Problem is that Leopard 2 is a serial production machine, well proven in battles and tested by various militaries all over the world from Germany to Singapore. T-14 Armata on the other hand is a limited production run, essentially a prototype which has not been tested in any war (including the ongoing Ukraine war) and will probably not be in the next 20 years. Armata pretty much exists only on paper and in computer games, not in real life.

@frenchmaverick3742

2 жыл бұрын

it would only serve if russia is invaded

@jasonmalone155

2 жыл бұрын

We’ll said.

@brutal_slav4257

2 жыл бұрын

No serial production already started and it is of course tested but not combat proven. Which combat did the leopard 2a7+ actually see because I actually don’t know myself

@headhunter1945

2 жыл бұрын

@@brutal_slav4257 Not sure about the 7+ version, but for Leopard 2 in general there's Kosovo, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Syria... the 7 is just improvement on the principle

@brutal_slav4257

2 жыл бұрын

@@headhunter1945 so basically facing much more inferior tanks. Also 10 of them got destroyed by Isis, half of them by anti tank guns. I don’t need to tell you that they have very bad equipment

It all comes down to training. Well trained crews will always have the advantage. It takes a long time to train tank crews , they have to work as a team.

@I_am_Yarr

2 жыл бұрын

crew, command, reconnaissance, group interaction, logistics, communication, support that all matters. The soviet tanks at begining (for soviets) ww2 was better than Reich tanks but was vaporized by better comand tactics, comunications, air dominance in blitzkrieg. The chance Russia and Germany will wage war tends to zero. Even if Russia breaks american pet - Ukraine.

@BestCoachOnEarth

2 жыл бұрын

Training is not all, also tallent is important. Just imagine a good and a bad truck driver. Some have years of experience and they still suck.

@haldakcze420

2 жыл бұрын

In Israhell Merkava IV. it takes 4 years to make well trained survaiveable crew.

@goranbarisic2336

2 жыл бұрын

Of course. You don't give the best weapon of one army to go in battlefield without training or experience.

@tgg8267

2 жыл бұрын

Very true I know that from computer games even with medium tank I was able to be victorias most of the times due to skills and tactics.

In both cases, it's about the soldiers and how well they are trained.

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

Plus the effectiveness of a particular tank relies on the logistical capability of army operating it. As we've seen, the Russians fall down massively in this area. It's as if they don't really see it as a necessity.....which it probably isn't, until you become embroiled in full-on combat......

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh keep watching cnn

@Random_JapGuy

Жыл бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh you say logistics how Ukraine react when most of eastern from train tracks, road, and bridge already blow by both Ukraine and Russia

@milossegrt1575

Жыл бұрын

​@@willl7780Exactly. Critical thinking ability - not found.

T-14 is a prototype/testbed platform; there are no units currently in service. The few ones being paraded on the Red Square each year, are the only ones built so far.

Whatever one gets hit first is most likely out of commission, I believe the Armata was built primarily to include crew protection

@dougretter

2 жыл бұрын

Well, that is certainly a first, for Russia! 😆

@gustavmeyrink_2.0

2 жыл бұрын

I believe the Armata was built primarily to be cheap and it is still unobtanium.

@asskirk

2 жыл бұрын

It's main purpose is to steal money from military fundings

@jonathanbelanger6574

2 жыл бұрын

Well I'm back after two months or so ,now looks as if the T72 can be knocked out by using a child's Daisy BB gun by the looks of what's happening in Ukraine lol

@Bustermachine

2 жыл бұрын

@@gustavmeyrink_2.0 IIRC it's supposedly a simplified refresh of an already simplified test bed of an ambitious late soviet design.

I Like how the video begins by stating the chances these tanks would go head to head being extremely slim, yet it is happening now. How fast the conjuncture changes!

@rainerstahlberg2486

Жыл бұрын

good observation. everything we were told proves to be wrong. meaning we should change as well.

@riceburner6739

Жыл бұрын

a year ago, the t-14 was the super tank concept, recent russian performance and modern equipment have been disappointing. so nah, go with german engineering

@brozjoszip6401

Жыл бұрын

@@riceburner6739 it is not over yet. Time is a factor. Energy of Europe is a factor. Just wait, and see the end. It will be sad. Never underestimate Russia. Many times this mistake caused huge problems so far.

@riceburner6739

Жыл бұрын

@@brozjoszip6401 it is reckless to underestimate an enemy, however being too cautious could also be fatal. to find the balance between both would be crucial. but for the time being, the numbers arent on russia's favor

@loksterization

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, it's frightening. Next stop nuclear holocaust.

Soon, we are going to find out which one is better, aren't we?

@Danilla229

Жыл бұрын

tanks are not really designed to fight tanks. worst tanks enemy is artillery.

@skywalker791

Жыл бұрын

@@Danilla229 Wars are won by quantity not quality...by logistics and financial support... "this chocolate cake was made yesterday and has come over Atlantic..." dont you remember that movie about WW2 superior german panzers with fuel consumption problem while fighting weaker Shermans that have won the war

@Danilla229

Жыл бұрын

@@skywalker791totally true. althought it's rather quality and quantity combined. but quantity is crucial no doubts. quality alone only can win against pesants not an army.

@Valentin82.

Жыл бұрын

@@skywalker791 Шерманы выиграли войну? 😂А не Т-34? Посмотрим статистику, какая страна уничтожила больше Тигров и Пантер?

@szbkos19140728

Жыл бұрын

Well, a hundred+ Leopard 2 against zero Armata. My bet is on the Leopards. And yours?

A comment and comparison by a former officer in Sweden working with tanks said there is a reason why so many have the Leopard. It is like a Mercedes, and others are not. The Russian is still a pre-production tank with a lot of design iterations and improvements to follow.

@lokilakitak

2 ай бұрын

Yeah and I will tell you the reason. The reason is business. Money, money money. So I don’t want to destroy your nordic dreams about a German tank dancing under the aurora. On the other hand, we could saw leopard in action and I’m sorry, it’s not very good. You can’t save its reputation.

"Leopard 2 vs T-14 Armata - Which would win?". Easy answer: the one that actually exists (T-14 Armata is a prototypical concept, there are more unicorns in this world than T-14 units...)

@gustonzimasheen

2 жыл бұрын

Well said

@DasSnippo

2 жыл бұрын

Genau so sieht es aus!

@TonyMontana-vr8vv

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly very easy answer the leopard is not the youngest but it have a lot of updates and proof his skills one a lot battlefield. The t14 drives over the red place and when we remember us a the last parade not all of them finished the parade on their own. I think today the t14 is more a trailer queen

@desly194

2 жыл бұрын

😂

@williamzk9083

2 жыл бұрын

@@TonyMontana-vr8vv Armour on the Leopard has been contentiously updated with more advanced types (ceramic composite) and fire control, anti spall etc. Future upgrades are a 120mm higher pressure gun, possibly a 130mm gun, possibly nano ceramic Armour as used on the Puma, Active Armour. Germany (and Western Nations) put its effort in replacing its Infantry Fighting Vehicles and upgrading its tanks. There are some good ideas in Armata but those ideas are already in the Puma IFV (which has invincible Armour)

Leopard actually exists in significant numbers, so this is pretty easy to figure out. The Russians have some nice prototypes, but thats about it.

@charlieyerrell9146

2 жыл бұрын

The German army has been significantly weakend over the last fifteen years. Notably by Von Der leon when she was defense minister of Germany. It is not the military power house it once was. This is why they are now going to spend twenty billion euros on beefing up their forces..

@mitchrichards1532

2 жыл бұрын

@@charlieyerrell9146 That's true. The infrastructure, technology, manpower, etc. is all there. What has been lacking is the political will, but Russia has thankfully provided that. A resurgent Bundeswehr is just a few short years away.

@frosty6960

2 жыл бұрын

Watching this week of conflict. I realize i have overestimated the russian tech hugely. Shockingly shitty quality.

@mitchrichards1532

2 жыл бұрын

@@frosty6960 Seems that way, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Trying to put some context on it, the Russians built their army over the last 10 years...to fight a peer in a kinetic fight. Now they are mixing that with irregular warfare and having to work with significant civilian considerations. Historically, the Russians/Soviets send in their lower quality troops first in order to soften the enemy and define the oppositions strategy, strengths, weaknesses, etc. So I think their first rate formations are better than what we're seeing, but still below NATO quality. I think in a 1 on 1 fight similar size US formations would crush them.

@bigKARTOFFEL-

2 жыл бұрын

@@charlieyerrell9146 yes army is kinda broken, prolly not as broken as the ruski army tho that is embarassing itself in ukraine infront of the entire world xD

Now you can try to compare the T-14 Armata with the KF51 Panther ... that would be interesting ...

There are more in this than the specifications only. A trained crew, the use of ammunition in a combat situations and tactical movement are very important too. What is a tank worth, if the crew cannot handle it to perfection. Tanks are not just up against other tanks, but infantry with RPG's, airplane attacks, artillery attacks and mines etc. as well. The combination and mix of units (tank, infantry, air-support and artillery support etc. are important - relative to the specific battlefield / assignments and logistics etc.

@WackyJackyTracky

Жыл бұрын

But this is a tank comparison video. And the T14 has some technological advantages to the Leopard that not even the best crew can equalize. Leopard is helpless against ATGMs and has a very vulnerable spot as seen in Syria

@jimmynolet3752

Жыл бұрын

T14 looks extremely small and low profile this suggests Russia is gonna run the numbers and build these in mass like Sherman's or they have major armor they are gonna tack on to the tanks

@einundsiebenziger5488

Жыл бұрын

"There are more aspects*/variables* in this than specifications ..." or "There is* more in this than ..."

@einundsiebenziger5488

Жыл бұрын

@@WackyJackyTracky In Syria, the Turkish Leopards of the outdated A4 variant, showed their vulnerability in close-range inner-urban fighting against infantry, which is not what this variant was designed for. If we're talking long distance, head-to-head, tank-against-tank fight, as in this case, this is exactly the discipline in which Leo 2 and the Armata are supposed to shine in.

@WackyJackyTracky

Жыл бұрын

@@einundsiebenziger5488 No not all desastrous Lepard2 explosions were from inside the city, there where some longrange ATGM hits by Konkurs or TOW

"The likelihood of russian and germany tanks fighting in some future war in europe is extremely slim." Really? How slim exactly?

@effen_aey_man

2 жыл бұрын

3 months slim apparently

@donarmando916

2 жыл бұрын

Not all that slim as we see right now in Ukraine.

@michaelbrenner7301

2 жыл бұрын

Extremely slim to the extent that any two modern tanks won't face each other without combined arms support.

@jasonmalone155

2 жыл бұрын

Seems a bit more likely recently.

@johnhodgson8684

2 жыл бұрын

Depending on who will restock the Ukrainian army after the war . I suspect all will be vying for business and it makes sense to supply top speck weapons to rebuild an army .

What are the rubber flaps in front of the leopards hull used for?

Training, experience and professionalism of a tank crew is what would set things apart. A tank could be more technologically advanced, and have other superior features, but a well trained, experienced crew can "potentially" trump an opponent.

The tank with the best trained crew wins

@XXXXXXXXXO

2 жыл бұрын

Whose air force rules the skies should win.

@alastair9446

2 жыл бұрын

No, the tanks that has the best support to spot the other tanks first.

The most advenced version of the Leopard 2 is either the Leopdard 2A7V or the Leopard 2A7A1

@kajetus0688

2 жыл бұрын

we need tiger 3

@alex7741000

2 жыл бұрын

And we want Panther 3 and Mouse 2 .

@Ptolemy38

2 жыл бұрын

Still all leopards are slow. Best tank is t14. Light. Super fast. Auto loader. Best defense. And. Missiles available

@nagmashot

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ptolemy38 the T-14 is not light and has less power than the Leo2

@Ptolemy38

2 жыл бұрын

@@nagmashot is only. 37 tones. And horsepower reach 2000. 55 miles per hour. The Porsche. Tank call it

Ich war 4 Jahre Kommandant auf dem leopard 2 a4. Ein sehr wirkungsvoll Waffe seiner Zeit.

Tank battle scenarios a la Kursk are rare in modern combat. So even the T14 superiority in reach (with laser-guided rounds) and rate of fire due to automatic loading might favor it in a duel, that has limited practical relevance. isolated or unsupported tanks are easy and favorite targets and have short survival time in modern combat.. But other than this is a fair and useful comparison, e.g. if you need to buy tanks. Thank you.

@janjansen6443

Жыл бұрын

Russia is supporting their tanks, is not isolated. Nato on the other hand will be unsupported and quite isolated seeing they have lots of different types of wapens mixed in with there own older weapon systems, limited training unless they will use more nato troops than they currently are.

@adamabele785

Жыл бұрын

If Russia could buy the Leopard 2, the Abrams or Challenger, they would. But they can't. That is all that is needed to say.

Any tank is vulnerable. If you take the "motor" (the crew) out of the machine, it becomes only a piece of steel.

@tedmaxeffs

2 жыл бұрын

old warfare

Seeing as the leopard two actually is in service and the T14 appears to only be a prototype this question is stupid.

Ich meine so viel Info kann man nicht in ein 8min Video packen aber viele Sachen wurden vergessen. Der Leo hat eine Vollstabilisierte Kanone und eine Trefferquote von 99% bei voller Fahrt. Einmal anvisiert bist du dran. Flares/Smoke hat er ebenso. Und so einiges mehr. Den Schutz gegen Raketenwerfer hatten zum Beispiel die Leo´s am Hindukusch. Ebenso hat der Leo2 auch ein "Universelles Fahrgestell" wie der Leo1, denn die sind in der PH2000, Biber, etc wiederzufinden. Es gibt so viele Extras für den Leo, frei nach dem Motto: Kein Limit nach oben beim Preis. In der selben, wo man das Getriebe des T14 ausbaut, baut man beim Leo den ganzen Motor samt Getriebe aus. Man verzichtet sogar ganz bewusst auf den Autolader, denn eine eingespielte Crew ist weit schneller als irgendein Autolader. Ein Autolader kann ausfallen, den Crewmate musste schon umlegen dafür. Jeder Schuss ein Treffer, also komme ich auch mit wenig Munition aus. Bei knapp 12t Unterschied und fast gleicher Größe, frage ich mich wo der T-14 die 12t spart, wenn er ja mehr Technik UND Munition an Board hat........ . Ich wiederhole 12 TONNEN!!!! Die Hauptgründe sind alleine schon: Der Leo existiert zu tausenden auf der Welt und er funktioniert. Der T14 ist ein reines Prestigeobjekt was sich Russland nicht leisten kann. Und durch die Sanktionen nicht einmal in der Lage ist zu bauen. Dazu ist der Leo weitaus älter der "moderne" T-14. Viele Länder fürchten den Leopard beziehungsweise deutsche Panzer sind allgemein weltweit gefürchtet. Das im 1 Weltkrieg so, im 2 Weltkrieg, das ist heute so und wird vermutlich auch so bleiben.

@InvalidDriver

Жыл бұрын

Die gesamte militärische Ausrüstung kann Russland selbst bauen, das war es schon immer (Russland hat die Produktion von Chips, Wärmebildkameras und allem anderen, aber nur für militärische Zwecke). Das klingt nicht lächerlich, aber Sanktionen betreffen nur zivile Einrichtungen. Jetzt wird T-90MC in großen Mengen produziert, einfach weil es 4-mal billiger ist und die Anforderungen des Militärs vollständig deckt. Bezüglich des Gewichts: Der T-14-Turm wiegt deutlich weniger, er ist unbewohnt, die Frontprojektion ist auch kleiner.

It's impossible to win in a duel against a non-existing rival

@3hawer

Жыл бұрын

The T-14 Armata has long been tested and is already in service. For your information.

@thomasbaagaard

Жыл бұрын

@@3hawer then why is it not in use in Ukraine? How many exist? 20? The russians are dragging out old T62s from storage... why would they be doing that if they had any relevant number of T14s?

@Darkpara1

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasbaagaard they've got photos of one somewhere in Ukraine.... but it's probably hiding behind the line somewhere. They wouldn't want to risk their very limited supply.

With these new tanks, they are so similar that I think in a combat situation it would come down to; which crew is better and who see the other first.

@DjDime92

Жыл бұрын

like tank battles ever happen nowdays. It's artillery vs tank usually

@DjDime92

Жыл бұрын

since tank is a tool of charging, both sides taking offense simultaneously died like a century ago

"The chance of German and Russian tanks confronting eachother on European soil is extremely slim" -2023: Hold my beer

@glenarmy1

Жыл бұрын

The narrator needs a better crystal ball……and possibly timing hahahaha

Ein Panzer ist immer nur so gut wie seine Besatzung! Grüsse aus dem Leopardenland!

@moritzdurholt7702

2 жыл бұрын

Da ist jemand Weise

@ukharry02

2 жыл бұрын

Gilt auch für das Kochgeschirr, lol.

@m4nuz

2 жыл бұрын

Das beste Wort ist nur von Wert wenn es verstanden wird.

@jmjmjm05

2 жыл бұрын

So why Hitler becames your president?

@timholtermann9586

2 жыл бұрын

@@jmjmjm05 what does one have to do with the other?

Nice Video

@Grid88

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the visit

Leopard 2 - the crew is sober ...

As recent events have proven, it is not so much the specifications of your tank but the training of the crews that counts.

@robertmanfredthurrigl9424

2 жыл бұрын

The russian still have not gone away from their 3 crew concept! One of the reasons they had such staggeringly high losses in WWII was that a 4 men or even 5 men crew in german tanks depending on size always did better in engagements . i am amazed they have not let go of the 3 crew concept . Well, long may it continue because it means more dead russian tank crews on the battle field right now as we speak. May Putin shit hedgehogs soon and the Armata is untried and not tested . A case of a smokes screen and propaganda and premature ejaculation

@lglubbock7593

Жыл бұрын

@@robertmanfredthurrigl9424 you krauts still lost ww2 like ww1 and next one

@robertmanfredthurrigl9424

Жыл бұрын

@@lglubbock7593In WWI Russia signed for a peace. The Treaty of Brest-Litovsk was a separate peace treaty signed on 3 March 1918 between Russia and the Central Powers that ended Russia's participation in WWI . Russians are not doing so well right now are they . You make no sense. Germany is part of NATO and the enemy is Russia . ALL NATO members are supplying Ukraine so that Putins hordes are defeated on the battle field. This time WE are ALL in it together . Did that get lost on you? Lets hope it does not escalate . You are a bit one dim witted.

@Arie-Z

Жыл бұрын

@@robertmanfredthurrigl9424 lol u still deep throating that US propaganda Ukraine's getting murdered along with their shitty NATO equipment.

Leopard 2 was once tested by US Army and it outperformed the early XM-1. USA still decided to buy XM-1 (as M-1 Abrams) and improved it many times, but so has Leopard 2. If M-1 is often considered to be the best tank in the world, the Leopard-2 might even be better.

@OPShergottite

2 жыл бұрын

from what i read everywhere and which i hear in videos the newest Leopard 2 version (A7/A7+) is considered the best MBT in the world rn

@emdi8590

2 жыл бұрын

@@OPShergottite but it depends what do you expect from tank. Leopard, merkava, Abrams top 3...but Abrams have one big advantage. Abrams was tested in real war!

@robby543212000

2 жыл бұрын

@@OPShergottite Beside from those early tests in the 70ties Abrams and Leo 2 never fought each other in real combat ... so it's probably difficult to point a "winner". But more important in real combat which one has the better trained crew.

@kokomo9764

2 жыл бұрын

The Leaopard II is not better than the Abrams.

@kokomo9764

2 жыл бұрын

@@OPShergottite Read everywhere? Like where? Name a legitimate source.

At the 1:00 mark; that Leopard I is a Canadian Army tank, on display at the Royal Military College of Canada in Kingston, Ontario.

They haven’t been making this tank due to it being expensive even tho they still are producing them slowly but their t-90 tank is still very powerful and competes with every other tank

I drove the Leopard 1 in 1973 -74 43 Tank Bat , Aesk , for the Dutch army in Germany.

It’s hard to compare a tank in the active service with a prototype. Russian army initially ordered 2300 T14s and that was reduced to 100 test vehicles. They even failed to reach that goal. The core of the Russian Army is still T72.

@TheCaptainbeefylog

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sokerinenpumpulimies which the Leopard was designed to kill.

@tomaszdabkowski499

2 жыл бұрын

@Kimchii92 we all see what attacks Ukraine. Scrap metal.

@tomaszdabkowski499

2 жыл бұрын

@Kimchii92 modern tanks are only on the paper.Russian propaganda. They don’t even tell Russian citizens how many soldiers died or how much equipment is destroyed. They call it not war but intervention. Russia is poor as f**k.

@mrgently3449

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomaszdabkowski499 A: They admitted some casualties. Ukraine didn't tell anything about their own losses. B: Attacking is more dangerous and risky than defending.

@killjoy1887

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrgently3449 The Ukrainians don't mention their losses because A. Everyone knows they are going to be horrific and B. Anything less than 100% means the fight is still on they are up against the wall and they know it. Although looking at the opening salvos of the war the civilians may be a little safer now that they are being targeted given the number of hits they took when they were not.

Nowadays, they have almost the same weapons=equipment. The size of the tank is also important - that is, the target. But the most important thing is the training of the crew and their determination to fight for their homeland!

Trained in a Leo and now upgraded to 122 got second place 1999 in world championship and we kicked ass, my shooter took down a helli doing 200 km/h 3 km a Way. Still proud 2023.

@lokilakitak

2 ай бұрын

Very interesting. I can’t find any information about any tank championship in 1999 🤔 So I’m not sure but I need to warn you, PC games don’t count. On the other hand, they have tank biathlon in Russia every year and I haven’t seen leopard gaining points there. So what’s your excuse?

In war I have never seen the latest version of a Russian battle tank deployed. They only perform well on promotional material.

@tomitiustritus6672

2 жыл бұрын

Some T80 and T90 apparently deployed in Ukraine. At least i have seen the ukranian army showing them off as trophies. 'Terminator' light tanks were seen on trains near Ukraine, but not yet in Ukraine afaik. Maybe they want to use those for the cities. TOS-1 have been seen deploying into Ukraine, towards Kharkiv and Kyiv. At least one TOS-1 and one TOS-1 loading vehicle i have seen abandoned and possibly captured. PS: The russian armimg program since 2008 is introducing a wide range of new systems, but only in small numbers for the top units. Descending in unit hierarchy, the material gets older and older. The troops securing Moscow, Petersburg and Kaliningrad will be the ones with most of the new stuff. The ones they could expend to send into Ukraine mostly still use soviet era equipment. Rosgvardia units are probably not going to get their hands on an Armata in the next 20 years. That is, if Rosgvardia still exists in 20 years. Currently i don't make any predictions anymore.

@hansvanbrandwijk2803

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomitiustritus6672 And the (des)armata?

@tomitiustritus6672

2 жыл бұрын

@@hansvanbrandwijk2803 I have not seen any mention, picture or video of one. And at least according to Wikipedia, even the test batch isn't shipped to troops yet. The first batch should have shipped in 2022 when they are done with the testing, as of before the invasion and sanctions. So it's possible that they accelerate the program, given the new geopolitical situation and the impending rearmament campaigns in Europe. Or it could be that Russia can't even afford the first batch at that point, as rating agencies just rated Russia as "imminent sovereign defau!t", meaning Russia can't pay the interests on its state debts. It's really hard to say right now, as the predictions range from "HaHa, Russia doesn't care about your puny sanctions! Europe will collapse!" to "If this goes on for 3 months, Russias economy will be a potato field and a gas station.".

@hansvanbrandwijk2803

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomitiustritus6672 Thanks!

I don't think you can specifically say that one is significantly better. Both are equipped with the latest technology. The Leopard has more combat experience but is very expensive. In the end, it depends on the training of the soldiers and who sees whom first. It must also be said that the Leopard always performs very well in tests against other tanks.

@Finn-lh6yz

2 жыл бұрын

What actually happens when the automatic reloading fails. Technology is fragile and new. Can the Russian tank also be reloaded manually? In wars like Afghanistan, the whole thing is certainly good but what happens when the tank is fired at with real ammunition.

@user-du8vr3zb8g

2 жыл бұрын

@@Finn-lh6yz Перезарядить орудие в ручном режиме возможно. Это не новые технологии, это доработанные технологии конца 80х,начала 90х.Испытанные и обстрелянные на полигонах. Прототипом Т14 был танк Объект 292.

@zheckav

2 жыл бұрын

@@Finn-lh6yz Russian tanks have had automatic reloading for like 350 years now. New technology? Really?! Where have you been my friend)))

@KWCdiver

2 жыл бұрын

@@Finn-lh6yz It is possible to reload the gun in manual mode. These are not new technologies, these are refined technologies of the late 80s, early 90s, tested and fired on at training grounds. The prototype of the T14 was the Object 292 tank.

@dmitry5233

2 жыл бұрын

@@Finn-lh6yz russian tech may be crude but it never fails.

Looks like we are going to find out soon.

The crew training and experience are most important.

Armata's high profile will put it at a disadvantage presuming they finally build a few .

@tiagomonteiro130

2 жыл бұрын

With weapons like anti tank guided missiles it actually doesn't matter how big your tank is or how strong the armor it will be destroyed it all comes down to the training of the crew

Recent information suggests that either tank can be taken out from the air or on the ground. Without good combined arms capability tanks are just large expensive targets on the modern battle field.

@Bustermachine

2 жыл бұрын

That's been true since the battle of Flers though. Combined arms has always been part and parcel of tank doctrine.

@HellopeepsStavros

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely right. Blow a track off with a mine, dead in the water. or mud.

thanks

Leoprad 2: exists Armata: cartoon

Latest version is Leopard 2a7V*

My money is on the Leopard series, seen them when in the Canadian Army, such beautiful beasts

@WhiteWolf65

Жыл бұрын

Even if the Ukrainians don't get the 2A7's, they will have a tank that can turn the Russian tanks into scrap metal. The T-14 has to be on the battlefield to be considered, and as yet, it is nowhere to be seen.

What if automatik reloading in armata tank would crush or wouldnt be work correct?

@lokilakitak

2 ай бұрын

🥱 they use it in t90, t80…

I know this is silly, but having seen how horrendous Russia's attempt at building a decent car have been, it is hard for me to imagine them building a complex tank that did not have serious issues, particularly in the early stages of serial production.

the best part of armata is the platform, u can exchange a lot of parts. u can change a tank to another kind of tank fast. and there is a remote control

@arnograbner4741

2 жыл бұрын

LOL! First they have to BUILD some T-14!! Now with Russia going bancrupt FAST - they will not have the money and also not the tech!

@Darkpara1

Жыл бұрын

We all know that Russian technology is always working.

Obviously its the Leopard being the Armata is a prototype that isnt deployed

The range and Autoloader with the Armata gives it a clear edge.

Leopard 2 has been on the market for a long time and therefore the crew has many years of experience and knows exactly what it can do and how much it can be pushed. The T-14 is new and not many have used it in war or have experience with it. Experience and routines in pressure situations are very important to get the best out of the tank you operate

Leopard 2, no doubt about that !

@Cristiano-----

7 ай бұрын

nah i go for T14

1st step is to decide which army has the better training. I remember a interview from Desert Shield/ Storm back in the day with a US Army Tanker he stated "Our tankers where just alot better trained than theirs, you could give the Iraqi's our M1 Tanks and we could've used their T-72s and the results would've still been the same.

@Botulismustoxin

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe, but the Rheinmetall gun destroys the T72 in a distance far from the possibility a T72 could defend or counterattack your M1. In the first conflict I served in the German Army and they said the M1 destroys T72 tanks in the dessert with KE ammo in a distance about 3-4 KM.

@vonSchwartzwolfe

Жыл бұрын

Well looking at the videos of Russian armor units In the Ukraine, moving down roads and fields or coming under fire, they have not been trained at all on how to use basic armor tactics. I think the Iraqi's showed better use of tactics.

@virginijusjauckojis1265

Жыл бұрын

@@Botulismustoxin And.... do you believe it ?

@melgarezuniverse1217

Жыл бұрын

Ok the conclusion is..the t14 is better ..the su-57 is the best fighter jet...s-500 the best air defence system.....hypersonic missilery and icbm are the best...to that you say what?

@vonSchwartzwolfe

Жыл бұрын

@@melgarezuniverse1217 They are not being used very effectively.🤔 or the war would have been over in the 3 days Putin claimed it was going to happen the day before it started, 323 days ago.😁

My money is on the t-14. A single one is probably better in all aspects than the leopard, but having two of them for the price of one leopard... leaves the cat in the dust.

@bonito34

Жыл бұрын

Lol

Armata seems better but on the other hand its the skills and smartness of crew which make difference !

The Leopard 2 will win because the T-14 Armata hasn't left the factory.

Interesting video, but in general it is difficult to compare a purpose-built tank like the Leopard 2A7+ with a prototype like the T-14 Armata. For example one could either compare the Leopard 2A7+ with the currently deployed Russian tank, or the prototype of the planned T-14 Armata, with the planned and new tank Leopard 3 (Franco-German project), about which, however, almost no information is known.

@illyrian0695

Жыл бұрын

Wieso mit den Franzosen? Das kann Deutschland besser alleine ..!

@michaelmelzer4598

Жыл бұрын

@@illyrian0695 es ist ohnehin falsch, Franzose zu sein. Sprach einst der große Philosoph Al Bundy.

@renaudfilippi2599

Жыл бұрын

@@illyrian0695 Non les français ont des optroniques bien meilleurs. Et des chargeurs auto depuis des décennies. L idée est de faire la tourelle d un leclerc sur une caisse de leopard. le tout modernisé. Les allemands ont trop de retard dans ces domaines. Par contre pour les avion du futur la France n a pas besoin de l Allemagne. Les derniers Rafales sont justes exceptionnels. Un peu de modestie.

@dotabuff5288

Жыл бұрын

YOUR DAD IS A PROTOTYPE U IDIOT, ARMATA SHOWN HOW IT EASILY CRASHES UKRAINIAN TECHS ON BATTLEFIELD, WAKE UP FROM COMA MORAN

@_samtakoi_

Жыл бұрын

@@illyrian0695 Французы и Немцы имеют очень короткую память, они уже целовали сапоги Русского солдата в париже и берлине. На этот раз пожалеть вас не получится, после даже одной ракеты " сатана" которая имеет 10 головок по 10 килотонн, способна уничтожить 10 франций или 10 германий. История глупцов не учит, значит готовьтесь удобрять своими телами землю, может на месте евросоюза поселятся лет через ......, когда земля очистится, заселят более умные племена, чем старогерманцы, страдающие нацизмим.

T-14: why u think u better? Leopard: i am produced, i can drive T-14: "failed engine noises"

if the T-14 ever gets the 152 canon upgrade, it would have firepower advantage, i wonder how good the T-14 Armor is. also need to take in consideration DU ammo.

If the Abrams would kill it then the leopard would kill it even harder The leopard was made as an MBT killer.

@tiagomonteiro130

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget the European tank competition were the Leopard 2 beat the Abrams and got on place number 1 actually Poland and the Danes were on place number 2 and 3 also with older Leopard versions means the Leopard 2 got place number 1, 2 and 3

Which would win? Stupid question, it does not address the quality of the crew.

It doesnt always matter about a tanks engineering you should know it matters also about the crew as well how they are trained or equiped to tank on tank combat

@Grid88

Жыл бұрын

Crew training, number and cost also play decisive role.

That will be known when both will meet in duel.

Russia cannot mass-produce Armata. The prototype tank "Armata" broke down on Red Square in Moscow during the parade.

@alexanderholm9278

2 жыл бұрын

Not really, the driver didnt release the tanks version of a handbrake :P

@njnikusha

2 жыл бұрын

Russia is full of crap 😆

@butbutmybutt

2 жыл бұрын

everything has a beginning, but dont worry, thats not an issue anymore

@butbutmybutt

2 жыл бұрын

@So Woke ur very woke, thats why ur so smart

@ivanti7433

2 жыл бұрын

Fake

Forbes article - “Germany has only 236 tanks in its inventory as of 2022.” Many countries around the world have bought used Leopard 2

@hansdietrich1496

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Compared to more than 2000 in the end of the cold war, the 200 now are a joke. They should have stored them just like the Russians, and sold new ones instead.

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

Remember though, if the situation ever arose (a war) where Germany would need to deploy it's tanks, then over 30 other NATO member nations would also be deploying their military assets too.....

@bonito34

Жыл бұрын

312

in combat, the simpler, the more reliable, the better

Leopard 2 definately. It hold 3 important advantages 1. It actually exists 2. It actually works 3. It is developed by a country that can actually afford it

@infernalstormrider

Жыл бұрын

You got it right three times

@rasmustorkel9568

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. The Russians appear to be capable of issuing specifications for a tank better than the Leopard 2. Building it is another story.

@Peregrin3

Жыл бұрын

Wrong, Wrong and Wrong, the T-14 does exist, it does work and Germany's army is an absolute disaster, it can barely scrape up enough tanks that actually work to participate in war games let alone fight in an actual war, it's not a question of money but absolutely terrible management. this is widely recognized. Also, 100 tanks for Russia is a test batch, for Germany that would be one-third of their entire tank force. The total number of Leopards 2s in the German Army is 350 and out of that only about 50-100 are in actual working condition.

@torben777

Жыл бұрын

@@Peregrin3 I suggest you get back to us when the T14 is spotted in any kind of successful combat operation. As for the number of operational Leopard 2 tanks in Germany, it is true that Germany has a rather small army because they since WW2 has been careful to be a more peaceful nation, but they do now have around 320 leopard 2 in the new models A6 and A7. That would in itself be more than enough to outclass everything that Russia has been able to send to Ukraine, not to mention that countless other NATO countries have large numbers of Leopard 2 as well. So be careful what you wish for. If NATO goes all in on updating Ukrane from T72 to Leopard 2, Russia are done in Ukraine, and if they send their few T14 from the red square parades to Ukraine, it will not change the outcome one bit. It will just increase the embarrasment, which is probably why they are keeping them home.

@leme5639

Жыл бұрын

@@Peregrin3 ah yes, I've seen T-14 in my dreams, they must be real :))) gtfo

Since the T-14 is basically a experimental tank with little chance of serious production, I’d say the leopard 2. And even if it was produced with the Russian defense industry it will never live up to the hype.

@miriamweller812

2 жыл бұрын

Tanks are not really of much importance anymore - and will mainly get destroyed by airforce.

@a0flj0

2 жыл бұрын

@@miriamweller812 Tanks will indeed get destroyed by air force - if that air force exists and is trained and equipped to cope with ground-based air defences. As can be seen in Ukraine, air superiority alone is useless if there is no coordination between airplanes, tanks and infantry, and everything, airplanes, helicopters, tanks and infantry, both in armored vehicles and on foot, is vulnerable against a well prepared and well coordinated combined arms force.

@miriamweller812

2 жыл бұрын

@@a0flj0 Ukraine never got air superiority in the first place, so all you can see in Ukraine is how a Nazi army is worthless, no matter how much money you put into it. USA should have done it the same way as with Hitler. When they supported him on his rise and with his Blitzkrieg, it was almost whole germany who went with him. Ukraine was a bad choice to repeat it, because while one half is fine with racism and hating Russians up to the level of being pure Nazis, the other half does not like it up to the level of fighting it to their death. The militant coup in Ukraine was not comparable to the way Hitler was elected and seen as savior. The coup brutally weakened Ukraine, the directly following civil war even more and many young men just fled from the army, so all the USA got for their proxy war were the crazy Nazis and some other idiots, who were dumb enough to fall for the lie that they are not slaughtering their own people in the east. Overall, Ukraine is bad copy of what USA did with the 3. Reich = supporting Nazis to burn down Europe so it becomes east to loot for them. That's why all it does is burning down Ukraine and ruining it forever. Not that our west cares, afterall, Ukraine also got some resources and to rob Ukraine and enslave its people is fine, too for our fascists. Of course they really, really, really wanted to have Russia, too, more than anything else.

Leopard 2 is battle tested with advanced training techniques firmly established...

@LootGoblin4510

2 жыл бұрын

My money is on the Leopard.. But I do like the ability of the Armata to fire a 5km range missile.. maybe Leopard 3 might have similar and maybe some thought into moving the crew to a hull down position as well, with an autoloading turret.. but if you have jams or misfires... that could be interesting, also maybe why the West as a whole hasn't..

@AlexanderSmith764

2 жыл бұрын

But t14 is a true next generation tank

@Tyr002

2 жыл бұрын

@@AlexanderSmith764 The T-14 is not built! That will have its reasons ;-)

@Biboran.

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tyr002 Read the news of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in January, on the 24th, a large number of tanks are expected to arrive, there will be 374 units in total

@Tyr002

2 жыл бұрын

@@Biboran. In Russia is always "a lot" expected! Let's wait for the confirmation ;-)

I think it depends on the person operating the tank, and whose tank gets hit first

I laughed at the opening statement

I think the worlds powers should have a live war game to test their latest weapons on each other without having a world war; they could call it The Hell Day Competition. The teams that volunteer for this Hell Day Competition if they win (survive) they get to share the purse say 75 million USD. That way they can judge who has the best equipment.

@Blazeor2

2 жыл бұрын

And who is so stupid to let people/soldiers die for a game?

@vadereabsquenomen793

2 жыл бұрын

@@Blazeor2 Well, we're talking about politicians here...

It would seem that tank on tank combat is fast becoming a non issue these days. Without proper support, tanks are very vulnerable to lethal hand held anti tank weapons.

@headhunter1945

2 жыл бұрын

It's never been the primary issue, so people keep saying it's going away, but it's not. They just think it used to be more important than it ever really was. However, it still is an important issue - what happens when an area is important enough that two forces want their tanks there? PS, even the Germans in WW2 knew about the strengths and more importantly weaknesses of tanks, as they wrote "attacks against tanks with close combat weapons by a sufficiently determined man will basically always succeed." Of course, their anti-tank weapons had enough punch to even take out a Tiger II from the front, which can hardly be said for most if not all of the allied AT weapons, but still.

@johnnyhollis9977

2 жыл бұрын

@@headhunter1945 Good points! A quick story from WW2. My father was in the Heavy British Royal Artillery and was using a 7.2 Howitzer during the Battle of the Bulge. He was on one side of a valley and had his gun ranged on the other side. They were ordered to let go at anything that appeared over the crest! At some point a rumbling was detected as three German tanks appeared. With a round already loaded the gun was fired and you could say it was a lucky shot but the shell had a direct hit on the centre tank which disintegrated. A 7.2 shell was effectively a 6 inch navel cruiser armament so that was one very unlucky Panzer crew.

@headhunter1945

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnnyhollis9977 haha, that is fantastic. I was meaning the hand held AT weapons, but if it works it works 😁

On the paper the Armata has impressive stats. Your comparison highlights a few weaknesses with the Leo2 in comparison, especially the cost. I believe crew training, intelligence, skill, and discipline will make the main difference in a battle. This and how fast they can be deployed including construction, and training. Currently it looks like the Leo2 will mostly face older models as opponents. Here sufficient numbers and coordination also with other weapons will make the difference.

@aluimmumitat

Жыл бұрын

I think Russia has to prove that they are able to build a working prototype. The t14 was testet in Syria. We don’t know the test result but after the tests Russia canceled its order.

@jamesglass4842

Жыл бұрын

Considering that Russia is massing possibly 600’000 troops with T80s, T90s and the T14 with overwhelming artillery with their obviously armoured infantry and engineers and air assets. Who do you think is going to be the old steam roller?. 14 Challenger 2s..one Sqn worth, the Leopard2A6 from Germany the same amount, U.S M1A2s won’t arrive till the late summer when this will be nearly all over, as for what Poland is sending the original Leopard 2 with also their what looks like their own versions of what are based on older Russian kit? Are British-and German crews going to crew the Tanks?. It takes a ew months to learn everything about the D&M, Gunnery, radios, let alone to command and to really know how to maintain a work with each wagon. So we have the spares, the fuel and POL, Ammo..main armaments and machine guns ammo, Tanks, infantry, engineers, artillery work in Battle groups together. And this takes time. I can see who is going to in this and it was those who lifted and flew the Red Banner in Berlin. Looks like March for the big push.

@harri9885

Жыл бұрын

@@aluimmumitat The T-14 has yet to go through a peaceful parade on its own power. Only Russian logic would put something like that in battle. But then again, more meat for the grinder. How can the Russian people stand up for this crap? Durak!

@firstclaw1

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesglass4842 I also believe Russia will make a push before the modern tanks are fielded. I doubt Ukraine will be able to deploy a sufficient number of the modern tanks including skilled men and material. Probably not early enough to prepare against the early push. If Ukraine can withstand that, they will have a chance to push back. I believe this war may take longer. So far Ukraine has been defending admirably.

@worst-casescenario6873

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesglass4842 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡

The odds on the first statement have shortened somewhat.

Make the germany big again 😉😉. Greetings to germany from albania

@maxiona714

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, we will.👍 And I have good news for you as well: You can have Kosovo, and there will be a new peacekeeping alliance in the balkans, with all ex-yugoslavian nations, Albania, Bulgaria, the EU and Germany.

@igormerdzanovski7465

2 жыл бұрын

Shut up shiptar...

@besnikillyrian8520

2 жыл бұрын

@@igormerdzanovski7465 🖕🖕🖕😅

Judging by the Russian tank crews getting flanked and abandoning wagons in Ukraine, a good crew would beat a T14 using a Volvo 740😂

@mra4486

2 жыл бұрын

T-14 wasn’t used but still Russia is as far from Kyiv as I am from my neighbors house.

@headhunter1945

2 жыл бұрын

@@mra4486 That is simply because that is how far their border is from Kyiv.

@marians7649

2 жыл бұрын

Well said

@CommunismiEstCacas

2 жыл бұрын

Judging by how weak and effeminate Westerns became Russia and China will rule the world pretty soon.

@sabersaber3059

2 жыл бұрын

Yes dreaming is good just by looking you get that wow . So smart

Your opening line about German and Russian tanks meeting on the battlefield.....Um I bet you could go back in time on that one haha

Where is this information coming from about the T-14? How do you know this? I can come up with a bunch of bull too ..

If one compares the actual footage of both one cannot deny the T-14 drives and fires very unstable. It shakes and tilts in all directions. The Leopard on the other hand drives like an ATV and when firing looks like being mounted on a concrete floor. Specs do not tell the entire tale: the footage shows T-14 Armata has one advantage. It can run away from certain death when it runs into a Leopard or an Abrams.

@markusweissenbock6337

2 жыл бұрын

Who would trust an Russian motor more than a German? I'd say, the most modern Leopard 2 versions would easily pull out more than 2000 HP in compat mode, maybe even more. While Russia has to run their engines pretty hot.

@glennjanot8128

2 жыл бұрын

The shakes and tilts aren't that disruptive when the cannon has a gyroscope system that keeps it on target. You can see that when a tank drives over bumps and the barrel moves up and down

@lglubbock7593

Жыл бұрын

ruskie tanks ran into berlin hurts dont it

Leopard is a Beast ^^

Леопард 2/7существует в количестве 10 штук, а предыдущие версии этого танка - по боеспособностям на уровне т-72, т-90. Так, что за Арматой будушее!

Well who knows maybe here in a couple weeks we’ll find out in the real world.

That opening statement was proven wrong lol

@Blazerri

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, laughed a bit

When the T-14 really gets in use Germany will provide the Leopard 3 beforehand ^^

💪 Το Τ-14 είναι το καλύτερο Άρμα σήμερα!!!

6:56 pretty much sums up the entire video

Not fair comparison, T 90S vs Leopard 2.

@RainlineX

2 жыл бұрын

T-90M

The difference is, the Leopard is actually existing

With the ban of electronic hardware/chips, the armata wont see any production lines in the near future. Its quite clear, that both tanks wont miss a shot on each other, so in my opinion, the one tank, who shoots first, wins. Although i think, that the leaopard might have a better crew survivability, but who knows. If you want to compare tanks, compare mass produced tanks which are in use 10+ Years, or compare prototype tanks to each other, but mixing it, makes no sense.

I am missing the information, that the main weapon is fully stabilized at Leopard 2, that means, you can lock your target with laser, set the weapon on the target and you are able to destroy your locked target when you are driving 70 km/h to uneven terrain. And you can release for emergency use 2 additional gears and additional horsepower to speedup to 90 km/h. This shortens the lifecycle of engine and gearbox but in war, that doesn't matter. Autoloader is crap, a good gunner crew of Leopard is loading faster and can switch between different kind of munition at every loading process. The Abrams tank uses nearby the same main weapon and at Iraq war, no russian tank has a chance to win a fight against an Abrams tank. Putin reacts as Adolf Hitler, is dreaming on "Wunderwaffen" but the Ukraine War shows, the russian Armi isn't so strong as Putin thinks. But for all (russians and ukrainians) we hope, the war ends fast, not to waste more blood and lifes for Putins stupid war.

@niklasd2131

2 жыл бұрын

That is not really correct. Germany under Hitler had many Wunderwaffen. Most of todays weapons based on Nazi stuff. Don't be foolish about that, Nazis was ahead of time. Problem was most technology couldn't be produced at that time in big numbers.....

It's not hard - in the long run the Leopard 2 wins. Why? Well, first of all they gotta build some T-14s. Maybe the T-14 will be better for the first 5 years, but then the maintenance of the Leopard 2 will be so much better. Also the training of the crew is better. Finally, when and if some T-14s are built they might be up against the Leopard 3.

@brutal_slav4257

2 жыл бұрын

Okay internet military expert. The maintenance of the Russian tanks are way cheaper and the engine of the tank can be replaced within 30 min in battle as he explained in the video. Serial production already started and the tank 2x cheaper

@alpearson9158

Жыл бұрын

@@brutal_slav4257 uh not without western electronics appaRENTLY

Just curious - why use 88 in your handle?

@Grid88

Жыл бұрын

The short answer is that it's just a random number.

A non existing tank can’t be a threat

No matter how cool a tank is, skill always decides

To people commenting on Leopard's cannon size: it was cold when it was filmed, alright? It's how they use it, what's really important.

Very funny video. How it is possible to compare the real state of the art among of the Main Battle Tank with something which is not exist? If the author looking for the future scenario, I would like to propose to create a video which compares the Leopard 2 and The All Terrain Armored Transport (AT-AT - a four-legged combat walker of the All-terrain vehicle line used by the ground forces of the Galactic Republic, Galactic Empire, Star Wars)

do they come in Electric?? quite a Carbon footprint for C02 emission reduction in UN/WEF Net 0 2030-2050

In terms of comparable units produced by a nation that can be compared I believe we can see a nations capabilities via their commercial goods. Remember, commercial factories are what is converted into military production so the innate production capability of the commercial factories is what is carried across. I am yet to see a higher tech, more reliable, more durable and more capable Russian car or plane etc compared to their western counterpart. Therefore, when all is compared in War, I know what products and goods I will rather be using or on the side of.

@sonnyshaw3962

2 жыл бұрын

The T-72's didn't hold up well against the M1's In Desert Storm; which forced the Russians to rethink their tank designs. The Iraqi's are now buying the Russian T-90's, I hope there better than the T-72's.