Money-wise and logistically, having to buy a rulebook and a supplement on day 1 to run mostly basic things is frankly disheartening. The "Wait longer for a fully fleshed-out game with a supplement on release" is an artificial dilemma, I don't see why a core rulebook couldn't include all those units at release, regardless of the miniatures being ready for sale or not. I don't mind at all waiting a couple months more for a better game on release, but this is a red flag for me as to how they seem to intend to run this in a business perspective.

@brianabela4533

9 ай бұрын

No space in the core rulebook for all of the units, they have to put in all of the pretty pictures.

@EchoMirage72

9 ай бұрын

They will do it as long as they can get away with it, which has now been since 8th edition at least.

im hoping that units might come with their own datasheets like the titans in titanicus, so that the game isnt as book intensive.

Playing Epic 40K in the old days is one of my best memories i have about plaing tabletop. i am waiting for this this for two decades

I mean they should have just been in the book to begin with, the fact that they are sectioning off units in this way is shocking and shows that this game is nothing more than a cynical bid to milk us for every last penny which really is disheartening and makes me suspicious about how good the game will be

@Helghast73

9 ай бұрын

I can’t wait for it but they look to be maximizing on how to drag every bit of coin out the punter. More fleshed out product is the way to go but we all know it’s going to come as extra purchases 🤷🏻‍♂️

Land raiders and bikes being in an expansion book is a bit lame. I went through this with Titanicus, having to carry around a book for my Legio rules, two more for my maniples, another if I wanted to run my psi-titan, and the rule book. I don't think I'd mind so much if marines were the only initial release and Solar Auxilia were in the expansion book. Supplements adding new factions is much easier to swallow.

GW looked at the pc/console gaming industry and saw how much money it was making from unfinished games and found it could be applied to tabletop gaming too. They know that people like this guy will buy the books and models no matter what they do. THEN when GW's shitty business practices are called those same lame people will defend GW for it, and even go so far as to shill for the "investors and employees". Quite honestly it's disgusting.

I'm afraid that this will be a precedent and from now on, every major game release will have units and rules taken out from the core rulebook so they can sell a Day 1 DLC.

@aidanquiett668

9 ай бұрын

You cant really take things out of a rulebook when the book doesnt exist. They planned an expansion to come out months later so they could have a full release without production issues from lack of production space, and that just got pushed into 1 release wave

@MarquisLaFayette

9 ай бұрын

@aidanquiett668 Of course you can take things out of a rulebook before it's released. Because we're not talking about super special expansion units here. Jetbikes are core units in the Heresy setting (not talking about rules here, but about them being prevalent and iconic). They're basically Tactical Squads for White Scars. If the first set of rules released without Tactical Squads and they sold you the rules on the next day, it's obvious that the only reason they weren't included ist precisely because they wanted to sell you two books instead.

The game being delayed to release a better product is fine, but I'm sick of GW milking its customers for money - The fact this supplement was ready to go that soon after the planned initial release means that the original product wasn't complete

Wait so you buy the box set, and it’s a summarized rules book, or is it the actual rules book, but you don’t have all the units in the book and have to keep buying supplement books as the units are released?

Is there any proof that all of these boxes & books will drop at the same time?

I do t want war hammer to be like recent video games. Lots of dlc to make it a functioning game. Give me a game that’s fully fleshed out to begin with. Then extras later are just an exciting bonus not an essential to play the damn game. Take a leaf out of balders gate 3!

No not really, you still have to buy multiple rule books just to play 1 faction due to awful business practices, but now you don’t have to wait to get scammed. There is also the issue of what does this mean for future releases - will there be a large wait for further releases as they’ve combined the release and second wave?

Having two mostly painted 3d printed forces (I printed it before they even announced LI as I wanted to try out Epic) that are Land Raider heavy plus include a Fellblade and a Glaive I am kind of relieved these stats might be coming out with or close to the main release. Seeing how limited in units the original leaks were was kind of a bummer.

@Pacific81x

9 ай бұрын

I still find the prospect of a base game launching without the Land Raider hilarious.

@Keseleth

9 ай бұрын

@@Pacific81x certainly. I don't think the release model GW opted for portends longevity. Seems more like they just want to get money from the hyped up initial release and in half a year they will go to absolute minimum of a support. But given that I already have the bulk of models I need and I play just with friends, rather than at FLGS or events I am fine with just getting the rules.

If that's how they roll, I'll be really disappointed. I was hoping for a "sane" release schedule for LI so I could take some time building/painting and learning the rules, but it seems in order to "catch up" they want to dump everything at the same time, and if we want / need to space our purchases we then run the risk of the game failing to restock in a typical GW way, especially with WH the Old World looming on the horizon. And that's even without commenting on drop pods/Land Raiders/Land Speeders being in an extension in a game about Space Marines...

Not even the units you need to field the formations are available at launch the majority of stuff is missing this is hard

What makes you think the supplement will come out on release or shortly after instead of delaying the supplement by the same period of time.?

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Logistics. If the rulebook was the only delay due to misprints and errors. That means GW has a lot of warehouse space being taken up that they'll want to clear sooner rather than later.

God, I really hope this is true.

Can't wait to lug around 6 books just for the rules for the legion units...

I'm getting this but Warhammer: The Horus Heresy Legions Imperialis is the clunkiest title ever conceived. And the rules for those units should've been in the core book. Can't believe they're making us buy additional books to field iconic units like Land Raiders and drop pods.

@Tabletop_Standard

9 ай бұрын

AKA.... LIMP

I hope we end of getting the legion glaive!

Honestly, the delay has killed what small interest there was in this game here. It might recover, there is one regular who has already invested in Titanicus/Aeronautica in preparation for it. But really...the game feels so redundant, especially when Horus Heresy already covers pretty decent large scale. A battalion of tanks is cool....but less so when it comes in a single box and fits in the palm of your hand, I guess? I dunno, but I want it to just come out so we can be done of the long drawn out teasers. As for HOW it comes out, hard to say, I don't really trust GW to have a perfect release because that would be best done with free and easy to read through rules. If they do massive, expensive books and/or constant extra stuff spread out everywhere like Necromunda....hard to say how far the game will even go.

All of this could have been in one book. They half arsed it just doing HH from the start, they're just doing the usual GW crap of book upon book.

How would anyone know has anyone actually played it.

When this game was previewed I got pretty interested. But with all this dividing stuff to different books I have lost all interest. I might check out some battlereports but by large this is a skip.

The game should have always been pushed back until everything but legion specific units could have been included in the main book. No announcement of the system until they had that. The need to chance quarterly earning by drip feeding etc is ruinous

Just clicked on this video to simply answer: Oh hell no. In normal situations, or in our lovely modern world, abnormal cases, things that are delayed are polished up. In GW's case with LI, this is very clearly not the case. They recalled the books to make a minor edit at best, and are releasing suppliments to the core book that 100% should be in the core book, either that or have everything in a single army book. That is already a bad sign. Everything will be as expensive, or more expensive as their other Warhammer products (Looking at their now dead game, Airenautica, and Titanicus,) So that means many people will falll off quickly after launch for how pricey the game is. I don't see the game succeeding, especially when 3D printers can print Epic armies, and have been for...a LONG time.

The box is a terrible starting point. Not one transport to be seen. So yeah if that was their plan it was a terrible one.

DAY ONE DLC B!TCHES! :) I guess the people that bought pretty horse armour in Elder Scrolls Oblivion will be happy with it!

The only part of this that matters is the delay, kick the old world right in the balls and pushed in from November to February 2024.

Don't be silly, the delay isn't long enough for much to be changed.

The answer is no. Simple.

They are becoming unnecessarily money hungry and have completely unjustified price hikes for the rest of their product