This video caused me so much pain I'm now in hospital 😩😩😩

@namesjorrington8555

Жыл бұрын

hope you recover

@user-bm3hu5bm3b

Жыл бұрын

a normal hospital must be more op than a field one so don't worry

@haukionkannel

Жыл бұрын

@@user-bm3hu5bm3b Yes, the trickleback form modern hospistals is quite OP, so I am hopeful!

@greenedleaf2481

Жыл бұрын

Get life also

@jacksonidontwhatyoutoknowm9480

Жыл бұрын

Wat

While battleplan is a lazy way out, I don't think anything can compare to the joy of your battleplan completely overrunning the enemy front on mass assault

@DJSAM3TUN3

Жыл бұрын

@Skylark dude, I wrote a comment about gameplay aesthetics and you answer with bringing politics here for some reason. Uncool

You completely forgot the XP you retain from losses. That is the main reason to use it.

@wouterkessel4852

Жыл бұрын

As smaller countries the manpower is more of a reason behind it

@DaveFeedBackGaming

Жыл бұрын

I didn't. It didn't work

@chusnacho4447

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveFeedBackGaming are they bugged and the xp part does not work? it did some patches ago when i checked :S

@xdeepxfreezex2621

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveFeedBackGaming Doesnt Switzerland still get focuses that boosts the efficiency of field hospitals essentially negating losses in combat?

@thelordofcringe

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveFeedBackGaming it did for like, one patch and then they broke it again.

Competent france with frenchbackgaming scares me 😳💀

Ah finally someone who respects the field hospitals. Some of my boys have suffered 3 broken legs, 5 broken rigs, and a detached arm! And he’s still fighting!

“Why are you battle planning”. Because I don’t feel like moving each division in the front.

@janbo8331

Жыл бұрын

Right on. It's a grand strategy game, after all. If one wants to micro individual divisions I'd strongly suggest HOI 3. I find it much more nuanced in terms of actual battles. For production etc. HOI 4 is better - as well as for utilizing the AI.

The reason why I LOVE field hospitals are the bonuses you get for having more experienced units, +25% for regular and I think it’s another 25% for every level after that. That’s why you were able to steamroll them in my opinion. They are expensive, but I think they’re worth it

@deezboyeed6764

Жыл бұрын

That mechanic is bugged, so if anything hospitals weaken.

@BigStrap

Жыл бұрын

@@deezboyeed6764 how so? I could see a bug rendering them ineffective or useless, but actually counterproductive is interesting.

@deezboyeed6764

Жыл бұрын

@@BigStrap when a support unit is added on it weakens the unit lowering org and HP as well as things like soft attack, needing more equipement etc so a support division that doesnt work for its purpose and is bugged it just becomes a drain.

@BigStrap

Жыл бұрын

@@deezboyeed6764 Makes sense, thank you!

For years we were told they’re useless lol.

@DaveFeedBackGaming

Жыл бұрын

Conclusion at the end

@giogio51592

Жыл бұрын

they're actually good for two countries - carlist spain and switzerland, because they have similar bonuses in their nationals spirits, that stack with field hospitals, other than that - meh

@purplefood1

Жыл бұрын

It's not that they're useless it's more that the trade-offs don't make a lot of sense. If you have the industry for field hospitals you also often have a fairly good manpower pool and similarly if you lack manpower you often also lack the industry for field hospitals.

@J7Handle

Жыл бұрын

@@purplefood1 I've been grinding my volunteer divisions and finding that even if I get to Veteran experience, the moment I get supply back I go down to seasoned or even regular experience. If I thought to put field hospitals on my best units it might have been easier to make them Veteran.

@purplefood1

Жыл бұрын

@@J7Handle Yeah most conversations around the field hospitals are to do with manpower rather than XP retention,

Look at the experience of your units. That's the real benefit

Probably the easiest way to test how effective they are is make a save. Have the battle plan play itself with field hospitals. Reload the save, remove field hospitals from division template, and run the exact same battle plan. At the end compare the casualties to see the difference.

@Ilya18

Жыл бұрын

I've actually done this exact test months ago as Germany vs USSR. My result was that I had twice fewer casualties, despite using level 3 hospitals at -40% casualties. I think that hospitals are definitely good, but it's just a shame that they're a pain to produce due to needing two production lines. Because of this, the small countries that would benefit the most from them usually can't afford them.

@tezix5172

Жыл бұрын

@@Ilya18 why "despite"? it works as intended, 40%-50% are probably in the rng margin of error

@summerblossom7804

9 ай бұрын

@@Ilya18 It's because you trickle back and that can be trickled back etc

I always use field hospitals and maintenance support. Your division normally dont lose because they are weaker, but because they cannot reinforce the manpower nore equipment fast enough.

@jakecoyne3919

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, someone has finally said it. Idk but every since by blood alone, loss of equipment is so severe that if you aren't producing like 100+ guns per day you can't win easily

@theaverageitaliandon998

Жыл бұрын

@@jakecoyne3919 honestly attrition rates after by blood alone have been outrageous, your soldiers go through infantry equipment like toilet paper .

Field hospitals have a runaway effect associated with them, due to how a general (or a field marshal) receives points toward his next promotion. Promotion points earned each day have a multiplier, based on the day's casualty ratio. If the casualty ratio is in your favor for example by 4 to 1 or more, your general gets points toward his next promotion at 4x the nominal rate, while the enemy general gets points toward his next promotion at only 0.25x the nominal rate. If your general and your field marshal are as a result is getting promotion points 16 times as fast as the enemy general and the enemy field marshal, your general and your field marshal soon get combat bonus gains that the enemy general and field marshal won't see for a long time, tipping the casualty ratio even more in your favor. Short version: A field hospital support company helps your generals and field marshals get promoted, which in turn leads to the casualty ratio shifting even more in your favor.

So if you’re a big enough power, you can afford to throw the lives away. Historical

Field Hospitals are a must-have for countries that have semi-decent industry for their size but no manpower, like Hungary. They are also severely underrated because they are a long-term investment, and few play long games.

Paradox needs to make it so Manpower has subdivisions. A certain percentage of it should be trained, and that allows for replenishing divisions of higher experience that have taken losses. It should be faster to produce a division of trained manpower too. Field hospitals should take a certain percent of casualties, and add them to the trained manpower pool, to represent them having to recover and eventually either returning to the front or transferring to something else.

one of the fun thing when by blood alone came out, idk if they fix this. but Switzerland focus give your field hospital so much trickle back that you actually gain manpower when fighting.

I used them a lot as Denmark , it was my only way to save at least some manpower while holding axis back

Field Hospitals have always been strong in the way the thought people would play, or how most normal players do. Using them and battleplans not only gets more experience on their units, and their generals as well since less casualties helps them level too and both compliment each other. While other ways to play has come and gone, field hospitals have always been strong as that is how they intend people to play, but always weaker than micro managing and using whatever is found to be strongest that particular patch.

@deezboyeed6764

Жыл бұрын

The experience retention of hospitals doesnt work its bugged.

@deezboyeed6764

Жыл бұрын

@Mr Quiz what I said, it was bugged last time I checked.

You have to keep in mind you're basically not losing man power so long you're defending only. You're break even in XP rather then losing it. Mix in losing no war support. So long you don't instantly lose in defenses, you can just run out their man power and win. A simular thing happens with equipment squads. You can end up stealing more then you lose depending on the set up.

Whenever I play as Belgium, field hospitals are essential if you’re going to last more than six months

5:52 We got Fnaf’d

I don't know what the problem with battleplans is... I always use them and never lose.

Important to add is that you immediately had lvl4 FH so they were a lot better

@Ema6835

8 ай бұрын

Genius

Thanks for doing an analysis on field hospitals! I was quick to M.A.S.H. the like button.

You can actually check the battle log to check your "real" casualties - before the trickleback is applied. Personally, i don't think Field Hospitals are good in early game, vanilla, HOI4, but with expert ai and in 1943 - 1944 (you know, when the game is actually hard), they're quite useful. Especially when fighting a attrition war a against really buffed USSR as Germany, that 40% less casualties is incredibly useful.

Thanks for the French musics, love to hear an accurate theme like this!

when you had Toreadors start playing i got flash backs because i just had an Orchestra Concert that we played it in.

If you have a save from before the big push, a second push without hospitals would give something to compare to.

The Field Hospital can also make a difference in battle. Different exp has -25%,0%,25%,50%,75% buffs. If you trains your units into level 3 wit 25% buff. Without it, it is easily went back to level 2 with 0%, level 2 into level 1 -25%. This is sth not mentioned in video.

The ocean‘s eleven editing at the end… so beautiful

FrenchBackGaming using field hospitals level 4 : *launching Operation Unthinkable and losing 315K+ manpower* Me playing USA with 100% armored divisions with field hospitals level 4, launching Operation Unthinkable in 1945 or even 1947, losing a mere 10-20K men with battleplans : *First time, huh ?*

@DaveFeedBackGaming

Жыл бұрын

Didn't realize it was a competition. Ok I have a gf. 👌

you should have done this as Switzerland they have a focus that buffs field hospitals

@dwightd.eisenhower2031

Жыл бұрын

Or carlist Spain

When the French are paranoid about the return of the Black Plague

If you used a bit more armour to lessen the casulities a bit it would have helped more. Because your putting them into infantry division heavy tanks with their slow speed and high armor work well.

Field hospitals wetre very useful for minor nations or major nations that have manpower problems but with the new dlc they have become more important for the wider war effort

@rabniscraft1804

Жыл бұрын

@Mr Quiz You see, with the new Dlc By blood alone a feature has come in where casualties reduce your war support but when you have field hospitals your overall casualties sink

The biggest use is for small nations without much manpower, there's also the plus of retained XP but in general if you're playing an easier major nation there's not much use for em' that super much.

Hi Dave! Loves from Turkey!

i like field hospitals because the need to RP has my soul in a deathgrip.

Thanks bro

"FrenchBackGaming" was amazing lol

I like field hospitals in high-industry, low-manpower nations, which needless to say is exceptionally rare, but the few that exist (Belgium or the Baltics for example) I find they do rather well on.

Fun fact, if you core Algeria you can lose everything on the west side of the river going through France (forgot the name)

ngl that picture for the light tank looked really really vile

Switzerland has a focus that also grants some bonuses to trickleback rate

I kinda really wonder how much more combat effective veterans are than regulars and experienced divisions. Because if it's a considerable amount, I've always seen field hospitals as insanely good, even if you micro. I never focused on the casualties, but rather on the exp loss.

I would’ve thought that field hospitals would be useful in breakthrough units so they can keep their high level of verterancy and benefit from the bonus stats. Whenever I use tanks or some type of breakthrough like that they don’t really ever go above lvl 2 xp so they don’t get any bonuses.

Now I wonder if maxed anti-tank guns could make an infantry division destroy enemy tank divisions

>Me who used Field hospitals since ever because i felt sorry about my soldiers

It should be possible to make a savegame just before the war and fight the same fight with and without FH in the template. Then compare the end results on your toop experience, manpower, losses etc. I wonder if this affects equipment losses too?

FeedBackGaming, as a French I would like you to go in the past and take control of the entire French army

There are a lot of things in HOI4 that people will take or leave depending on whether they want it or not

my main front line divisions will embrace the soldierwith gun next to tent life.

C'est formidable

Debussy is wonderful. Like

It will be useful for the soviets

What was the experience of the troops after the war? I've found field hospitals are key in getting elite troops.

"Fully decked out hosbal"

perfect fnaf 1 song into a hoi4 game.

I have been trying to tell people about this.

They're a godsend for going inf with small pop nations cough cough Canada that does steel car

Does the XP retention work as intended? I feel like the bonus itself could be quite useful if so, help keep high experience divisions - But at the same time I wouldn't be surprised considering how some mechanics in HOI either don't work at all or not as intended (Is the Maintenance like that? I feel like equipment capture is crap, I tried it and Field hospitals for a PRC game in the 8 Years resistance mod and I was always struggling for manpower and guns basically until I had united china, and I had a decision giving another 1% equipment capture and had managed to snag some more territory in the west for manpower and industry but yk)

I am personally bad at the game so most of the time I would battleplan and then if its necessery to fasten the war I will do small amount of micro

Therapist Frenchbackgaming doesn't exist and he can't hurt you

I told ya its OP especially worth it in every minor nation

Casual nuclear explosion in the background

It would make sense to try this hospital in sPain

FH should give an org bonus (more moral)

Field hospitals should be attached to army groups like the rail guns, I don't have any open slots for field hospitals.

2:44 Pissing off your entire Belgian subscriber base speedrun any% new record

5:48 music 💀💀

The best timeline.

I always use mass asault and battle plan.

well, sadly, there were no CRITICAL MASS of airplanes

@DaveFeedBackGaming

Жыл бұрын

XD

Ive always made field hospitals, even if they arent that good and its just a video game I dont like high casualties.

Ah yes. What is effectively a soft times two to manpower is overpowered. Who would have guessed?

If you do that "french" opening again i will shoot myself in the foot lmao

You don't need them, because "they" normaly have enough manpower... which means field hospitals always work, you just don't value what they do.

well well well how the turntables

Should have shown if you had any vetern troops after your russia push

5:48 France jumpscare

I can't microcontrol normally with lags)

Can you do a Soviet Union no frontline challenge?

max field hospital == French empire

Do field hospitals help reduce losses from occupation?

How did you get max stability as France?

Werent you the exact same guy, telling that those are worthless?? :D

@DaveFeedBackGaming

Жыл бұрын

They still are. Listen to the conclusion at the end

Bellular in a FeedbackGaming vid???????

I heard you use field hospitals for your armor divisions for the xp retention, but then you said they were useless so I stopped running them. 😩😩😩

Im just jealous my pc is trash and my games don't progress very quickly like this

I mean what about max field hospitals in USSR? Infinite manpower for WC!

Like I said before don't be so late. we need you here in KZread 👍❣️ I hope you're fine

save game and take off field hospitals to compare

Do field hospitals make a difference? Has Rudel would say yes!

ALLONS ENFANTS DE LA HÔPITAL

Try to win a game with all your opponents with max buffs.

vive la france!

Use more Claire de Lune

**gets copyrighted by the country of France for playing french national anthem in background**

A pity that battle plans have always sucked and will always suck.

This just shows how nonexistant the AI is...