

of course lindsay probably said that when it happened to her, all the while revelling in similar cancellation of her peers before that

@darrenthetuber743

7 ай бұрын

Yeah unfortunately to prove his innocence he had to basically say I'm kinda a piece of shit but I'm not a pedophile

@darthgamer9861

7 ай бұрын

I want us all to take a moment to bask in the irony of Lindsay Ellis saying this, considering she had absolutely no issues supporting cancel culture in the past when it suited her political opinions.

@tanman729

6 ай бұрын

@@darthgamer9861 not saying your lying, but do you have a source? i'm assuming it's one of those "cancel culture doesn't exist, until something i like gets cancelled* type stance

@jamesesparza6893

5 ай бұрын

Interesting take. That exact mindset has shifted over to the AI argument funny enough.

Sad thing is, this still isn't the whole story. Charlie and Chai were friends with two women who admitted in all the initial drama that they had catfished and blackmailed Jared, telling him to pay them or they'd release his nudes. (And yes, there is proof of all this.) The catfishers publically bragged about routinely catfishing and blackmailing men, and Charlie was a member of this group, all of whom, catfishers and Charlie, are cosplayers like Heidi. Charlie lives very near Jared and Heidi, is a cosplayer, and another friend of theirs, also a cosplayer, is posing with Heidi and calls Heidi her idol. All of this was set up by people who knew Heidi.

@annienunyabiz6627

Жыл бұрын

@@GameFreak2467 Yes.

@Numbabu

Жыл бұрын

@@annienunyabiz6627 may we have it?

@faunsolo

Жыл бұрын

So everyone is terrible in this situation, got it.

@WillToNihilsm

Жыл бұрын

This is not proven whatsoever.

@WillToNihilsm

Жыл бұрын

@@noahbarnhartandit2365 yeah because he fabricated those texts. Lmfao.

man the sequence of youtubers mocking his looks at 42:00 is brutal considering all the fuckers talking about him are on the same level of attractiveness

@connoranthony1663

Жыл бұрын

Repzion also calling Holly Smeagal is wild as well when if he shaved his head it would be a convincing cosplay

@swanmeet

Жыл бұрын

Facts and repzion is just nasty on the inside too

@mousefire777

Жыл бұрын

The dude doesn’t even look bad. Good hair and jawline, the blue eyes. Like, if you saw him on the street he’s at least a 6

@gamesmasteruploader4863

Жыл бұрын

@@mousefire777 they seem mad he has self confidence too. like what the fuck.

@PMelling2293

Жыл бұрын

I mean, Repzion’s biggest rival was Onision. So I guess he was used to that level of discourse?

Honestly I've never really understood all the harassment about his appearance. He certainly isnt the most attractive person to have ever lived. But he looks like a perfectly normal person.

@XENON3120

9 ай бұрын

because people are hypocrites, they use image as an excuse to harass somebody but when it so happens to come out that he is not as bad as the stories wanted to paint him to be, when people only wanted to cancel him, then people start saying he is good looking, or average at best. Its so staby and I really can't respect it. I was one of the few youtubers that made a video defending the dude, got 70% dislikes 30% likes and people disagree with my reasons just to little later on come out to be true all along. Amd then all of a sudden everybody talking bad about his character or his image turn 180, its so weak how people just change minds depending on where the hype train is going, like have little to no personality of their own to think critically at all. Some people should live with themselves longer and face hardships, perhaps that will make them good capable friends one day.

@krustykrabpizza4328

10 күн бұрын

The ugliness of human nature seems to be on full display when people are anonymous. So many studies have been done about it. Internet is essentially Pandora's box for all the positivity and negativity that's possible in the world.

@entertainer_ev2747

5 күн бұрын

​@@krustykrabpizza4328With that first sentence I immediately thought of Michael Jackson

@LunchMeatTrump

2 күн бұрын

​​@@entertainer_ev2747omg that's ignorant don't be so ignorant why are you so ignorant stop being ignorant

I see this as a Rise, Fall, and Rise again of Jared rather than a fall. He's enjoying what he's doing, he's happier than he was, and his content is still good. I will never understand how folks will make themselves out as perfect and better than Jared enough to attack him.

@magicalcapi9148

Жыл бұрын

well put he didn't fall, he rose is he as popular as before? no, he isn't but he got away from drama, and it seems to have a much healthier life fame isn't everything, good on him

@derpherpington3129

Жыл бұрын

i usually ask those who attack if they like the taste of windex since they be licking windows all day.

@derpherpington3129

Жыл бұрын

@Mellissa Boomer of the Night still freaking out about age gaps? i've a long term relationship with a woman old enough to be my aunt, and ooh, boy, she loves it from behind! FOH with that bullshit. as long as the ADULTS [18+] agree to ADULT[18+] things, let them ADULT [Do-- You guessed it-- 18+Things]!

@mrscruffles801

Жыл бұрын

@Mellissa Boomer of the Night Don't most people like being adored?

@P_Taters

Жыл бұрын

The ProJared saga was a wild ride. Bro literally sat out the entire drama train until it stopped moving, then he jumped out of nowhere and derailed the train with ease. His refrain showed a real maturity that most people wouldn't've had under the same circumstances.

Peanut Butter Gamer (Austin) is the definition of a real friend. Immediatly jumps to defend his bro, and even when everyone tells him he is wrong for doing it, he still only steps back enough to say "well, let's wait for Jared's response before we all judge him as guilty"

@db_524

Жыл бұрын

So True.

@rayvenkman2087

Жыл бұрын

The only big name in all this who didn’t come out of the saga looking terrible.

@stoves5877

Жыл бұрын

except he even lied to Austin as Austin defended Jared by saying there was no way he would share nudes with fans.

@JamestheKilljoy

Жыл бұрын

@@stoves5877 or he didnt tell him to begin with. Im sure he didnt go around telling his friends about his sex life

@stoves5877

Жыл бұрын

@@JamestheKilljoy this was like 2 days after everything happened.

I think this is an important lesson in "Evidence does not equal Fact." This is something that is lost on the mob mentality and gets sadly drowned out when drama like this crops up. While evidence is an important factor in establishing Fact, it cannot become Fact without it being heavily scrutinized. Folks take things at face value too easily, I myself have fallen prey to this as well. I hope those folks that threw wood onto ProJared's burning at least came out of this better able to scrutinize information that's presented to them.

@TheNormeShow

Жыл бұрын

I'll never understand why people jumped on the pedophilia shit as quick as they did, it's like the first allegation anyone would think of to make a situation sound worse than it is. Not to say that it's always fake, unfortunately it's pretty common to hear that about KZread drama. It's still just not the majority, or it turns out to be under false pretenses

@bravobird9435

Жыл бұрын

@@TheNormeShow I mean there was pretty hard evidence backing up the accusations, I do think people should have waited to see/hear Jared's side of the story though

@Linkophere

Жыл бұрын

They wont. Prepare yourself for the years to come and isolate as much as you healthily can. Western society aka American is headed toward a great decline

@phabiorules

Жыл бұрын

@@Linkophere Eh, I disagree. It seems people are getting tired of this attitude, and a majority of people seem to acknowledge how awful twitter is.

@funkspinna

Жыл бұрын

Even worse, you even have people that expect we simply "Believe All Women".

Never seen such an interesting flip, from "ugh, yet another big KZreadr cheating" to "holy shit this guy took his time to get ALL the evidence lined up instead of fall prey to internet drama" Really inspiring tbh, mad respect gained for Jared. I do wish most people who piled onto him had come out and properly apologized, but internet drama is what it is, a race for attention then go silent when the truth comes out. Also felt really bad that *no one* reached out to him, damn.

@cosmicspacething3474

5 ай бұрын

I think peanut butter gaming did reach out

I only became aware of the controversy when seeing Jared’s video “you’ve been lied to”. Because I would actively check for new uploads from him. I really enjoyed his content. After hearing his side. I looked at as much of the rest as I could. And I gotta say, his sex life is none of my concern. His marriage isn’t either (provided we wasn’t actually abusive). It sounds like a horrible break up and I’m glad he got through it.

His rebuttal video is legendary. He absolutely wrecked everyone with evidence. Biggest turn around I’ve seen on KZread. Definitely showed how jumping on the angry mob bandwagon is just plain stupid. This just shows how fucked the internet really can be.

@Z50nemesis

Жыл бұрын

He didnt tho , sure he debunked some allegations... doesnt change the fact that he did create fan groups to send nudes... The moment the pics of him masturbating in a sailor moon costume were leaked his career was damaged forever

@Jota_M9999

Жыл бұрын

Not only internet. There are many cases of people getting lynched (sometimes to death) just to be found innocent afterwards. And for some reason, people still act like the person accused is somehow guilty of something. The stigma remains. I won't lie, I don't think about it all the time, but this is a big fear of my life.

@Sly_Maverick_31

Жыл бұрын

After all, Jared had the RECEIPTS.

@stoves5877

Жыл бұрын

then why did he admit what he did was wrong and he apologized for taking advantage of his fans?

@-INK-

Жыл бұрын

@@stoves5877 Lets see the list of accusations that the internet simply ran with Cheated on his wife = proved false Knowingly creeped on underage fans = proved false Running a discord server to exchange sexual content = true and evidence shown that 18+ was a prerequisite & participation was strictly voluntary. So if you did meme on Jared during that time and now still want to feel like you were right, go ahead and take that little w where Jared changed his stance on the 18+ discord.

I actually met ProJared when I was working at a movie theater. I was working the concession stand and he came up. I talked to him and said, "You look like ProJared" and he said, "I get that a lot." Eventually he told me it was him. It was hilarious lol.

@hypnoticnexus24

Жыл бұрын

Cap

@ParadigmRiki

Жыл бұрын

Tony Hawk moment.

This drama taught me a lot of lessons about public fallouts. Case in point: very different situation, but when all the shit regarding the DOOM Eternal OST went down and Marty Stratton released his statement, while the rest of thr Internet turned on Mick Gordon, I genuinely felt like there was a lot not being said. I kept faith in that and was vindicated when Mick released his statement 2 years later. Without this ProJared situation first, I probably would have turned on Mick like everyone one else did.

No else catch the irony of the Screwattack guy being like. "You can't speak ill of the company. Honestly, it makes you a jerk, and then you get fired......so anyway, then Roosterteeth bought us, what a bunch of assholes. They didnt let us do anything"

I've never understood why people dogged on Holly's appearance. Like wtf, Repzion making the Gollum reference was embarrassing to see. Small thing to fixate on, I know. Just confusing. Internet mobs are weird.

@swanmeet

Жыл бұрын

All the people that made fun of her and Jared’s appearances in this thing only revealed the profound ugliness in themselves.

@Abomdosnow

Жыл бұрын

Worst part was Holly was cuter than Heidi tbh

@jackalope_butchery

Жыл бұрын

@@Abomdosnow FOR REAL

@accounfour2402

Жыл бұрын

@@Abomdosnow exactly, she has good features but just drew her eyebrows wrong that day

@carolinaferreira5890

Жыл бұрын

That was disgusting to watch, man. Jared getting dunk on for his looks already sucks, but what Repzion did was straight up objectifying the women in the situation, like the only thing that mattered was how they looked. But then, not surprised, just watch how people like to opinate on any relatively famous person's dating life like it's any of their business lol

Forgot about this guy till this notifaction, I've watched probably every single one of his old style review videos I loooooved them

@tylerd1297

Жыл бұрын

When that scandal happened everyone heard about it lmao. My little sister who doesn't watch any channels like that had already heard about it the same day I mentioned it.

@newearth9027

Жыл бұрын

Didn't expect to see you here

@Kachuzumaki

Жыл бұрын

Notification*

@doordasher7095

Жыл бұрын

His new reviews are really good too esp the final fantasy ones

@gligarguy4010

Жыл бұрын

@@doordasher7095 Dude is good when he's reviewing RPGs (mostly), not that great with everything else.

Here's the problem with Heidi's response. She lied at the beginning. She came out of the gate with malice and the intent of making Jared look as bad as possible with "TODAY I LEARNED MY EX-HUSBAND WAS FUCKING HOLLY BEHIND MY BACK" and then, after proof was shown of this not being true "Well, I did know about this, but I tried to make it work." You see, if she lied about that and she admited that, why should we believe anything she says? Jared and Holly put up proof of their side of the story, Heidi just has the value of her own word, and she already run it throw the mud with that first malicious lie.

@VGHistory1

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@db_524

Жыл бұрын

Yep.

Basically every criticism against him had the same source "just trust me bro" Really a disgusting situation and shame on all the people who lied to try and get their thirty seconds in the spotlight and also shame on everyone who took all those lies at face value without a shred of evidence.

We need to see an in depth ScrewAttack retrospective. They really revolutionized a lot of how content was produced on KZread. I already know Craig is down. Make it happen.

@nojsageiv

Жыл бұрын

You mean rooster teeth

@MilkWasABadChoice17

Жыл бұрын

@@nojsageiv No, specifically ScrewAttack.

@nojsageiv

Жыл бұрын

@@MilkWasABadChoice17 I understand what you said, but rooster teeth was KZread before KZread, and a few years before screw attack.

@TheBtstephens

Жыл бұрын

@@nojsageiv then go watch the one he did on RT. We want to see the retrospective on ScrewAttack

@nojsageiv

Жыл бұрын

@@TheBtstephens I did, and screw attack Was bought out. It’s safe to say the best thing to come out of screw attack was matpat

ProJared's drama was actually the reason why I am always so doubtful of any accusation. I blindly went against him and felt stupid later.

@ChangedMyNameFinally69

Жыл бұрын

Yet in the time since numerous other YTers have been credibly outed as creeps

@wsx3268

Жыл бұрын

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Creeps existing does not mean one should not still wait on the burden of proof before passing judgement.

@ChangedMyNameFinally69

Жыл бұрын

@@wsx3268 It also means you don't automatically suspect fraud either

@stevenclark1662

Жыл бұрын

You've matured a little, that is a good thing that came from all of this. I did the same thing once, I don't even remember what the controversy was anymore, but I ended up being on the wrong end and felt like a huge a-hole.

@YEETUSDAFEETUS

Жыл бұрын

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 doubting isn't assuming fraud doubting is more caution on taking it as absolute truth it's not black and white like you seem to think

The ProJared situation hammered home how important taking the "wait and see what all sides show and tell" first is to true critial thinking

"I want a poly marriage." **Jared listens** "WOW, I'M UPSET YOU'RE SEEING SOMEONE AND I DON'T LIKE IT, STOP IT NOW!" No heros in this story, but there's a clear super villian. Edit: Jared said a lot of, "hey, I did this, I did that," with a decent amount of evidence. Heidi said a lot of, "he did this, he did that," with very, very little evidence.

I'm a fan of Jared even met him twice when he came to cons in my state; absolutely sweet and funny guy, he even remembered me. It sucks that he got pushed through the wringer and I felt so bad for him. I'm happy he's still making good videos and I love his FF retrospectives recently.

@YakubTheKid

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I met him at a con too a little while before the allegations happened and it was genuinely like meeting an old friend

@Deep_wolf

Жыл бұрын

His kinect and ps move videos were hilarious back in a day.

@deusprogrammer_thekingofspace

Жыл бұрын

Cosplayed with him at Onicon one year in a Final Fantasy group cosplay (he was Thief, I was Black Mage, Marzgurl was Red Mage, FirstKnight Josh was Fighter, and Heidi was a really awesome White Mage). He really was a nice guy as far as I could tell. Got a little upset when he didn’t remember who I was at SGC one year, but I’m over it now. Can’t expect him to remember a nobody like me.

@VelvetAura

Жыл бұрын

@@deusprogrammer_thekingofspace I can't imagine how many faces content creators see at those cons. It sucks but don't take it personally

@nicholasmorgan7609

Жыл бұрын

He still threw Jon under the bus, so I can't say I have any love for him

this whole thing was a massive moment for me to get away from h3 and that community, he took such a weird stance on it

@dustydew

Жыл бұрын

Damn !!!!!!!!!!!!

@c.j.4180

Жыл бұрын

Ethan talking about how goofy Jared looks really came across as somewhat...in bad taste given Ethan isn't exactly Brad Pitt himself. Like, I've enjoyed H3's content far more than I ever have Jared's, no lie, but that really just came across as...nah, this ain't it.

@toophoot2757

Жыл бұрын

@@c.j.4180 you enjoy his content?!?!

@topperDL

Жыл бұрын

Kinda weird that Ethan was roasting Jared so much on his appearance when he looks like shorter hair Hila

@sofern2681

Жыл бұрын

Yeah he was really off base on the projared thing. Im glad his crew keep him from doing that kinda thing now. I really enjoy their podcast but to each their own.

I had a friend who was a big fan of ProJared, I was unfamiliar with him myself. When all this went down I felt a little bad because I thought my friend might feel betrayed, but we lost contact for unrelated reasons. I hope he held out and remains a fan.

Projared's Two Worlds reviews and many of his others are so good I'll go back and watch them fairly regularly. I'd recommend them to anyone into game reviews

i remember feeling so sad for humanity when every content creator i watched started ragging on someone's appearance like high school bullies. everyone jumped on believing Heidi right away. but if i didn't watch Jared's channel for 10 year, maybe i would have been on Heidi's side too...

@Ttegegg

Жыл бұрын

Where all but ants. Just fellowing the scents

@tempestsquall5882

Жыл бұрын

maybe you should start thinking for yourself then and not care about what others think

@rj.thebean6671

Жыл бұрын

@@tempestsquall5882 Herd mentality is almost impossible to avoid. You can sit there on your high horse and tell people to think for themselves, but EVERYONE can fall into the trap of believing the dominant narrative, no matter how strong willed or self righteous you are.

@joshuabacker2363

9 ай бұрын

@@rj.thebean6671 It's impossible to avoid for ordinary people with no ability to introspect at all* There's no 'high horse' or 'self righteousness' to this, btw, and using such emotionally charged accusations shows that you've learned nothing from Projared's incident.

I think the saddest part of this is Jared still get called a cheater and struggle to even get back 900k subs when he was at a million before eveything happen

@insensitive919

Жыл бұрын

Sub count doesn't mean much.

@shivamchouhan5077

Жыл бұрын

@@insensitive919 It does, but not much as a new subscriber of projared I hope he gets a million subs back

@WillieManga

Жыл бұрын

He does not need a million. That 888k and response prove to me he still deserves support

@based980

Жыл бұрын

dude he still hasnt recovered in terms of subscribers

@MobiusGT

Жыл бұрын

Part of why he didn't get back his subscribers is his lack of uploads. That said I still enjoy watching his videos every now and then

Ethan and Hila laughing over how another person looks is wild.

@LC-iw3ll

5 ай бұрын

People hated on Jared because he fucked multiple baddies and were jealous

@EQOAnostalgia

3 ай бұрын

@@LC-iw3ll tf does that even mean? lol.

@weebs1051

Ай бұрын

@@EQOAnostalgiathey’re not ugly but they aren’t Victoria secret models either. Ethan is an obese middle age man with a receding hairline and hila is just a normal looking girl

Almost a year removed from this vid and even then its been kinda eventful for all four to say the least... Jared - Split with Holly in November 2022, Now in the 90s, Lets Play doing okay, main channel stuck at 888k for ages before dropping, fashion stuff. Heidi - Still cosplaying, opened a shop somewhere, Cottagecore, Aries the Cat passed away, not much heard from her otherwise. Holly - Started a business, Twitter meltdowns, tried to make allegations against Ross, insinuated dirt on Game Grumps. Maybe got it the worst in the long term, borderline lolcow if you're into that phrasing. Ross - Found Giwi, killing it on Twitch, dipped from the Grumps and doing his own thing, over a million subs and struck GOLD with Gartic Phone.

@thesacredflame663

10 ай бұрын

I’m glad for Ross ❤

@db_524

9 ай бұрын

Oh no, not Aries. In spite of my grievances towards Heidi, I’m heartbroken to hear about Aries passing away. Very pretty kitty.

Morals of the story: 1. Keep your relationship drama off of the net 2. Don't invite fans to send and exchange nudes 3. Polyamory is probably a bad idea when you have a pre-existing LTR

@rayvenkman2087

Жыл бұрын

4. Watch out for the snakes in the grass that calls themselves “friends”.

@HeyItsJonny

Жыл бұрын

@@rayvenkman2087 5. Don't drink the kool-aid.

@jesuszamora6949

Жыл бұрын

Polyamory doesn't work unless you and the other person are INSANELY mature.

@angelirizarry2666

Жыл бұрын

@@jesuszamora6949 true true

@insensitive919

Жыл бұрын

Does it count as polyamory? Sounds like they didn't have a relationship at all after the "open" part started. Sham marriage is a better term, I think.

It is strange how people switched on a dime to be pro revenge porn.

@chavaspada

Жыл бұрын

Same with Hulk Hogan.

@kwarra-an

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's super fucked up. It doesn't matter if you think the person did something bad (or if the person provably did something bad), it's awful to post that stuff.

@jackthompson6383

Жыл бұрын

When the accusations came out I posted something on Twitter like, "let's wait and see the evidence first before we get the pitchforks out." Boy was that a mistake... was instantly flooded with a mob sending me nudes of Jared. It is what made me finally quit Twitter. Total cesspool.

A Screwattack documentary would be great. Early online gaming community was awesome to be around to see.

I lived this drama when it was out. Huge bits of the story were missed out in this video - and I wish I still had the 'receipts' from the time - were Heidi found Jared's old mobile phone and the nudes were primarily leaked from that device, as there were texts where she was blackmailing/threatening him with it. And that she assumably stumbled upon both Charlie's during this period. It's unsure how involved she was with the minor-soliciting scandal, but she was a part of it as she mentioned it first. When JTK says Heidi was quiet during an early period of the scandal...yes and no. She was quiet on her own Twitter, but she was active everywhere else spreading the narrative alongside the two Charlies AND on facebook (where she was the first to drop a post about the whole ordeal). And lastly, though there wasn't concrete evidence it was Heidi who wanted an open relationship just for herself originally. She forced Jared to do it later as he had issues with the arrangement, but he eventually benefitted from it emotionally connecting with someone as his wife was - and let's not kid ourselves - abusing him emotionally. That is known, what isn't clear is if she had a side boyfriend the entire time, but it was suspected a male consplayer she was seemingly at every event with from a certain point (prior to them opening their marriage for her) up until the scandal was the guy, as fans had come forward noticing them together and Jared's marriage was a hot topic in inner circles due to Heidi flaunting herself with another guy at conventions. Yeah, Heidi was a selfish abusive monster, and she only proved the point with her tirade for weeks after his clapback video. Girl wouldn't let it go, but it was noted she stopped saying specific things, so she probably got a stern letter from his lawyer to pack it in otherwise he'd seek legal action, which is something he alluded to but didn't want to take legal action and just call it quits.

What I’m taking from Heidi is “I got to fuck a bunch of dudes when I wanted to but Jared wasn’t allowed to talk to another woman without my consent” Sorry but she’s definitely not a victim

@sebastiantafoya3609

Жыл бұрын

What I took from this: Jared could have said no to Holly and yet he chose to sleep with his friends wife. I am happy his channel didn't recover, Ross is a national treasure.

@HenrikSven

Жыл бұрын

@@sebastiantafoya3609 No from what I understand they were no longer married at that point, so it wasn’t him sleeping with someone’s wife. Maybe make sure you actually know what you’re talking about before talking about how happy you are someone’s livelihood is much worse off.

@LangkeeLongkee

Жыл бұрын

What I got was that he violated perimeters of their relationship. You can still cheat in a poly relationship. She withdrew her consent after that.

@KaelumKrispr

Жыл бұрын

Yeah she's a very clear abuser, she really didn't suffer any backlash for trying to manipulate Jared

@LangkeeLongkee

Жыл бұрын

@Chrry Cola yip, that's me. Just like a woman to recognize the boundaries of a relationship that were set and uphold them. Just like man like you to not give a shit.

He really does some of the best writing and explains why he does/doesn’t love the game he reviews

@kanchomerocks12

Жыл бұрын

Eh... His Sonic Adventure 2 video is pretty bad

@kosherpickle2598

Жыл бұрын

@@kanchomerocks12 His Sonic Adventure 2 video does precisely what PS Rewind said: Explains why he does/doesn't love the game. Sonic people are so upset about it because he presents his opinion as fact.

@MrStupidarmy

Жыл бұрын

Eh no... he was hit and miss reviewer. Remember Metal Gear Rising review?

@kosherpickle2598

Жыл бұрын

@@MrStupidarmy I remember he didn't enjoy the game. Which... doesn't mean the game is bad. I didn't enjoy it much either.

@missspectra

Жыл бұрын

@@kosherpickle2598 He presents his opinion with confidence as a critic, because the fact that it's his opinion should go without saying.

This should be called the Rise and Fall and Rise of ProJared.

@serenitynow85

Жыл бұрын

Yes

The ProJared situation really reminds me of a line from an old Simpson's episode. A joke then, but far too common in recent years. "Your tears say more than real evidence ever could."

@Gestersmek

Жыл бұрын

That entire episode aged like a fine wine.

@IamjustBruh

Жыл бұрын

That wasn’t just a proverb. That was a prophecy!

@IamjustBruh

Жыл бұрын

That wasn’t just a proverb. That was a prophecy!

@Drekromancer

Жыл бұрын

@@Gestersmek Indeed. Homer Badman was ahead of its time.

@Paranomalous

Жыл бұрын

Amber Heard couldn’t even manage fake tears.

Man... It's sad to see that his former partners are at multiple million subs and on partnerships while Jared was ultimately left alone with a shadowbanned channel and a blacklisted presence on the internet. He's still one of the most talented game reviewers and presenters on the platform btw.

Ironically, the real victim is the whole controversy. Was rubber ross.

@coryfusting9294

3 ай бұрын

He ended up doing better than the other three in the long run

Wow, it’s stories like this that make me happy I go outside for fun and not on Twitter.

@rayvenkman2087

Жыл бұрын

Twitter’s a monument to human failure and the fact the vocal minorities has such sway in a lot of things only adds to it.

@YEETUSDAFEETUS

Жыл бұрын

Twitter is fun to watch they will lose their minds over the simplist shit

@insensitive919

Жыл бұрын

Twitter lays eggs in your brain. I'm no Mary Poppins even on a good day, but I started to feel like twitter was designed to coax negative feelings out of me. Other Social media can be toxic too, but twitter is worse somehow.

@jslimefeld

Жыл бұрын

@@insensitive919 your need to monologue is really pathetic

@Cr102y

Жыл бұрын

You’re watching a drama video on KZread,it’s not any different than Twitter honestly. Social media in general isn’t any different honestly,Twitter is simply the new scapegoat,just like Tumblr was years ago.

It's a shitty situation, because what Jared did was worthy of criticism, it was just paired with awful awful lies

I like how people use to love Hollie, say stuff like “she’s a queen” and saying she’s pretty and then instantly turning to “she’s Gollum” after she did something people didn’t like lol

@bluedistortions

8 күн бұрын

Probably all self proclaimed feminists as well.

When your partner asks for an "open relationship," youre already in one. The only correct response is "goodbye"

I like how a simple accusation is enough to kill someone’s image. Good thing history doesn’t show us burning women at the stake of being called a witch or anything.

@YEETUSDAFEETUS

Жыл бұрын

yeah that'd be barbaric it's much easier to throw em in a lake

@sheep3866

Жыл бұрын

Yeah these days it's the witches determining who gets burned

@aradiamegido2965

Жыл бұрын

sheep comment

@sheep3866

Жыл бұрын

Baaaaaaaah

@rediornaut7018

Жыл бұрын

Commenters like Sheep and Aradia proving Tom's point.

"Ugly man with big nose did horrible thing, lets make fun of ugly man with big nose hahaha. what do you mean he didn't actually do anything wrong"

Seriously dude, if you had just told me that a picture of Jared in a Sailor Moon outfit existed, I would have taken your word for it. No proof was needed.

Imagine wanting an open relationship, then getting mad when your partner follows through with it too

@Jasper-Holland

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, Heidi is in the wrong

@metademetra

Жыл бұрын

It's called "wanting an excuse to cheat freely and getting mad when your husband doesn't act like a doormat."

@BlackHeart1216

Жыл бұрын

That's generally how it goes actually.

@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756

Жыл бұрын

@@BlackHeart1216 yep generally the open relationship thing is to justify current cheating or a desire to cheat with someone specific. Very little is about your partner playing around. Not always but often enough to be the stereotype

@Snakee423

Жыл бұрын

Wellcome to woman.

What I regret the most, is I joined in on the cancel culture when it had happened. He was my top favorite KZreadr to watch, but my own colors showed as soon as something happened. He was right about the fact that his personal life had nothing to do with us. Even if he had cheated, he didn't murder anyone, he didn't do anything illegal. However the outage of the accusations, I was definitely shocked by and I think that's what really made me join the cancel culture. After he uploaded his response video, I felt relieved, but also guilty. I love his content today and I still watch him.

@casperskye

Жыл бұрын

I was also a part of the whole Jared cheats on his hot wife with a lesser attractive woman clash, and looking back on it now. I'm a dumbass. It's funny to me because, Holly is the type of person I'd be more attracted towards than Heidi. Really feckin dumb.

@addex1236

Жыл бұрын

That's the boat I'm in like the worst actuations were false it seems and yah his marriage really wasn't anyone else's business

@YoshifreakZX

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I was part of the hate bandwagon too and I heavily regret it. At least I learned a lesson from it though.

@MilenAnessar

Жыл бұрын

At least you guys regret it and still find truth, most I saw just join bashing him in the hate bandwagon then just moved on satisfied without ever look back of what happen next and still believe they're right. I remembered talking about Jared after everything cleared out for a while and then some people I know said "Oh that "send nude" cheating wife guy still doing things?", so I threw them his video dunno if they watch it but I hope they did so they can see the other side. About my stand when it was fresh, I was kinda neutral. I like his contents but not really a big fan or anything, and I was shock at everything throwing around the drama. All I thought was "If it's true that's bad, but I want to see every sides first before I can judge", I'm glad I had that thought.

Pro Jared has a new KZread "Now in the 90s." It comes out every Friday and they talk about video games that came out that week 30 years ago. I like it quite a bit.

@chexmixkitty

5 ай бұрын

yeah, it's pretty good. I know it's exploiting nostalgia, but that's why I like it. I love the shots of the old magazines I used to read as a kid.

@martineastman9855

5 ай бұрын

@@chexmixkitty Yeah, I agree. A little nostalgia exploitation isn't such a big deal, if the content is actually decent.

Ethen Klein mocking anyones looks is embarrassing. His wife giggling along. those 2 are amongst the few people who look weirder than Jared.

@blackrose8418

8 ай бұрын

Ethan making fun of anyone's appeqrences is peak irony

This reminds me so much of the Slazo situation. No matter how many times this happens, no one will ever learn or change their behavior. It's not about actually holding people accountable for their actions, it's never been about that. It's just sad, pathetic people trying to convince themselves that their high horse is the highest.

@stevenguitink5947

Жыл бұрын

I suspect part of that is because on the Internet, everything lasts. And if you're someone like Philip DeFranco, who makes his living reporting and the news and presenting as reliable, you're not going to pull an about face and apologize, because to the audience you're trying to cultivate, that would make you come across as wishy-washy. Especially if receipts can be pulled of all the times when you made mistakes and recognized them. It's all a long-term business for these people. Never apologize, never surrender.

@ChangedMyNameFinally69

Жыл бұрын

Cosmodore Boyinaband Callmecarson Cryaotic John Bob Skydoesminecraft Lionmaker Miniladd And probably a lot others I don't remember. All credibly accused of being creeps and had their careers rightfully destroyed for it.

@insensitive919

Жыл бұрын

Preach. Uh.. poor choice of words maybe, but I agree. And so many of these people claim to be against "cancel culture", just not when they are the one getting clicks and attention for sending the mob after people. I went off on them in every discord and youtube channel where I knew their fans hung out, until they mass-reported me and got me shadow-banned on those youtube channels, and discord was even more pointless. Never give these people the time of day.

@ChangedMyNameFinally69

Жыл бұрын

@@insensitive919 K

I still enjoy ProJared's content but when I see him nowadays I want to cry. All the stress has aged him immensely. He will live a lower quality life for the rest of his life and the people who lied about and abused him will never see a second of karma drives my blood to boiling temperatures.

@rayvenkman2087

Жыл бұрын

Has any of those schmucks been relevant in the years since? The first and last I watched a video of Arin, I ended up subscribing to OneyPlays instead.

@karlsparx9077

Жыл бұрын

@@rayvenkman2087 Chris and the Gang are 100 times better

@rayvenkman2087

Жыл бұрын

@@karlsparx9077 Arin/Egorapier always give me that insufferable, almost smarmy kind of aura with him and a worse moaner than CM Punk. A toxic influence when it comes to the perception of several video games including Sonic the Hedgehog who’s the worst affected by him. Chris and his lot would take the piss out of a game like Vice City but you can tell they’re having fun when messing around in it, even when it’s not very good.

@karlsparx9077

Жыл бұрын

@@rayvenkman2087 Arins honestly a lolcow if he didn't have thousands of unironic fans

@bluesuzaku3229

Жыл бұрын

Karma always catches up to people eventually, just not on our whims.

I met Jared at Zulu's in Bothell, WA. I recognized him even with his mask on and he was super cool. let me get a pic with him then we talked about content (I'm a very small streamer/sometimes youtube uploader). Got to tell him how much I loved his OG Nuzlocke with Nuptup (Oddish). Anyway, what happened to him was disgusting. He didnt do anything wrong. His kinks are his own but nothing he did with/showed that girl was outside of consent at all.

It just goes to show that people don't care about the issues. They just want someone to clown on that won't get them judged for it. As soon as someone "deserves it," the mask of being a good person comes off. All the comments about Jared "downgrading" are especially disgusting, treating both women like all that matters is their looks.

I will never forget the day ProJared released his response to the drama, and his line "I have the receipts" it was iconic

@Paranomalous

Жыл бұрын

He couldn’t even deny the obvious truth.

@weberman173

Жыл бұрын

@@Paranomalous could you please tell me who you are refereing to and which "obvious truth" he could not deny.... if you mean jared... he denied any accusation that actually matterd, namely that he isnt a pedophilia, and he at least gave us enough info to make up our own mind if he was an abusive asshole(because thats something that isnt easy to prove after the fact from a third partys perspective)

@Paranomalous

Жыл бұрын

@@weberman173 Are you his lawyer? Because then you would know that there’s no coming back. If you aren’t, what a waste of time and money.

@weberman173

Жыл бұрын

@@Paranomalous coming back to where? his channel is (ignoring subscribers which is a pretty bad metric to meassure someones sucess anyway as 70% or more are often Dead subs anyway that only count as a number without engaging in yoru content..) pretty much where it was before potentialy slightly worse off, his twitch channel is more sucesfull then before, he is earning enough money to live of it(or has enough saving even after the divorce for it to not matter) and he makes videos that he wants to make.... so his professional buisness side clearly came out ok. his reputation online is hit or miss, but its seemigly good enough that he can continue to recieve add revenue on twitch and YT etc. his personal life?`thats 100% not our problem, he talked to his lawyers, he had the proof and evidence, the divorce happend(or should by now) and most importantly.. there was no huge fucking arrest for him KNOWINGLY posessing and/or soliciting nudes from minors.... So that its pretty clear that any accusations in that regard where either untrue, or lacked any sort of supporting evidence required to get law enforcements involved. So once again, pray tell, which part of him will "never come back from this" as stated before professonally he is doing alright. Legally nothign came of this as far as we can tell. And privatly? thats his own thing to come to terms with, but given how he handels himself on video on stream, he seems to be genuinly happy again. thats littearly all that mattersI(as long as he makes enough to live obv)

@Paranomalous

Жыл бұрын

@@weberman173 Then what are you defending against?

For a long time Jared fan watching all the drama unfold was painful. Seeing a channel get destroyed like that (a channel he worked really hard on nonetheless) was very upsetting. I was so glad when he came back. Maybe his channel will never recover for the aftermath of the drama but it's still nice to watch new videos he puts out. He works hard on them so he really deserves more success.

@TheAfker

Жыл бұрын

i mean he (if i remember right) had just hit 1m subs when the drama came out, and now 3 years layer he's nearly back to 900k subs. unfortunatly i dont think his channel will ever full recover from it

@EmmanQuinones5234

Жыл бұрын

^ This I agree HOWEVER compared to before, his following might be smaller BUT he is much better as a creator and as a person. After surviving that*insane* debacle, I still think Jared came out of it positively along with his current small community.

@TheAfker

Жыл бұрын

@@EmmanQuinones5234 i really hope that everyone in his community (not his subs i mean the video game video making community) have seen his video wit hthe evidence. cos i would love to see some projared collab videos again. the opening of poke poke with pbg is still one of my favs

@coryfusting9294

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAfker he's been at 888k for over a year now. That can't be a coincidence.

@spellshellmobile2046

Жыл бұрын

There's something wrong with his sub count. You could look at site with sub statistics. It's constantly drops same amount of subs that it gains every month

Moral of the story: Open Relationships and Online Nudes are doodoo

Imagine how much better society would be without social media

@juicebox7372

8 ай бұрын

Can you rethink this comment that you made and really rationalize how life would actually be better without social media

@macaroni745

8 ай бұрын

​@@juicebox7372I don't think his wrong tbh

@thehomiejj7

8 ай бұрын

​@@juicebox7372Did you honestly forget that live existed before the 21st century?

@KuroNoTenno

7 ай бұрын

Honestly, life would be just as shitty. Social media didn't CREATE nasty behavior in people. It only exposed it.

@macaroni745

7 ай бұрын

@@KuroNoTenno Nah it definitely amped it up. People are way more nasty when they're behind a screen

I remember tuning into his first Twitch stream after everything went down, and watching how grateful and overwhelmed he was with the support was a moment that will live with me forever. Dude was in tears at points, and the sub-train lasted for like an hour or two.

@db_524

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I remember watching the 6 hour return stream on Twitch and the 3 hour vod of it on KZread and crying with him throughout the whole thing too. It was very emotional and unforgettable moment.

This whole situation is a perfect example of people just showcasing their own rotten cores. Everybody just got real 3rd grader-y with it and started insulting these people's looks. As if every one of them was sittin there at their computer looking like George Clooney. All those people calling them names were rotten on the inside and in my book, that's way worse than looking like an average human being on the outside. They wanted to shame people for cheating and lying (without evidence) as if they were on the right side morally but then also just shit all over them for their looks. Yeah, sounds great. Sounds like you're all just really upright, upstanding citizens.

@levantine1978

Жыл бұрын

I couldn't agree more. It was perfect encapsulation of what these people find important - appearances. It was all shallow and transparent; the internet equivalent of trash TV. And like you said, for all the body-shaming, it was a whole lot of people who probably shouldn't be throwing stones themselves (by their own standards). And don't get me started on that same community's silence on those who shared his nudes without permission. I wasn't super tuned into this situation when it happened but this breakdown is really enlightening. Drama videos can be entertaining but it's important to remember that these are people and just because you hear something on the internet doesn't make it true.

@Sceptonic

Жыл бұрын

These are the same people who cry wolf and call others racists and sexists for not agreeing with them.

@mikeexits

Жыл бұрын

The internet really magnifies peoples' psychological issues and puts them on full display. It's like parts of the human subconscious turned inside out. You can really tell a lot about someone when they get emotionally inflamed about something that has little to no personal relevance to their actual lives, as in, their firsthand experience of existing outside of technological augmentation via the internet.

@humblegamer7876

Жыл бұрын

Thats a lot of words to skip over and whitewash the part where he was still sourcing his fan communities for people to do little roleplay picture trading bullshit with lol

@VelvetAura

Жыл бұрын

@@humblegamer7876 ok and? Jared has already come clean about all of it and said that he regrets doing it. There is explicit proof that Heidi even supported these actions up until she flipped the script on him. Also wtf does whitewash even mean in this circumstance

I have to say, this is one of the best-executed videos I've seen on this topic. Kudos.

Should be called, "rise, fall, and rise again." Jared did what many on the internet couldn't and he came back better than ever IMO.

@duckgo2296

4 ай бұрын

no he didnt rise. he's still a creep for exchanging nudes with fans. wtf

@biglbigl9229

3 ай бұрын

we'll make that video when he passes 1 million again,

Jared handled himself through this whole ordeal pretty maturely. He waited until he had enough evidence to prove his side before making a statement video, he didn't air his dirty laundry on social media like his wife at the time did and I recall hearing he voluntarily left NormalBoots to avoid causing trouble for them. I don't know when or if Jared's channel will return to its former glory, but he's done really well putting this whole thing behind him.

@stoves5877

Жыл бұрын

wtf? He started this by saying he is getting a divorce and blocking his wife on social media. that is the exact opposite of being mature. Hell if he hadn't done that he probably wouldnt' have gone through all this shit.

@asteria9963

Жыл бұрын

@@stoves5877 Keep victim blaming, kid.

@stoves5877

Жыл бұрын

@@asteria9963 remind me how this all started? Was it with Heidi attacking him? Or was it with Jared blocking his wife and putting out a statement they were getting a divorce?

@RWxAshley

Жыл бұрын

@@stoves5877 his wife announced it first on Facebook and was already calling him an abuser and cheater and everything else. Well before Jared had even filled for divorce and before he made his announce to twitter. And blocking someone on Twitter is where you see something wrong? Really? How? That is probably the best thing he could do is distance himself from her in every way.

@angelirizarry2666

Жыл бұрын

@@asteria9963 the real victims here are the kids that got through his age verification system (if you'd call it that) to join his nude page If you hold a child accountable for the sexual misconduct of an adult, you're victim blaming

This whole thing was a chaotic mess and in regards to the whole cheating/not-cheating/poly/not-poly mess especially. However, it’s messy in the “you shouldn’t open your marriage in an attempt to fix it, that’s not healthy” kind of way. Like Jared says, that’s the private kind of mess that shouldn’t involve or affect us. But the Tumblr stuff is the finest example of actually having receipts to shut down nonsense cancellation fails. Textbook perfect example of how to handle that BS.

“Severe lack of uploads” So he’s got more in common with JonTron than I initially thought

I don’t think the internet realizes how big this moment is in terms of how online drama is handled and perceived. There is a reason I think that if someone has multiple people, usually nobodies, make accusations, the accusations are going to be held in uncertainty. It’s because of shit like this.

another fantastic video from the king

@JoonTheKing

Жыл бұрын

Thank you good sir

@WillieManga

10 ай бұрын

This seems like something you would cover, but I am glad you didn't go after Jared either way, at least not on KZread.

@cpthardluck

6 ай бұрын

​@@JoonTheKingnah your vid is drama channel trash.

I used to follow him, until the drama in 2019. While I don't follow him anymore, mainly because of my own change in content interest. I do regret some of the things I was so quick to believe and said offline while speaking with others. I am just glad the truth is out and everyone has moved on from it.

@uchihasflame1

Жыл бұрын

same i thought at first that maybe it was true but to be more fair i set myself with only unsubbing from him and seeing if in the future the man can clear himself so i only really talked shit in the aspect i said in some comments that if true i would be very disappointed in the man since i loved his content i then proceeded to leave and wait for a response that never came then forgot about him. Then once the video of his response came out i saw it recomened to me and was like "finally lets see your side then" after watching and comparing to the twitter comments i personally felt that jared was given the raw deal the only thing i think he really did wrong was that as someone with some fame making a place to swap nudes could be a power dynamic issue but thats really more of a smaller moral issue not a massive one like cheating on your wife or a crime like being into kids.

@Superluigi881

Жыл бұрын

@@uchihasflame1 It amuses me that Jared's career was almost destroyed on baseless allegations about him being into kids. But now a handful of freaks on Twitter are trying to normalise being into kids. Even Netflix weighed in with Cuties. Probably the most disgusting film ever created.

@uchihasflame1

Жыл бұрын

@@Superluigi881 As messed up as it is to say i still believe in putting those freaks in their own prison and doing some hungar games type of thing called last pedo standing lol id watch it.

@gaaraxnaru

Жыл бұрын

@The Comment Year Bot This is so not true. Power dynamics definitely work with not just children, but anyone who you (or sometimes the law) perceive in a position a power over you. That's why bosses can't sleep with employees or professors with college students, etc. It's murky and can lead to all types of shenanigans. Celebrities are no different. You named exceptions to the rule, but most fans should NOT be in a relationship with their idol. Think about it. They usually have a case of hero worship or believe they're a certain way when they really aren't. It's not healthy for the fan or the creator.

@jsc315

Жыл бұрын

@The Comment Year Bot having sexual relationship with your fanbase absolutely is an abuse of power.