Just found this oh my do I relate to this women’s story. I was adopted as a baby and raised at the UPC Church. I was so unprepared for the real world. Just knew God was waiting to strike me down if I did the slightest thing wrong. My choices after leaving high school were very limited because what I wanted to do you had to wear the god forbidden pants. I’m so grateful to God He got me out of this cult and truly I found the real Loving Jesus. I pray for all those individuals that are in this organization that have a pure heart before God but are scared to death as I was to do anything. I pray God shows them away of a Escape and I know He will totally heal them as He did within me.

@leavingtheupci239

4 жыл бұрын

Michelle Elmer thanks for your comments and that you found a Jesus that’s full of love and mercy!!

I am a former UPC child. To this day I still live with the trauma on a daily basis and I left in 1996. I can relate to this letter on so many levels. Even when she talks about how mean the girls are. I had so many lie about me cause they were jealous cause I was dating the pastors son. I could write a book about so many horrible things I went through. I even had a pastors wife from a neighboring church stick her finger in my face and call me a slut because the girls in her church lied about me. Her husband was later arrested and convicted of raping those girls in their church. I am so glad I got out. I really appreciate your channel and what you are doing.

@leavingtheupci239

5 жыл бұрын

Tresha Nations Ford Thank you for stopping by, and yes, many suffered a PTSD sort of trauma called Post Traumatic Religious Disorder. 🙁

@Djneyon79

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear this tresha My name is Paul Holmes I'm going to be studying to be a Christian psychologist. If you need help and need someone to talk to or any encouraging word. I'm available at 657-346-5108. I'm an independent apostolic in a upci church but I don't believe what they teach I'm merely here to serve n help others looking to break free. I'm here to serve you all. I love you and so does Jesus no matter what you do, you are loved and known. You don't need no pastors approval for God to love you he loves you just the way you are

@righteousredneck777

Жыл бұрын

So sorry you went through all this.

Thank you for having this channel. There are so many people who have suffered for many years. It takes allot of courage to risk hell for eternity. I did it myself in 1974, a pastors son. I have felt so alone all these years. I never gave up my relationship with God, in fact I left with a mission to spend the rest of my life going to God. I'm 73 now but spiritually I feel like a new man as I grow in Love and Wisdom. I feel so happy to know I'm not alone.

@michellee2990

3 жыл бұрын

I left my UPC church in late February of this past year , and I never want to return . I've been struggling with different things , and I was miserable at the church I was attending . I finally said to myself " that's enough ." While there are good people in the UPC (even the church I attended) , you'll find a lack of compassion among many of it's members . A woman who brought me into the faith when I was 19 years old has always been a tremendous help and encourager . She still attends church and we keep in touch . The church I attended has people that are decent and who sincerely want to serve God . But there's also a paradox : when you go to their church , they'll smile and say " nice to see you , I'm glad you're here ," but you'll also get the feeling of being ignored . While they want people to go to their church and will happily greet them , they are also distant and will barely speak to you . So , while on the surface it all looks good and they seem to be caring people , I see hardly any real compassion from most of its members . They're superficially nice , unless you're a part of their inner circle or someone that is highly esteemed . Since I've left the church , NOT ONE person (outside of the friend I mentioned) has contacted me or has ever come to see me . I find most UPC churches are more concerned about rules and performance than they are in reaching out to the hurting . They want to be soul winners , but a lot of churches are showcases for the saints as opposed to being hospitals for the broken . The poor are usually looked down upon . They'll never acknowledge this , but I know it happens . In UPC churches (but this can apply to any denomination) you'll see a lot of favortism and cliques . There's different reasons why I left my church . There's things that I no longer agree with or just find ridiculous . But the lack of compassion from it's members is one of the primary reasons why I left and NEVER want to return . Though I still believe in God , I've gotten to a place where I don't like organized religion . I see some major contradictions going on . Though I still hold certain beliefs , I've come to view the UPC as an abusive organization . Some churches might be better than others , but I would say most are about the same . I don't want to be a part of the system anymore . So , you're definitely not alone . More and more people are walking away from the UPC or organized religion in general . May God continue to bless and give you peace . ❤️

As someone who grew up UPC, I can relate to this so so so much. I'm extremely glad I left while my kids were really little.

I agree with what she says. Im a UPC pastor son with 3 siblings, none of us attend a UPC church now. I have tried differ churches and find them all to seem more interested in money and control than the love of God. I still have trouble with things I was taught in the UPC that I no longer believe but still haunted by them in some way. We are shunned by family and life long "friends" for leaving. Ill never go back to the judgement and hate

@leavingtheupci239

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, it's sad, as they all think "the backsliders" will come back. What they fail to understand is that many of them WILL come back.... to Jesus, but 99% will never come back to an organization that won't use you on their platform unless you have a certain appearance. That's definitely not the love of God.

@jojo-ir9um

4 жыл бұрын

Bob...I was told Assembly of God believe in two Gods that is a lie...we met people who were missioaries..and Pastors...thats a lie...Go find a good Church...athere are many thousands of people who have left those churches...maybe you don't need a Church family but your children.. So many people get hurt by a Churçh or Pastor...so they refuse to attened church..God didnt leave you or hurt you ..you followed a man....There is something wrong with someone who says they are an Independent Apostolic...going to a UPC...church...helping others to leave??? Talk about decitful...I would run from that one...

I always thought God hated me. I left the church for 30 years. Then I met an amazing (Baptist) friend who taught me patiently about the grace of God. I know one night when I felt like God had turned his back on me. I sat in a hotel room with alcohol and pills to take my life. I contacted my friend. She said to me you are trying to outrun God again. God does not hate you because you decide he does. Nope it does not work like that God loves you right where you are.

I use to be UPC ...I have to ask God every morning to help me not to be bitter.... when I start to miss it I go visit and im suddenly reminded of why I left....prayer protects me now...not the church... never felt love never seen the fruit

Great video ! Truthful video !

I remember when Procter & Gamble put the barcodes on the products That was the beginning of the mark of the beast. this is the first time I have been able to express what the UPC did to me. I don't know any UPC "backsliders" like myself and it is so comforting to hear you speak. It is so comforting to go through this comment section and know that there are other ex UPC out there that know what I feel. Today is the first day in a long time that I felt like I'm not actually going to hell but at the same time that little voice is telling me I'm just comfortable and sin and I'm not going to make it to Heaven until I repent in a UPC and receive the Holy Ghost and speak in tongues again. And that I'm a terrible mother for not raising my children in the church. I've been working on deprogramming myself. Maybe one day. Maybe.

@jenns758

Жыл бұрын

I’m right there with you.

@leatharay3565

Жыл бұрын

Backsliding is used for the Nation of Israel. Not a believer....unless you have turned from Jesus which I doubt you have

So happy to have found this. There's so much comfort in knowing those of us raised in this organization that have since left aren't alone in all we've experienced. The scars left behind are deep and lasting. I witnessed and experienced spiritual, mental and sexual abuse during my childhood years in the UPC... and felt completely alone and shut away from the world during that time. Fortunately for me, the state stepped in and removed me from the situation, but that led to everyone I knew in the church turning their back on me. Adults who knew about the abuse telling my former friends, their children, to shut me out. I spoke out, and was deemed a bad seed. They told them the devil had me and that I would inevitably turn to drugs and all the evil ways of the world. I can confidently say being on the other side of it now, I was left with far more bad than good from that organization. They took more from me than they could ever give me back.

Thank you so much for posting this! 🙂 There are many I know that need it! I am in therapy now trying to heal. I had to apologize to all of my boys and granddaughters....many others for keeping them in there as long as I did. I would have left many, many years ago but felt bound by my husband (he grew up in it). Well, after he was terribly abused he began to see it for what it was and I told him I was done regardless of what he decided. He's seeing more everyday and refuses to go back to any UPC!

@leavingtheupci239

5 жыл бұрын

Catlady so happy you’re happy.

@Djneyon79

4 жыл бұрын

My name is Paul Holmes I'm going to be studying to be a Christian psychologist. If you need help and need someone to talk to or any encouraging word. I'm available at 657-346-5108. I'm an independent apostolic in a upci church but I don't believe what they teach I'm merely here to serve n help others looking to break free. I'm here to serve you all. I love you and so does Jesus no matter what you do, you are loved and known. You don't need no pastors approval for God to love you he loves you just the way you are

It’s almost therapeutic to hear others say what you’ve experienced. You can not talk freely with people that are in this organization, they’re so self righteous but you know they see it too but they can’t make a break from it. ❤️❤️❤️ thanks Lori and Friend for sharing, this was beautiful.

@leavingtheupci239

5 жыл бұрын

I knew it would resonate with so many!

Thank you for the videos y’all make. I have been out of the organization for almost 2 years now. Sometimes when my parents make comments calling me a reprobate, a backslider etc.. they plant doubt in my mind. But I prayed the other day specifically for God to show me if I was wrong for leaving and he sent me a sign the next day that I was in the right place. ❤️

@dadonthetube

5 жыл бұрын

Angel, I left years ago and my relationship with Jesus is SO MUCH MORE REAL now. I pray the same for you. Be Blessed sister. - Kirk

@leavingtheupci239

5 жыл бұрын

You left just after we did! (we weren't raised in it though - big difference!) Your journey is all yours and God's... just make the best of every day, be kind to yourself, and know He's okay where you are.

@leavingtheupci239

5 жыл бұрын

@@dadonthetube Didn't we used to roll our eyes every time we heard a 'backslider' say that. It's so funny because...wow... it's really so very true when you don't rely on someone else to bring you their version of what God has to say, but you actually go to Him yourself to see what He wants for you personally. yeah. -L

@teenasreadingcorner2166

2 жыл бұрын

No you are not . That shows the judgement of people there .

@maryhelencampos9964

Жыл бұрын

Heavenly Father cares for you❤that’s why He Send His Son❤And Holy Ghost to Guide lead Help and teach you❤don’t let satan rob you of GOD’s Promises❤

What an important video. Thank you for continuing to post. Blessings!

I seriously can relate to the fear of being left behind and alone.

Omg! I had to repent to my children. In a church for 40 years, and we we’re the only ppl on earth that God will take to heaven😞 this is my whole story about church no relationship all religion

@Djneyon79

4 жыл бұрын

My name is Paul Holmes I'm going to be studying to be a Christian psychologist. If you need help and need someone to talk to or any encouraging word. I'm available at 657-346-5108. I'm an independent apostolic in a upci church but I don't believe what they teach I'm merely here to serve n help others looking to break free. I'm here to serve you all. I love you and so does Jesus no matter what you do, you are loved and known. You don't need no pastors approval for God to love you he loves you just the way you are

@user-qy9ov2fo2j

4 жыл бұрын

@ FreeU remember Noah

Just found out another person I knew growing up is in a rehab facility here in our state. The suicides and drug abuse is what I see that really bothers me. Families rejecting their "back sliding" members. Had a pastor tell me himself that only in a church has he seen people go after their own. I hope someone finds encouragement from watching your videos. There is true unconditional love from God. People in our lives will come and go. Dont feel trapped by their rejection.

@leavingtheupci239

4 жыл бұрын

Jeremy Allen, Thank you for commenting, and we are so sorry about your friend you grew up with. So many head games are played, I just hope that it ends soon and people get out in this controlling, fear-mongering religion. There really is freedom available!

Thank you so much @Life After Legalism for sharing this. It's unbelievable what people put not only themselves through but also their children, all in the name of religion. So sad. Glad that young woman found true peace in the real Lord Jesus Christ.

I was raised in UPC churches...I was shy and had no Father in church with me. People had said some mean things to me. Other kids were brutal sometimes. I got to thinking most of them are hypocrites. In my mind I would file it away under reasons why I shouldn't even bother.. This preacher did this, the piano player did that.. I left church just wanting to finally fit in with the rest of the world... Thankfully I never could. It took some 20 years of self destruction to see it. The One God, Apostollic, Pentecostal churches indeed aren't perfect. But they hold the truth. I repented, and found myself once again standing in a UPC church with my hands held high, eyes full of tears, asking God for a second chance.... Only this time as a grown man with children. God filled me with the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance.. God delivered me from all my addictions instantly.. I will gladly raise my children with standards that make a separation from this morally bankrupt world.. Winston Churchill said, "What is adequacy? (acceptable) Adequacy is no standard at all." In all reality, the UPC has given up to much ground. I do not want to be accepted by this world, I don't want to fit in... So yes, I just might have to go to church with a few no good hypocrites.. But it's better than going to hell with all of them.... Ther is a spirit of rebellion that is taking over the world, and entered into the Church. Nobody feels they have to be held accountable to standards. It's a do what makes you happy generation. Guess what, nobody ever had to do anything. It's called free will. But to start a backsliders channel on UTUBE, and read letters that pat each other on the backsliding, isn't going to bless your life, or bring glory to God. It's kind of sad, and mostly pathetic.

Heartfelt Letter❤

Watched your video posted earlier today. My heart is with you and you are not alone at all.

@leavingtheupci239

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate that!!

I was here at your channel earlier and was able to watch only part of your testimony. Just watch the rest and am thankful I did. Amazing testimony! Thank you so much for sharing your heart. I sincerely think it will help others on their journey to finding peace.

Just know you are preventing Spiritual Suicide ❤Thank You Lori

I was raised in the UPCI and my experiences are much much worse than the woman in the letter

I remember visiting your type of church and at entering the sanctuary of worship I felt such a bind there, there was no freedom that comes with serving our Lord.I this stayed away and sought out other church not of your kid but Pentecostal and let me tell you, they are very hard to find there in the south. But the more I searched our a church to attend and belong to the more I recognized UPC to be occultic! this is an occult of a church folks. Pray to see and God will let you see, I did.

This is not just a UPC thing , it's many legalistic , fear driven type churches. This is how immature Pentecostalism works..like running a daycare , fences , diaper changes and all. The slanted teaching is a result of ignorance for the most part , not evil intent. The inadequate teachings produce much confusion and error.

@dadonthetube

5 жыл бұрын

I agree

@CC-vw1nd

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, a lot of times it's well intentioned people, but they are operating in ignorance and spiritual immaturity. It's imperative we get a deep relationship with God for ourselves, establish a prayer life and learn to be led by His Spirit and voice.

I just found your channel. I was born and raised in the UPC Church in Mobile Alabama. My pastor was and still is the Alabama superintendent of the UPC. My entire family including every cousin was and still is UPC. I got out when I was 16. I'm 47. I went back to the UPC a couple years after my brother died unexpectedly but that's the only time I've been back. I had no friends. I had no friends because I wasn't allowed to have friends outside of the UPC because God forbid I want to spend the night and take a glimpse of their television. But a little secret about the UPC, if your mom is a single mom she and her children are looked down upon, not treated as equal. We never missed a service not once. Yet there was always still whispers about us being the family that didn't have a father. The poor kids. I would have given anything to feel equal. All of my childhood I felt unworthy to God because I secretly longed to know what it felt like to put on a pair of blue jeans or a little mascara or instead of teasing my bangs into a big ball and pretending I have a haircut I could know what a haircut felt like. Thriller was the biggest video and Back to the Future was the biggest movie and I remember going to school pretending like I knew what the other kids were talking about just to fit in. When I was in the fifth grade all of the other girls would chase me back to the Portables just to yank down my knee socks and sing pretty woman with the static electricity making the hair on my legs stand up while all of the kids laughed. Only to walk in the church doors to receive ridicule again, although it wasn't on that same horrible level I still knew it. I look at the UPC today and I think how lucky those girls are to be able to wear knee length skirts and open-toed shoes and shave their legs. Some girls are even in dance classes and get to wear leggings under their skirts?! Oh but the presence of the Holy Spirit when it moved that church, I've never been to a church other than UPC where I felt the presence of the Holy Ghost so strong. So it keeps pulling me back but I have short hair and I will never conform. I was listening to the Great late brother Tenney, set under that man many times when he came to Alabama and your video was on autoplay. I'm so thankful I found your Channel, because I still live with the guilt and resentment of my childhood against the UPC but I'm so programmed that that I feel guilty for feeling guilty. I need reminding that God still loves me and that my spiritual walk with Him should not be judged by my attendance record or haircut.

@CC-vw1nd

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Liz, your story makes me sad ☹, I'm sorry you went through those things. I didn't grow up in church, I got in church, when I was 23 back in early 90's, got the Holy Ghost in '94 after much seeking. I was very impressionable with no boundaries back then, which made me a prime candidate. UPCI life had it's ups and downs. Life circumstances threw some spiritual blows and I ultimately stopped going to UPCI churches 6 years ago. I started going to a PAW church to avoid the stricter standards. I loved my pastor at the PAW church, a very anointed Godly woman, and I was so thankful for her very non overbearing pastoring. She showed me nothing but pure Christian love. Unfortunately there weren't very many deep moves of the Holy Ghost at that church, the kind that transform and do deep spiritual work within. Yes, I had a prayer life which is vital for every Christian, but missed the environment where there were powerful moves of God. I grew cold and started doing things I hadn't in years. I agree with you, the Spirit of God is so strong in Apostolic churches, you can't deny that. I recently started visiting an Apostolic church again where there is such a strong anointing and I got deliverance from some things I had allowed to creep back into my life. I missed that so much and made the decision that I will continue going, standards and all. So far, so good. I will leave at the first signs of abuse, towards me or my children. Now that I'm older and wiser and have a better sense of myself and my boundaries, I feel I can go back in a wiser frame of mind. Yeah, it is nice that things have loosened up, like knee length skirts, open toed shoes, etc isn't it? Where I got in church it was like that anyway, which I'm thankful for.

@paulsheppard5593

2 жыл бұрын

was your church on halls mill rd.....

@paulsheppard5593

2 жыл бұрын

i know who the pastor is........

Wow, I can relate to so many things in that letter, brought me to tears a few times. I have young children and want to make sure they don't grow up with the same anxiety and fear that I had/and still deal with.

@leavingtheupci239

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, it breaks my heart when I hear of a child who is baptized, or talks in tongues, because I know many times, it comes from a place of unhealthy fear that if they don't 'do the right things', they'll be going to hell. What kid wants to spend eternity burning in hell... instead of hearing about a loving heavenly father, they catch the hell stuff.

@saralopes8033

4 жыл бұрын

@@leavingtheupci239 that was me at 7yrs old! It seems like all that preached was the rapture/antichrist/tribulation 😣 I told my husband I don't want to push my kids to make those decisions early in life, I want them to be aware of what they are doing and understand the why. Let them be children 😊

@leavingtheupci239

4 жыл бұрын

Sara Lopes You’re a smart mommy!!

Fear permeates their teachings- I have said this for years. If you aren't water baptized just right, you are lost. If you don't speak in tongues to prove you have the Holy Spirit, you are lost. If you don't believe in Oneness, you are lost. If you don't follow the holiness standards you might or might not be lost...but then rebellion is likened to witchcraft and we know witches are lost... so, yeah, lost again. If you are left behind in the rapture, there's a big chance you won't make it. If you don't obey the pastor, you are lost. If you leave their church, you are lost. Many have left the UPC after having a child as they couldn't bear the thought of them having to endure what they did as a child.

@leavingtheupci239

5 жыл бұрын

Christian Koinonia all so true!

I have a question that is a genuine question . There is a apostolic church were I live predominately white church. When I look into the eyes of these girls who are a part of this church there is something not right but I can never figure out what I am seeing do you know what that is? It is hard for me to explain but I know something is off. Could it be evil that I am seeing? I have no idea I just know that there is something there and it is definitely not good.

@leavingtheupci239

4 жыл бұрын

Paula7379 Hi and thank you for your question. As I have not seen them myself, I can of a couple of things that it could possibly be. It could possibly be self righteousness, or it could be the feeling of fallen from grace as mentioned in Galatians five. The skirts and things that they must do in order to be excepted by the group, can turn into bondage so quickly and it might be fear of leaving that organization and the condemnation and judgment they would get from their group.

I feel this in my SOUL. The fear from such a young age was unreal. Imagine being 10 years old and severely depressed because you were told every week that the world was literally going to end any day now and you were going to be left behind because there was no way on earth you were good enough for god to take. I woke up once while my parents were outside and had a panic attack because I thought the rapture had happened. And then your mom decides the length of your skirt and neckline were something to determine your worth. This cult took my childhood and still tries to creep into my life through the damage it has done.

Thank you for sharing life after legalism. Please keep up the good work. This is all about actually loving loving God loving yourself, and loving your neighbor as yourself. Jesus never told the thief on the cross that only if he got down off the cross, and got baptized in Jesus name, would he be allowed in paradise with Jesus. Then, the apostle Paul who wrote two thirds of the bible said, "IF YOU CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH THE LORD JESUS, AND BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART THAT GOD HAS RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD YOU SHALL BE SAVED. Ofcourse it is important to follow JESUS CHRIST into the water of baptism, but only After you trust Him for salvation because water can never die for your sins.

Im too familiar with this story. I'v been apart of this back in the 80's n 90's. My departure was a slow process that happened when our senior pastor handed the pastorship over to his son and over a period of 15 years transitioned the church completely out of the "UPC" style of church government. Thank God.my question is this. I still feel the anointing in much of their worship. (Thru some vids and occasional visits at funerals) How does/can God still move and operate in such an unGodly theology and culture and government. Yet still God still moves in their midst. It seems like a paradox. I dont understand it yet I know their ways are so wrong and still hear stories of their absurd offenses and judgementalism. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this.

@leavingtheupci239

4 жыл бұрын

steampunker thanks for your comments. I can only suggest you study out ‘anointing’. We were not taught correctly what it truly means.. best to you -Lori

@phil7556

4 жыл бұрын

@@leavingtheupci239 it is the presence of the Lord, more specifically that I speak of, And Like I said, it does exist in some of those churches. Granted, I don't know those churches intimately, perhaps they arent as legalistic as others. But the presence of the Lord does seem to find its way in. I perceive if even theres 1 or 2 then the spirit of the Lord can be ushered in and others reap the corners of the harvest if even for just the sake of a few.....

When you leave a Church that the PASTOR is licensed in the UPC...( its only for pastors) YOU as a person attending that Church ..is not Upc...YOU go to a UPC ..where the Pastor is giving rules .IF FOR SOME REASON HE FAILS TO PAY HIS DUES..HE NO LONGER WILL BE IN THE CLUB...man made rules...Now remember the rules change from time to time ..depending on that pastor...Some say it's a sin for a women to cut het hair..at another church..the women can cut her split ends..but it has to be long..then in another church...You have to wear your hair UP...at a certain age...Then in another State. The rules will change again...it all depends on the man in charge...I know for a fact..it is all about power..My father was a Superintendent...All of the Churches have different rules....NOW for yrs no Tv..or they called it Facial Hair..you could NOT have a beard....NOW THE RULES HAVE CHANGED...They allow you to have tv's..AND you can have a beard...NOW THIS NEW LAW COMES FROM THE BIG GUY WHO IS IN CHARGE NOW OF UPC....If it was a sin.( that's what they called it sin) before??? It should be a sin now..RIGHT..It's whoever. is in charge....GODS LAWS DO NOT CHANGE...When you leave one these Cults..you shouldn't leave your love For God...God didn't make you miserable..YOU LET THIS GUY IN THE GROUP MAKE YOU MISERABLE....Go find you another church...read your Bible...Pray ask God to guide you...He will.....Now you need to know...IF you tell the Pastor your leaving..he will say NO I need you..then he may just give you a NEW job in the Church...or I heard of one Pastor actually got down on his knees and begged them not to leave...See they were TITHE PAYERS...Once you wake-up..you have to be carefull because you can be angry...but remember God did not do you wrong you let this man control you and abuse ypu spiritually...Jesus is still the same...You need a family Church....If you have a family and you leave and not go to Church..you will lose your family...I know I have seen it many times..

Ian Pentecostal and therw is nothing wrong with it it's not bad wearing scirts or not cutting your hair the only thing that is different from Baptist and Pentecostal is that Pentecostal pepole believe. That you have to get the Holy ghost and Baptist don't😐

What makes you think that wearing pants and makeup isn’t a cult culture .

@JWatts-gc4zw

4 жыл бұрын

Its only a cult when one man at the top dictates what you can and cant wear . FYI, there have been Holy women in pants/ makeup and there have been whoreish women in skirts and dresses.

@angelatrillo1596

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe you should educate yourself a little more on the words you use . In fact maybe if you educated yourself on every decision you make you might realize a few things.

@JWatts-gc4zw

4 жыл бұрын

@@angelatrillo1596 Spoken like a the True LEGALIST you are..Comprendo ??

@angelatrillo1596

4 жыл бұрын

J. Watts I just proved my point again.

Why tell people’s why you left? You gone let that be! No one wants to know why okay !!!

@jenns758

Жыл бұрын

I want to know…

Thete should be more Videos about leaving Cults...UPC IS cult...most of the so called Pastors teach their man made Laws...Rules for the women...

Every apostolic organization has it's negative issues, included the UPC. Despite the negatives I have read so far about the organization, I consider it a good organization. Of all those who made negative expressions about the UPC, is it that the organization has no good in it? I am not of the belief that the negatives outway the positives. Most who are saved in it, stays in it, which testifies to the reality that it is still a good organization. The bishops and pastors, some or even most, might have some kind of legalism regarding what they define as standards of holiness, and that I acknowledge, yet at the same time the bishop and pastors are not monsters. I believe the good of the organization far outways the bad.

@GC-fj4lc

4 жыл бұрын

I'll save you some time: it's a cult, my dude. Sorry to disappoint.

@dgreenja

4 жыл бұрын

That is ok. You are expressing a view.

@dgreenja

4 жыл бұрын

Finally for now, you do not have to agree with me. The good of the organization, far outweighs it's evils, period. That is a fact that remains unchangable. I know that at least most of those who commented under your video, will not agree with me, but the majority doesn't always win. The UPC has moved this Acts 2:38 message far more than many other apostolic organizations put together. God is in the midst of all organizations included the one you seem to hate so badly, even the UPC. The positives far outway the negatives, period. This is an indisputable truth. Blessings to you now and always.

@GC-fj4lc

4 жыл бұрын

@@dgreenja to clarify, I was born into the UPC and was basically imprisoned in it for 18 years. Supporting the church is your right and even I'm not saying everyone in it is evil, but please be aware of the abuse that is swept under the rug. I've seen child abuse, sexual abuse, physical abuse all justified or grossly mismanaged by church leaders. And God help you if you're LGBT. Without exaggeration, every young person I grew up with has since left the church and struggles with mental health in some aspect, myself included. It's your right to live your life but please be aware of what really goes on.

@dgreenja

4 жыл бұрын

@@GC-fj4lc I too was raised in that organization, and all the above you mentioned, is common to almost every organization, so nothing in that list of concerns, is unique to the UPC, so to define the organization as a cult, is to define almost the entire oneness apostolic body as a cult, for the apostolic body compromises those who believe in the one God message and the Acts 2:38 message. Some things which some in the organization sweeps under the rug, others deal with it the way it should be dealt with. I see where you are coming from, but I still maintain from what i see, that the organization on an international level, is overall a good organization, which will have bad faults and sins like any other organization. But point taken.

Cuz you guys had a bad experience with the upci does not make the the chuch awful there is great churchs out there every Church has a Jezebel spirit.

@leavingtheupci239

4 жыл бұрын

Daniel Koch thanks for stopping by. We honestly didn’t just “have a bad experience”. If every church has a Jezebel spirit, as you say, maybe it’s time to have simple faith in Jesus....and allow the 501c3 business that church organizations have turned into go bankrupt 🤷🏼‍♀️

@Bill99Cass

4 жыл бұрын

Who told you that.

@JWatts-gc4zw

4 жыл бұрын

Jezebel spirit is not a biblical term. Its a carnal term used by legalists to judge other christians they feel dont measure up.