prince of egypt is such a peak fr

@sonyyung5510

6 ай бұрын

I was literally about say that. Like Prince of Egypt is such a good movie fr. I was about to be like, "Well there is a great animated movie all about freeing the slaves." But she mentioned it anyways so that's good. Of course if you watch Moses story, you realize how much of a herculean task freeing all the slaves of a society actually is. So while it sucks, unless they literally having the backing of God himself, most isekai protags probably won't be able to free the slaves even if they wanted to.

@moacirpatricio5718

5 ай бұрын

​@@sonyyung5510Dont they tecnically already have the backing of a god through recieving a cheat skill?

@hanniesung3595

5 ай бұрын

​@@sonyyung5510well I mean most protagonists are almost god so...

@DarkAdonisVyers

5 ай бұрын

@@sonyyung5510 What freedom? All they did was change masters to Yahweh.

@HaloForgeUltra

5 ай бұрын

@@DarkAdonisVyers Is a man a slave to himself?

How to World Build 1. Your Fetish 2. Your Political Powerfantisy 3. Esoteric Magic System 4. Characters (Optional)

@iYehuk

5 ай бұрын

Hey, it worked for Wheel of Time!

@PrimusValsar

5 ай бұрын

Don't spread this secret... It's working also in litterature...

@enraikow6109

5 ай бұрын

it's more like: 1. The audience's fetish 2. The audience's political power fantasy 3. Deus ex machine (mandatory) 3. Cardboard cutouts (optional)

@turdbergler657

5 ай бұрын

forgot to attach the gigachad image...

@anitoancognita7060

5 ай бұрын

​@@enraikow6109nah it's too hard, there are to many people let's just hope they have same fetishes as me

"Its cool im nice to my slaves." Is pretty much the entire justification the south gave itself for why it was okay to own people.

@Sk89046

9 ай бұрын

Do not let me catch you outside

@Sk89046

9 ай бұрын

What do you do play chai

@terrariaspiritsofargonothb8861

8 ай бұрын

Its like nice guy syndrome. Just like how the supposed "nice guy" is actually an incel, and/or a jurk, the guy who says "Its cool im nice to my slaves." is also terrable because of the very fact that he considers another person as PROPERTY!!! Unacceptable in my opinion!

@Sk89046

8 ай бұрын

Is this why your dad left you?

@Sk89046

8 ай бұрын

This is why your dad left you

Forget the slavery, why "r*pe secne in the first episode" is a fucking trope on its own?

@bthsr7113

4 ай бұрын

Oh that's easy, to show the hero as above such scumbags while also titilating the audience because that's what the decision makers think will sell.

@midgetman4206

4 ай бұрын

It VERY quickly shows you the kind of world it is and the horrors it won't be afraid to put people in. It's a tool. You cannot deny it's effectiveness since in the back of your mind you will be wary of it happening to the characters you care about on screen. There are very real repercussions, and you feel that suspense. Also, you can only have the tallest peaks by having the deepest valleys. You can only truly appreciate happiness if you also understand how bad things can be.

@fruity4820

4 ай бұрын

@@midgetman4206 I don't completely agree with your point, but since writing the original comment I realized that if a show plans to show r*pe on screen might as well do it in the first episode to set up expectations correctly with the viewers

@alexownn382

4 ай бұрын

@@midgetman4206 while I agree with you, I really don't think that isekais utilize that trope well. Majority of times it's simply a shock value, to show off the mc or fetish material for men with r@pe fetish. It's never discussed or go in-depth of trauma the character was inflicted upon. The mc may even sexually harass the character after and it's played as a joke.

@z0w0z.

4 ай бұрын

​@@midgetman4206 my man that's not berserk

The "slave who loses their chains only to volunteer as a slave to someone who was kind to them" trope fills me with so much rage. Nice fucking try isekai

@bentarbbronze6048

4 ай бұрын

What if instead it was "Slave loses their chains but has no idea what to do with their freedom, so the protag has to help them learn and be independent"?

@DanateDMC

4 ай бұрын

@@bentarbbronze6048 So kinda like in Magi?

@bentarbbronze6048

4 ай бұрын

@@DanateDMCI've never watched that, so I can't say.

@DanateDMC

4 ай бұрын

@@bentarbbronze6048 Magi isn't an isekai but the main group basically has a girl who was a slave in it and throughout the series the protagonist and deuteragonist slowly help her stop having the slave mentality. She does use chains on her ankles as a weapon though in a fight which I do think is pretty cool and I think she married one of them later. It was a while since I last watched it but I do remember it being handled pretty well.

@komos3719

4 ай бұрын

@@DanateDMC wow yeah, Morgiana is actually a pretty solid example as far as I recall. They free her with zero expectations of her and I'm pretty sure she doesn't stick with the mc's group right away.

"spoiling the plot of some isekai" they're all the same plot anyway

@portablecar5328

6 ай бұрын

your reason for dismissing skeleton knight isn't a very good reason. You just found it particularly revolting due to the scenery they showed. That itself isn't endorsement of an action so i don't see how its promoting slavery or sexual assault at all. Also you never explain the "attitude towards sexual assault" they take in the show. What does "icky" mean. Explain that more. I'm just not understanding your reasoning for crossing it out. It honestly seems like your decision boiled down to the fact you took issue with the creators showing sexual assault. Which is fine but ultimately not a valid reason for crossing it out in the context of this video

@ma.2089

5 ай бұрын

@@portablecar5328 kinda hilarious you started off saying that they’re all the same show, yet apparently this person’s take on a show isn’t good enough due to lacking nuance. You can’t expect this person to do what you can’t lol

@portablecar5328

5 ай бұрын

@@ma.2089 original comment was a joke because most isekai is recycled slop. Secondly I’m not asking for nuance. It’s very clear why they don’t like the show. I’m saying that their reason isn’t really a reason in the context of this video. Even if i ask them to expand on “icky” it’s probably something to do with portrayal of SA rather than the shows actual moral stance on it.

@juanjuri6127

5 ай бұрын

@@portablecar5328 there's writing a sexual assault scene and then there's writing a sexual assault scene with one hand

@chrisdiokno5600

5 ай бұрын

Some are honestly pretty good

Being honest the slave companion trope is just a lazy way for the autor to give the protagonist a party without having to develop the story to a point that people following the protagonist make sense. Its kinda backwards actually, it made the characters follow the protagonist and just later give a reason to why they should do that.

@whensomethingcriesagain

5 ай бұрын

Which is funny because there's zero reason to do it when you could just have the protagonist offering to pay them for it and achieving exactly the same result without having to bend over backwards to justify it

@adzi6164

5 ай бұрын

@@whensomethingcriesagain that actually depends. If the protagonist is set up to be reviled, he (well, I could say "they", but most of such protagonists are men, right?) might have problems with finding people willing to be hired for any money - and even those might be the worst kind of mercenary.

@whensomethingcriesagain

5 ай бұрын

@@adzi6164 That in and of itself is an interesting story premise though, the protagonist is forced to work with cutthroat sellswords because mercenaries are the only people who don't care about your social status as long as you continue to shit gold in their direction. Or the hero could be forced to band together with other outcasts, or they could make a friend who knows the reason people hate them is false (eg, someone in Shield Hero knowing that the princess is a total bitch). There's a ton of other options there that don't require you to indulge in the weird creepy fantasy of wanting to own a slave

@MrBell-iq3sm

5 ай бұрын

It's about a power fantasy paired up with the illusion of being a good person. Being a good owner, is like being pro life/force birthers until the baby is born. It's an illusion, an excuse for evil people, who refuse to admitt to what they are. If an author wanted to have a companion that sticks to the protagonist in a fantasy world, he could simply use the concept of 'life debt', in which the protagonist saves the companion's life, after which he has to repay him in the same way.

@dracocrusher

5 ай бұрын

It's just such a lame way out of that. I mean, I like meeting new characters and seeing how they come into the story, you can do so many fun things to introduce a character that flavors how you see them as a person. I always love seeing that crap in JRPGs and stuff, you know? Having that badass Dragon Girl Monk join the party doesn't feel as meaningful when she's introduced just being bought from someone instead of showing up by, I dunno, jumping off a cliff to kill 30 Goblins at once as people talk up her abilities or something. I mean, why wouldn't you want distinct fun introduction scenes?! Party member introductions can be so much fun to write and watch! Actually characterize your team, damnit!!!

Shoutout to the person who wrote that isekai webnovel where famed abolitionist John Brown gets transported to an isekai world with slavery in it and, true to form, decides to end slavery.

@noname-kx4cu

3 ай бұрын

What is the name of it that seems interesting?

@DamnBruhthatscrazy

3 ай бұрын

​@@noname-kx4cu "His soul goes marching on to another world" I think, should be on Royal Road.

@BlazingFlame69

3 ай бұрын

I read that in 2 days and that shit was bussin

@user-yd4om1qw3n

3 ай бұрын

he's racist

@ornatechaos335

3 ай бұрын

i saw another comment about this and thought it was a joke T-T

"And she can't say no, because of the implications."

@robertross45

3 ай бұрын

Lol!

@AmunDeus

3 ай бұрын

*The Gang Gets Isekai'd*

@jaigooroo4041

2 ай бұрын

'And from that day, Dennis' heart issues were all gone.'

Remember when isekai was a female protagonist dominant genre. They had giant dragon robots or wolf boys or whatever CLAMP could think of.

@cake_0078

5 ай бұрын

No

@iasked9392

5 ай бұрын

ah..good old days

@freddogrosso9835

5 ай бұрын

Escaflowne was such a beautiful show. Ah, memories...

@dereenaldoambun9158

5 ай бұрын

Alice in Wonderland: Look at all these imitations!!! 😤😤😤

@youraftermyrobotbee

5 ай бұрын

Ah yes. Back when they called it portal fantasy.

"It's just fiction guys" Yeah, it's badly-written fiction.

@lostzephyr2191

5 ай бұрын

It's extremely well-written fiction and I throw gobs of money at it at every opportunity so that more gets made.

@DVictor23

5 ай бұрын

"It's only good when it aligns with my contemporary world views and virtue signals as much as possible at any given time"

@utena2

5 ай бұрын

​@@DVictor23 Thinking slavery is bad is virtue signalling now?😂

@andrerobertson3151

5 ай бұрын

Hot take but I think Media shouldn’t play defense for horrible actions and I will criticize it when it does.@@DVictor23

@welderscript9329

5 ай бұрын

@@utena2 dont jump the boat now, they meant the original guys comment about writing, though most anime slavery trope content is mundane or just outright out of place, there are some exceptions. Long story short everyone is entitled to their own opinion and preferences, and just cause someone says something is bad doesn't mean all of it is bad and should be bad for everyone else

Someday we need an Isekai where the protagonist is an actual good person and the antagonist is another guy who got transported to the same world, but was way more irresponsible with their power. It would be a neat way to poke fun at the writers who prioritize their power fantasy over an actual story.

@mildlytroubled

3 ай бұрын

it sucks that there’s no “male” vers of this, but the slice of life manga The Saviour’s Book Café had a similar theme! the protagonist is a woman in her 30s that got isekai’d into a magic world but was kinda over that kind of stuff so just opened a small book cafe and used her powers for mundane QoL things, while there’s another isekai’d teenage girl who immediately started using her powers to live her Main Character dreams to the detriment of the kingdom. if ur into slice of life romance, i’d recommend it ^^

@damakuno

3 ай бұрын

the mage and demon queen webtoon did that (though technically the people who got isekai'ed aren't the protag, protag is native to the world)

@KartonRealista2

2 ай бұрын

I don't wanna spoil that story but there's a villainess isekai with that exact plot: Akuyaku Reijou nanode Last Boss wo Kattemimashita

@-Adam.-

2 ай бұрын

Well the shield hero kind of does that

@unknowngod8221

2 ай бұрын

@@mildlytroubled i mean i am kinda writing what the op say rn but my character I know he need to take thing slow and play the slow games despite him having potential to be really OP the enemy he fight is dark soul level

You know what's worst? In these stories they always write the girls giving some type of "consent", as if anybody would want to enslave themselves to a guy they met days ago lmao

@LecherousLizard

3 ай бұрын

Starvation and constant fear of death is one hell of a drug. Women did it all the time until like 200 years ago. Funny how that works, eh?

@taigaaisaka6305

3 ай бұрын

Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey, the World Wide hits that sold hundred of millions with a fanbase of 99% women called to say: Pfff, you sure about that?

@courtjester8055

3 ай бұрын

​@@taigaaisaka6305 As if those aren't also massively problematic and awful. Just because sht sells to 40 yo white women with dead bedrooms doesn't mean it's good. Isekai and depressed weebs who wanna die but don't actually wanna die, for example. Also I think you're also forgetting that those are fictional people in those lil books as well. People written by people with weird fantasies.

@courtjester8055

3 ай бұрын

​@@LecherousLizard Of course, that's not the relationship we see in isekai now, is it? A lot of those relationships were loveless and rife with murder and abuse. The author chose to depict a rosy romantic view of slavery in their fiction. Also the whole "it's been happening since forever, so it's ok," is a shtty argument, because you could also apply that to anything else atrocious.

@LecherousLizard

3 ай бұрын

@@courtjester8055 See, but the thing is that, being a part of the Geneva Checklist club, I don't mind those other atrocious things in fiction, as long as there's a baseline to them making sense. Ya know, to keep the suspension of disbelief going. As for the relationships in isekai, isn't it though? In Shield Hero's example, we have a fundamentally good guy who had to resort to dubious means of acquiring companions. Why would he engage in murder and abuse you're talking about, if the wasn't any reason for it? On the other hand, we have Raphtalia who is sick and starving. Falling in line with the first person that shows positive interest is in her best interest. She also at the bare minimum develops a Stockholm syndrome levels of affection towards the MC (personally I don't see it like this, but with this baseline you can't disagree), so it's not inherently "loveless" either, even if you may think it's wrong or misguided.

I think my favorite weird slave thing in a manga is this one 'kingdom builder' story where a guy is isekai'd to a fantasy kingdom as a Prince and he buys fuckloads of slaves. Like... he first buys around 50K slaves to build up a territory into a fortress city and then he buys another 50K to help build war machines, and then finally he buys 100K to make into a private army. And it just strikes me that the author probably has no clue about human beings beyond Sims City because there's no way in hell any random slave trader would have 200K+ slaves in inventory. Not to mention the sheer logistical nightmare of transporting, feeding, clothing, and then training 200K people let alone slaves who are being wrangled by maybe 10 people including the Prince. All of this in the capital city where the standing military force is listed as around 65K total...

@karlmannvoigt7546

6 ай бұрын

While the numbers are incredibly out of whack for slave soldiers in a medieval economy, this is actually how slaves were often employed historically in the middle east and Asia, although not in Japan. There were several middle eastern and Asian dynasties comprised of so called "mameluks", slave soldiers usually of Turkic, Caucasian, or Slavic origin. Often these slave soldiers were treated very well by the sultans, emirs and caliphs they served, earning higher standards of living and positions of power than pretty much any freeborn person. Hence why they didn't kill the people they were serving immediately. However, slave soldiers would often take power when a weak monarch took the throne, either by killing his dynasty and taking over, or by using him as a puppet. They weren't exactly parallels to European knights or feudal levies, but they were something similar. Slaves were often used for construction and hazardous manual labour all over the world, in the western world agricultural slavery was probably the most common kind. In the post-Roman period slavery was however largely abandoned, probably because slave economies and slave societies are the definition of unsustainable. It reappeared in the Americas thanks to industrial magnates needing lots of cheap labour for their mines, farms, plantations and so on. I hazard to call this manga's approach to slavery "good", but it's closer to how slaves were used IRL than pretty much any other depiction I've heard of from a manga.

@boanoah6362

6 ай бұрын

@@karlmannvoigt7546 Oh yeah don't get me wrong, the utilization of the slaves makes sense, giving them essentially their own kingdom is a great motivation for thousands of slaves to not stage a rebellion. It's more just the sheer numbers and the utter lack of real control he has, like, his main circle of people is at tops 20 individuals, his actual soldiers provided as security from the Kingdom is maybe 100 guards, and he's in control of 200,000 slaves. There's no magic slave control bullshit either, the slaves have collars but it's not like they can't do their own thing, so he really is somehow managing the population of a modern city with a handful of people, which even in slave times was ridiculous. He's outnumbered by slaves by magnitudes, it's just not feasible in the slightest, like the total number of slaves in American when it started was like 500K, so he's pretty close and that's from a single slave trader (and it specifies it's that specific dude by reintroducing him as a main character supplying the MC with vast amounts of slaves).

@karlmannvoigt7546

6 ай бұрын

@@boanoah6362 If that's the case, then that's pretty silly lol. Slavery can only be sustained either when the slavemaster can exert enough physical control over his slaves that a forceful rebellion would likely result in their death, or, when being a slave brings more benefits for the slave than being free. People will often trade freedom for safety, stability, or pleasure sadly. Bro has GOT to scale down his setting though. A lot of people have a hard time really picturing scale, which I think is partly why there's so much power creep in anime and manga too. This manga seems to be an example of that.

@boanoah6362

6 ай бұрын

@@karlmannvoigt7546I guess maybe he has something they want as in he treats most of them like citizens and gives them stable employment, but the army force I can't imagine sitting around and being complacent. At least until he rolls out the tanks and machine guns in a fantasy world, which he does, but before then there was 100,000 slaves just marching through the snow to his city being told they're going to be soldiers. It's weird.

@andriusgimbutas3723

6 ай бұрын

200k? Tippu Tip got you covered

The virgin slave isekai vs the based John Brown isekai

@baronbrummbar8691

3 ай бұрын

His soul is marching on

@cameronharding2878

Ай бұрын

Someone needs to adapt that shit 🗣🗣🗣

@baronbrummbar8691

Ай бұрын

@@cameronharding2878 i mean it first needs a proper LN & manga right now it is a low quality Webnovel

I got hit by a truck and the truck got isekai'd into a world where there were truck slaves

@robinchesterfield42

3 ай бұрын

...who's to say trucks aren't ALREADY slaves? After all, they can only move in ways that we "tell" them (with controls and such) to... Of course, if you follow that line of logic all the way to "Vehicles everywhere get sick of humans and RISE UP!" you get "Maximum Overdrive" and then no-one's happy, but....I'm sure there's a way to write a _decent_ "cars are done with our bs" plot. Somehow.

@locomotivo4644

3 ай бұрын

Transformers but Isekai-.

@doodlederp2546

3 ай бұрын

love how there's already a truck isekai that's been made

@marthancrowl1674

2 ай бұрын

Neil Cicierega’s Two Trucks was about an isekai the whole time.

@lincolny2220

Ай бұрын

This is canon in some Transformers continuities

8:05 damn imagine having to risk a civil war to end slavery or even having to actually have a civil war to end slavery its not like that ever happened or anything

@putusanjaya3738

6 ай бұрын

Oh wish I was in the land of cotton....

@warhawk9566

6 ай бұрын

@@putusanjaya3738 way down south in the land of traitors...

@drewmarteny1495

6 ай бұрын

remember from the lyrics the listing means the rattlesnakes and alligators were not traitors@@warhawk9566

@thelast749

6 ай бұрын

@@warhawk9566 Rattlesnakes and alligators...

@friendcomputer5276

6 ай бұрын

Since it was the South who started the American Civil War, it's more accurate to say that it was a war to prevent the end of slavery and then lost. Also, the risk of a civil war was indeed a major reason why the US were so slow in abolishing slavery and olny did it after the war had already started.

I want to end slavery, but I don’t wanna cause a Civil War or economic collapse!” “LOL.” says Abraham Lincoln. “lmao”

@olivercharles2930

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, and that was a whole ass president. The random guy who suddenly got yeeted into another world has nowhere near that amount of power.

@MemeLordCrusader

5 ай бұрын

​@@olivercharles2930bro they got plot powers

@blade7y156

4 ай бұрын

​@@olivercharles2930Man, in a couple of episodes he is generally more powerful than the best warrior of the kingdom, a few more and he is a one-man army, a season later he has the power to fight an entire nation by himself, and by the end of season 3 he is a demi-god... The people that fighted slavery in the real world were nothing but men and women, often poorly armed against the system. So your argument is one of the worst I've ever seen...

@olivercharles2930

4 ай бұрын

@@blade7y156 Bullshit.

@blade7y156

4 ай бұрын

@@olivercharles2930 I am overtaken by such a powerful and well-constructed argument ! How can anyone not be stunned by this masterful use of words... Oh wait no that's just a lame comment because you have nothing interesting to say.

"The whip is love" I physically cringed so hard, yuck

@missrebel634

3 ай бұрын

Abuser type beat

@martinlorca1944

3 ай бұрын

That would sound funny... in another context were she wasn't an actual slave.

@jaigooroo4041

2 ай бұрын

Tbh as a Korean 'the whip is love' or '사랑의 매' was sth we heard a lot in schools till early 2010s when beatings were still allowed by public school teachers. Most teachers would carry around this wooden 'whips' to disipline us lol

“Great Value Kirito” is one of the most casually savage things I’ve ever heard said in a video essay, and I’m here for this.

@trollking6315

2 ай бұрын

Yea and Kirito is great value Guts. "Black Swordsman" my ass.

There is one unironically Good One: "His soul goes marching on in another world". It's an Isekai with famous abolitionist John Brown as its protagonist, and he's just as dead-set on ending the institution of slavery in fantastland as he was irl. No excuses, no handwringing, just pure, righteous action.

@princekyle4132

4 ай бұрын

Oh my God, I must see this NOW

@battyrae1398

4 ай бұрын

YES i keep hearing abt that lol. i guess at some point you just gotta get wild with it

@lucyandecember2843

4 ай бұрын

Holy shit i wanna read that lol

@toastercannon7941

4 ай бұрын

That sounds fucking awesome

@Ienteredmynamecorrectly-lt3nu

4 ай бұрын

I would actually pay for that lmao

I find hilarious when an isekai tries to use the *but I am nice to my slaves* argument. Okay sure you aren't actively abusing them, but they're still your possession, they have to follow and obey you, and are dependent on your generosity to survive. What you've essentially got is a pet, you're keeping a person as a pet.

@juliagoetia

4 ай бұрын

Yeah for real lol. It really worries me that some people think the only thing wrong with slavery is when masters whip their slaves or something. Like, the act of *owning* another human being is innately evil. I bet these are the same people that don't think there's anything wrong with lying, manipulating and coercing a woman into sleeping with them.

@the_quietobserver

4 ай бұрын

why do you care if anime has slavery tho its just fiction

@samual_not_samuel

4 ай бұрын

@@the_quietobserver Because 99.99% of the time the only reason an anime has slavery is to appeal to fetishists.

@Heylanda-fb9xb

4 ай бұрын

​@@the_quietobserver Because it can inspire what happen in those story to become a problem in reality. Pedophile and Rapist who got their horny and emotionally inspired off these types of anime exist you know? And don't forget about the actual hentai about it.

@lazarus8018

3 ай бұрын

​@@the_quietobserverBecause fiction has a massive impact on how people behave and treat others in their day to day lives

How to make a slave anime: Step one: protagonist is a horrible person Step two: protagonist can be a villain

@bemusedbandersnatch2069

2 ай бұрын

*Overlord Spoilers ahead* tl;dr dunno, having a villain protag-kun also offers an excellent opportunity to murder the ever-loving shit out of slave owners without the usual moral concern for human life This makes me think of Overlord which has a famously morally gray protagonist. It is slightly iffy on the issue if you really think about it, but at least it's not prone to fetishizing slavery, maybe because it was written well before shield hero came out. One guy blatantly carting around pretty elf slaves gets murdered quite satisfyingly. His last sight is the sadistic smiles of his slaves as they giggle malevolently because he's about to get murdered and they'll finally be free. They don't even care that they might be next, they take the opportunity to kick his corpse. And they aren't depicted with the typical male gaze shots a lot of the other female characters are. Although now I am revisiting that storyline where Sebas saves Tuare with a more critical eye, but I think in the end if nothing else it never depicts slavery as a good thing. They describe at length how she's been abused and she very clearly suffers PTSD from it. So yeah, turns out slavery is a special kind of evil even above and beyond murdering the shit out of anyone who gets in your way.

@random_dragon

2 ай бұрын

@@bemusedbandersnatch2069 I haven't finished Overlord and don't wanna get spoiled, so just pretend I'm adding something meaningful to the conversation 😂

@bemusedbandersnatch2069

2 ай бұрын

@@random_dragon lol, fair enough. I love that series way, way too much to ever spoil it.

@taddad2641

2 ай бұрын

@@bemusedbandersnatch2069 Sadly it grossly suffers from the chronic issues of so many of them. 'ridiculously op main character syndrome'. to the point they don't even have the illusion of defeat that is necessary and, mroe so, allllllll elements of the setting is geared towards making the character that bit more powerful than everyone else. Especially cause the series trise t ofocus on the various stories happening because of the main character or around him, and he just invalidates all of it cause, normally, if they are someone he likes they win, if they are someone he is against they get obliterated. Especially as his team includes individuals soooo wicked and cruel that there is no way they'd feel a shred of loyalty to ainz, let alone the others. but they just... continue to side with him. even the possiblity of him losing a minion is redacted by having like a million pheonix downs. why bother watching if you know that everyone but ainz is gonna lose?

@bemusedbandersnatch2069

2 ай бұрын

@@taddad2641 Well that's like your opinion man. Also apparently because it's an isekai that doesn't fetishize slavery. It'll fetishize a lot of things, but not that. Also also because there's a lot of really interesting character growth as Ainz learns to become an overlord and previously nonsentient NPCs develop various interests goals and plans. And because the world building is peak and it's fun to meet all the secondary characters, pretty much any one of which could carry a story on their own. Them you worry about and cheer for if they manage to survive.

I commend the skeleton knight anime because when he arrives he says "This is barbaric. It's like something from the age of exploration." Then proceeds to annihilate the slavers.

@shaderunner7.0

5 ай бұрын

Yea, I don't think she was entirely fair to the show, the rape scene was a great way to set the bar to the level of scum he fights against, and as far as I'm aware, it's not exactly touched upon beyond the initial shock value. The show is kinda high mid in any case :^)

@oliviatilleman8055

2 ай бұрын

@@shaderunner7.0 i feel like the fact that the rape is never touched on would be a problem of its own tbh

There needs to be an Isekai with a John Brown-esque protagonist thrown into a world full of slavery where each episode he kills slavers, frees the slaves and builds up and army of freed slaves who continue killing even more slavers.

@toricon8070

7 ай бұрын

there's an isekai novel online where Literally John Brown is reincarnated. look up "John Brown isekai"

@mirceazaharia2094

6 ай бұрын

There is. "His Soul Is Marching On to Another World" on Royal Road, by user The Cabbage Preacher.

@CabbagePreacher

6 ай бұрын

​@@mirceazaharia2094 Oh, that's me! Glad to see the John Brown Isekai is still making rounds 'round the net.

@moonlightsonata9396

6 ай бұрын

@@CabbagePreacherits a good story, so of course fans would spread it

@Aedlmonrl

6 ай бұрын

@@CabbagePreacher Its so good that I binge read the entire series as of current in SIX hours. Yes, at midnight even. What you made is so good its worth spreading even if you just like isekais without the disgusting tropes

"Shield Hero diddnt imply any romantic relationship between Naofumi and Raphtalia" Unfortunately, that... very much stops being the case later on in the light novels.

@Evelyn_Rose1151

5 ай бұрын

I ,regrettably, watched all of season 1 and omg the chocobo girl and Raphtalia Literally blush and fight over the MC. Like. It’s in there already.

@pieperson444

5 ай бұрын

the anime is a completely different story@@Evelyn_Rose1151

@user-iz2cb2kj4g

5 ай бұрын

i thought they would have a father-daughter relationship :(

@pieperson444

5 ай бұрын

laughs in web novel superiority@@user-iz2cb2kj4g

@phantom9831

5 ай бұрын

@@Evelyn_Rose1151 Well yes, but it's one sided, Naofumi doesn't feel that way at all with them, for a long time

Isekai's slavery trope is just an excuse for Japanese authors to whitewash and sexualize their usage of Comfort Women aka Sex Slaves during WWII. Where Japanese soldiers enslaved thousands upon thousands of women and girls mostly from Korea but also China, the Philippines, Indonesia, and other nations under Japanese occupation. It's why I, a Chinese person, find Isekai slavery so disgusting. It's more than just slavery being terrible. It's Isekai downplaying the over two hundred thousand women that were fucking enslaved and rape by Imperial Japan. With how hated this trope is, I'm surprised more people haven't brought the comparison. Imagine if HBO released a show whitewashing and sexualizing Black Slavery. That's what I feel when I see slavery in Isekai.

@ExpertContrarian

Ай бұрын

“Whitewash” get help

Ironic One Piece is portrays itself as the silliest gag manga yet it treats slavery realistically and traumatically. No slave owner is treated as sympathetic and every slave shows the traumatic emotional damage caused by their experience.

@bemusedbandersnatch2069

2 ай бұрын

I was thinking of Overlord which is in turns goofy and brutal but when slavery does come up it usually ends very badly for the slave owner and we get to cheer as they get horribly murdered. And this in a show with a lot of weird fetishy moments.

@MistorDi

2 ай бұрын

@@bemusedbandersnatch2069 Sounds as bad of different kind - self-gratification through forced self-righteousness. And knowing it's your usual escapist power fantasy, I'm sure it's exactly how things are.

@bemusedbandersnatch2069

2 ай бұрын

@@MistorDi Have you seen Overlord? Because I assure you, no one who's seen Overlord thinks the protagonist is particularly righteousness. Even the good characters have a tendency to do morally gray things.

@MistorDi

2 ай бұрын

@@bemusedbandersnatch2069 No, what I wrote implies putting shocking unjust things into story with a sole purpose of the feel of satisfaction of its cause being gruesomely dismantled. Pure justice restoration porn can be fine, but has no place in a well written story.

@bemusedbandersnatch2069

2 ай бұрын

@@MistorDi yeah, you've definitely never watched or read Overlord.

I can recommend one recent isekai that hands slavery decently: Reincarnated as a Sword. At the end of episode 1, upon realizing the girl he's becoming friends with is a slave, the MC snaps the slaver's neck, burns her contract to free her, and joins her quest to become a strong warrior and save her people. It also isn't a romance (maybe only because she's twelve and he's a sentient Magic Object, but still), their relationship becomes more father-daughter (though, stick to the anime or LNs. the manga can't have nice things apparently). Your point still stands, though. The bar for isekai addressing slavery is goddamn subterranean.

@kurodo9926

6 ай бұрын

I actually read the ranobe and there is an actual system with slavery. Basically there are debt slaves that just do menial work until their debt is paid and forced slaves that are looked at with disgust due to obvious human right violations cuz they are basically tortured until they agree to be given a mark that physically hurts them. There's also a lot of moments in the story where they just beat up racists and slavers, lmao

@igorholanda4415

6 ай бұрын

Fran is the best girl also she is Very creepy when irritated

@KalaamNozalys

5 ай бұрын

What's the issue in the manga ? 'cause the premise sounds fucking cool

@stonks3507

5 ай бұрын

@@KalaamNozalysI just hope it ain’t an Usagi Drop

@KalaamNozalys

5 ай бұрын

@@stonks3507 Binged the manga I could find (not sure what is the issue, too much fanservice maybe ?) and doesn't seem to head in that direction, there isn't a one sided romance from Fran to the sword so I think we're in the clear.

Oh hey, I'm the one that created the "Hero's Slave Harem" page over on TV Tropes. I did it specifically hoping that someone would start dissecting it like this video. Thank you for making it worth it.

@Littlepup93

4 ай бұрын

Just because you said that, I'm going to read your page.

@personwhoexists1841

4 ай бұрын

Just because you said that, I’m going to read your page.

@RangeCMYK

4 ай бұрын

Just because you said that, I'm going to read your page.

@baconboy486

4 ай бұрын

Just because you said that, I'm going to read your page.

@runefaustblack

4 ай бұрын

Just because you said that, I'm going to vandalize your page. /j

See, Rising of the Shield Hero could have been really good, because it gives a reasonable flaw of Extreme Distrust for Everyone to the protagonist that makes sense why he would get a slave. It’s just, the story would have been so much better if it the slavery ended by Naofumi deciding to trust Raphtalia, instead of Raphtalia deciding that being a slave to Naofumi ‘wasn’t that bad (tm)’

@badmaw7073

3 ай бұрын

The slave curse in sheild hero gives the slaves in question stat bonuses

@collecter343

3 ай бұрын

@@badmaw7073 Yeah that bit about the stat boists did no favors for the story

@badmaw7073

3 ай бұрын

@@collecter343 i dont think anything beats borderlands 3 in the how not to write a story category

@collecter343

3 ай бұрын

@@badmaw7073 Oh boy, I have seen clips from BL3 and I can only imagine the kinds of crap they came up with in that game.

@badmaw7073

3 ай бұрын

@@collecter343 dont get me wrong its an incredible game gameplay wise its just the story is worse then the first game i minus the main story i love game otherwise tyreen does make a couple of good jokes tho she contacts you insults you says to a psycho tyreen: cut off your favorite leg i i didn't say both he cut off both legs and now hes trying to stand on the stumps.

Like so many other topics, is it okay for anime to depict slavery? YES. Just. Don't. Fetishize. It. Don't make it fanservice slavery. Unfortunately it seems that's too much to ask for many.

@iamLI3

3 ай бұрын

look away tourist......

@lechevalier-ns2pt

3 ай бұрын

@@iamLI3we’ve been here longer than you guys so no

@iamLI3

3 ай бұрын

@@lechevalier-ns2pt also delusional i see....

@adamvegas5951

2 ай бұрын

You know as a 90s anime fan I feel like pointing out digimon adventure 2 had slavery and portrayed it as an evil practice so your point is fair and it’s already been done.

@fearlessslayer341

2 ай бұрын

Why?

My issue from slavery in Iseakai from a story perspective is that it makes no sense. These characters are supposed to be a fish out of water. Now tell me what normal, functioning human being if transported to a world with slavery would immediately think "Yes I should start buying slaves, and I will be a good master because I will only use my authority to pressure them into sex instead of outright raping them" sure they might not be bold enough to act against it and they might even be willing to participate but the main issue is how gung ho the protagonists are to the point where it seems to defeat the whole fish out of water part of Isekai. If the characters immediately acclimate themselves to the world it makes the whole point of making a story an isekai pointless. Did we need a teenager to die and be teleported to Gor when we could have just started with someone born and raised in the land of erotic slavery and just skip the 15-30 minutes of "what you have slaves? what you have magic?"

@neoqwerty

5 ай бұрын

I mean, someone who's SUPER minmaxy and isn't prone to thinking about ethics in a game and who staunchly goes "this is a fake world I can do what I want to without repercussions" might figure out "ooooh cheap party members yay let's fill all the party slots and reserve slots with slaves it's cheap and their low willpower/high fear stat means they're unlikely to disobey!" Let me note though that most times the isekai doesn't even go full solipsism take on how "real" this isekai'd world is, partly because "this world isn't real so I should minmax" actually takes talent and work to write well and make it interesting instead of more Sword Art Online fake game slop.

@selenite3890

5 ай бұрын

@@neoqwerty damn. this made me realize how cool it'd be if there were an isekai where a lonely dude with a bad home life and anger issues got reincarnated into a video game as the antagonist, like a demon king or some shit, and he thinks it's a dream and is like "well its a fake world so i can do whatever i want right?" so this guy just goes around buying slaves as party members, committing war crimes, doing absolutely abhorrent things to max out his stats and eventually something happens to make him realize that its NOT fake and he just fucking murdered a bunch of innocent people and actually bought slaves and now he's disgusted with his own actions and needs to fix everything he did, there would be a whole character arc and everything (also no romance past like the 3rd episode)

@joyc.e.7511

5 ай бұрын

@@selenite3890 See, that would take away from the wish fulfillment. Your MC being a bad person and then taking steps to change is a level of self-awareness that I'm not sure is encouraged in the isekai market. Like, I'm not sure if something that nuanced would do well or even get published if it's not at least a little wish-fulfill-y. They'd probably ask you to write in at least one slave girl for that romance, the MC can't have NO ONE thirsting over him🙃

@derpionderpson1424

5 ай бұрын

Yeah and that is exactly what "Rising of the Shield hero" isn't, but Josei here clearly didn't actually watch the anime *OR* they are downright lying about it and giving a false impression. The actual story is that the MC is incapable of fighting on his own as the shield can do no damage, therefor he need someone else to fight for him. At first it is the Prinsess who volunteer to join him, however she not only steal his money and things when he sleep, she also falsely accuse him of gR&pe. This causes him to have serious traumatic fear of trusting anyone so he give unreasonable demands for the extremely few who indicate any willingness to join him after his public accusation as a gR&pist which cause them to refuse cooperation with him. He is then approached by someone telling him they may have a solution. Cut to that someone turning out to be a slave trader who is explaining him how the seal on slaves makes them 100% obedient, meaning they can't betray or lie to him. The other anime shows here are guilty of downplaying the horrendous nature of slavery, that is true, but Rising of the Shield Hero is not doing that at all so my guess for why it is in here is because Josei read someone else claim it was guilty of celebrating slavery and without a second to consider whether that person actually watched the anime, the claims was repeated without even watching it for themself...

@historyboy1992

5 ай бұрын

​@@derpionderpson1424 I fully agree with your comment. moreover we see MC knowing that raphiel can`t betray him care about her. It helps us see that MC maybe acting like jerk but he is shileding himself from pain others caused him. HE IS NICE GUY ACCUSED OF CRIME. Almost whole first season is about almost nobody beliving in him. Even before betray of princess he is assaulted by other hero because he get a shield the "weakest" weapon and we as a watchers see him slowly getting appreciations and justice

considering how many isekai/tensei stories are pretty much colonial fantasies, it doesnt surprise me how 'slavery isnt that bad actually' stuck to it. even at the many times the narrative would actually say 'slavery bad', it would just follow it up with 'and thats why this modern japanese young man deserves to rule supreme over this land', in one way or another the slaves are just a prop to show how good and noble the main character is edit: one addition i would like to make is that, in case the author decides to include slavery into their fantasy world, i would rather see an actual anti slavery movement, and one with actual involvement of the people who were enslaved. i doubt that absolutely no one would oppose slavery in this world and that the enslaved people wouldnt oppose their situation further than a "damn being a slave sucks". stories where the protagonist is the sole opposition to some slavery, at minimum, show the authors biases

@terrariaspiritsofargonothb8861

8 ай бұрын

Unfortunate. I always frame slavery as one of the worst things in existence in my writing and worldbuilding.

@MALICEM12

6 ай бұрын

To be fair this is how modern liberalism works in real life as well. It's either a noble savage narrative about how western man is evil and corrupts the poor pure native. Or imperialistic in a "we must enlighten the savages of the orient!" Sorta way. Like bombing LGBT values into Middle Eastern nations or telling the Japanese that they aren't feminist enough and should bow to the morally superior ways. The people here aren't any better they think their morals are worth beating people over as well. So the idea that isekai protags get to look noble for freeing slaves and bringing modernity to a "backwards shit hole" isn't any surprise. And funny enough, if they don't do that you'll complain if they don't tear down the society over slavery. So damned if you do damned if you don't.

@Bezaliel13

6 ай бұрын

@@MALICEM12 Yeah, no. The "white savior complex" does not just magically make "Middle Eastern nations" tolerant of LGTQ+ nor the Japanese... whatever not being sexist is called. Similarly, slavery does not become A-OK and acceptable just because the protag came from another world with advanced technology. "And funny enough, if they don't do that you'll complain if they don't tear down the society over slavery. So damned if you do damned if you don't." *They **_don't_** do that. This video DIRECTLY called out how they don't do that," _so that was not applicable.* Seriously, what is this "if they don't do that" angle on this thing they "don't do?" Not to mention all the isekai where the protag improve society with modern technology. Oh, and let us not forget that the slave is usually of some *beastman race.*

@claudiofabian1054

6 ай бұрын

@@MALICEM12 I believe it's a lot simpler than than what you are trying to do here... The problem isn't slavery itself but how it's portrayed: In the examples here, they only take the "safe approach" (In lack of a better term) To slavery. In fact, I'd argue that slavery doesn't provide or give anything to the story as a whole, and could easily be removed and changed for something like maids and the sort. Slavery is brought into the story, and not developed, or just kept as a horny kink for the protagonist, and apparently everyone, to have, and it's not developed further. I'm not one to kinkshame, but if you are going to be making a story, that's a very lazy approach. You can't introduce the topic of slavery to the audience, and then not fucking develop it. How does it work? Do they capture slaves or is it more of indentured servitude? Like, there is SO much you can do with slavery in a story, it's almost criminal how these shows portray it. That is my main problem. As for destroying slavery... I'm fairly sure you can't make any moral argument in defense of slavery. Society will always have a bunch of good, bad and even grey stuff. But slavery, in quite literally every society I know of, has been portrayed as something bad and generally undesirable.

@donalddarko5807

6 ай бұрын

​@@MALICEM12 What is blud yapping about

I feel like the biggest problem with Slavery is that the modern audience has no fucking clue what slavery actually is. Complaining about slavery in fiction while benefiting from it in nearly every aspect of our everyday real lives. And i am not talking about past Slavery, many people have current day real life slaves and don't realize it, because Holliwood has gaslit them into thinking that slavery was this extremely specific thing to obfiscate the reality of modern day slavery.

"FACE THE JUDGEMENT OF THE LORD, SLAVER!" - John Brown when he gets isekai'd.

We need an Abe Lincoln isekai! "Reincarnated into a fantasy world after getting assasinated in the theatre, and...ah shit, here we go again."

@purplfedora800

5 ай бұрын

There is a John Brown isekai by The Cabbage Preacher on Royal Road

@Blundabus1337

4 ай бұрын

"There is a physical difference between the two, which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality, and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position." -Abe Lincoln.

@Merilirem

4 ай бұрын

He can go hunt vampires!

@MrRAGE-md5rj

4 ай бұрын

Bern there, done that.

@pugofwarbr

4 ай бұрын

there is even a Putin isekai already.

I think what's awful that people don't bring up is that Japan engaged in slavery prior to, and during the second world war. They were working Chinese nationals to death to fuel the pacific war. It makes it even more tone deaf for Japanese companies to make anime glorifying slavery.

@portanrayken3814

5 ай бұрын

and the USA killed many people and yet they make a million game and movie where they kill even more people in it and allow you to kill it is fantasy bro grow up

@olivercharles2930

5 ай бұрын

That is entirely irrelevant lmfao

@TiltedGlassesMedia

5 ай бұрын

@@olivercharles2930 What? No it isn't. It's absolutely relevant. What the hell are you talking about?

@olivercharles2930

5 ай бұрын

@@TiltedGlassesMedia No it is not. Bringing up historical shit is almost rarely relevant. Especially here, the slavery from almost a century ago has zero bearing on fictional slavery in modern anime. What the hell are you and the other guy talking about??

@TiltedGlassesMedia

5 ай бұрын

@@olivercharles2930 That the glorification of slavery is looked upon as uncomfortable here in the west, and that was 200 years ago, so you'd think a country that engaged in it less than 100 years ago would also look at it as uncomfortable. Then again, anime is a niche thing in Japan, so... maybe they do.🤔

As a massive history nerd, if you're gonna do slavery, at least do some basic research because no there weren't tents with massive metal cages filled with humans anywhere at any time. This sounds like a shallow critique but holy fuck the logistics

@laisphinto6372

2 ай бұрын

also they should understand what slavery is and it wasnt only warfare and kidnapping ,sometimes or lets face it an awful lot it was people who were massively in debt or just so poor that the only better option was slavery. or warfare where it was even more humane than the other option aka slaughtering every man,woman and child, shit was brutal back then. slavery is nuanced and has things that are understandable even today where we abolished slavery but did we really for example when your bank account is in the red and your property can be seized for compensations or prison work

we need an anime adaptation of the John Brown Isekai

John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave, John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave, John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave, But his soul is marching on!

@carlsonraywithers3368

5 ай бұрын

FACE THE JUDGEMENT OF THE LORD SLAVER!!!!

@mohamdmlg9027

5 ай бұрын

Glory glory hallelujah

@notme8232

5 ай бұрын

He's gone to be a soldier in the army of the Lord, He's gone to be a soldier in the army of the Lord, He's gone to be a soldier in the army of the Lord, His soul is marching on!

@hellfollowedhybrids

5 ай бұрын

@@notme8232Glory, glory hallelujah

@damaramu.

5 ай бұрын

Now there's an isekai I'd like to see.

I feel like this depiction of slavery also serves to reinforce the view that political systems or certain parts of them cannot be subverted, that actual meaningful political action is pointless and impossible. You can't end slave trade, all you can do is be a good slave owner; it mirrors the typical individualistic solutions that are parrotted back to us in the real world regarding issues of climate change, unethical consumerism and many other topics. Just recycle, just be an ethical consumer, etc., things that don't stop the issues, all they do is serve as a sort of placebo for our psyche. These anime just help to reinforce viewing the status quo as unchangeable, something a lot of western media also likes to do incidentally.

@boanoah6362

6 ай бұрын

Individual change is so meaningless it's crazy to me that giant megacorporations actually convinced people that they are part of the problem... When there's like 3 countries responsible for over 60% of the total global pollution problem and switching billions of cars to electric would maybe cut down 5%...

@xX_DarkPriestessDemonDragon_Xx

6 ай бұрын

except that's not really the case for most of these protags. I guess you could excuse someone like Naofumi because he's not immediately strong enough to accomplish such a thing from the start of the anime, but most other isekai protags have a bs power but not only that, they gain even more power and even influence, including social influence along the way. All the resources, tools and skills needed to abolish slavery as a whole... and they just don't.

@leiderhosen7110

6 ай бұрын

This is pretty much exactly how it is handled in the story I am writing, only with self-awareness, and the fact this isn't an isekai--though there are various countries and cultures that practice different beliefs. Slavery is brought up often as an unsustainable practice that only invites a subjugated group to enter a violent revolution, only for the rebels to become the oppressors of their former masters and themselves get revolted against, and on it goes. By this point in the story the world has entered a time period that roughly mirrors the early modern age, and the powerful empire that takes center stage has been on a continuous state of decline specifically BECAUSE they are socially and technologically backwards savages the rest of the world has no interest in dealing with, and a handful of countries actively want to destroy them. So one of the existential quandaries of the heroes is "are these people even worth protecting? Is it worth it to save the innocent civilians when their country is actively making the world worse? How does one cope with the guilt of being part of a broken system, but powerless to singlehandedly reform it?" So yeah early on I sadly use this trope since it's pretty critical to the development of multiple characters, but I've had to focus on making sure that it's respectful of the subject. The protagonist who "frees" another protagonist from slavery has no romantic interest in them whatsoever. They meet by total coincidence (except destiny is a tangible force in this universe, so it isn't), and he intends to bring them back to their homeland when he is finished with his mission. He is forced to hang onto her by forces outside his control, and he has an argument with another protagonist over this very trope before he makes it clear that he is only doing this because he cannot trust anyone in this country with her safety, and the moment he can leave with her, he will. It also hopes that Tevyl is a main character with her own pov chapters, and she undergoes a personal journey of retaking her personhood after being enslaved her entire life. At least, that is my best attempt to turn what was a pretty bad story in my teens into something valuable in the present.

@egyasokkbol

6 ай бұрын

@@leiderhosen7110 honestly sounds like you dealt with the concept pretty well, on a personal level. The first comment under mine specified issue well: these protagonists are often capable and powerful enough to make meaningful change, they could free slaves, in some cases end slavery but they choose not to. If a character doesn't have that power, if they are the victim of the system and not the beneficiary, or maybe somewhat neutral and powerless (like in a dystopia maybe) it's understandable why they can't fight it. But when main characters actively engage in buying slaves but are expected to be perceived as good guys? Yeah, that's pushing it. Also, not here to criticize but the slaves becoming opressors might be a bit... uncomfortable? At least to me, but I don't know the details of your story. Historically, opressed people could never really turn the tide and when they did, they almost never adopted the ways of their opressors. It takes the clear moral high ground from the opressed, which actually probably works for your story, I couldn't know. Other than that it sounds interesting, especially the being part of a broken system bit and the dilemmas that come with that.

@leiderhosen7110

6 ай бұрын

@@egyasokkbol Something else covered is the role of propaganda and historical revisionism in maintaining status Quo. Slavery still exists in most places as a punishment for prisoners of war or capital offenders, but the dystopia is a pariah because they maintain a population of esoin who are born into slavery from day one, a practice that has fallen out of style. They excuse this by citing how the esoin empire practiced slavery of humans, so this is just karma, but they conveniently leave out all the parts where humanity isn't a monolith--the esoin had human allies who were equal partners, and humans enslaved eachother pretty routinely and sold them off to the esoin for profit. These events were centuries ago though, so it's more convenient to simplify it to "us vs them". The truth was the Age of Chaos was a very lawless period of constant war and everything that comes with it, Noone who came out the other side didn't get blood on their hands. A running theme is the age old "absolute power corrupts absolutely". Even beyond slavery, which is the most extreme form, society is highly unjust because when you give a person the power to do as they please with no consequences it leads to abuses of that power. Ie, slavery is just the symptom of a larger disease. You DO make a great point though, if someone had hyper God powers, they probably could just abolish it themselves. In the end I think what matters is execution, like most things.

Titus Alexius from Magi is ultra based because he said his country should end slavery and when the slave owners sais "it has to be gradual" he said "No. We'll do it now."

The only way to do the "Slavery in the Isekai world" trope correctly is to have the Hero actively disgusted by the practice and put all of their energy into violently dismantling the system. Like the Gigachad Skeleton Knight: Arc.

@josephbulkin9222

3 ай бұрын

Why? Has it ever occurred to you that the hypothetical isekai protagonist might absolutely despise the modern nonsense of the west and be happy that be is not forced to conform to them anymore?

@cyceryx

3 ай бұрын

@@josephbulkin9222 no shot you're actually supporting the enslavement of children rn

@victoriazhu9381

3 ай бұрын

@@josephbulkin9222 Conform to what? If you think acknowledging everybody's basic human rights and opposing the enslavement of human beings is "modern western nonsense", idk what to say to you bud.

@josephbulkin9222

3 ай бұрын

@@victoriazhu9381 there's no such thing as human rights. It's a superficial concept made by Christians to tell other people who they should behave.

@LecherousLizard

3 ай бұрын

@@victoriazhu9381 That's the fun part. Human rights aren't some divine law, it's a very recent phenomenon that only exists, because it's enforced by humans (where it's profitable). Secondly, it's called HUMAN rights for a reason. Honestly, I'm amazed at how much people take for granted.

It's so dumb how slavery is used in shield hero. It started okay with Naofumi using it because of his trust issues/trauma, but while Raftalia gets over her trauma, Naofumis coping mechanism just gets endorsed by people wanting to be his slave and the slave crest giving his slave somekind of bonus because of the hero wepon, even though we learn the hero wepon constructs a system the user believes in, so if he believed in a party bonus he wouldn't need the slave bonus.

@dcry1003

5 ай бұрын

slaves crest is there to enforce trust, raftalia says so herself that she still choose to be his slave as a sign of her commitment and to tell him that he can trust her, its that simple

@Mader-vz1zy

5 ай бұрын

@dcry1003 Yeah, I get that, but why must everyone else become a slave so he can trust them? The answer, because of the hero exp bonus they get from being connected to him. But we know that the shield builds a system around the users' beliefs, so he could just believe in a party system/buff. I think it would be a nice development for him not to rely on the slave system anymore as a form of character growth to show he can trust people again, with the slave system it just feels like he never got over his trust issues, but the slave system is already such an established thing the author will probably never change it and that's okay, it's all just a nitpick I have.

@dcry1003

5 ай бұрын

@@Mader-vz1zy well with what happened with larc... do i really need to say why the slave system is necessary than just xp bonus?

@Mader-vz1zy

5 ай бұрын

@dcry1003 Just because one was betrayed doesn't mean you must make sure everyone around you can't betray you. That just shows ones trust issues even more. Also, they trick each other. Naofumi posed as an adventurer, the same way l'arc did, and they were both sad that they turned out to be enemies and in the end they make up to stop the merging of worlds instead of killing each other. A person who can't trust people is a scared cowered.

@Liezuli

5 ай бұрын

​@@dcry1003That's just an obvious contrivance by the writer to keep the slavery There's other ways to show display a character's trust and dedication as it is now, it just makes Naofumi look like scum

"He can't end slavery outright because he'll be putting the country on the brink of civil war if he does anything too drastic." Hmm, I wonder if there are any possible parallels in real world history, how that worked out, and whether that was worth the "economic disruption" that happened as a result. Something to ponder over.

@sinuous1576

5 ай бұрын

It only all worked out in the end by dumb luck.

@dawert2667

5 ай бұрын

A drastic move can have horrible consequences. The American Civil War, caused directly by trying to abolish slavery outright all at once, killed around 700,000 people, which would be the equivalent of millions in today’s numbers

@user-sm1bi5ix6l

5 ай бұрын

@@dawert2667 the people that died are either heroes or were siding (for whatever reason i dont care) with the slavers, so not much is lost.

@umbralupus6488

5 ай бұрын

​@@dawert2667 Double check your history, abolition happened after the war had been going on for a while, the slave states just preemptively seceded to protect slavery when the abolitionist movement in the north was still relatively weak. Ironically this gave the abolitionists the required political power to do abolition in the first place.

@happycamperds9917

5 ай бұрын

​@@dawert2667 I mean Abraham's original plan was to let slavery die out slowly by preventing it from spreading, but the South just seceded as soon as he was elected.

The Prince of Egypt really is outside this discussion.

_"There is nothing more pathetic than a slave who begins to trust his slaver"_ - Sunless (Shadow Slave)

@JoshuaMiller-rw3sj

3 ай бұрын

My x lover best friend and baby momma Jennifer Christine lamprecht, Isabelle Christina whomever she is I miss her terribly . I must also apologize to Natasha Pawliuk for breaking my other best friends heart ❤️ , are triangle has left me feeling dread as if both parties are currently in horrible condition and or being abused. Jennifer Christine lamprecht will always be my baby momma and a true love, Natasha Pawliuk will always be my first real love. Every day I feel like a spectre splitting into eternity from the book Four Zoas by William Blake, horrible agony as we split into eternity. My x Jennifer Christine lamprecht, was friends with a coyote from mexico and has a best friend James , she's rumored to be with a killer called Kyle. I worried her worst nightmare of dying alone could become a reality I said I'd never let that happen even if she hates my guts , it's my word.

I think the real reason for slavery being such a common thing in isekai is the proliferation of porn. The modern isekai genre primarily functions as wish fulfilment, and as more and more people grow up having watched porn they get weirder and weirder fantasies. Have you ever noticed how slavery in anime is usually sexual slavery? Or how the protagonist of an isekai anime that employs slaves, almost never has male slaves that serve as his bodyguards? As well it's always the same kind of slavery, chattle slavery. It's never the slavery employed by ancient germanic peoples, which was closer to a kind of feudal relationship than slavery. Neither is it Greco-Roman slavery which often took forms closer to a boss-employee relationship. Slaves in these anime can never buy themselves free, or have an appointed time when they must be released from slavery. It's always chattle slavery, with slaves primarily being used as sex slaves. The cause is porn, the symptoms are the weird levels of female slaves in isekai content. Weird brother-sister relationships and disturbing views of little kids are caused by the proliferation of porn, too. In conclusion: Someone should make an isekai story inspired by the life of Cyrus "Total Slavery Death" the Great.

@alsparkproductions7849

6 ай бұрын

I was thinking the conclusion would be something like "we must end those types of porn", but I was pleasently surprised.

@karlmannvoigt7546

6 ай бұрын

​@@alsparkproductions7849 To be fair that's a foregone conclusion, and while not impossible it's outside the scope of the discussion really.

@harkonen1000000

6 ай бұрын

There's Arslan Senki, but it's not an isekai.

@Tenko72

5 ай бұрын

Otome isekai DOES have male slaves and people have commented how it's weird for the love interest to be the protagonist's slave. Sugar Apple Fairy Tale isn't isekai, but it does have the protag buy a male bodyguard slave. I do agree about the porn part. You used to have to go through a beaded curtain or trawl a romance bookshelf to find things like these. Now, it's chilling on the grocery store bookshelf.

@PlanetZoidstar

5 ай бұрын

It's more like Biblical Slavery.

For anyone interested in a subversion of the troupe, there's a visual novel free online titled "His Soul is Marching On to Another World; or, the John Brown Isekai". It is exactly what you think it is, and I would recommend it.

@bruhicusmomentus3060

6 ай бұрын

“FACE THE JUDGEMENT OF THE LORD, SLAVER!”

@dylanbowers6292

6 ай бұрын

What site?

@lol2424242424

6 ай бұрын

@@dylanbowers6292 It's on Royal Road for the most part I believe, though you can likely find it elsewhere as well.

@moonlightsonata9396

6 ай бұрын

@@dylanbowers6292just search it up

@Aedlmonrl

6 ай бұрын

@@dylanbowers6292 Royal Road, note, its rn basically a novel since its still ongoing. But its a good read, and you'd binge it really quickly despite being long already

3:30 You know this could've ended in something sweet... but then she asked to be rebranded and he even allowwed it. Idk what author was thinking and how is this satisfying? Wouldnt it be sweet if while yes he did buy her, he would willingly remove the brandmark after he took her or heck after this fight he refused to brand her back and decided that they should act as equal partners and friends? Genuinely dont get what author was cookin 💀

@wyatthermens2866

2 күн бұрын

I think it was because she saw it as her connection to the man who saved her from a living hell and had not only helped her overcome her trauma of the waves but also gave her purpose and a new family. I might be reading to much into it but that’s how I took it at least. Especially since he didn’t encourage or discourage her from doing it he only asked if this is what she really wanted

Weakest John Brown enjoyer vs strongest Isekai protagonist slave owner.

I liked the John Brown Isekai. "FACE THE JUDGEMENT OF THE LORD, SLAVER"

@Aedlmonrl

6 ай бұрын

“Young man, I’d say that you were the one being ‘cringe’ and ‘unbased’ all along. May God have pity on your soul.” Funniest yet one of his hardest lines in novel, truly a John Brown moment

@someasiandude4797

5 ай бұрын

@@Aedlmonrl that shit is hard gold

@randomgamer7203

5 ай бұрын

@@someasiandude4797fr I thought that shit was fake till I read it, imma die from peak fiction

@highcaliber350

5 ай бұрын

WAIT THERE'S ACTUALLY A REAL ONE??? SAUCE?

@Aedlmonrl

5 ай бұрын

@@highcaliber350 "His Soul is Marching on; or The John Brown Isekai" on Royal Road. It's a light Nov type deal, with atleast I think 50+ chapters? It's a really good read since it has great pacing, and since it's bloody John Brown there isn't any harem shenanigans happening here 😁

Ever notice how we never hear anything about the culture of the cute animal girls who are being enslaved? That's because if we did, it would become too blindingly obvious that the entire structure of these worlds is dependent on and necessarily indicative of an active and ongoing campaign of genocide which the protagonist's ambivalence makes him complicit in.

@66Roses

3 ай бұрын

What's sad is that in _Shield Hero_ we _do_ know *a lot* about demihuman culture, and especially the culture of the main girl Raphtalia, which makes it all the more baffling to me that the story just kind of glosses over the slave trade in later chapters.

“Many of us like to ask ourselves, ‘What would I do if I was alive during slavery?...The answer is, you’re doing it. Right now.” You know maybe this Aaron Bushnell guy was onto something

@LecherousLizard

3 ай бұрын

It's literally still in the USA constitution too.

@WynnofThule

3 ай бұрын

@@LecherousLizard Yeah, to an extent it is. The clause protecting the legality of slave importation is as much a part of the constitution's as anything else, though hasn't been in effect since 1808.

@LecherousLizard

3 ай бұрын

@@WynnofThule Ah, not that clause. The one that, ironically, outlaws slavery. It's a fun read.

I had to look at that body pillow again, because I didn't believe my eyes the first time. That's messed up.

Literally had to stop reading a Light Novel series 5 volumes in cause the MC got 30+ slaves who refuse to be free cause he's such "a nice slave owner". I initially loved the series because he properly freed a bunch of slaves in volume 3, but a volume after you learn that was only because the guy was a "bad slave owner", not cause it was a human rights violation.

@benjaminthibieroz4155

5 ай бұрын

Damn. Couldn't even come with an actual realistic reason like nobody wanting to employ former slaves...

@adzi6164

5 ай бұрын

@@benjaminthibieroz4155 that's an interesting idea, to be honest. In order for, shall we say, "open" slavery (as in, completely legal and not hidden), to exist in a society, it would need to be in some degree accepted and supported. And if that's the case, slaves suddenly becoming free would at least turn heads.

@mbartelsm

5 ай бұрын

Like, it pisses me off because there's space there for an interesting story there. Slavery throughout history has taken many forms and in many cases being a slave was something you might actually desire because it allowed you to live a much better life at the expense of your freedom. For example, in ancient greece if you were a barbarian, being the slave of a good and powerful master granted you status that you couldn't dream of otherwise. Exploring those ideas, the idea of trading your freedom for safety, can be interesting and enlightening and can make for some amazing character development on all sides of the slave-master relationship. Unfortunately, I'm sure that LN didn't have any such degree of nuance, making the whole thing worthless and a waste of a good storytelling opportunity.

@sheepj2464

5 ай бұрын

Yea if you have no money in a world where your race or spices isn’t treated as people your safer as a slave as your the property of someone the government cares about, if they wanted to work for a wage and save up to immigrate that would make some sense

@josephbulkin9222

3 ай бұрын

"Human rights violation"? There no such thing. This is nonsense crafted by the lily-livered West, where they have milk running through their veins instead of blood. Who are you to decide how humans all over the world should be treated? None you have no right.

Rising of the Shield Hero episode 1 : "Well I guess I have no other choice but to buy this slave." Rising of the Shield Hero episode 5 : "Well I guess I'm fine with having Raphtalia as my slave again." Also episode 5 : "Look at this cute little girl who can turn into a chocobo and who thinks I'm her dad... She will make a good addition to my slave harem!" Meanwhile, on episode 1 of Reincarnated as a Sword : "Nah! I'm just gonna snap this slaver's neck and free the cute neko girl."

@scorlexd5377

6 ай бұрын

Based Shield Hero?

@boanoah6362

6 ай бұрын

To be fair to Shield Hero, he actually is against slaves initially, he only bought one when literally everyone in the Kingdom including the other heroes turned on him. Though it is pretty fucked that even when he's a God he doesn't do anything about the slavery problem...

@ladenian6424

6 ай бұрын

@@boanoah6362 I personnally have nothing against the initial premise of the story ("no one will work with me so I will buy a slave because there is no other alternative") but I find utterly baffling the fact that Raphtalia is totally okay with being a slave again after she has been freed. All that character progression ruined in a single episode, just for the sake of the mc owning a cute anime girl.

@nirn_

6 ай бұрын

And that is why swords are cooler when shields

@erseshe

6 ай бұрын

In defense of Raphtalia, what she did was more like a knight pledging allegiance to a king where at first she served due to mere circumstance. Even if Naofumi wasn't a cardboard box and had the ambition to get rid of slavery as a system, Raphtalia might change her title to a knight but functionally the relationship would remain the same. @@ladenian6424

There are a couple of mistakes, first being the "Raising of a Shield Hero" was the first to feature a 'slave harem'. I'd argue that Overlord was the first one, with How not to summon a demon lord being the next and also the first to try and justify it. I'd argue the success of Overlord and "Summon Demon Lord" was the reason Raising of a Shield Hero was allowed to get animated in the first place.(Though one could argue "No Game No Life" was the first to have a 'slave' as a good thing) Next being A Realist Hero take on Slavery. You are leaving out some key details, first being that he was putting down a civil war, second is that he was trying to avoid killing them or leaving room for another rebellion, third was that he didn't enslave _specifically_ her but instead the enemy commanders(meaning the father and daughter), fourth and finally, his primary order, and the only one I can recall him using, was "Kill me If I become an Evil King", he also wasn't trying to add her to the harem(nor was he on board with the whole harem thing in the first place). I can agree that the 'whipping' talk was stupid, but I feel that you are dropping a lot of information to drive home your point. You could still harp on it for using slavery like a solution, but don't strip it entirely of context. I will say though, that I completely understand your main point, the whole Idea that people can be bought and traded like property is a dark topic, and I think part of the problem is most people don't want to acknowledge the dark fact on that, so handle the topic improperly. It doesn't help that constantly Slavery is almost treated like a form of Hired Laborers or Mail-Order Brides, ones that the writers can just maneuver around as they want. They typically treat slavery like a solution to problems, but that means you have to treat slavery as if it isn't an inherently terrible thing to do, which results in this outcome. They also include slave magic every time, which has even darker implications.

When you said degenerates of the jury, I was confused for a second as I thought I saw Chil-I mean Wild Emperor from One Punch Man there and was VERY confused until I looked back.

The slave trope runs rampant with Manwas targeted towards girls as well sadly 😭. The amount of times I’ve seen female leads keep “Beastman” slaves and treat them as pets is disturbing. And her attitude is the same as the guys in the light novels too. “I’m not like their previous owners who whipped them! I’m nice!” Like ok girlie…

@terrace15

3 ай бұрын

Good to know that it's not one-sided, at least

Another weird thing is…slavery was abolished in many parts of medieval Europe. Which is the time period that inspired the medieval fantasy of these shows. Also, Tolkien (who’s works inspired this genre) never had the good guys have slaves. Only the evil orcs had slaves. Having slavery in these shows are just weird.

@TopOfAllWorlds

5 ай бұрын

As far as I can see from skimming through history real quick, most places practiced slavery until late into the medieval period, and the Bitish isles were among the last to abolish the practice.

@brutusthebear9050

5 ай бұрын

Any place that didnt have slavery had serfdom, which is slavery with extra steps.

@hannahgoldkamp8888

5 ай бұрын

@@brutusthebear9050I don‘t think that is universally true, especially since „serfdom“ is such an unspecific word and it‘s really dependent on the locality.

@brutusthebear9050

5 ай бұрын

@@hannahgoldkamp8888 Serfdom was a system which prevented the movement and freedom of the lowest class, making them beholdent to the nobility which owned the land they lived on. The noble had the power of life and death over the serf as they could send them to war. Furthermore, serfdom and slavery have the same linguistic root.

@djyoutubetomp3

5 ай бұрын

@@brutusthebear9050 wrong lol, "slave" comes from the late latin word for slavic peoples which was "sclavus" since they were a people who were often enslaved. serf comes from the latin word servus, which comes from the commoners' phrase "servus humillimus, domine spectabilis" meaning "your most humble servant, noble lord," though it is worth noting that "servus" most commonly meant "slave." serfs also could NOT be sent to war, as serfs were specifically excluded from the Assize of Arms. only free tenants on a lord's land had the right to bear arms. this is not to mention that there is evidence of serfs having enough money to afford manumission but instead using that money to buy more land, AND instances of people entering serfdom of their own accord for the right piece of land. it was a CONTRACT. the serf worked the land owned by the lord in exchange for the lord's protection and a place to live. i'm not gonna say it was all sunshine and roses but calling serfdom "slavery with extra steps" is incredibly disingenuous and historically illiterate.

Thanks to you now I know about "now and then here and there" and I plan to watch it

I had no idea that this trope started with shield hero. It doesn't feel THAT recent.

this trope but the protag starts realizing how horrible slavery really is after spending time with his bought slave and later goes on a slave-seller hunt to abolish slavery. and they actually examine it properly and has the protag change their views further into the series. like a "hey, i know this was normal but maybe it shouldn't be" alternatively the slave just nukes the protag and becomes the NEW protag

@MS-ij8ud

5 ай бұрын

to be honest this highlights another problem I have with the trope. In real life slaves often worked together trying to find ways to rebel or escape, or take agency over their lives / identity in whatever way they could. Painting them as helpless until a savior comes along isn't exactly better.

@lunar_proxy

5 ай бұрын

@@MS-ij8ud shii you're right about that, now that you mention it

@CandyAmble

4 ай бұрын

japanese people are too homogenous for empathy and complex thought every time they even mention on any taboo or touchy subject they always show how ignorant they are at a basic level it seems like they lack empathy a society too scared to talk about real issues and it shows how just immature the mentality is

@I_Wont-speak-fish

4 ай бұрын

You dont want an anime protagonist, you want John brown

@Marcuskwok-hn5yi

4 ай бұрын

I like the alternative

This is a thing in Korean isekai manhwa as well. The most recent one I read is Villains Are Destined to Die, but I remember I started another one where a girl bought a slave boy and was trying to convince her father to adopt him so he could be her protective brother to prevent her gruesome death. I think he was the love interest, but I can't be sure because I dropped it immediately. The ones I've seen are with male slaves instead of girls but I think thats because I exclusively read isekai with female protagonists

@drallak442

4 ай бұрын

Oh I really like that manwha because the slave always acts like a slave. Spoilers but He actually becomes evil because she puts all of her cards on him but he is and always has been a slave in their relationship, even if his collar is off, and her treatment of him almost causes her demise. By keeping him a slave, she has doomed herself as well as failed him, and I believe she will severely regret this when she comes to realize it.

@purplebunn

4 ай бұрын

@drallak442 If you mean Villains are Destined to Die then yeah I know I read up to 136, I enjoyed it but I really dislike this trope

@drallak442

4 ай бұрын

@@purplebunn oh absolutely same feelings

@robertross45

3 ай бұрын

Do you like villainess manga?

NOW AND THEN, HERE AND THERE REFERENCE? LETS GOOOOO. Sometimes I think I dreamed that show up for how little it ever gets mentioned

Thank you for the amazing video

Honestly, I now kinda wanna make an isekai thing and the MC is like: “oh shit, slaves are legal here… Well slap my ass and call me Abraham Lincoln-“

@adzi6164

5 ай бұрын

google for "His Soul is Marching On to Another World; or, the John Brown Isekai". Your idea was already realised.

@isabelbarker3569

5 ай бұрын

@seanpokefan7429 Do it. I'll help

@noneofyourbusiness4133

5 ай бұрын

@@adzi6164hells yes.

@liandoaethend2403

5 ай бұрын

Theres a manga about a guy went "i know its legal, but.. but its wrong buy slave!!" 1 chapter later "This the slave i choose!" 💀

@Makkis

5 ай бұрын

@@adzi6164 WAIT, IT EXISTS?

It's sad that those writers think that the only way a beautiful girl would come to like them is by them being forced to live with them to see what a good guy their actually are.

@dcry1003

5 ай бұрын

huh?? is the only isekai you've watch those with slave trope? what are you talking about...

@Mader-vz1zy

5 ай бұрын

@dcry1003 The slave trope is just the speed run version of the damsel in distress trope. The writer wants MC to meet the girl and spend time together as fast as possible, and instead of building up a relationship, she just falls in love with him for being treated nicely. It's lazy, rushed and unimaginative. So I made a joke about those writes not being able to think of other scenarios where a girl would fall in love with someone.

@dcry1003

5 ай бұрын

@@Mader-vz1zy but that doesnt justify you compiling other isekai authors into this "lazy writer" banner, like world's greatest assassin for example, it might not have been shown in the manga/anime but the development of the girls around the mc didnt just happened in a snap but a build up throughout the entire season 1 and how long do you want the relationship between the hero and damsel in distress to develop for it to be valid? cuz as far i know the relationship between naofumi and raptalia didnt just also just happened in a snap or sped up because of slave sht, it started from dependance>trust>admiration and then love

@dcry1003

5 ай бұрын

@@Mader-vz1zy oh and the damsel in destress trope is literally about the hero saving the princess and she falls inlove with him with no development what so ever so i dont know what you mean by development when the core of that trope is what you also hate.... so i dont get it┐(￣ヘ￣)┌

@Mader-vz1zy

5 ай бұрын

@dcry1003 a trope is not bad writing. Bad writing is bad writing. When used correctly, the slave trope can be interesting and good, but often, tropes just used without understanding them or as a shortcut shows the bad writing. So bad writers often use the slave trope to start the relationship as fast as possible, which leads to a lacklustre experience and since a lot of isekai story's are mediocre at best, the execution of the trope often isn't that good.

I love the style of this video, it’s very fun

I've been wanting some new Anime to watch. Thanks for the recommendations. 😊

you know what we need? an ex-slave protagonists, cus one between an generic everyman otaku and someone who died in slavery who do you think the gods are more likely to go ""ya that was bullshit you deserve a second go around" and two have the scene where the isekai protag normally buys the slave except they fly into a rage, beat the slaver with a rock, and spend the rest of the series as outlaws with their gang of ex-slaves

@benjaminthibieroz4155

5 ай бұрын

Or an ex-slave that got reincarnated into powerful nobility and get his previous memories back in his teenage years. Now have to use his position to put an end to it while be surrounded by people (including siblings and closed one) who see it as perfectly acceptable and having to come to term with it, to the risk of alienating both sides.

@FerWasTaken

5 ай бұрын

there's a pretty recent non-isekai anime called Redo Of Healer which features an ex-slave protagonist

@seelcudoom1

5 ай бұрын

@@FerWasTakenhe also does slavery and is a rapist

@neoqwerty

5 ай бұрын

@@FerWasTaken isn't that the revenge mindbreak fantasy one?

@user-sm1bi5ix6l

5 ай бұрын

@@neoqwerty yes.

4:59 BEING MORALLY CONFLICTED ABOUT SLAVERY DOES NOT MAKE ONE A GOOD PERSON

@soujemn5

5 ай бұрын

Neither does moral grand standing on a topic you're only willing to accept strawman arguments about.

@JulianDanzerHAL9001

5 ай бұрын

@@soujemn5 then what precisely is your argument for slavery? and if they are so good, why don't you become my slave?

@hussiebot

5 ай бұрын

@@soujemn5strawman arguments… about slavery?

@soujemn5

5 ай бұрын

@@hussiebot yes. As in needing the argument to be framed as "slavery bad, mmkay" because you're emotionally incapable of addressing the idea of what it actually means to be a slave.

@ambysta7602

5 ай бұрын

@@soujemn5 Is it morally grandstanding to say "slavery is bad"?

this video was made with style, I enjoyed every second

You got me in the first 25 seconds, instant sub, probably gonna binge watch your entire channel now

Whenever slavery or mind control is depicted positively in anime and Isekai, I just flip it off.

@mrluthfians01

5 ай бұрын

yuh, even when i read the ln/wn whenever slavery came along i immediately drop it

It'd be refreshing to see one with an antihero or even villain protagonist, where zero excuses are made for reprehensible behavior like buying slaves. Reasons he may do it: 1) He's desperate for survival, and believes that any action he takes to improve his standing in a dangerous fantasy world is justified. Basically a coward. 2) He believes the entire fantasy world is a hallucination or dream, and acts like a complete psychopath because he doesn't regard anyone around him as real. 3) He acts like a psychopath because he is one. Etc. But basically portraying slavery as an unambiguously reprehensible thing that we should negatively judge our protagonist for engaging in.

@carrot708

5 ай бұрын

Harem in the Labrynth of Another World

@77Night77Shade77

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, but the problem is, if he's the protagonist and there's anything even slightly positive or even just "cool" about him, moronic anime fans will find a way to defend him.

@B463L

5 ай бұрын

@@77Night77Shade77 if you're asking interesting moral questions you should be getting diverse responses... even wrong ones.

@Drawperfectcircles

5 ай бұрын

@@carrot708yes this is what you’re asking for

@gamerstheater1187

5 ай бұрын

Or better: he pretends to be part of a slave-owning aristocracy and secretly frees slaves and pays them wages

Thank you for mentioning Now and Then Here and There, its such an underrated anime

that final clip is exactly how i feel about this video.

Every time I hear about “good slave owners” I think of this quote my brother said “Slavery is bad and no matter how you treat them you're still a bad person just for the fact of owning them just like no matter your reasoning for fighting for the rebs you're still bad for supporting the institution of slavery”

@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman

5 ай бұрын

Here's another "Opinions aren't facts "

@zhoupact8567

5 ай бұрын

You are not good or bad based on one aspect of who you are or how you live. Tell me mister. Do you and your brother support slavery. No I am not asking if you spit out words and exclaim to the sky "Oh my god, slavery is so terrible!" I am asking, are you actually supporting slavery economically though the way you spend your money? For example. We have not actually ended slavery if you have no noticed. Instead we have moved it to other places. So companies of many kinds, for example get their clothes, shoes electronic parts made though slavery in one form or another. Do parts of the material used to make your phone or computer come from people forced to work mines in Africa? And when you bought your device, did your money trickle down the line putting just that tiny little bit more pressure to keep those workers sweating? Basically my point is, you probably have contributed and paid, for something that some slave had to make. You have likely indirectly done slavery yourself. So, mister Saintdude. If doing slavery makes you bad, do that mean that you and your brother are bad. Sure you do not own the slaves yourself. However where did the lines go again? (I am not like, trying to stab at you. My goal is only to try to bring up a point and like, perhaps have you consider a slightly unexplored and possibly unpleasant perspective on things. To check what ground we ourselves stand on.)

@saintdude6032

5 ай бұрын

​ @zhoupact8567 1. Yeah, you are a bad person if you own slaves; you still own someone against their will, so don't try saying it isn't. 3. Yeah, it's fucked up that most of our items today are still being made by slave labor, and I'm against it, and I'm using second-hand items to make sure I don't give companies more money. Just because I'm opposed to this doesn't mean I don't oppose it if it benefits me. I still oppose it I'm not saying I'm an good person cause I do so. 3. Just a tip: if you want to give someone a new perspective, try not to sound like ya on ya high horse. Cause from the way ya type makes it sound like ya holier than thee.

@zhoupact8567

5 ай бұрын

@@saintdude6032 Yea I could have put it better. My intention was to be confrontational and stab a bit. However I feel its kind of hard to convey things fully in text. Obviously there is no horse to be high on, for the things I am poking at is the same things I am knee deep in myself. I tried to clarify it at the end because I worried it was going to seem that way, however clearly it was not a good enough attempt. I do believe that making the point sting a bit is a good thing, as facing the unpleasant reality of these things is not something that comes natural to most people from what I can see. At least for me I had to get the point stabbed in under my scales so to say before I began to consider the reality of it. Its impressive to hear you try to use second hand stuff and probably look a fair bit into how most things you buy came to be available for you when you have to do so. Its something that would require a fair bit of time and effort. You likely have to admit however, the chance of the person I am speaking to to be like you when commenting on a somewhat random comment, is very, very low. I am a bit curious if how you go about it. So if you do not mind me asking. Do you collect free stuff that people you know no longer wants. Old laptops or whatever. Separately what is the price you would think worth it for you to simply not have these things instead. For my computer is truly precious to me. It would take a lot for me to give up on it. I really doubt I would be willing even if someone came to me and said they would end slavery for like 100 people if I sent my computer to be recycled. Similar to how I would have to struggle if I am about to buy a burger and someone came up to me and said they would feed a child in x for a week if I give up on the burger and give them the money instead.

@giantpinkcat

4 ай бұрын

​@@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman "Slavery is bad." "We'll that's just *your* opinion! Gotcha!"

There's a John Brown Isekai. It's all about freeing slaves.

@dariendude17

6 ай бұрын

You mean the one fanfiction called His Soul is Marching On to Another World; or, the John Brown Isekai?

@matthewschultz7390

6 ай бұрын

@@dariendude17 Yes.

@ttubebaby

5 ай бұрын

Someone needs to make a webcomic out of it so it can be adapted to a manga so it can be adapted to an anime so it can be adapted to a Netflix live action.

@otimo144

5 ай бұрын

@@dariendude17 WTF This looks amazing! XD I want this as a manga now!

6:04 In this moment an add shows up it was Kafka saying "Not done yet?"

As a Korean kid I gotta say 'the whip is love' or '사랑의 매' is sth we heard a lot while we were growing up. Public school teachers were allowed to give 'disciplinary actions' with beatings & would carry around wooden sticks of all types (as we grew older the sticks became baseball bats lol) until early 2010s. To me it was kinda comical bc it's what would the teachers tell us. I'm seeing a lot of ppl getting seriously cringe from that, but us 90s-born East Asian kids it's not so much a foreign concept. I heard it was way, WAY worse back in the day. I'm not a proponent of the old ways and definitely glad it's almost over now, but just trying to give an old Asian perspective- maybe the writer thought it'd be funny too

“Because he fears that he’s putting the country on the brink of a civil war” Ulysses! Get the musket! The smoothbore musket! Aaaaaaaaa-way down south on the land of traitors, rattlesnakes and alligators!…..

@DarkAdonisVyers

5 ай бұрын

House Hlaalu then: tries to abolish slavery. House Hlaalu now: Suffering the Windhelm slums. They're probably not welcome in Morrowind anymore. Sounds like they got what they deserved.

@GameFuMaster

5 ай бұрын

Because it puts the country on a civil war, which puts the whole country at risk of invasion by another country. Seriously, this is why people whose only personality is to criticize other people shouldn't get into writing

@Writingthisat3am

5 ай бұрын

Right away, come away, right away, come away. Where cotton's king and men are chattels, Union boys will win the battles, Right away, come away, right away, come away!…

@Double_D__

5 ай бұрын

We'll all go down to Dixie! Away! Away! Each Dixie boy muse understand that he must mind his Uncle Sam! Away! Away! We'll all go down to Dixie! Away! Away! We'll all go down to Dixie! ​@@Writingthisat3am

@isabelbarker3569

5 ай бұрын

Oh, we'll all go down to dixie! Away! Away! Each Dixie boy must understand that he must mind his uncle sam! Away! Away! We'll all go down to dixie! Away! Away! We'll all go down to dixie!

I'm writing a story that includes slavery. It goes a lot deeper than most stories, especially since mc (Sarah) is enslaved and only freed to take advantage of a legal loophole, by a Monarch who she's still required to obey anyway because authoritarian monarchy and blood oaths. Most characters are slaves.

@leredmanthemasterplan

6 ай бұрын

congrats on writing a story so any progress on that story? and where can i find that story?

@jimothyworldbuilding3664

6 ай бұрын

@@leredmanthemasterplan I currently make videos about the world that story exists within. The manuscripts are currently private and only available to people I trust until I've written a complete first book. The other mc, Brija, was born into slavery, and has certain abilities (shoots fire out of her body). She's fully brainwashed, and has been being trained for use as a slave-soldier so that she can fight for the Monarch.

@leredmanthemasterplan

6 ай бұрын

@@jimothyworldbuilding3664 great

@Chocolate1.0

6 ай бұрын

Good luck with the project!

@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman

5 ай бұрын

Nice​@@jimothyworldbuilding3664

Great work, both in editing and writing ! Usually I watch a few videos of a creator before subscribing, here it’s instant sub

If I got isekai'd to a slavery world I just, wouldn't get slaves. Like dude, just fucking don't. You don't have to fight the entire world to end slavery but at the very least don't participate.

@breadjustbread6628

3 ай бұрын

I would get a slave lmao

@LecherousLizard

3 ай бұрын

It's called passive compliance. Congratulations, you just became a part of the problem.

@taylanerdem5590

3 ай бұрын

​@@LecherousLizardtbf in most Isekai i saw on KZread protagonist doesn't seem to be powerful enough to fight a whole kingdom to stop slavery and too stupid for the logistics that would come from it

@LecherousLizard

3 ай бұрын

@@taylanerdem5590 Well, obviously. Even if you are near omnipotent, you still aren't going to change how people behave and you can't have an eye on everybody all the time. Most of the truly OP MCs are from semi-comedic isekais, so that's another "problem". It's not meant to be super serious, but as we know, some people get... a bit too passionate about things they should be aware are fictional and not meant to be taken at face value. As for the logistics, Shield Hero actually makes a point about it. He became a bit too eager at freeing Raphtalia's friends and soon they became a hot commodity. Even if he has sway in Melromarc, it's not going to suddenly disappear. For one slaves act as labour force, so the supply chain would have severe problems. Secondly... what do you even do with the freed slaves? If you just free them, you'll end up with a good ol' 1350 and entire slums in every city. So you have to put a lot of money into educating and setting up people who, likely, spent most of their lives in slavery if not outright were born in it. Zero consideration from people like that and all they can bark back is "The author shouldn't put slavery in the story in the first place!". Well, duh, but the author wanted to. I don't go around preaching on some furry subreddit that gay furry inflation porn including cubs shouldn't exist (it shouldn't though) and that's something infinitely more vile than any depiction of slavery in anime I've seen. TL;DR I agree with your point.

@regretgames5580

3 ай бұрын

@@LecherousLizard Maybe so, but you'd much rather follow the guy who knows he could probably solve all his problems by getting a slave but chooses not to than the guy who swears he treats his slaves well.

One problem with a lot of isekai is that protag-kin is always so ridiculously overpowered that he can effortlessly free all the slaves because nobody in the world could defeat him. What if there was an isekai where protag-kun had no power. No special cheat skills or demon king lineage making him basically God. He's just a powerless jackoff who's forced to see the harsh reality of slavery but unable to do anything about it in any way. He sees some noble beating or r**ing their slaves and he can't intervene without unavoidable repercussions. He buys a slave from a market to free her but she gets captured and executed to make an example for other slaves vying for freedom. And protag-kun tries to get justice for her but the executors just pay him for the amount she was worth because slaves are property that can be compensated for monetary value and since protag-kun is powerless he can't get any real justice for her death. And since slavery is so culturally accepted in their world he can't use talk-no-jutsu to change anything. Forget all the "I'm in love with kind protag-kun" bullshit. An isekai where the cruelty of slavery is not only acknowledged but is shown to be an institutional problem that only radical action by large dissenting group can abolish (rather then a single overpowered individual) would be a much more interesting plot then all the "you're a kind slaveowner so I love you" bullshit that's been making the circuits.

@77Night77Shade77

5 ай бұрын

I'd be satisfied with a single overpowered individual just being openly _against_ it for once, but we don't even get that. Let that sink in. Even just conceding that little is "too much".

@Thegr8MC

5 ай бұрын

@@77Night77Shade77 IKR? Even the few times when protag-kun opposes slavery, it always takes the "I'm nice to my slaves so it's not so bad" route while all the other slaveowners are a bunch of ugly faced rapists who are purposefully designed to make the audience hate them. Even though we know they only exist to make protag-kun look better by comparison. It's just such lazy writing.

@soujemn5

5 ай бұрын

then write the story and join the rest of the clones of that plot that were simply "too interesting" to be adapted to a manga

@belias360

5 ай бұрын

That could be something, but you still then engage in fridging a female character in order to encourage the male protagonist to do something about that issue, and that comes with its own problems.

@Parasolhyena

5 ай бұрын

@@soujemn5 I mean shows what you know, there are quite a few like that but most of them have female protagonists and appeal to a female market. I mean spoilers but So I'm a Spider, So What: I mean that's Razu-Razu's whole arc and character is that too a tee, except eventually he does get power, not enough to save everyone though so he teams up with people who are trying to do just that. Freeing slaves is a whole thing with there "evil" organization. Similar to the main protagonist, Sure she gets powerful later but she starts as a pathetic nobody who can only scrape by in the first book/ chapters and episodes. Though in her case it was the spiders/mother trying to enslave her, not humans.

I love how you have redo of healer in some pictures like this is just a perfect example for such and hen- I mean Anime

can't believe you didn't mention the John Brown isekai

In the "what about the good ones" part, another one you could have included was "Reincarnated as a Sword." An isekai where the main protagonist is, true to title, isakaied not as a hero, but as a sword, who happens across little black cat demihuman girl named Fran who is a slave and the first thing he does (well, second, first he saves her life from a rampaging bear that had killed the slave trader's other slaves) is free her from slavery, quite brutally I might add, and then from then on they show absolutely no mercy to any slave traders throughout the whole series. The only real 'problem' with this one is that, apart from the country of Raydoss (which in universe is pretty much accepted by all the others to be, to paraphrase a certain old jedi, 'a wretched hive of scum and villainy') slavery has actually already been made illegal everywhere else, and the slavers that Fran and Teacher (the sword) cut down are operating illegally and would have simply gone to the block or the gallows anyway had they been caught, so there's no real repercussions for our characters chopping down slavers like dead twigs, because as far as the countries' legal systems are concerned, slavers and bandits are one and the same and both have the right to die and that's it.

@tempestvenator9809

5 ай бұрын

Honestly, it's a nice twist. A fantasy setting that flat out rejects slavery, so the sword and Fran are basically upholding the law and delivering justice on the slavers.

@nevaehhamilton3493

4 ай бұрын

But unfortunately, "the good ones" are not the majority of isekai, so they're pretty much considered irrelevant and your argument null and void. We only gravitate towards the majority of the situation, so if surveys says there's more bad than good, we are supposed to assess it's all bad, no good. I rest my case.

@Healer0079a

4 ай бұрын

@@nevaehhamilton3493A bit close-minded and a bit too black and white but okay I guess..

FYI for y'all, "His Soul Is Marching On to Another World" on Royal Road, by The Cabbage Preacher is a thing. And it's fucking good.

Thanks for the recommendations!

The 'We'll be right back' had an ad right after

THANK YOU! I was starting to feel like I was the crazy one for calling out slavery in anime while everyone else seemed not to care. This was a really well done video!

@Sk89046

8 ай бұрын

Have you even seen the comments?

@Sk89046

8 ай бұрын

Have you even Read the comments?

@xX_DarkPriestessDemonDragon_Xx

6 ай бұрын

sounds like to me you shouldn't talk to/hang out with total freaks

@cristalido3640

6 ай бұрын

It's because this is fiction, no one genuinely believes that fantasy is good irl, but in a fantasy story? Yeah, sure, whatever... As long as it is entertaining (this only happens in isekai anime because those are self-insert fantasies and not serious narratives).

@Mr_Mistah

5 ай бұрын

Nobody cares because it's fictional fantasy. Seriously get a life.

Remember guys John Brown was isekai-ed to save all slaves from watanabe generico.

@baronbrummbar8691

3 ай бұрын

HIs Souls is Marching on

Awesome video!

Genjitsu literally had the girl and her father "enslaved" (both are even shown at 8:21), for freaking creating a civil war, the alternative was execution. Even the leader of the civi war was 'enslaved'. No clue why the enslavement of the guy was glossed over like that and only focussed on the girl. Guess to try to narrate some kind of point, but it's rather disgenuine at that stage. And overall, slavery gets used as a plot device.

I now want a isekai where it's basically john brown vs the slave trade.

@Supersurfer12

6 ай бұрын

Hell yeah, I want that too 👍

@nanominator.1893

6 ай бұрын

Ther is one call "His soul is marching to another world" but it a novel so...

@Aedlmonrl

6 ай бұрын

@@nanominator.1893 One day it will get big enough for someone to make manga or anime for, all we have to do is hope, and make it spread further than what we already do

@gamerstheater1187

6 ай бұрын

I once had this idea for a movie where John Brown enters this world and gathers weapons so that he and a bunch of ex-slaves plus anti-slavery warriors all band together to form their own nation to fight against slavery.

@dansmith16

5 ай бұрын

Too antisemitic