Since I work there, I can can tell you all... that they are literally sitting on the center part of a roundabout.

@franzjosefstakes

2 жыл бұрын

I could see that roundabout from the window when I stayed at Leica's hotel for a night. Barely any cars came by (it was a saturday).

@EstelonAgarwaen

Жыл бұрын

@@franzjosefstakes when i went to the fantasy library earlier this week, i went through that roundabout. Some dickhead didnt use their blinker, making me confused while entering it!

I've been using Leica cameras since 1968. They are, and always have been, the finest built cameras. Imagine using the same body and lens (M4/50/2) for 54 years and knowing it will probably keep going for another 54 years. That was the best month's salary I ever invested in myself.

@kirkh666joejoe

Жыл бұрын

i need to put down 4 months of salary for a body and 1 lens! working as engineer...proportions are not the same since 1968 :(

This comment feed is actually quite positive - but so many Leica posts are filled with negative comments from those who've never shot with one. Everyone is individual...I've shot with Nikons, Sony and Fuji and I'm now lucky enough to be able to shoot with Leicas. Are the pictures 'better'? No - it's down to the photographer. HOWEVER - do I WANT to shoot more with the Leicas - absolutely. And ultimately shooting more makes me a better photographer. Why do I shoot more with a Leica? This is where it gets to personal preferences. Personally I appreciate a beautifully built, tactile object. And that makes me want to grab it and take it everywhere I go 'just in case'. Can I do that with any camera - sure - but the feeling isn't anywhere as strong - I certainly never grabbed my Nikon D750 like I do with my M10P or Q. One feels like shooting a computer. One feels (to me) like shooting a camera. I enjoy the PROCESS of shooting SO much more with the Leicas. I purchased a Fuji XT30 for my son - our first Fuji - after he'd borrowed my Leica Q on holiday. He didn't take to it. Yes it's an awesome camera - but a million options - complicated menus. He just got fed up with menus, configurations, options etc. For some it's awesome, just not for him. So many comments compare the functionality of Sony, Canon etc to Leica and can't understand why you'd pay so much more for 'less'. Autofocus / burst rates / scene modes / video res etc etc. A basic Casio watch will have 100 more functions than a Rolex. I know which one I'd prefer. Functionality isn't everything. Do you criticise someone with a Rolex/Breitling/Tag/etc watch - call them idiots for spending so much when an Apple Watch or a fitbit or a Casio G Shock can do 'so much more'? So ultimately just be happy that there are companies still making products for different tastes - the world would be very boring if everything was the same. And the more companies producing more means they push each other to become better. Each has its strengths, each its weaknesses. Take what works for you, what you can budget for and ultimately what makes you happy and shoot more but don't criticise others for choosing something different.

As someone fairly new to the hobby, I love how these videos bring you up to speed on the different brands and give you an idea of where they’re coming from. Have you guys thought of doing a series on the history of each one?

@alexiaf23

2 жыл бұрын

The Northrups have a great podcast series going over the history of many companies. It's a great listen if you like that format!!

@pacheaco727

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexiaf23 I’ll check them out. Thanks

@douglasdrumond

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexiaf23 They also have some old videos with the history of some brands. Probably from 2016 or 2017, I can’t remember exactly.

Really enjoy this series. Hope to see you cover Panasonic soon

@fktygglbtchbtch1384

2 жыл бұрын

and really grill Panasonic on their AF

@weisserth

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder what the /focus/ will be on with Panasonic...

I've never used a Leica product, and maybe I never will - but I still appreciate that such choices exist for photographers in the modern world.

@azgarogly

2 жыл бұрын

Dentists, not photographers.

@carlosmcse

2 жыл бұрын

@@azgarogly give me a break

@chuc.dxq3809

2 жыл бұрын

@@azgarogly rich kids and rich parents.

@Unknownresident621

2 жыл бұрын

@@azgarogly yawn.....such an unoriginal comment.

@eo9245

2 жыл бұрын

@@azgarogly lmaooo!

A+ for avoiding the terms micro contrast and Leica look. I love Leica (and their history!), and that omission probably saved another 50-1000 negative comments

Just got my Q2 monochrom reporter and I absolutely love it. I’m not a dentist hahahaha…

I have to say, if photography isn't just work, or a hobby that's occasional, the Leica 'experience' is very enjoyable. I love my CL/Q2M, and the others. It's just .... less stressful ,,, than my Sony kit. Which I also love.

I’m not minted or a dentist but I use Leica M cameras because they make me want to pick them up and go out and shoot. That’s the point right.

@Unknownresident621

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

I always thought the dentist thing was unfair until I found out my dentist is into photography, and you can guess what he shoots.

@UnconventionalReasoning

2 жыл бұрын

The next few times you go in to see him you're going to be thinking, "What am I helping him buy today?" :-D

@distomos8118

2 жыл бұрын

Teeth…?

@UnconventionalReasoning

2 жыл бұрын

@@distomos8118 Or, more likely, anything *but* teeth. :-D

@maxfairclough3600

2 жыл бұрын

If cost was not an issue, and money was unlimited, most photographers would own a Leica.

@distomos8118

2 жыл бұрын

@@maxfairclough3600 …and a Rolex.

Something both of you do unquestionably well. Talk about cameras ! Jordan looks sharp in the video. Chris looks like he’s wearing a tie reluctantly 😎

Jordan Frowning instantly while being told he's bad cop to get in his role is just the icing on the cake

Thanks for the wonderful video..... I can really understand your predicament. Trying to get your hands on a newly released Leica is almost impossible unless you have connections with them. When the SL2 was first launched in Nov 19, I was told by my local Leica office that I had to wait 3-4 months before I can get my order. As I don't have the patience to wait that long, I called up the Leica Store in Wetzlar and they had stock for 2 pieces. Told them to reserve one for me and I flew there to collect it within a week. Same thing goes repair..... my 90-280 lens had some problems and my local Leica office said it will take 6-8 weeks to get it repaired as they need to send it back to Wetzlar. Flew over here for my holiday and it was repaired by the wonderful folks at Leica within a week. Fortunately for me, my experiences with the folks over at Wetzlar has been wonderful so far...... provided you can coincide your holidays with your trip to Wetzlar 😆

Thanks for sharing this about Leica. I'm a 74 year old photographer who started with Nikon in the early 1970s and has bought into just about every brand of digital camera system over the last 20 plus years. In 2022, I decided to sell all of my cameras, including my Z system and shoot only Leica. As wonderful as those other systems are (Nikon, Olympus, SONY, Canon, Panasonic...) the Leica shooting experience and files rule the day for me. Yes, there are things I can't do with my SL2, CL, and Q cameras, but I'm fine... Better than fine.

@user-jw3rj2zi8k

Жыл бұрын

Why do all photos taken with the Leica come out blurry or noisy or blurry with noise? These are photos that look worse than photos from current cell phones. For the price of a Leica, you can buy a Nikon Z7 II with the new Nikkor Z 26mm f/2.8 lens and get stabilized, noise-free photos. I believe Leica is more of an emotional issue. A false sense of well-being for those who want to feel - deceptively - exclusive. Using Leica today is paying dearly for something that any cheap camera does as well or better.

Great show, loved the location and visual perspective in relation to Leica HQ.

Have a nice stay in Germany. Too bad I dont live near Wetzlar. Would love to see you guys in action. Keep it up!

The only channel where I click "like" before even watching the video.

I enjoyed both this good cop bad cop summary , and the auction video and time in Wetzlar , fantastic reviews

I just got my first Leica. M10. I bought it used from Leica DC. I'm 22, in college. I paid $5350. I do not regret saving up for half a year and selling 3 cameras to help pay for it. No regrets

@annekedebruyn7797

Жыл бұрын

Have fun with it! Its a wonderful experience.

@VoltLover00

Жыл бұрын

Saving what? The money your parents gave you?

@annekedebruyn7797

Жыл бұрын

@@VoltLover00 You realize that people are able to work for at least six years at the age of 22 in most countries right?

@SpencerReidBuchanan

Жыл бұрын

​@@annekedebruyn7797 He's just mad my parents use the 24 hours a day better than his

@SpencerReidBuchanan

Жыл бұрын

@@VoltLover00 Have worked Full time since I graduated highschool. I work at an airport and make $24/hr. Live with my parents still as I went through undergrad, which was paid for by scholarships. Maybe stop being jealous I grinded for what I wanted.

Another negative about Leica is the maintenance. My friend brought her MP240 to repair at local Leica store but it ended up being sent to Germany, costing more than a thousand dollars and requiring more than 3 months to complete. What a pain.

@davidenpunktse

2 жыл бұрын

I had to send mine to Wetzlar for repair. A M10 where the ISO dial stopped responding. I was way out of warranty, but they still took it in. Sent me a FedEx slip, asked me if I wanted to borrow a camera of my own choice during the repair time. So, I got to try out the SL2-S with the wonderful SL 24-90 lens. They also sent a M adapter so that I could use my own lenses. Repair time was about a month. They also cleaned my camera and made sure my rangefinder was adjusted. Price: Nothing. Got nothing but good things to say about Leica customer service.

@Raffix394

2 жыл бұрын

A positive is that If they make a mistake they stand for it, the M9 had a problem of coroding sensors and they replaced them at no cost even long after the waranty ended.

@pkennethv

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidenpunktse Which store provided such excellent service?

@davidenpunktse

2 жыл бұрын

@@pkennethv I got in touch with Leica directly. So, Leica in Wetzlar themselves provided this excellent service.

@barthonhoff5547

2 жыл бұрын

My 2nd hand M240 rangefinder needed to be recalibrated, took two weeks and was done free of charge.

I got the Q2M Dont wait. Its a classic. Perfect as it is for years and years to come. Waiting is missing out ;-)

This was actually a good promotion for the GH6! The video looked awesome in the hands of someone who knows what they’re doing, like Jordan.

I think you did a good job! As a former Leica shooter (I did go through a lot of Leica from analog to digital) I can relate to nearly everything you both said. Still, I can no longer afford using Leica gear (I do still own an old Leica IIIf and some ancient lenses, but my Leica is not fully functional and I can't get one that would be fit for everyday use), and part of that *is* the move to luxury items that Leica has forced for some years by now. Still, maybe, at some point in the future, a used Q2 - this is a dream I have now and then …

Where I think folks get lost with Leica is thinking that it’s about the “Leica Look” or for people with more money than sense. While Leica does attract the latter, it also attracts people who are into the craft of making an image and not just in the image itself. And that craft goes down to using a hand-made camera. With any modern FF camera and the right lens (and it’s always more the lens than the camera), I can achieve the “Leica Look” in post. But with Leica, I have a vivid, tactile memory of making that photo. And that for me is why I shoot Leica.

@Kevon420

2 жыл бұрын

The Leica look is in the rendering of their lenses though. The “look” of a 50mm Summilux (or any of their best lenses) is the idea, it wasn’t until digital (and really the M9) that that idea could even be conflated.

@brklynjosh

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kevon420 agreed. And to underscore your point… Leica lenses (and, of course, the photographer 😅) are responsible for the Leica Look, not the camera (and the 50 summilux you mentioned, even more than the Noctilux, renders the best version of it to my 👀). We also happen to be in a great time when you can get an awesome look, even if not quite a Leica one, using Voigtlander lenses (and to a certain but lesser extent 7artisan and their ilk). Happily, for those who care mostly about the final image, you can adapt a Leica or Voigtlander lens to a Nikon Z-body and make a reasonable facsimile of what an M would produce. The experience, however, of capturing that photo with a rangefinder can’t be reproduced or adapted. Maybe once Pixii goes full frame…

@johnwilliamson6442

Жыл бұрын

And I tried the path of adapting Leica lenses on to Sony fullframe bodies. Costly error. It did however reveal how much compensating processing goes on inside Leica digital bodies to compensate for their wider lenses.

You mentioned watches and cars that are hand built and expensive. There is a difference 😅 although my mechanical wristwatch is definitely “outdated” it’s not reliant on anything specific to keep usable such as a computer, USB ports, batteries, memory cards etc. so you pay $10,000 for a wristwatch and 100 years from now it can still be very usable to the same thing. A 24MP camera with an SD card and a proprietary battery you’ll be lucky if it’s still even usable 20 years from now.

Thanks! I really enjoyed this episode on Leica and the series in general. I liked shooting rangefinder cameras in the days of film (I started with a Zorki IV and then moved up to a Cosina/Voightlander). The viewfinder and manual focus was a great experience. I think that kind of shooting is more fun than the SLR used to borrow from my mom. When I got back into photography I bought a used Fuji X100v because it promised some of that same viewfinder experience. It’s certainly delivered in terms of image quality and enjoyment. I’d love to buy a Leica but it’s simply out of my price range right now.

@jorgemtrevino

2 жыл бұрын

I have an M2, and I have an X100V; let me tell you the rangefinder experience is just not there in the X100"n" cameras. Sure the X100V is a great _streetwalker,_ has a superb, bright viewfinder. It's adjustable for deficient eyesight (Leica diopters cost $200). The X100V will get you shots that the M2 (or an MP, or M10, 11, etc) with a 35 will not, expert zone-focusing notwhitstanding; however that nail driving hammer feel of Leicas is (again) _just not there._ Sadly, digital Leicas, even used ones, command crazy prices (and then they're just computers that look like Leicas).

@MatthewLungerhausen

2 жыл бұрын

@@jorgemtrevino Yes, the X100v is definitely not a rangefinder, but I am OK with that. I like carrying it around and the images I can make with it. RE: "(and then they're just computers that look like Leicas)." Yes! I totally agree! My Fuji is a crazy little image making robot. I am stunned by the computing power and features that are packed into modern digital cameras. Do you want Focus Stacking? Sure, it will do everything for you except combine it into a final single image. As someone who started playing with both film cameras and computers in the 1980s, the convergence is astonishing.

Welcome guys to Germany and thank you for this video

Weirdly, the tracking AF on my original SL 601 is working surprisingly well with my Sigma 100-400, but I’ve held off from buying an SL2 because of poor light and weak AF performance… which left me “no choice” 😂 but to buy an M11 which arrived on Wednesday, my god it’s a wonderful thing, but I still think the SL Type 601 is the best value camera out here at sub £2k for a mint used one. The big downer though with Leica is it makes everything else you own seem like rubbish! Ah the tragic update. Cut to dramatic music and scenes of despair…. The M11 went nuts… while shooting the camera suddenly became unresponsive, the back screen wouldn’t work, the shutter would fire on continuous, but take no shots, and even when switched off a nasty glowing red light would not switch off! Taking out the battery, removing the card… several calls to Leica… it’s toast and is set to be replaced. Interestingly a friend of mine who bought his from Leica Manchester a week after me has seen his pack in… dingy firmware… who knows, but very annoying, confidence dented. Certainly I’d be concerned if I was using two bodies professionally as I couldn’t trust them.

@rumporridge1

2 жыл бұрын

Just used an SL2 for the Westmeinster Dog Show……every frame was tack sharp with the dogs running around for best in show. SL2 had a firmware update, no problems whatsoever in my experience in the real world.

I love shooting with Leica. It started with the Q2 monochrome and now I am also using the M11. When I need fast continuous auto focus, I use my Sony cameras :). Watch out, the Q2 is a gateway drug.

@invisiblekid99

2 жыл бұрын

I've had my 2nd hand Q-P for precisely two days and I'm thinking, hmmmm M10/11. Just as well I'm supremely happy with the Q, but yeah, I can see me getting one at some point.

I have used the M, SL and Q systems. I even used the SL for a photoshoot in North Korea. I love the M system. It is the most fun camera out there. I would like to see a mirrorless medium-format Leica. The S3 just doesn't cut it nowadays, particularly if one compares it to the Fuji GFX and Hasselblads. Good video. I enjoyed it.

I switched all my Leica gear to Lumix. I was a huge Leica fan but they killed it for me by sharing the same sensor with Panasonic at this point you really are paying 4-5x more for the exact same sensor in another camera body that is more capable. Sure the Lumix isn’t hand made but it also won’t have the crazy repair times that Leica owners face and have to deal with. Even for me a die hard Leica fan couldn’t justify having a body that was 4x more expensive and lacked so many features. So now I’m able to adopt my M Mount lenses on my Lumix S1 and resolve more out of it than on my Leica M bodies while also being able to have an autofocus option if need be

@raxmendorom

2 жыл бұрын

Are there any smearing in the corners in the S1? I'd like to switch from Z to L mount because of this. Thanks!

@joeensley3912

2 жыл бұрын

@@raxmendorom I haven’t noticed any smearing of corners adapting my M lenses but I use m lenses mostly for portraits with significant bokeh. If I want a super sharp everything in focus then I use an L Mount sigma art lens or one of the Panasonic lenses

@999slawter

10 ай бұрын

Totally right. There is a border where you are not paying for hte product%procedure but for the name and - simple - for the "bullshits". No fucking way tehse cameras worth that much. Even if it's handmade. And handmade doesn't mean "superior quality"....

you can say all the bad things about leica, but deep inside your heart, you know you want one ;)

@powderedtoastman3093

Жыл бұрын

I waited 15yrs to buy a pair of M analogue bodies and a few lenses. Finally got the chance and they couldn’t even ship a camera to me that wasn’t looking like shit. 3 M-A’s all with dust inside the viewfinder out of the box.. refunded €16k of an order and they didn’t give a fuck. Wrote numerous emails and they didn’t even care. Waited 2months for them to sort an issue the Japanese would have sorted in 2 weeks yet the “Luxury” brand couldn’t sort a simple problem in 3 bodies in 2 months. NEVER AGAIN!!!

That was..... Great. Thanks for posting.

Great interview guys

Leica isn‘t that expensive if you consider the used market prices. I‘ve bought a M type 262 for 3300 € and sold it for 3000€ five years later. Which other camera could do that?

Before I bought a Leica, I'd watch reviews on YT all friggin day. Now that I own one, I'm still watching Leica content.

M10R Black Paint here. Love it. Best camera I ever owned. And I’m a teacher. So there…. Everyone complaining about Leica prices here has paid for a few Leicas already if you add up all the money they’ve spent on lenses and bodies. A Leica you own it forever. Pay once and that’s it. It’s a guy who bought a Paul Newman Daytona and now his grandson owns it.

Looking forward to you covering Fuji and Pentax :)

I bought a used M10 in November of 2019, and a used Monochrom typ. 246 in June 2021. Combined cost is still over $1000 cheaper than a new M11. I love both of them. If you really want something you more than likely can hustle your way into it.

Can't wait for the one on Pentax !!!!!!😊

Great video, thanks!

I read through the comments and there are some very emotional responses from the people who hate Leica cameras and/or Leica users. I recently bought the Q2 Monochrom and consider it the perfect camera. For me. I have Nikon and Olympus camera systems (APSC and M4/3) and enjoy them and with my Oly having all of the bells and whistles and the Nikon giving my first taste of creating beautiful photos.The experience of using the Leica Q2 Monochrom is different, the enjoyment is quintessentially the reason for buying and using this camera.

Been watching camera photography KZread channels everyday now for 9 years. It’s so funny that the best images in nearly all their portfolios were taken when reviewing Leica cameras.

I love how you guys dress up for this video hehe really entertaining as always!

I went from my first used M-E Leica and loved it! After 9 years I could finally afford a M10 but with the M11 already out, and after doing loads of research, I still wanted the M10. But I had to contact a dealer in Chicago (I am from NJ) who had a new M10 still in the box and I grabbed it....what a wonderful camera with the Summicron 35 f/2. Well worth the wait. I know Leica is not for many, but it is about the experience and beautiful photographs.

@zentrani

Жыл бұрын

How much did you end up paying if you don’t mind me asking?

@swedesrus25

Жыл бұрын

@@zentrani I don't mind. The new M10 cost $7,995 in February 2022. I believe the M11 was the same price but after review comparisons I preferred the M10 and never regretted it.

@zentrani

Жыл бұрын

@@swedesrus25 thanks for the response, one last question, what was the attractive part of the m10 over the m11 for you? Thanks ;)

@swedesrus25

Жыл бұрын

@@zentrani To me, the M11 had too many variables. I didn't need 60 megapixels; I have printed 2X3' prints beautifully from 24megapixls. Also, I was not interested in a touch screen. The M10 was exactly what I sought in a camera (the Canon D5 drove me crazy) and I feel that I am making the photograph, not the camera. I shoot manual and need no camera settings. As compared to the M-E, the one addition I do like is the "live view" when I occasionally need it. I do not regret the choice! Thanks for asking.

@zentrani

Жыл бұрын

@@swedesrus25 I agree with most of this, I wish there was a smaller resolution M11 variant with the new battery, USB-C and touch screen. I think the 60megapixels is too heavy for the processor just yet.

I own a Leica R4s. I have about $800 US into it, complete with CLA and and a 50mm Summicron. What this camera does is to make me think. To plan out my shots. To concentrate on aperture and shutter speed. ISO is dependent on the film choice. I don't need autofocus, white balance, auto-winders with this camera. I'll go to my 5D4 for that. This camera is just plain fun and satisfying. It brings me back to what photography was and is to me.

The few leica shooters I've met were totally chill. Couldn't care less what other people were up to. What I do see more often... People who can't seem to shut up about the legendary Leica snobbery, even if there's not a Leica within 20 miles lol. It seems to be the thing nikon-vs-canon types whine about as their secondary standard topic.

i got a great deal on a m240 a month ago and maaaan do i love that camera. it's PERFECT (for me). it's the best single frame making/taking machine I've owned. it's a rather old camera but it's not outdated.

Fantastic 2 shot!!

One very cheep way to feel and use Leica cameras is the dead R system. I shoot since 1989 with the R system, first with one second-hand R3, and years later with a new R8. It was very nice SLR film cameras, the R8 is a joy to use because of very good ergonomics, splendid viewfinder and the very,very,very accurate metering system. And of course the lenses...I love my Summicron R 50/f2!

What a fun video - thanks guys!

I also want a Q2M. I’ve been thinking of upgrading to a Q2 this year. May wait until we see what the Q3 looks like.

Deutsch is not my first language, but I think "Guter Bulle" (good cop) and "Böser Bulle" (bad cop) is better. Keep the enjoyable videos coming.

For your "good cop/bad cop" translation you are looking for "guter Bulle/böser Bulle" in German. "Bulle" is a slang term for a police officer (with a negative connotation), "böse" equals "mean" or even "evil". "Schlecht" in the way you used it means being bad at a job, not being the mean one.

I think you guys overlooked the M-Mount adaptor for the SL. Anyhow, always enjoy your shows very much! Thanks!

@eo9245

2 жыл бұрын

What's the point of autofocus then?

@paulgibian881

2 жыл бұрын

I use my M lenses on an SL2. The SL2 has stabilization and an excellent EVF. I have an M10R but my eyes are not as sharp as they once were. With the M-L Adapter I have amazing M glass that continues to work for me. I also have the SL lenses (50, 90, 24-90, 90-280) which are fantastic, but I love the manual focus of the M lenses.

‘…I just wanna Q2 monochrome…’ Jordan, my absolute favourite reviewer. Nice one gents. 👏

They just make the best photo-comedy duo ever. And their chosen location in the middle of a roundabout to get the Leica factory in the b/g, is very very funny. (I imagine the sound person had kittens at the very thought of it; the traffic is very noticeable, but that’s that’s makes it so funny !! ). And they still managed to cover most of the pro’s and con’s of Leica ownership, albeit losing the good cop/bad cop act somewhere along the way, (which was funny too ! ).

I love Leica, even though I’ve never been able to afford one. Hopefully one day.

@janfrosty3392

2 жыл бұрын

Get one Alex, what a hack you only live once.

@Raffix394

2 жыл бұрын

With the M mount lenses if you buy them used the cost of ownership over many years is close to 0 If you take care of them well they hardly lose value and some even increase in value.

Personally, I gave up years ago judging imagery on the optical qualities of the equipment. Of course it contributes to the photographs but without a competent photographer, who puts in the time to practice and get better, you’d simply end up with mediocre images taken on an expensive camera and the optical qualities of the lens would be lost anyway.

„Böse Polizei“ fits better than „schlechte Polizei“ ;)

@linusfotograf

2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t you say polizist?

@delpierro0815

2 жыл бұрын

@@linusfotograf You could but both is ok. "Gute Polizei, böse Polizei" would be the police in general while "Guter Polizist, Böser Polizist" would address individual cops. So the latter would be more precise and closer to the English version ;).

@niccollsvideo

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the correction, although maybe I meant Jordan is like a naughty cop. Because he totally is! 😄

@delpierro0815

2 жыл бұрын

@@niccollsvideoYou‘re welcome - there is no good German word to describe Jordan though ;).

Y’all the best. Love your videos.

Nice one Even though the example of the CL being one of the few cameras to question, I have a different option. It is a pity the market did not understand the product. To me, it is one of the best LEICAs ever made. Technical FUJI has undoubtedly more to offer, but the mentioned user experience puts pretty much all cameras in the shadow. Just as a SL2 has to me a very different user experience than a PANASONIC I do shoot pretty much their whole range.

Good discussion. Too bad they are so expensive but like Jordan said, where else are you going to get a manual focus, full frame rangefinder? What makes the M so great is the fact it’s so simple. It forces the user to understand shutter speed, aperture and ISO. Understanding those three simple things will make you a much better photographer. I’d love to own an M sometime. BTW, there are a huge number of good inexpensive third-party M mount lenses available which can make the total cost of system ownership similar to other full-frame systems.

Good job guys! I think you captured the Leica ethos perfectly I want a Q2 colour myself and also dream about buying one every few months.

Thank you for pro n con discussion on Leica cameras which highlight company inroads into top camera market. Thank you

Jordan - you do want a q2 Monochrom. :) it is like the perfect moody vacation camera in addition to an everyday carry. Plus, b roll that doesn’t need sound can be gorgeous

I sold my fuji-pack (x-pro 3 and 4 different lenses from 16mm to 50-140 zoom… I got enough just to buy a M10, then I bought a 50mm TTartisan-lens for a couple if 100$… the fuji stuff are things ivetcollected the past 6-7 years and after a 3/4 of a year I bought a Voigtlander 28mm Ultron. I have a quite bad paycheck compared to the standard here, it’s all about priorities, if you want/need wide to tele-zoom a M-series is not for you. I almost only used my 35mm f1.4 so an M10 with a 50 1.4 was a perfect start! Next move is to buy a used Leica summicron 50mm, if that happens this year, or next year 🤷‍♂️ If you want a Leica, and live in a wealthy country, it’s up to you, what you want and how you prioritize. If you’re not ready to give up a speedy sony or canon, then don’t blame a company that doesn’t go with the “made in china” race. You cant compare a “made in germany” company with a “made in china”-one. It’s a big different. And show me a sony that’s made in brass 🤷‍♂️ if spec is more important than a relationship with your gadget, then go with the sony, it will always be better on paper. But I wouldn’t change my leica m10 for a sony A7xxx any day in the week :)

The 'Luxury Goods' argument is fair..... however the reviews of Leica are like those of any other mass consumer product. (you don't see Rolex/Omega/IWC reviewed like that)

Hey, i know where that is... Because i live basically there. Funny to see, would love for you to do a fan meetup or something at some point if you ever come back to germany.

I own a few cameras and while all of them will get the job done there’s nothing like the files from the Q2M. Everyone assumes this is snobbery or fangirl talk until they use it. Is the camera crazy expensive yes. does it annoy me how expensive it was, you betcha. But if I was faced with the choice of keeping only one camera, this would be it.

I am used to recognise the 'Leica glow' that cannot be imitated. However, with the rise of Fujifilm GFX, and full frame mirrorless in general keeps getting more advanced, I could not recognise this Leica glow anymore. Am I right that the competition gets tighter and everyone raises the bar everytime?

@pkennethv

2 жыл бұрын

For me, these days, it's only obvious with Leica's APO lenses. Some of the other brands' stuff now matches or I'll even find preferable to a lot of Leica's older/lower end, non-APO lenses.

@edwinadrianta9455

2 жыл бұрын

@@pkennethv agree with you. Do you have your personal favourite lenses that give Leica stuffs tough competition?

My original Canon EOS-1 film camera is still working perfectly for shooting film. Amazing.

I have owned several- M10P, Q2, SL2, along with the Canons, Nikons, Sony, et al. I currently have great lust for the M11. Once you use Leica and get past the specsmanship of other brands and just decide to take pictures, they become so addictive.

Good stuff. I'd love to try a Leica but right now medium format is calling my name.....on the other hand, DXOmark gives the M11 incredible ratings....someone in Germany did something right. Again. I need a bigger budget. Loved the ending of the video.

My M240 DNG files do not preview on MacOS Monterey?

Why on earth Fujifilm doesn’t get into full frame range finders?

I hope Lumix continues the TL-line in some form via the L2 agreement

@paullefko

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it’s a mistake not to have an apsc camera. I have sold my all my Leica bodies but kept the CL and several of their lenses. Full frame should not be the only option. The APSC camera is so travel friendly and comparatively light to carry. Maybe apsc from Panasonic, I hope so, but that would end of line m43. Which I also enjoy

Most people don't dislike Leica cameras, they dislike the attitude many Leica devotees have.

@Unknownresident621

2 жыл бұрын

Most Leica devotees I know have a great attitude. All brands have bad-attitude fanboys.

I have the Leica M11 and the Q2. The M11 Black was ordered on launch day in January and I had it second week of March. I'd say the same for Nikon, Sony, Canon and others on long waits for new products, and Jan to Mar isn't bad at all for a hot new product. (Ask a Z9 or Z 100-400mm buyer). The Q2 was available right away. I've got a few top demand lenses and were available so I'm not sure it is true right now that there are long delays. Yes, they are moving their U.S. location so some things are now end of July, but that's a temporary and beneficial move. Your other points are right on and there is no perfect camera system. you can argue at Leica's price point they should be the exception, but remember there are other factors such as handmade, zero tolerance QA, metal lenses and such that drive those prices.

If you‘re interested it’s „Guter Bulle, Böser Bulle“ in German synchros of English cop movies.

@niccollsvideo

2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate the lesson!

@apocryphal_man

2 жыл бұрын

@@niccollsvideo And I appreciate the content, guys!

I am left eyed and always felt uncomfortable with the Leica film camera. Then I looked at the slides and sold the photos and smiled. I am very happy with a Panasonic to use those lovely lenses. The Super-Elmars, Elmars and Hektors have a new life for me. Although I obscured the red dot because I did not want to be an Leica person. My first TL, I put a plastic cellphone type case on it. With a 23/3 on it, I could take it places serious cameras were not allowed. Since it used the screen for things, it passed inspection and sure got better photos than they thought my toy camera was capable of. :)

Over twenty years ago I considered the fallout of dropping a $1000 Canikon lens in a swamp and then a $6,000 Leitz. Decision was easy to make, never looked back.

@CakeorDeath420

2 жыл бұрын

You bought the Leitz and never ventured into the swamp?

Great video!!! I just feel that, a person who goes for a Leica doesn't strike me as someone who cares about the specs much.

Even the round Leica building in the background looks like a lens or is it just me? 😊

Please do an episode on Zeiss lenses!

A good argument towards the end, which raises an interesting philosophical debate. Leica are perceived as niche products, but are they really niche in terms of functionality? Even though they are far beyond my budget, thus I have no actual experience with them, the only area the M series seem to suffer is action photography, for which they would be probably unsuitable. The modern photographer proposes the idea that not being automated in many aspects makes it niche and more difficult to work with. Leica's philosophy proposes that because it is simpler, it is easier to work with and this argument is hard to defeat. The modern photographer (me included and I fought really hard to get rid of this habit) has a 'mistaken' perception of what light meters do and how they work, and most exposure problems come for this. Light meters are programmed to turn the overall light in your composition to a particular shade of gray. This is why when you shoot a white composition it always turns out underexposed. Same with black subjects where they turn out overexposed. So the question is not whether your light meter is good enough, but only whether you know WHERE to meter for your frame and composition. Aperture priority and shutter priority (and any other automated exposure mode) only work well when the lighting in your frame is even like in overcast days. Shooting in manual most of the time will certainly enable you to obtain correct exposure AND imprint your creative idea without compromises, or with compromises in areas which do not matter for your composition. In some cases it is easy e.g. sunny 16 rule: when it is sunny with an f/16 aperture set your shutter to the same number as your ISO. If you want a different aperture account for the stop difference in your shutter speed or ISO. This works anywhere regardless of whether you're shooting in the street or in the snow where your meter will 100% of the time not expose your shot properly. If your subject is backlit, move in close and fill the frame with the subject to meter. Other times you meter the sky. In other cases it is not as easy, e.g. you may need to use fill flash. There are other things to discover e.g. backlight improves contrast in macro, and front light produces flatter results. BUT think about it. The only 2 main elements in manual mode regarding your exposure are a) deliberate aperture and shutter speed choice as concerns the creative part, and b) knowing WHERE to meter in your frame, and where to focus concerning the technical part and the DOF. All these can be learned by trial and error, by reviewing other people's work, and by reading books from experienced photographers. People think that automated modes get rid of these problems for you, but this is not true at all. Automatic exposure just makes results more random. If you shoot with wrong settings your result will be crap 95% of the time. Automated modes reduce this to like maybe 70-80% nowadays. If you shoot with proper settings, your result will be good 100% of the time. So an interesting debate in the end is whether all this automation has actually helped elevate your level of photography and in my experience the answer is no. Especially as an amateur shooter (and not photographer) the worst thing that happened to me was trying to figure out how to use all these automated modes, together with exposure compensation to what I wanted, where all I needed was manual mode. This wastes so much time and you think what am I doing wrong? Or you may even believe this is how it must be, maybe all photographers take 80% of their pictures wrong. Well, mate, you're not 'thinking' photography, and you're not taking the pictures you let the camera take them. You know little about light, and even less about capturing it. I wish I had someone to tell me that early on. If you have time to think about exposure compensation then you have time to shoot in manual mode. Manual mode + a flash unit with remote mode + travel tripod is all you need to produce sharper images, better lit images, AND more deliberate compositions in 99% of situations. You don't even need fast lenses unless you are shooting indoors at low light and can't use a slow shutter. At full-frame, any lens that can do f/4-5.6 is good enough for pretty much any outdoors situation including portraits, as long as it is good quality glass. Most pros who travel shoot with lenses like e.g. the Nikon 70-300 f/4-5.6 or 24-120 f/4 because they are compact, thus they can handle them easily and can carry them around all day. They make spectacular pictures. The biggest enemy of the photographer in the end is their own self and especially that self who worries about things that don't really matter. Is this lens f/2.8 or f/4? Which lens is sharper? What about diffusion at higher apertures? Which camera meters highlights better? Does it have a highlight metering mode? Who cares? If you worry about all these things life is pretty difficult. All modern mid-range and above lenses are sharp enough. Diffraction hasn't been a real problem since like the late 80's. If you need to use f/22 and focus at 1m, you do it. All on-camera light meters work with the same principle. There is some variation, but no light meter can fix the problems caused by metering at the wrong place. 99% of beautiful photos are all about proper, deliberate technique and beautiful ideas. So, is Leica M a niche product? Hell no, I'd buy one instantly if I had the money.

Love the contents

It’s 2022 and I’m still happily shooting a Leica M9 and an M9 Monochrom. In fact, the Mono mated with my 2000 vintage 50 Summicron (purchased used, btw) is easily my favorite camera.

@mattdebyl8806

2 жыл бұрын

The Mono is just a gem. I am still very sad I sold mine.

@theraven6836

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattdebyl8806 Interesting because I’ve been think of selling both and then using the proceeds toward buying an M10M once the M11M comes out. As much is I love the M9M, I fear that the electrical components will eventually fail and Leica may be unable or unwilling to fix it at a reasonable price.

@mattdebyl8806

2 жыл бұрын

@@theraven6836 yeah, completely understand! I sold mine to get an MM 246, which was also very nice, but wasn’t as good as the original. I’m pretty put off buying any of the M9 chassis stuff now for the same reason. Shame. That camera is absolute magic.

@Raffix394

2 жыл бұрын

I sold my M9 a long time ago. Loved the feel and sound but parted due to - Fear of sensor corosion - Bad Display With my 35mm summilux at the time I often had focus shift issues. Leicas have a lot of issues, but I still like them and I have an M11 ordered :)

@mattdebyl8806

2 жыл бұрын

@@Raffix394 sensor issue can be fixed permanently which is good, but supplies have been exhausted of sensors due to the issue. Display is terrible, but not really needed. Focus shift is a constant problem with rangefinders.

In one sense, you're absolutely right that Leica has every right to place themselves as a boutique product. I don't think the problem is Leica themselves, I think it's a lot of the people who buy and shoot Leicas. First, I know, "Not all Leica shooters," but I have encountered some very snobby photographers in my past who looked down on my more affordable, pedestrian gear. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth, and one that can get tied to the equipment those people use. And, FWIW, I know two people personally who shoot Leica, and one is a dentist (the other is a financial planner).

@airdailyx

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Hey look at me I have a leica! did you see my leica??? let me wave it around even though I’m not actually taking any pictures. i’ll get closer to you just to make sure you see me and that I have one and you don’t. I see these pretentious pricks all the time. and they always seem to just be walking around and not actually using them. 😂

@Eliehbk

2 жыл бұрын

I shoot Leica, and would never look down on anyone's gear. I actually think that the best camera I ever owned is not a Leica, but rahter the Canon R5. I also chose a model without the red dot, jut a bit more discreet. But like I would enjoy a Blancpain more than a Timex, both tell time the same. Enjoy your gear!

@MatthewLungerhausen

2 жыл бұрын

The only person I’ve known personally and seen use a Leica was an actual photojournalist. This was back in the age of film and he used both a Leica and a Nikon SLR depending on what the assignment was. I watched him take his Leica on one of our pub crawls and he got some amazing shots with it. His recommendation for a buying a first camera was a Pentax K1000 with a fast 50mm lens. Preferably used.

@maxfairclough3600

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, I have also experienced the same with Canon shooters. When I first started I had a Canon 7D with a 18-55 kit lenses. I was frowned upon by guys with L Series glass. This argument extends to every user of every brand. Just that everyone looks to Leica as the big shark because it is cost prohibitive for the most part.

@eo9245

2 жыл бұрын

You should've asked photos they shot from their leica's! One time i asked and they show me picture of their cat and christmas tree! It was flat too! 🤣

One interesting side of Jordan’s bad cop role is that the criticism is common among many reviews I have seen. With the suggestions I have the impression all cameras would be similar/identical if implemented 😀 Thinking of his points on the M

I love Leica and used them since the 70’s and owned too many Leica cameras and lenses . Today I still has M Monochrom, M10 , Q , Q Monochrom and the disappointment CL which I bought for my wife because of small and light camera . But currently I don’t see the newer Leica that really worth for the price you pay .

You tease us with that brief screenshot of the Pixii website - I'd really wanna see you cover the camera at some point.

Chris, I just don’t get how the redesign of the bottom plate is better in any way. The only argument of merit I’ve heard is that apparently more people than I would have guessed, LOSE the bottom plate and they are super expensive to replace.

@niccollsvideo

2 жыл бұрын

It's faster to change the battery, the USB functionality is useful. As mentioned, nothing to lose or drop, or replace. Better use of limited space. Definitely not nearly as cool, and the tactile appeal is missing, but from a pragmatic standpoint, it's the right way to go.

@patrickjclarke

2 жыл бұрын

@@niccollsvideo Dammit, and I'm known for being ultra-pragmatic. :P. I guess being that I almost never use Live View, quick changing the battery, having a bigger battery or using the USB was worth the clean and tactile design of the bottom plate. I originally thought removing the bottom plate was going to improve weather sealing, and that I'd be all for. But now you have me intrigued....you should do a "how quickly can I change the battery between an older M and the M11"...it would be KZread GOLD watching you swap them out like an F1 tire change! :D

Great video guys..... but it is absolutely impossible to get over the prices,

I borrowed a brand new M11 with 35mm lens a few days ago. I wanted to see what was so different about Leica and the always talked about ' Leica Look'. I have compared very detailed shots of the new M11, a Sony A7iii and Fujifilm XPro3. Aside from resolution, i seriously cannot fathom the extra $10000 price tag for the Leica. Sure the image is much higher in megapixels, but honestly all 3 cameras produced roughly the same quality photo. I appreciate that people like to purchase high end brands as they like prestige gear, but......i do not see it worth it. For anyone stuck on the fence about getting a Leica camera, I can honestly say that if you have the money do what you want. i have the money to purchase a few of these M11's but to be brutally honest I cannot see the any reason aside from image status to own one. i have tested dynamic range and processed the photos like any normal consumer would and I would bet nobody reading this could determine which camera made which photo. Note to newcomers, DO NOT get caught up in the leica hype. Like all other mirrorless bodies, they are just sensors and a lens like any other mirrorless camera. After shelling out $10,000 plus for a leica, you are kidding yourself if you think your photos are superior to anything else a fifth the price on the market.Sure if leica gave me a camera i would take it, but i am in no way paying that much money for something that delivers image quality on par with much much cheaper brands. Dont believe me?......rent one and see for yourself. I have leica raws I could tell you came from a sony a7iv and you would believe me. KZreadrs seem to pushing the Q2 at the moment, avoid it at all costs. You are not getting a camera that is superior in any way. Leica cameras do have once strength that none of the other brands have yet to achieve. Their bodies and lens drain your wallets very quickly with no noticeable benefit to the owner. Maintenance on leica is insanely offensive too along with accessories. I dare you to prove me wrong.

good job boys.

Last time I used a rangefinder camera was 1980, so I’ve already had that “experience”. Been there, done that.

They really do make the most beautiful cameras and lenses. But except for the SL, I personally find the handling to be unpleasant. I tried the Q2 with a grip and although it was much improved it still wasn’t amazing. Still worth going to a store and try them out. They’re pure beauty!

@0zymanndias773

2 жыл бұрын

What? The SL has the best grip out of all the systems imo

Taken with S prime Len’s file look complete difference than L mount Len’s on SL. It is a complete different experience. But it focus is slow compare to modern standard. But the picture is very very good. This is properly the new pre S4 medium format look. S Len’s glass is the best among Leica in making. It is creamy but details shadow, and sometime even out of focus shot look better than in focus.