I think Lego boobed here. A simple addition of one screw to the clip on lid would have met the safety rules, but allowed people to decide to leave it undone or not.

Phew, it's good to know that the hood and the doors are the only issues Zetros ever had! ;)

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget the badge! ;)

@catzzzz1450

2 жыл бұрын

👀

4:07 I love how the rubber ducky is casually sitting beside the two hubs to the left and what can be used as a gun to the right, it looks quite funny. Great overview of the situation btw!

@EMDWDG4

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

I am really, really pleased that although they have not issued a public statement yet, LEGO is quietly working in the background to fix some common complaints from customers about the Zetros. This is one of two signs that LEGO is paying more attention to customer feedback (the other being the new upcoming 2022 sets- many of them are function-focused, presumably because many fans complained that LEGO Technic was essentially becoming Creator Expert with Technic pieces). Maybe LEGO will fix the lack of B-models too in future sets if they hear many people complaining about that? (Just speculating, but you never know! 😉)

@RAiNfORAiNbOW

2 жыл бұрын

but they didnt fix the most important part the rear axle..

@abelnemeth4346

2 жыл бұрын

I have a theory: Lego might be trying to save some money on these little things by forcing the designer to exclude them. Now they have to see that it was not worth saving 19 parts per set with such things.

@louisbrokatzky520

2 жыл бұрын

Control + is still rubbish though and the Zetros remains ugly, underpowered and nowhere near a Mercedes truck

@louisbrokatzky520

2 жыл бұрын

Oh and ground clearance as well as tires remain a disaster

@EMDWDG4

2 жыл бұрын

@@louisbrokatzky520 Well they can't change too much after release, then it would become a new set altogether.

I also appreciate the need to make the battery case safer for children, but I also echo other comments here that a hybrid solution would have been a better approach. Especially one where the screws were optional, or if there was only one screw. Four screws seems a bit of overkill.

Our local toyshop (New Zealand) said that all battery powered toys are now required to have screw-on battery covers, and this is delaying the new control plus Lego sets to new Zealand. It's a recent law change here.

*"Your most unhappy customers are your greatest source of learning"* -Bill Gates

@jimlewis1

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting, as MSoft really do not seem to be learning much!

@EMDWDG4

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimlewis1 They did learn a bit from Windows 8 though, they learnt that any Windows version that removes the Start Menu will fall flat on its face...

@2kBofFun

9 ай бұрын

@@EMDWDG4 Right now 8.1 is praised and seen as the best OS design they ever made.... The new Apple-cloning Win 11 is the new hate-catcher. The start menu was dumb forever, they ditched it once again in 11.

I just got back into Lego as an adult with the Zeltros and found this awesome channel. Thanks for the update and great reviews.

Glad I waited on the Zetros

I don't have any cracking problem with my Zetros. But I drive it very gently not pushing against anything too hard. Good channel content! :)

I saw only the increase in price so far, lol. And yes, Zetros is unavailable in Austria.

Love your videos! thank you so much for informing us!

Lego made a really good change by fixing the structure of the hood because it comes open way too much, but no fixes to the rear axle, those pieces could have been much more helpful in the rear. Also when will the 4x4 extreme offroader be retired.

They fixed the two easiest mistakes on the Zetros but not the design flaw of the rear shock absorber or the rear axle problem? Come on LEGO! The exhaust muffler also comes off easy. P.S. I hate screws on battery boxes especially if they will have 4!!!

Interesting. I generally like the tool-less battery swap for the hub, now the screws will make it more cumbersome. Are there any changes coming in other RC models as well apart from the hub?

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

I did not notice any updates in the other manuals, at least the piece counts did not change

@YouTuneIt

2 жыл бұрын

As childrens safety was the reason LEGO has used screwed shut compartments before I find that not really to be necessary here either. Its pretty hard for a small child to open those 2 clamps at the same time. Though I would not bet their life on it. So if someone made a fuss about their small child having opened it, its imaginable that LEGO changes things. They are unnerved by most criticism, but not safety afaik. Also, from experience I know LEGO CS is not normally allowed to confirm or deny if a a set is going out of production (since it can give unfair trade advantages). So if information was given there I would not count on it @RacingBrick.

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

@@YouTuneIt it's not "someone making a fuss", it's about laws and regulations in certain countries. As far as I know toy makers need to make sure that battery compartments cannot be opened without tools, e.g. a screwdriver.

Interesting changes - they're going to further complicate my upcoming 42129 MOC! I am surprised they did not change the rear axle, I also had some problems with it.

I can understand the reason to use screws, but would be nice if they went for a hybrid solution where screws were optional. I’ve seen quite a few toys adopting that approach.

@Inflator82

2 жыл бұрын

Or simply add lithium ion USB charged battery instead.

@OscarOlim

2 жыл бұрын

@@Inflator82 Battery packs eventually die, and then instead of a cheap £10 replacement, you have to get a new HUB. Not to mention the initial price of the hub would also increase, as would packaging to be able to deliver items with build in li-on batteries.

With the pleasure of greeting you from Mexico, I tell you that the Lego page for our country already considers the set with 2129 pieces and already available, it should be noted that the origin of delivery is the USA but for the "modest" price of 369.99 usd., Yes, 70 dollars more expensive than if we acquired it in American territory, as pieces of the Powered up series are not offered for Latin America, however in the USA they do have them available, the 88012 hub for 89.00 usd.

It is good, that Lego is upgrading their sets, BUT... Will they send pieces for upgrade to customers who already bought older version? They should at least sell this pieces on website as a supplementary set.

@richardjulien1329

2 жыл бұрын

I think you will just have to phone them to ask for it, and they will send it to you for free ( that's what they do most of the time )

Amazing information!!!!! I love this guy.

I rebuilt this set 3 times and by the third time it developed the cracking sound. I was so excited when this set came out but my enthusiasm wore off right when I realized that all it can really do is climb smooth ramps. The approach angle is awful. This one is coming apart for the final time now and it'll be used for parts

Mercedes recall ..

Nice find👍🏻

Sherlock RacingBrick in full investigation mode xD I will definitely not use all four screws on those hubs - I'm too lazy for that :D

@jimlewis1

2 жыл бұрын

But I think the lid will just fall off. Not sure if only one or two would be needed. Still a pain

So, in a nut shell, we will get an enormous muscular screwdriver hand this year

Excellent video RacingBrick it is a great pity that in the next control + it will not be easier to replace the batteries but at least the doors and the hood of the zetros will never open thanks you have 19 more pieces and a pity that lego has not changed the axle rear

I haven't experienced the rear axle cracking issue which is described on this channel. But for me this happens on the rear axle in a different place: the connection of rear diff small gear with the axle which drives the wheel. Under stress the axle slips and damages the central part of the gear where the axle goes in. I fixed it by using a longer axle for more secure connection and new undamaged gear in the diff.

One time I did a cool jump with my off road buggy and when it landed it exploded (like all the batteries fallout and scattered violently)

When i was a lot younger i had the blue and the grey 12volt deadly train transformator and i’m still alive. Guess i’m a lucky survivor⚡️

@whatsups3045

2 жыл бұрын

I am with you on that...I always wonder how for example Märklin still get away with a controler with 230V power plug, and Lego is not allowed.......so they say.

I really want to know if they will offer a service pack - like they did before - with the missing parts required to build version 2, since I most likely have version 1. I bought it right as it came out, and would like to know if I have v1 or v2. Will they eventually stop access to v1 of the instructions and only offer v2? What will people who want to break it apart and rebuild do?

Would be pretty neat if somebody could upload the additional pieces which are needed to upgrade the old version of the Zetros. Mine is still in its box and I always use the PDF instructions for building. If I wouldn't have known about this video and about the changes, I would have gone nuts about missing pieces in that Zetros set when I start building.

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

You can wait for someone to do the work or you can compare the two building instructions yourself :)

@basberend

2 жыл бұрын

it will be on rebrickable the moment it is out. just use the compare option V1 vs V2

Sherlock Balazs! Very interesting video, thanks for sharing

Nice detective work!

I've not had any problems with the rear axle yet but not excessively pushed the model yet.

Can you give me some insight into how the arm works with the cross gears please as I’m trying to make my own hammer saw robot and I’m having issues with the design.

That was some intensive snooping you did lol, but anyways I think this could have massive implications for upcoming sets. It seems that the reviews on the product pages are working (the zetros had a low rating and the reviews covered many of these issues) so I think it might be wiser to get future sets a few months after release, since they could get reworked

Does this mean that our old zetros sets will be really rare like 8041? Will they change the set number? Who knows

I think its high time Lego moves to a rechargeable battery unit....size requirements would change and ease of battery management (read recharge with a cable verse swap) would be huge.

@richardjulien1329

2 жыл бұрын

That would be nice... If you are not Lego exclusive, there is a company that produce rechargeable battery with 3d elements to fit into the hub... Lego could really use this idea, even if they were to sell the battery as an upgrade separately to the hub...

Interesting, this may explain why the Zetros disappeared for sale in New Zealand about a month after it launched. I managed to get one before it disappeared from the New Zealand Lego page. My model has the old style hub (no screws).

@medpig04

2 жыл бұрын

У нас в России пропали все наборы с новой электрикой примерно в конце декабря, на всех популярных площадках. Надеюсь дополненные наборы в скором времени появятся в магазинах.

Ohhh so that's why I can't find the RC Buggy in the Lego shop

If they’re replacing it AGAIN just as I’m starting to switch from PF to C+ my wallet will never forgive me

As an AFOL, I like the sets because they actually do stuff unlike the 1/8 cars. But my usage was limited to trying it out when finished, then remove the batteries and put on display. So the controls don’t bother me. And I don’t want the zetros anyway.

Just bought the zetros and its estimated that it will retire in late 2023 or start of 2024. The price is also said to sky rocket above 330£ as soon as that happens so £200 for the zetros is not bad

My axle crackin too

Thank you for your investigations inspector Balazs !

Wow you are an detective

They might change the EAN number. This way they can tell the difference.

I wanted to play yesterday but i cant get connected to any of the sets have tried removing the app and battery but nothing worked

The simplest answer would be that they don't know what they are doing.

Lego designers are geniuses, the Zetro's old and new instructions have a difference at page 69, nice (6:40) More seriously, I just got two off-road buggys with 30% off at my local Lego store and they came with the old Hub (without screws), even tho I checked the page on Lego website (I live in France) and it didn't mention anything about 30% off. Thanks new Hub, you made me save 60€ 😂

They are still available on the irish website

I got this last year and I tried it there was no cracking noise for me

Good to see they're working on it even after release! That said, will TLG send you a supplement pack of pieces to make up the Version 2 changes? AND, if so, will they include printed instructions? I don't build via PDF, I only like using the printed instructions. Any idea if the older version will now be more valuable? I haven't opened mine, but bought it months ago, so I am fairly certain it'll be the Version 1 of the Zetros.

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

No official information is available about the change at the moment, I guess TLG will provide answers soon

@RoadReality

2 жыл бұрын

@@RacingBrick Thanks!

@whatsups3045

2 жыл бұрын

I would leave it sealed and exchange it for version two as soon as it comes available.

42140 has the new battery box with the screws.

My son has the Zetros and after one day the steering started to control speed and vice versa. Any idea how to fix this?

42129 was planned to have 2108 pcs.

I would hope Lego releasing a Pistolgrip Controller

All that's missing from these Control+ investigation videos is a black-and-white filter and Balasz in a trenchcoat and trilby hat narrating his thoughts over some soft saxophone jazz.

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

Great idea, need to get the coat and the hat first!

6:38 Why am I not surprised...

In both Berlin Lego Retail Stores all 4 Control+ Sets have a 30% discount. CAT for 314,99€, Zetros 209,99€ and Buggy for 90,99€.

@medpig04

2 жыл бұрын

У нас в России тоже действовали скидки на наборы с новой электрикой до 30-40%. Но наборы как-то пропали почти со всех площадок в начале января. Жду с нетерпением поступление наборов.

I picked up my Zetros set in March after I got the transformation vehicle and it didn't have the changes nor the new hub

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

I got one last month and that one was still not changed

How can I give you 100 likes? Thank you very much, my dear friend, for your great investigation!

Hi Balazs, can you do a review on the lego 42132 motorcycle?

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

I'm already working on it

When the vehicle will flip from one side to the other, I think I know what will happen in the app interface. The control interface in the app will change the controls. 8:36

Do you think they could review XL Motor also? I had a problem with one in 4x4 Off-road set and yesterday I had a problem in Volvo set, both in the very same XL Motor. For the first problem Lego replaced but now I don’t know if they will replace again. Tks for your vídeos and reviews!👍🏻

@mauriciokrambek4456

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, I could not find this XL Motor to buy in Bricks&Pieces, only available other motors…

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

I had one faulty XL motor so far among a dozen or so, not sure if it is a trend. If LEGO gets lots of complaints about them I'm sure they'll investigate.

@mauriciokrambek4456

2 жыл бұрын

Just an update, regarding the problem with the XL Motor I had recently, I have just received a brand new one from Lego!👏🏻

Not sure if I have a special case but when I swop the old battery holder from the volvo A60H with the D11, the D11 does not recognise the battery holder and gives me a connecting error. The Volvo A60H can use either battery holder.

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds weird, would be interesting to test that holder in other hubs if you have any

@betteroffburnt_

2 жыл бұрын

@@RacingBrick unfortunately I only have the two. I will see if any locals have another one to test it with

Are the screws PH or PZ? If I have a wrong screw driver i will damage the screws over time ... not good

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

Whatever is the international standard

I know it it is the copy of the sets number but without the 4

I'd really like to see a rechargable hub instead of batteries. All problems solved.

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

A rechargeable insert would need the exact same lid with the same screws :)

@garyg1848

2 жыл бұрын

@@RacingBrick True, but we would not need access to that battery pack.

Lego is selling the manual hubs at a discount price, maybe for the same reason, as those are hubs without the screws? I also find it strange that they have to reproduce entire sets for these hubs with screws. The regulations for battery boxes would already been in place, long before the sets came out. Or maybe their was a delivery problem with the new hubs

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

I think the dumb hubs are still without screws

Coming from a medical device background, I have some understanding of how safety regulations tend to work. Unfortunately, they're often enforced in such a way based on particular regulatory reviewers which have their own opinions on what's safe or not. While it seems like that shouldn't happen, it can, does, and is enforced. So, LEGO is probably playing it safe to make sure no one could claim it's not sufficient and force a major recall and additional reworking. We do the same thing ourselves at work, because such things are so costly, it's better to impose a little inconvenience on customers than spend all that cost and effort in the event someone gets pedantic.

@2kBofFun

9 ай бұрын

That last sentence was stupid. We as humans need MORE friction and risk, not less. And not friction in the form of annoying screws. I swallowed a 5cm safety-pin as baby, and that delivered a great story, up to today. Just pooped it out. You will poop out these little screws as well. Oh wait... they ADDED screws babies can swallow? Do they seriously think they try to eat AA batteries? Unlike 3V lithium, 1,5V has no effect on gullet tissue.

Not modifying the clicking of rear axle in the new update, is a bit disdapointing. 😕

Zetros is currently available on the UK site at the moment.

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

It's available in most of the countries and at lots of retailers, but you can't really know which version it is. I assume v2 is still not released yet, only the instructions are available.

@medpig04

2 жыл бұрын

@@RacingBrick and the dates are unknown when the updated version 42129 will appear on the shelves?

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

@@medpig04 as I mentioned in the video nothing is confirmed officially, we have to wait and see what happens.

@medpig04

2 жыл бұрын

@@RacingBrick Hope they come back soon. I just wanted to buy a set with electrics control plus, and the sets disappeared from all official sites. On unofficial sites, prices soared to the recommended ones.

:25 - tin foil (well aluminum foil) hats. Classic!

So is the 42100 done? I just got the 42131 for Christmas

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

It'll retire soon, or already retired in certain countries

@1oddtech

2 жыл бұрын

@@RacingBrick Thank you. I'll have to watch the new/used prices and when they come back down to normal I'll buy one.

I use the set normally and the cracking happens.

But I guess it's too late for the Liebherr R9800 ? Should've bought it when I could..

I truly wonder how many (and in what way) kids were harmed by the old screwless hub.....I guess a kid could swallow a battery, which obviously wouldn't be good idea. But even then the batteries would hardly be the biggest danger. Maybe I'm just old, but I keep wondering how I even survived my childhood.... I mean, back then the easiest way to test if there was still some life left in the batteries by putting your tongue against the contacts of the battery box, how have I not been electrocuted by those 4,5 volts?! But seriously, wouldn't it be better to just get rid of the batteries, and instead put in a rechargeable battery that can be charged via USB? So without the need of ever opening that battery compartment? And considering the prices of C+ sets, such a change should easily fit the budget. The one disadvantage would be that such a battery could die after years of use while regular AA cells will probably be around forever, but considering the reliance of C+ on phones and apps, in the long run the availability of replacement batteries will be the least of your problems.

@2kBofFun

9 ай бұрын

There IS a Control+ hub with removable batteries: the Mindstorm/Spike Hub. And it costs 250€. Not a good idea. Ok, you get 2 ports extra and 25 fancy lights, but other than that they are nearly identical. Which brings me to my major compaint on the 51515/Spike hub: the rechargeable battery container contains 2 18650 cells, which are like 5€ a piece. They should have made a Control+ box, with a USB port (for programming and charging) and a screw battery holder container holding 2 user replacable 18650 cells for 50€. Then you only need to use the screws once every 5-10 years, you can program the hubs wired and wireless and the price would be more in line with Brick-link reseller prizing. 80€ for a box that is 20 on Bricklink is rediculous.

3:35 isnt technic mostly 16+ anyway though ?

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

I guess LEGO's age recommendation still doesn't change the fact that it's a toy so laws and regulations still apply

I do not even like the screws for the lid of the Technic hub. It takes a lot of time and not easy at all.

Still waiting for the day when the LEGO hub gets integrated batteries and usb c charging. What a waste of batteries and how inconvenient for a few bucks profit

@BrickTemplar

2 жыл бұрын

Two words. Ikea batteries. Dirt cheap and rechargeable. No need to pay 200 bucks for a hub with a USB and an integrated battery.

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

Proprietary batteries would be expensive to buy, difficult to ship/find and you could only use it for LEGO. AAs are accessible all around the world and can be used with other electronic devices as well. Rechageable AAs are available widely for a fair price nowadays.

Does anybody have a link to the toy-law behind this cursed battery cover change? Luckily I have enough old models, and they are still cheap on Bricklink. The main problem with Lego is that if you write your building instructions for 3 year olds (yes, also the Liebherr crawler crane is written for undeveloped prefrontal cortexes), you get your models treated as kids toys and thus put under stupid screw laws.

If only they were using this "update" to reduce the price... About the cracking sound, I don't know why people don't like it, I mean, the zetros is awfully slow ( and even slower than that ) so except for testing purposes or really dumb driver, you won't go into a wall, right? Also, it could be really cool if Lego use the screw version of the hub to propose an alternative battery system with a battery rather 6 AA batteries, so that we can just charge it and go rather than consuming AA... I saw that a company made a 3D element that is compatible and allow you to do it, but it would be cool if lego was doing it too...

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

Cracking does not only occur if you drive it against the wall, that's simply the quickest way to make it happen. I first noticed it after doing lots of climb tests in a row, so that was a high load but should be considered as normal usage.

At 8:25 you say you will need a new (second) sample to compare, why? Should Lego not provide you with the different parts for free (except the Hub)? They gave you faulty product to beging with, which they clearly acknowledged, otherwise they would not have made so many changes.

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

I had issues with the rear axle, and based on the upgraded manual they did not change anything in that

There's more simple but Lego steel going wrong... They have just to change batteries hub to charging batteries!!!!!

control+ and hub are both a fail. control+ because you cant personalize as it was/is is in powered up. hub can support up to 4 motors so you cant use it for moc (tank,forklift, etc). also the hub cant' manage the XL motor power so limits this as a L motor.

@2kBofFun

9 ай бұрын

They are not. It is a marvel of engineering. You get open source bootloader, 4 dual function ports capable of reading both an I2C sensor and driving servo motors at once, you get full 5.1 Bluetooth with 100m range, a RGB led, 3-axis g-force sensor and proper memory for loading programs for 20€. That is INSANE. Lego only screwed up the controlling software, the firmware is rock solid and open for creativity and fan-made controllers of all sorts. Just stop whining, and code some cool controllers with a Microbit V2 at the heart.

They just copied the set number in 42129.

try the german side

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

For what? As I mentioned it is available in some countries while shown as retired in others.

Hi

Magyarok!!!!

Somehow I hoped the alleged "change" would make the Zetros Not be utter crap anymore. Oh, well.

Bojler eladó

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

Szia uram! Hány literes?

I dont know why am i laughing with the rubber duck at 4:10 :p

김성일

Do you think the rear axle issue is what LEGO intended to design to protect the motor?

@RacingBrick

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think so, it doesn't need this kind of protection, the hub is sensitive enough.

nonsense, complete nonsense. now there will be no quick dotsup to the batteries... it's not convenient. and I want to note that even a quick-release cover is not so easy to remove. I am a person with short nails and it is not so easy for me to open this lid. what can we say about small children.

5th

Bingus, second

First comment?

Great video and findings! Here are the (complete) list of extra and new element parts: 6335378-1; 6258831-1; 4177444-2; 6331574-2; 6331716-2; 6089119-2; 6331723-1; 6252040-1; 6130002-2; 6261374-4; 6310596-2; 4666579-2; new hub. Hope this can be useful.

@medpig04

2 жыл бұрын

Спасибо за список дополнительных деталей.