The Xbox Kinect player will always come out on top. No levers, no buttons, not even a single a compatible game - literally impossible to fight.

@deadfr0g

Жыл бұрын

“I am literally the controller.” - me, the world Kinect champion

@romajimamulo

Жыл бұрын

Except for Strive with mods that were recently finished

@gwen9939

Жыл бұрын

The 2023 EVO top 8 will include a happy chaos player using the NES light guns, a ram player using the DK bongos mapped to Slash and heavy slash, and a sol player twerking on both of them with playstation Eye Toy

@simonlegaspi9837

Жыл бұрын

It's hard to focus on execution or strategy against the Kinect Player because they will accidentally concuss you within the first 5 seconds of the round.

@mikejonesnoreally

Жыл бұрын

@@JustCagna Someone (which kinda' sounds like: "Sajam" o.o Ohwait. Noitdoesn't.) needs to send Diago the Activator and a new pair of white socks. :3

The "my opponent had a hitbox" OS after losing will be strong this season, I can't wait

@deciett

Жыл бұрын

Pretty solid strat. If you lose, it's cus they were on hitbox. If you win, you beat them even though they were a cheater.

@tabkg5802

Жыл бұрын

Is it "I don't even play this game" 2.0?

@gwen9939

Жыл бұрын

my opponent was on cheatbox + my character is low tier + I don't even play this game

@carlosaugusto9821

Жыл бұрын

Always has been. When it was less known and not validated by some pro players it was naturally much less respected.

@jamesw5713

Жыл бұрын

Being able to hold opposing directions at the same time is cheating, not sure how to dumb this statement down for you. Let Capcom remove this option in software and watch them scurry back to pad.

There's this scene in Code Geass when the main dude and tactician Lelouche gets his own giant mecha and its weird shield systems are described as too complex for the average person to master. He's basically just sliding his hands across this console to make shields and shit pop up. The mech was made with its own custom hitbox no doubt.

@Mr.9

Жыл бұрын

Lelouch busy cheating with hitbox while Suzaku and Kollin are true warriors playing with stick

@theoriesbanana

Жыл бұрын

Suzaku's classic line "Of course hes using a hitbox couldnt win GG" always stuck out as weird to me but I get it now

@silencos5974

Жыл бұрын

His greatest enemy will be twitter

@PipeRetrogamer

Жыл бұрын

Lelouch did nothing wrong

@TheJbrown60

Жыл бұрын

​@@Mr.9 this is why he was the MC and not those two

The Potemkin mains really out here making their own boxes just to do the worlds most optimal megafists

@BooAxe

Жыл бұрын

As soon as I saw the anklegator box in the thumbnail i knew it was gonna be good. And as a Potemlin main its funnier because Pot would still be bottom tier even if all Potemkins played on this box

@Glennjamyyyn

Жыл бұрын

The smartest pot player will find a way to think less

At locals, when I first saw his controller, I asked anklegator if it had SOCD, he then flipped the switch in the upper left corner and said 'Yes.'

@shogunc7718

Жыл бұрын

Ahahaha

@Robstafarian

Жыл бұрын

I love that it uses a hooded switch, though the down position should engage the SOCD cleaner such that the stick is tournament legal with the hood lowered.

@Holidoll

Жыл бұрын

That's fucking horrifying

@andrex0071

Жыл бұрын

you don't need even a switch mine just changes with holding start select and left at the same time

The year is 21XX. Everyone is playing fighting games with their minds alone. EVO is just people thinking for 12 hours. In all seriousness, as a Keyboard player I think it’s real funky that people are just moving to leverless controls, because it just feels like people will at some point eventually end up where I already am.

@brandonwilbur2146

Жыл бұрын

21XX kind of sounds like IRL combat sports from an abstract perspective

@Randomsmashfan64

Жыл бұрын

False. FGC ain't playing games with their minds anytime soon cause we don't think. Why do you think gorillas are as strong as they are?

@HonkHonkGoose776

Жыл бұрын

Same

@whimzycloud

Жыл бұрын

When I first started playing, using the keyboard was seen as a disadvantage lol

@RandomAnimeGamer

Жыл бұрын

SUPER THEORY FIGHTER 4 ARCADE EDITION

the controller debate will always feel like a bunch of monkeys arguing over how best to crack open a coconut

@DANCERcow

Жыл бұрын

With an ax kick, that is the only way!

@truelovewontwait

Жыл бұрын

Bonobo and monkeys

@ihavetubes

Жыл бұрын

crowbar is best way

@TheOriginalStix

Жыл бұрын

​@@ihavetubes OMG crowbar is just blatantly cheating, bare hands or a small knife are the only ways you're allowed to open a coconut and anything else should be banned.

"This jungler takes off his pants and twerks in every lane at the same time" that made me chuckle lol

The amount of power that exists in 4 frames

@Xenozillex

Жыл бұрын

yeah, in tekken its the difference between a jab and a launcher.

The Anklegator has me in a quantum state between being fucking disgusted and wanting one.

In this video, Sajam becomes a grappler sympathizer.

@machinatingminotaur6285

Жыл бұрын

everyone is but they lie to themselves

the immense, intense game winning strategy* that broke the game *strat thats only ideal when your mind is crystal clear, your soul is at peace, you anticipate the enemy's next move, you're able to input in less than 5 frames, your hands arent cold, its past 5pm east time, your connection is less than 80 ping, the enemy has a name starting with a-f, and you have next week's powerball winning numbers

its worth adding that the kara mega fist "analog macro" as he calls it was intentionally done to point out a loophole in macro bans. he cites the 2,222 card yugioh deck as inspiration, which was a ridiculous stunt done in tournament to force a card limit. the only macro rule is that one button can't do 2 inputs, which his nightmare solution passes, but it's obviously still basically a macro.

@Dhamphyre

Жыл бұрын

Got into a twitter fight (instant L) with a guy in Apologyman’s replies over exactly this.

@eragon78

10 ай бұрын

To be fair, this is still "less good" than a true macro. It takes up real space on your controller, and requires your entire hand to do the slide. A REAL macro is just a single button press. You can fit way more of them in a smaller space, and without committing nearly as much time with your hand position to use them, which means they can be used for more types of inputs rather than just combos. And while probably not too likely, there is potential for missinputting with the slide. If you do it too fast or slow it can potentially not read the input correctly, or there is also the potential that you maybe skip over a button on accident or hit the buttons in the wrong order on accident if your hand slips. A macro there is no way to mess it up. Granted, im not saying this is ok still, just that there is a debate still. A REAL macro is still significantly better than this "analog macro", even if this analog macro is still pretty useful.

From pot discord mad scientist to sajam video. My man anklegator has made it

@erickp3003

Жыл бұрын

It pains me that Sajam did not show the accordion

I’m so glad to finally see the inputs on that last controller. I’ve seen that thing at a few majors lol

I managed to hold it together until the kara megafist electric slide demonstration. What an absolute legend

That final controller is insane lmao, I love the idea

Watching that person slide one finger to do a kara Mega Fist left me in awe. Truly science has gone too far.

And so the cycle begins anew…

The default solution to something like the end controller, that games like League of Legends and others attempt to do, is to restrict the amount of copies of a button you can use. So for example League attempts to limit certain inputs to only being assigned to 1 button. And some inputs are limited to just 2 buttons. So you cant just have 10 left inputs or something for each combo. This still allows for making combos easier to execute via optimizing the required hand movement. But its restricted in such a way that it's no longer a ''Simple'' ''No compromises" solution of just putting every combo in a line somewhere on your pizzabox.

@life-destiny1196

Жыл бұрын

Respectfully, it seems naive to me to believe that the software can tell the buttons on Anklegator's box apart to know there's more than 1-2.

@Myth_FPS

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately fightsticks are wired for those buttons to be assigned to that button. So it's impossible to limit, as they're not bound to a certain command, but there's multiple left/right dpad buttons all wired to input left or right dpad

@nicholaskarras2759

Жыл бұрын

@@life-destiny1196 just put it in the rules as specified for TOs by the devlopers. If arcsys goes "hey chuckle nuts, these are the rules for allowed input devices for our games, if we see any breaches of this we are going to nintendo the shit out of your tournament" then TOs are gonna check people controllers, fundamentally the FGC still revolves around the tournament scene, if every single relevant tournament is forced to have the ruleset, smaller locals/regionals are gonna adopt them as well. And in cases for online play, its way harder, but if you dissuade a majority of the community from doing it in general, less people are gonna bother doing it.

"SOCD on controller isn't comfortable so people don't do it." Hating on claw grip like a true-non Melee player.

@proto303

Жыл бұрын

Any person who grew up playing PSP MonHun is already several parallel universes ahead

@DefScream189

Жыл бұрын

Claw grip bad for fingers though ):

The PizzaBox clips had me fucking dying. The future is now

Personal preference is the most important factor, at least to me. When I was learning fighting games, I actually had to switch from pad to stick for a few reasons: -I was gripping the controller so hard I was hurting myself, be it my palm, my fingers, my wrist, etc -I found out I naturally hold the pad at an angle where it actually screws up my inputs -I enjoy the novelty of a fightstick That being said, I think if I had the opportunity to start over with a hitbox, I think I would 100% do it.

I'd love to see a King from Tekken version of a hitbox with all of this chain-throws mapped out

@logandunlap9156

Жыл бұрын

please no

@jimdino77

Жыл бұрын

Here’s a tip…. Spam Ki charge….different routes just require hitting that one input then continuing to mash Ki charge

@Josie.770

Жыл бұрын

@@jimdino77 I have my chainthrows down

The comfort is key answer has always rung true for me too. My first fighting game was Hisoutensoku on my laptop, and my second was Melty Blood. And from there forward hitting the buttons to move just felt good, felt natural. Then somewhere along the line I fell for the stick boomers sweet words and got one, but it just wasn't as good and especially dash canceling in Blazblue hurt my wrist like crazy. Eventually I settled on using a keyboard at home and having a compact little AFS Stickless that I exclusively use for locals, and it works out beautifully.

@dralakba-dusk31

Жыл бұрын

yoooo Hisoutensoku!!!

I might've said this before somewhere but I have a prediction about the rules that will be made regarding this stuff. Pretty simple, no button mapped to execute multiple inputs (already a rule, can't map > plus P as a 6P macro), and no non-directional input mapped to multiple buttons, directional inputs restricted to 2 buttons to mirror pad (can't have more than 1 S buttons and more than 2 ^'s for instance). This won't prevent hitboxes and crossups from being used but will prevent nonsense. Personally I'm okay with the level of nonsense we have now, but it may get worse, and the boomers will complain. So I think this is a fair middle ground we can reach.

I'm sure these devices were originally made with the intent of better inputs, but they're also available for better accessibility for people who prefer keyboard style inputs. So in the end, I don't care if it's a hitbox or dualshock or DDR pad, you're playing the same game as me and I think that's cool.

Me, a keyboard player cuz I have little money: _"I'm four parallel universes ahead of you."_

people thought sticks were better because macros were illegal in arcade games. That's literally it. Once consoles were standard it became pretty meaningless

@carlosaugusto9821

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget to count the factor of the excessive traditionalism that is the dominant tendency in the fgc. That culture started to change more when the group of influencers became more populated by players who are not biased for sticks. Internet fame is enough, but if the person is a strong tournament player the effect will be even stronger.

@stanzacosmi

Жыл бұрын

I prefer sticks because they feel better to play on.

anklegator is amazing, imaging just having rows upon rows of frame perfect combos.

To me, this jus show that Lord Aris is the most powerful person in the FGC. He really went to the moon ...

@poepertist

Жыл бұрын

he mostly yells at the moon xD

I would cry if I had to do a 1080 on leverless yall got my respect

@raymaztereljackson9729

Жыл бұрын

Its not that bad since most games dont force you to input all the cardinal directions

@JameboHayabusa

Жыл бұрын

It's hard at first, but once you start to understand the rhythm of how to input cleanly on a hitbox, it's actually very easy to do. I had a hard af time doing pretzels at first in hitbox, but after I thought about it for a while, it's easier than ever. Just like anything else with fighting games, there's a learning curve.

@DavidLee-cw6ci

Жыл бұрын

Just put it in a line of twelve buttons

@brodouken257

Жыл бұрын

I can only do Iron Tager's b grab into astral on my hitbox lol. I look like an idiot sliding my finger that many times but it works fine.

Only been playing 2D fighting games since Strive. I started playing on an Xbox controller and hit celestial with Zato using the joystick. People would comment on how terrible my inputs looked; but I somehow managed to find consistency in combos and pressure. Tbh I though my I was schmooving. However… I couldn’t block high/low to save my life. It wasn’t my reaction times or understanding it was the consistency of getting a crouch block/stand block and not accidentally getting a jump. I got a hit box and now I’m trash AF, but goddamn am I consistent at defense. Another year of practice and I’ll be able to play at the same speed I was before lol.

Funny, I got my hitbox in the mail literally today. And really the SOCD makes a huge difference in tekken for backdashing but not much else. The reason I got it though was because I don't want to wreck my wrists and my thumb on a pad anymore.

@yoshitsune5691

Жыл бұрын

Idk I found it easier to kbd on pad than my hitbox in tekken, tho I normally play 2d games on my hitbox and pad for tekken because well tekken was my first fighting game soo im just used to pad on tekken. While I learned 2D games on hitbox.

@MH3Raiser

Жыл бұрын

Pad players look, he was so close to true greatness. Pain is power friend, all hail the PlayStation dpad gods!

@TheDiggus

Жыл бұрын

@@MH3Raiser I did play like 800 hours of tekken and bought multiple hori fighting commanders, pad really is life.

@MH3Raiser

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDiggus Ah, I apologise... I judged too quickly. Go on with the blessing of all pad players friend, you have earned our respect.

@mikejonesnoreally

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDiggus The Pad may be The Life but Hori does NOT apparently equal "longevity." xD

That Amazon box is the most terrifying thing I’ve seen. I love it.

"'lowkey leverless players don't block.' I agree" wow I feel called the fuck out right now

Surprised that split ergo keyboard hasn't become more popular, beats the hell out out of flat buttonbox

@Kanoa99

Жыл бұрын

FOUND MY TRIBE 😂

@Kanoa99

Жыл бұрын

converted my obsidian into hitbox and my wrist does not agree, mapped the hitbox layout onto my sofle keyboard and everything peachy, my final destination is the ergobox! trust me in a few years more hitbox players will start complaining about wrist issues!

@yumbream

Жыл бұрын

ergodox gang

@colbyboucher6391

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I have an Atreus and I love how portable it is, but isn't the main problem that tournaments aren't run on PC so if you play local you're sort of screwed?

Arcade stick is the most interactive and fun way to play for me even though it's not technically the best and i will never switch even if i will lose some games because of it because i got into fighting games growing up in Japan and arcade sticks made and still makes the experience magical.

this feels like people are just obsessed with the sanctity of arcade sticks like as a TO would you actually ban dualshocks from your tournament cause they can do more

Meanwhile you have Aris still thinking about hitbox is cheating.

@bobsaget3548

Жыл бұрын

It is cheating.

On leverless it's not rare for me to straight up lose a game for missing a DP or Half Circle input and then getting hit with an 80% combo for it. Leverless is faster if you're a perfect human, but I feel like the consistency of stick inputs is being slept on in games that are less forgiving on diagonals. Consistency wins more games than tiny optimizations. Overall they both get similar results and I hope people can get over it; if owning a stick is a barrier to getting into fighting games it will limit the scene's growth

@hickknight

Жыл бұрын

I actually have an arcade stick and use it while playing fighting games, because I'm worried I'll destroy my thumb again. Mostly for ergonomical reasons.

Video comes out right when snackbox micros are all sold out :/ Seems like alot of arcade parts are out of stock too.

@moogleBdead

Жыл бұрын

Snackbox arcades is really active in their discord. I’d recommending adding yourself to it because they send notifications when they are back up! That’s how I got mine.

@CrispyGFX

Жыл бұрын

They were in stock like 3 days ago. I might have ordered the last one in stock... Sorry.

@SupermanSajam

Жыл бұрын

Yeah most places will go in and out of stock because they are hot items. You can probably ask on social/discord like somebody asked for a time they will restock

@Mario_bland

Жыл бұрын

Haha thanks all! I'll just keep myself on the waitlist and keep just mashin on that keyboard (I just liked the idea of playing with a keyboard but with bigger buttons)

This is a great and informative video and I always enjoy seeing what new drama these "cheaters" stir up. So, as a keyboard player, this conversation is super interesting to me because it has no actual impact on me overall because I'm a keyboard player, and well, sajam described that plight perfectly at 2:47, made worse by the fact that I have a custom input setup: I play "left handed", with my left hand handling the input buttons and my right hand managing the motion inputs. This has also resulted in me being even further guaranteed to never go to an in-person tournament since hitbox doesn't actually sell a left handed version. So as a player, I always find myself looking at this and going "wow, these are cool, but wow this doesn't actually impact anything but I love the arms races" But I also work in game dev, and I find myself thinking about 7:35-7:49 and just finding myself annoyed that, in 2022, there are games that just don't think to handle this or handle it uniformly within their own game. And that, if that oversight went through, they haven't gone and fucking patched it to be consistent. Like, c'mon guys. But then again, fighting games and basic features. I also think it's super interesting that the limit is single-input rather that double and would love to just see what a two-input limit would result in and how much of an impact it'd have. All that said, anklegator has certainly given me some ideas and something deep inside calls to me to make a custom one so I can maybe someday spend entirely too much money going to a tournament and going 0-2 in every bracket I enter but having a blast the whole time anyways Edit: You know, thinking on it, my left-handed setup may actually be perfect for newcomers to a game like project-L, where they may well be coming from league and are used to using the buttons on the left being the ones that do their abilities and then moving with their right hand, even if it's normally via mouse.

@nef36

Жыл бұрын

People make their own sticks all the time, you could just make your own left handed hitbox by putting the acrylic on backwards after the holes get cut out.

@redmagebr

Жыл бұрын

You can rest easy with the game dev angle. For a logn time, games have thought about this and handled it uniformly within their own game. I'm surprised you haven't noticed it, being a keyboard player yourself: SF4 handled SOCD by giving priority to the last button, SF5 handled SOCD by giving priority to Up and Forward, GG handles it by going to neutral (on both axis). They are uniform within their own game, there simply isn't a global standard on the dev side (capcom ended up creating a standard with their tournament rules though). In fact, I don't think we've had games that break on SOCD since the PS3.

@balakknightfang3454

Жыл бұрын

@@redmagebr That's good to know, at least. And I don't know that I've ever actually taken the time in the one fighting game I play consistently (GGST) to test the SOCD.

@DesZac

Жыл бұрын

Mixbox Arcade offers a version of their Wasd + arcade layout in southpaw, called Mixbox Reverse. Also with how basic stickless are in most cases it should be as simple as flipping the plate (not for official hitbox arcade cause the plate is part of the chasis I will say though).

@morganite123

Жыл бұрын

I play in the exact same way you do, keyboard with right hand handling motions. Was told I was crazy for both

Ok but imagine how more accessible we could make the scene by making custom controllers like this more standard

@colbyboucher6391

Жыл бұрын

You know what I'm surprised I haven't seen more yet? Foot pedals.

The interesting thing about keyboard is that movement isn't the issue (WASD) it's actually the eight other buttons for your right-hand. It's very easy to experience cramping of the hand in the first hour, and if you remap them to make it easier you have to keep your hand positioned the same way hours on end. It's very micro muscles intensive for the right-hand, essentially

Having played pc gaming for close to 10 years now I tried playing stick and pad and after trying hitbox and loving the layout I got me a evo mpress. The mechanical switches just complete me reminding me of playing on keyboard. Honestly im worse off then I was on stick with stuff but Its way more comfortable.

@MadMax22

Жыл бұрын

Exactly Hitbox movement is almost the same as a keyboard. Would people ban Keyboards?

The only controller-building experience I have was building an arcade control panel for a future MAME machine. Y'know, something with a trackball and a spinner on it. In this context, it isn't about what's best for gaming, it's nostalgia-feel. No tiny Japanese zero-force buttons, we need period-accurate clicky garbage! Which also means digital 8-way sticks. Does your game absolutely need analog sticks? Well, let me get my XBox360 pads in, then... haha, I fooled you! I only brought in those pads so we can play 6-player X-Men!~

@mikejonesnoreally

Жыл бұрын

Six player X-Men would rock. :3

First Aris now Sajam? Leverless controllers must be making waves right now!

Chef Throws Ceasar Salad In The Trash. Turns Out He Tossed The Wrong Salad

Getting a Snack Box Micro in Oct My first no-stick controller (besides keyboard)

Sliding my arm across my entire keyboard to do my ToD, hell yeah.

Old decrepit hands actually benefit from stickless controllers. Most of the older FGC players I know have moved to them for wrist/arm issues.

I'm picking up stick for the times I visit a place with cabinets. That way I can hop in on the fun.

Fgc boomers will look you dead in the eye and say pick a top tier, then plug in their fightstick💀🕹🤡 Mom Im on FGC Opera, ive made it

Following the logic people apply to hitbox top tier characters should be banned they provide a clear advantage over the lower tier characters.

@Copperhell144

Жыл бұрын

Mirrors Only Tournaments

@juiteko8375

Жыл бұрын

Image Ram mains doing 10 consecutive rekka cancel in a row by sliding through buttons

Fun fact about "The Slide" KoF 2003 *LITERALLY* made the command for Ash's install super deliberately with this in mind. It works on KoF XI, XIII, and XV too!

@Sajam @7:42 the problem is the hardware from the beginning never had the option to simultaneously input opposite directions so the entire genre formed around that limitation. The games don't know what to do because they've relied on not needing to know what to do in that situation.

Melee player here, I think its wild fighting games don't limit controllers to one button per input like we do. The monstrosity that guy made would be the literal first thing I would think to do if that wasnt limited.

@deice3

Жыл бұрын

I don't see why this needs to be limited. If some guy wants to spend his time soldering a controller instead of grinding in training to do the combo with a normal controller, I'm all for it. Its a different type of skill, but he isn't able to do anything you can't do on any "normal" controller. And if you did learn to play this way, you'd need a different controller for every game. Maybe even every patch. Its a novelty, not a threat.

@danielwitt1793

Жыл бұрын

@@deice3 Tell me you've never practiced kBMF loops without telling me. Even the best pot players drop them fairly regularly. So no, its straight up a macro replacement because skill isnt whats holding them back lol. If you dont believe me please go try it out for yourself in training mode.

@deice3

Жыл бұрын

@@danielwitt1793 who's to say the guy with the pizza box doesn't drop them regularly? He still has to time his swipe. I still just don't see any reason why manually pressing buttons (1 button = 1 input) should be banned. Its definitely nothing like a programmed macro with AutoHotkey or similar.

@1JokeRCSS

Жыл бұрын

@@deice3 its more so that fact that a hitbox can be configured so that both left and right are pressed at the same time, and that you can set it so one of them takes priority. If you cant see why that shouldnt be banned then youre a lost cause

@TheBigSad8247

Жыл бұрын

@@1JokeRCSS that's the games programming issue. Not the controllers fault. At worst, hitboxs are able to use exploits. Stop blaming the wrong thing.

Haven't watched yet but that thumbnail is godlike

I grew up playing fighting games on a keyboard. Switching to a hitbox was a godsend, with almost no downside or adjustment time!

At the end of the day, I just want to watch great sets

Controller debate will alway be there in gaming for some reason

Hmm, how about a guitar controller where you slide your hand down the fretboard to do certain moves?

Talking about doing SOCD on a pad reminded me of being able to press all buttons on the Razer Raion. Wonder if they thought of that so they didn't add the pivot before

i love using a hitbox because i love the feeling when the blood vessels in my hands explode

@loudnoises5372

4 ай бұрын

That has nothing to do with hitbox controllers. I am sorry to inform you, but it would appear you have a serious case of Ligma. My condolences.

I play stick for the sole reason that I think moving the stick around is more fun than pressing buttons

I got a fightstick a week ago. My god does it feel so much better than a keyboard with ghosting. Not getting angry at dropping inputs anymore. That's it, just wanted to share.

the wiring took me out. I was laughing for like 3 minutes.

I think an RC radio controller with a dance pad is the future, once you master this combo you will have an competitive advantage you wouldn't believe! For real though, all controllers have some things slightly easier and some things slightly harder. Most viable control schemes can do anything you want with practice. Just play with what controller you like.

I play stick because hehe stick make noise and feel good. It pleases my monkey brain

After playing on all those, pad felt the best for me. Factor in portability and availability... it's almost a no brainer. I can walk up to a Best Buy or Gamestop to get what I need easily. To me though, Hitbox and its derivatives take the best of the pad and the worst of the stick. Have to lug it around for around 6 hours can be exhausting as it's oddly heavy. Although there's nothing more satisfying than using an arcade stick. The sensations go through the body

I've had a hitbox for a couple years now, I still can't do half-circles or TKs 100% consistently on it, which I could easily do on my old stick. Admittedly most games, or at least characters I play, nowadays don't require those inputs, so I haven't had a reason to train those inputs as much lately.

Each method has its pros and cons, but it's all about preference at the end of the day. I grew up poor, and what little money I had for Vidya, I wasn't gonna spend it on fighting games. I would rather go to the arcade. Because of that, I was always shit with a gamepad in most Fighters

After seeing all this 🥊 📦 controversy I’m deciding to just buy new buttons and a tighter spring for my fight stick.

Man I love the dragon punch shortcut on lever less

i though the amazon box hitbox was a joke at first, Jesus lol

What situations in SF5 would you replace a 4-frame with an extremely punishable special move (CA) requiring a specific hand set-up, that ends a combo? And it's even harder on the right side. It's hard for me to think about. Someone tell me. I'm not even trying to imply the 4-frame super isn't that useful, I just can't see it other than setups (legit use) or fast punish/spacing move. Ok now that I mention the few I can think of, that's pretty good. Love my cheatbox.

The funny part with hitbox is keyboard inputs function in the same way

I saw Anklegator's controller from the corner of my eye at my local a few months ago and almost passed out

“why grind when you can slide” Sajam 2022 😂😂

Doing it from the other side is actually one of the better arguments for a crossup that I've heard.

The wiring actually made me flinch

I got some big ass hands so I switched to fight stick instead of a regular controller. It instantly felt better than my controller for movement, however it was a pain to memorize the button combo that was mapped simply to the controller.

Game mechanics will adapt to new controller types in the future. Current games were developed arcade stick/pad in mind but they can easily change the mechanics simply by limiting the fastest possible input speeds closer to what's possible on a stick and that will stop all impossible moves that the game wasn't developed for. I'm not sure if it big changes will make it to Tekken 8 but for sure it will already adress impossible on a stick quick input moves and mechanics in some way.

Swapped to a keyboard style controller recently, as you said some things are harder others are easier than with my old stick. The one I have is also compatible with ps4 and is way smaller and more portable than most sticks are. Being able to rebind the buttons however I want is very helpful.

The Anklegator controller is hilarious but Anklegator himself plays Potemkin so degeneratively.

on the slide comment. People used to do that for honda hands. There was a local player in my area that did that and put tape on his finger to prevent injury.

guile being able to dash/backdash while holding charge is huge also socd's nuts

@yumbream

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that's only possible on older street fighters where simultaneous opposing directions don't cancel out to neutral, but yeah when it's possible it's fucked

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That's only in older games. Modern games don't allow that

Dude is literally playing the piano of fighting games

I'm really glad you said to think about hand comfort. A lot of these different devices are someone's disability tool.

The abbynormal Young Frankenstein reference. YES

If I'm being totally honest the "Skill" portion of this argument will probably never matter to me because I don't think I'm gonna be in the percentile of people who its ACTUALLY effects. BUT I will recommend people who can afford to; experiment with different controller types. I started on pad with SFIV and I've always had problems with fast repetitive moments on my left thumb(Shoryukens and dqcf for example), but I'm a kid button-mashing anyway so I don't really care. Years later I'm playing Xrd. I buy myself a stick just cause I was curious and see one for pretty cheap. I prefer it over my controller(for my right hand), but things feel awkward with my left hand Still. I start playing Strive, and I'm having the most fun I've ever had in a fighting game, I'm putting time into actually learning. I really like this game, BUT I can still feel the awkward movement in my left hand. The worst part is that I now care and I can FEEL how the movement I need to do with my left hand is tangibly affecting my gameplay( I would not pick certain characters, or use certain combo routes because of it, and If the game didn't have a dash macro I probably wouldn't even play it.) but now, I care. So I start experimenting with controller types. First, I do keyboard. I really like it but I don't want to play on something with sea keys cause I'm generally clumsy and ill press the wrong button or something. Then I try a hitbox(micro specifically) I like it ALOT but I have very minor nitpicks, so I try MixBox. It's FUCKING PERFECT it is exactly what I needed it to be. It is how I will always play fighting games and I can feel the improvement from it because it doesn't feel awkward to me anymore. TL: DR you probably shouldn't get a stick just because you think its will "up your level", but if you're able to, id recommend experimenting around if you can. There are a ton of ways to mode sticks into various types of controllers for relatively cheap if you know where to look.

Feel like leverless is both hard on my hands but easier than stick. My left hand just moves slower than my brain tells it, so using hitbox i feel more in command of my actions

do you like the snackbox or the mpress more ?

Makes sense that stick would trend out. Fighting games are the only genre that are married to the controller even outside of arcades. And sticks aren't necessary for directions in any genre.

I fell for the sick meme years ago. Glad I did it though, I could never get directions to work for me on pad.

i recently switched from a ps5 controller to an arcade stick because clicky buttons make my brain go woo

Incase anyone finds it catchy, the song in the Potemkin part is a 8bit/midi rendition of Drone Corpse Aviator by Archspire.

Ankle Gator is the messiah.

"The more things change, the more they stay the same."