I'm glad this important topic is being discussed. I was at the local mart last week and they talked of little else. No doubt the Irish Government will adopt the woke approach to this issue as they do with all other issues. Result , the farcical situation in Strurgeon's Scotland of convicted rapists deciding to identify as a woman in order to be accommodated in a women's prison. Terry talks about a democracy, I don't recall voting on any of these issues. I'm sure the Scottish people if asked would want rapists to spend their sentence in a men's prison.

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

Taking bait aimed at Brits, meant to distract from the next Scottish independence referendum?

@mikeyk212

Жыл бұрын

@@mike_mcgb Not really. It's fact. The outrage in the UK media forced Strurgeon to back down. Of course you won't get that in Ireland where you have single view woke media.

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeyk212 Yes, like the "woke" Daily Mail and the "woke" Irish Sun. 🙄

@jacquikk181

Жыл бұрын

Yes! it needs debate. Not the issue of recognition as has already been decided by law but the whole issues surrounding the transition process. There has been several rapes by men in the process having gained lawful access to female facilities. On the other hand there are high instances of sexual violence towards transgender people.

Came into being in 2015, having been debated and created since 2007 and the Lydia Foy Judgement. I welcome anybody here saying it was brought in quickly, never heard any debate, or even hadn't heard about its existence. Because saying such a thing just proves that the the Transgender "issue" was never an issue until certain groups in the UK and US decided it was.

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

This is the exact crux of the matter. Ireland isn't the UK or the US - we are our own jurisdiction and attempting to import blatantly false moral panics should be called out for the colonialist nonsense it is.

@titopuente6149

Жыл бұрын

A summary judgement that sets a precedent does not become Part of our constitution. It merely serves as a measuring stick and reference point for future legal cases if they are brought to court. Big difference.

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

@@titopuente6149 Oh, look, mambo percussionist Tito Puente is an authority on Bunreacht na hÉireann. Dope.

@titopuente6149

Жыл бұрын

@@mike_mcgb what a waste of time reading that reply.

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

@@titopuente6149 I would suggest the bigger waste of time is sock-posting against changing times, tbh

They can pass whatever laws they want but if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck.. It is a duck and no certificate is going to tell that duck he is a dog.

Only adults should make such decision. Children should be children. Can a child say I consent to sexual intercourse, no it is wrong and against the law. Well the same should apply for a child when it comes to their gender until they reach adult to make informed choice.

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

So, you're saying certain teenagers shouldn't be realising who they are at the same time as their straight or cis peers are doing the same. 🤨

@galdrack5402

Жыл бұрын

The only logical conclusion would be to use They/Them until they reach adult age then.

Terry. To deny debate is not democracy. Your referencing the morality police in Iran is scaremongering and denying peoples freedom to believe in a religious set of rules is just as wrong as denying people the write to self determine their gender designation. Just because a law or legislation is in place doesn't make it acceptable to everyone. A law can always be changed or deleted altogether. Especially if it is not fit for purpose as i suspect this one is. There are a lot of instances in Irish Law where clarity is lacking usually because the law is poorly written. Your comments and the actions of the high court Judges in Mr Burkes case paint 'the law' in a very dim light.

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

People's lives aren't a 'debate'. 👍🏻

Not on Enochs side here.. But the logic regarding a democracy/theocracy is far off the mark. Were there laws prohibiting gay marriage and abortion in our statues? - Yes. Does that mean they weren't up for debate - No, two movements did debate them and had them overturned by popular vote... kind of a core principle of democracy, not undemocratic at all.

@HH-hd3gs

Жыл бұрын

Roe v Wade too.

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

@@HH-hd3gs You're living in Ireland. (I think?)

I can’t believe I never even heard of this legislation it makes me wonder what else have I missed out on!!. I don’t honestly remember any debates or political wrangling over this and yet here it is!!!!

@killbotone6210

Жыл бұрын

It began in 2002 with the Lydia Fotly case. I distinctly remember the government trying to come up with some policy in 2011 and failing. It was talked about, debated, edited, from 2007-2015 when it was finally enacted.

@killbotone6210

Жыл бұрын

@Satnav Can you define what a " cultural discussion" is with a citation please? Thanks.

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

@@satnav12345 The discussion went on for years, and was observed for as long in national media. Not society's fault that certain people only started caring when the dogwhistles went off elsewhere.

@feargach2107

Жыл бұрын

@@mike_mcgb Everyone in the Dáil Bar, Montrose and Doheny & Nesbitts knew about it. The rest don't count.

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

@@feargach2107 Was all over the papers for years. Cop on.

From an Employment situation Enoch did received medical training or protocol by the school on how to deal with this situation. The school did not consider the conflict of ethics when they engaged Enoch as a teacher. The law maybe on the statue books but the school had a duty to inform the staff of the changes.

Thanks Terry, never knew about legislative status.

@terrygorrysolicitor - From a legal perspective, are the protections of the law identical for non-binary people? i.e. those who don't identfy as either gender or both?

@Liammulli

Жыл бұрын

As someone who identifies as a toaster I was wondering the same thing.

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

@@Liammulli Conservatives have one 'joke'.

@galdrack5402

Жыл бұрын

"Either" is incorrect here, it's a spectrum hence yes it does cover non-binary individuals.

@DublinLotfi

Жыл бұрын

@@galdrack5402 there is no legal recognition for non binary people specifically in the law in UK or Ireland. The gender recognition act is written in binary terms. There is however that one case in England where the claimant had began 'part of a process of transition', but that is covered by the gender reassignment protected characteristic in the equality act. So at this point, non-binary specifically has no legal protection..

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

​@@DublinLotfi So, in other words, this isn't about freedom of speech, but freedom to identify and make 'others' of social minorities/outgroups. Cool.

Good reminder for those who need it. 😊 Believe whatever you want but you will live under the rule of law as decided by the majority of the people.

We’ll explained as always Terry!

Where in the legislation is the pro ion to call a person “them or they”? Surely the legislation only refers to “male or female” ? In my opinion the Judge in this case is wrong in law, he is morally wrong. Surely this legislation is unconstitutional ? I would be very interested in legal opinions to support Our Constitution.

A query please Terry, a person, for instance, a man gets a gender recognition certificate recognising him legally to be a woman. The person changes their birth cert, passport, driving licence etc. This person now wants to join in womens amateur sports competitions , what is the persons position in relation to 1) boxing or other full contact martial sports including Rugby 2)GAA or similar semi-contact sports 3) swimming/cycling or other non-contact sports. Is there legal requirement on the various sports governing bodies requiring them to allow this person to join and compete? Prima facie, it appears that governing bodies would have to allow this person to compete. It would appear to me that the legislation affirms this person as a bonafide female and not as a transperson/transwoman etc. The sports bodies I feel would be risking litigation if they refused a bonafide and legally binding woman from taking part. Would a lady competitor (either fearing injury or just plain discriminatory) risk litigation from this person if she refused to compete with them? Is there any onus on the person to proclaim that their original birth certificate declared them to born a male if they wished to , for instance, box in a female competition? I would be very interested in your expertise on some of these legal minefields/sunny uplands. Thanks and incidentally, subscription added.👍

@ihc909

Жыл бұрын

Any chance of a comment or reply?

@ihc909

11 күн бұрын

Anything?

People can't seem to distinguish between gender dysphoria and all this pronoun and 40 genders crap. They are 2 separate things. I'm agnostic. You don't have to be a religious person to find all this pronoun stuff ridiculous.

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

Not going to humour you beyond saying that you obviously can't separate the gender dysphoria that is a legitimate reason for people to transition, from the identities that those same people occupy after the fact. It's also a fact that the established ideas of gender consist of social roles, expectations and such - which cis/straight people don't always adhere to the best, never mind anyone else. In that respect, a question. Don't answer here because I'm muting, but who are you to tell people what to do, or how to feel?

@chriser555

Жыл бұрын

@@mike_mcgb Go away, Mike. You've already demonstrated that you are not open to reasonable debate in our last exchange. Also, why ask me a question if you've muted? Don't think you can do that on KZread.

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

@@chriser555 People's lives aren't a debate. Oh, but also, here I was thinking someone demanding "reasonable debate" all the time, would be able to countenance asking a simple question of themselves. Silly me.

@chriser555

Жыл бұрын

@@mike_mcgb You haven't muted me then? Constant gaslighting and strawmaning isn't a debate, Mike. And those two things are all you have to offer.

@chriser555

Жыл бұрын

@@satnav12345 Cool, didn't know that 👍

We can't debate these things forever like the Brits and yanks want to. Decide, implement, run the country. That's leadership and that's why the Irish have their own country. It was the brits who debated for 800 yrs, we already decided what the majority of the Irish needed. Freedom! Buíochas le Dia. 🙏

There it is, in black & white. For those hell bent on mounting their high horse of indignation, pay heed - which does not mean that you should agree with such a statute - but you need to understand the Statute that has been laid down; &, if it should bother you further, then campaign to have it rescinded.....

@terrygorry

Жыл бұрын

That's it, that's how a democracy works. Theocracy instead? No thanks from me, anyway

@andrewtongue7084

Жыл бұрын

Indeed so, Terry....

@ihc909

Ай бұрын

​​@@terrygorry it's not democracy, it's an executive decision made by government. Democracy would be if it was put to a referendum. That's just basic knowledge not even legalese.

Thank you Terry, appreciate the straightforward take. Some folk seem to have missed the boat on this one, and are grumpy they don’t get to impose their ideas (or ridicule) on the rest of us.

Thanks for sharing this video. Keep voting. Our democracy is a credit to our society. Sorry that you will get some nasty comments on this as you did on the previous videos related to the Wilson Vs Burke employment dispute.

With the greatest respect I do get the point. Acting requires thinking and the negative stereotyping of people of faith helps no one. JP II or the late Pope Benedict preached about the value of Faith and Reason. This is far far away from the Religious Fundamentalism that you refer to. My friend dialogue and reason is the real way forward. Regards B. Walsh

Well done Terry, thanks for that, I only looked @it from the employment perspective also. Live & let live, life is short.

In what way is the debate over, the GRA act doesn't cover children under 16 and the law requires regular review. If a child can't change their legal gender status then a "trans" kid doesn't exist in Irish law. The Equal status act still hasn't been amended beyond stating that the gender ground only includes male or female, and the current recommendations for changes to the GRA Act include abolishing a minimum age for a person to apply for a GRC....It is all up for debate in a democracy and will continue to be so. Why should a teacher be compelled to speak based on a fictional idea that an Irish child under 16 can change their legal gender status, this is nothing to do with the Iranian police and living in a theocracy, the scope of the GRA doesn't cover children under 16 and laws can change in a democracy, the DEBATE is not over!!!

It's similar to the state of public understanding of gay rights 40 years ago. Lots of people back then thought it was a "lifestyle choice", and now almost everyone understands that gay people are born like that. We're in the same state with trans rights today.

@terrygorry

Жыл бұрын

I can remember clearly when being gay was a crime

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

@@terrygorry Some people would have things back that way - and see stoking a false culture war on a vulnerable minority as a waypoint for that goal. Divide-and-rule.

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

@Hold Fast Give over.

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

@Hold Fast Please outline where I said that, right after your explanation for why you quite obviously think the same.

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

@Hold Fast So, you can't. Right. We know how seriously you should be taken in future, now.

Except there was no ‘debate’. The GRA was entirely under most people’s radar.

@mike_mcgb

11 ай бұрын

Went on for over a decade - and was in the press and on television news.

The anonymous rent-a-commenters will be back in here shortly, Terry, trying to pick the law apart and take personal aim at anyone who dares point out where they're wrong. Recognition, respect and common decency are in the books, in black-and-white rights for our trans and non-binary friends, family and loved ones. That is a fact. Trans rights are human rights, like they always should have been, and nothing anyone can say can or will change that fact.

@Garadice33

Жыл бұрын

@@satnav12345 these gender benders and their champions are so obsessed with their rights that they fail to recognise everyone else's. Yerman MMB is acting like an attention seeking troll all over this thread.

@pathofexile7529

Жыл бұрын

If i don't want participative in these delusions, can I get fired from my job for refusing to use other people pronouns? If company wants us to use preferred pronouns in email signature and I refuse, can I be fired?

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

@@satnav12345 Killbotone's comment below has caught you out on your arguments re: legal terms. The rest here is a pretense at framing the idea of "trans lives as debate" as a reasonable position.

@chriser555

Жыл бұрын

@@satnav12345 I think Terry likes certain posts because he has to. Remember that Terry uses this platform to promote his business at the end of the day. If he were to take the wrong position, or even ask the wrong question, he could be in BIG trouble. Especially with the likes of Mike monitoring every comment and discussion on here. He'd only love to cause trouble for someone "on the other side" The smart move for Terry is to take the path of least resistance. I don't begrudge, he has little to gain by stoking the hornets nest. At least he leaves open debate occur without interfering, can't ask more of him than that. Being publicly critical of this shite is akin to being an atheist in the 1920s, worse even.

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

@@chriser555 Yeah, I'm monitoring Terry's videos about business registration and property law and reporting everything to the Woke Politburo

Thx for the videos. The rule of law will tell us what to think! I find this simply ironic, we compare and denigrate religious teaching to the "morality police of Iran" yet we miss the point that it has simply moved to "thought" police of Ireland. Again the law is there and the majority agreed to it but not unlike mother and baby homes of the past where the wider society agreed to them as well and now cry foul.

@terrygorry

Жыл бұрын

No, you miss the point completely. The law will not tell you how to think. You can think any way you like. But it will set parameters on how you act. Thankfully. Because the rest of us have had enough of religious fundamentalism and fanaticism.👍

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

"Thought police". Read another book

@ihc909

6 ай бұрын

I think you miss the point, by a mile​@@terrygorry

I have not this in depth, but as far as I far as I understand, is not one of the problem the "non-binary" pronoun, and as far as I can see, the "Gender Recognition Act 2015" is not taking that in account. In part 3, 18(1) it even says: "Where a gender recognition certificate is issued to a person the person’s gender shall from the date of that issue become for all purposes the preferred gender so that if the preferred gender is the male gender the person’s sex becomes that of a man, and if it is the female gender the person’s sex becomes that of a woman." No mentioning of any other genders in the text, as far as I can see. I am not saying that Burke would have used the the correct pronoun anyway, but for me, transgender from "he" to "she" and "she" to "he" is easier to digest than the singular "they".

Again excellent summary of the facts as they stand.

@Billy8010

Жыл бұрын

But ignored article 40 par 6 of Bunreacht na hÉireann

@johnhehir508

Жыл бұрын

Facts is the whole point ,is there such a thing as male and female ? Are these facts ? , Are all those birth certificates with male or female , actually legal now? Are medical records legal?

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

@@johnhehir508 Do you genuinely believe the motivations for posing these questions, as you're making some sort of point?

It's rather ironic that at the same time as this video was posted the SNP are facing a serious challenge to the gender recognition act they have pushed through Holyrood. The first minister has been caught on the horns of a dilemma and cannot answer whether or not a rapist who identifies as a woman actually is a woman. Under the law that Sturgeon is seeking to get enacted he would be recognised as a woman and treated as such which in his case would mean being sent to a women's prison where he would be a serious threat to the other inmates. The point is that just because a law is passed by a democratically elected parliament it is not necessarily a good and just law. Enoch Burke and most Christians, and many people of other persuasions, believe that gender is inseparable from biological sex and thus the law that recognises change of gender can only do harm. Anyway, though we disagree I thank you for your videos.

@pedropadel141

Жыл бұрын

How do you know most Christians believe that? Maybe the Church of England are out of step?

@stephengurney1311

Жыл бұрын

@@pedropadel141 To be honest I don't know that, I can only hope that it is the case. However, Christians are called to follow Christ who taught the distinction between male and female established at creation. Transgender ideology ultimately destroys that distinction by saying that male can become female and vice versa. If the Church of England is out of step with the rest of the church, so be it, the most important thing for the Church is to follow Christ.

@pedropadel141

Жыл бұрын

@@stephengurney1311 this is from CoE guidance. “The Church of England welcomes and encourages the unconditional affirmation of trans people, equally with all people, within the body of Christ, and rejoices in the diversity of that body into which all Christians have been baptized by one Spirit,” the guidance emphasises. "Unconditional affirmation" It would seem there are different views within the Christian community. But then, some Christian faithful presumably would like to see the Marriage Act repealed along with The Gender Recognition Act.

@christophermccartney2269

Жыл бұрын

Really fair point, when the will of the people through protest and opposition shows signs of overthrowing so called law and order it is then that the elites within the system begin to scale things back due to their fear of losing their grip on the status quo. This is more of a game than anything else, 'they' are seeing how far 'they' can push the spirit of the populace towards breaking point.

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

@@christophermccartney2269 The GRA was debated for years - and discussed in the national media. Sounds like you only took an interest in this when UK/US disinformers told you to.

Good explanation. And no, I don't want to live in a theocratic society, the like of which Enoch Burke and his family envisions. That was old Ireland.

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

It's also tied into an imported US/UK strain of fascism that posits a fantasyland where things were better and simpler - especially a lie in Ireland's case, of course, there was never much in the way of comely maidens and dancing at the crossroads. That idea is then used to sour poor, unsuspecting marks into going down that rabbit hole.

@nityanandapillai8524

5 ай бұрын

@@mike_mcgb Your contempt of the old paths will come back around to bite you. In other words, you will live to regret it if you aren't brain-dead.

Let's not! There is no such thing. What a load of rubbish.

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

The 1992 single 'Killing in the Name', by American band Rage Against the Machine, was written in direct response to that year's riots in Los Angeles, and the police brutality that sparked them. In this essay...

@mike_mcgb

Жыл бұрын

There's no such thing as the Gender Recognition Act, which was debated openly in the media and public discourse for years before finally straggling over the line in 2015?

Fantastic