Hey Randall, greetings from Australia! I own a US GI Woodlands camo poncho liner, a Snugpak Jungle Bag & a Helikon Tex Swagman Roll. Each have their pros & cons. I agree that if you pay for something, you shouldn't need to do more to it, but in my opinion it's worth "modding" something if it makes it more versatile. Years ago, I modified my poncho liner (As suggested by Ranger Rick Tscherne) by putting in a full length zipper, a velcro sealed "head hole" & a cinch cord around the top. This turned my poncho liner into a lightweight sleeping bag, quit or hammock underquilt & allowed me to wear it under my poncho, keeping the cold polyethylene off my body. Unfortunately poncho liners aren't very tough & wind passes straight through. I have tied toggles on the tie outs (Like the Helikon Tex Swagman Roll) this allows me to rapidly attach/detach it from my poncho. I have owned it for 30 years, love this piece of kit & still use it to this day! Several years ago I bought the SnugPak Jungle Bag. I liked it because it's already zippered, has a built in mosquito net & can be used as a sleeping bag or opened up for use as a quilt or hammock underquilt. Unfortunately it doesn't have the "tie outs" as you mentioned & a "head hole" would be needed if you wanted to wear it like a poncho. I use similar tarp clamps with bungees when utilizing it as a hammock underquilt. Recently I bought a Helikon Tex Swagman Roll. It's well thought out & has many good features making it extremely versatile. HOWEVER, when the sides are zipped together to make a sleeping bag it's waaaay too tight to be comfortable in. This isn't a problem when using a poncho liner or Jungle Bag. Mick Jagger was right! "You can't always git what you want," so I guess, it is what it is. That's my ramble. Keep up the great work. Look forward to your future videos

@GruntProof

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@phh2400

Жыл бұрын

If you would get a poncho liner from Holland army (woodland, not DPM), it would be with zipper out of the army surplus. They are a bit heavier than USGI, tougher windproof nylon and more of isolation layer, so it is also warmer.. and also it is a bit bigger (for my 195cm, I can sleep inside, not something a usgi can do for me comfortably even with the boots out, too narrow). Swagman with apex but in this size.. that would be something. Most of the liners do not have a head hole, too bad. But my understanding is that it was originally never ment to be used under poncho in a walking style, just as a liner for a light sleeping bag. I have also read that sometimes in the vietnam, the spec ops "tiger-stripes" used the liner on top of the poncho, not under.. to break the unnatural shape of poncho and flat and bit too much shiny olive coloring, with the liner camouflage pattern. Not sure how true is that.

@claymoresteel

16 сағат бұрын

I've found that the jungle bag works nicely as a cocoon pod on a hammock. Slide it up over yourself and the hammock then cinch the top. Cozy as

I never heard a poncho liner referred to by that other name. My first experience with one was in 1986 on our missile site in Germany. I found one in a wall locker and I was hooked. It's probably my most favorite piece of gear that I acquired. It's been washed so many times that it feels like silk now. It has been with me to the field, MOS schools and was the first item on my packing list for southwest Asia. Thanks for the comparison.

Some very good information here. Called it a poncho liner '76-80, 84-87. I don't get to wrapped up in the woobie vs. poncho liner -just wrap myself up in them. I have three. When they come out for afternoon nap, the retriever dogs come running! I was impressed with the hammock set up and versatility of the poncho liner.

Airborne Infantry here. I used the terms "woobie" and "poncho liner" interchangeably depending on the situation at hand.

22 years in the Army in infantry, Airborne Infantry, and SOF right here. I’ve heard some of the hardest hitting Airborne Rangers and SF dudes call it a woobie with real life deadly combat deployments. I’ve heard some call it a poncho liner. To each their own. It’s a dang woobie that’s a poncho liner.

Excellent review. I have both and love both. I modified my JB with para cord loops at each corner and about every 9” in between, as well as a separating zipper on 3 sides. Can be used as a makeshift sleeping bag (for temperate/warm weather), underquilt (my primary use), a plain old blanket like it was designed, or tied up as a sun shade or fly for mild rains. Now I plan to do the same to my poncho liner as it’s sentimental to me.

Army Infantryman here, we definitely call it a woobie

I like the jungle blanket a lot but my advice is don't bother with the original size get the extra large version. I use it with both my summer sleeping bag and also my winter sleeping bag as an added layer of warmth if I need it and I just et in the sleeping bag and tuckit around me and I am as snug as a bug in a rug

@bowdiersackett6433

Жыл бұрын

Definitely get the XL, it is a great item

Catching up on some of your older vids and was happy to see you mention that you won't call it a woobie. When I retired in 99 I'd never even heard the term, but my son-in-law is active guard and when he seen mine he called it that. I thought about beating his ass, but got over it since he gets me all the 123 batteries and "surplus" gear I could possibly ever need. The hot ticket in Germany back in the 80's was having a poncho liner sewn into a wet weather jacket. That was pre-gortex days.

I used my poncho liner while camping this last winter and it kept me warmer than anything else I had with me, but I do like how you showed how to use it with a hammock.

I own a poncho and a liner but rarely use either. I'll typically take rain gear and sleeping bag. But I am up north.

Nice Randall. Interesting that the snugpak blocks the wind better. Looking forward to the summer's tests. Nate

My great uncle was a ranger and first got his poncho liner in the late 70s. I was told it was a term that started popping up in the 80s and didn't get to be common until the late 90s and it started as something to make fun of soliders laying around wrapped up like kids in security blankets but grew into a term of affection especially in the early 2000s. Like the guy that works my local surplus store was a grunt and he only calls it a woobie. So it's probably unit to unit culture and maybe it's past your time.

@GruntProof

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting

Exactly the vid I was looking for. Thanks..

There is nothing like a real life comparison. I think the Snugpak has a slight advantage in materials. That said, I would opt for a heavy wool blanket for its overall superior properties. Thank you!

@GruntProof

2 жыл бұрын

True. Thanks

@makinganoise6028

Жыл бұрын

A 100% wool blanket is getting expensive, does get heavy when wet, I've got both, the Jungle Blanket XL is light and great in damp climates, however, for jumpers, cant beat merino wool, very light, doesnt smell when you have been wearing it for days and very warm.

I have a snugpac jungle blanket. As soon as I get it out, my dogs are there in a flash to lay on it! there are ways around a lack of ties etc on the blanket just like the liner, which doesn't damage it. Finally, I find it surprisingly warm for its thickness and size. Well impressed with it and worth the money. Oh, and it copes really well with dog paws etc!

I use a jungle blanket XL as a hammock underblanket, some bungee cord tied in the corners, had it down to 5C, with a sleeping bag. For summer in the UK can get away with a Jungle blanket in the hammock too, no sleepng bag, I've used in the tent too, if you have a decent pad it will be good for about 12C, a down blanket or bag is going to be lighter, but the JB is better in damp conditions

I still have my 1st pl from 72 or 73 when I was part of a SAR unit in Hawaii. Many years later, it went with me to the Arctic circle . I also had a liner for the M65 jacket made of the same stuff. Somewhere along the line, I heard it called a woobie . I recently picked up several more at a surplus store outside a USMC base. They called it a pl or woobie (2022 ).

My main issue with the snug pack jungle blanket is its too short. needs to be about 1ft longer. It is warmer/better, but my feet keep falling out.

@kravmaga501

Жыл бұрын

Buy the XL version. Jungle blanket XL is hands down better then the poncho liner as far as warmth.

Great video, well done.

I use military buttons sewn on each of my tie out points on my woobie. I alter most things because I think too much and too many ideas lol. Thank you for the cool videos. I use the Ranger roll system I learned from you. Minus the wool blanket I want to try alpaca though. Hammock is a great way to get off of the cold wet Minnesota ground. Thank you for serving!

@GruntProof

8 ай бұрын

Good idea

Ah, very nice bear burrito. If there were bears in Germany.

i had snugpak jungle bag for about 7 years. more versatile than jungle blanket (same materials, but it is a sleeping bag which unzipped becomes just blanket). these are for summer or for tropics, not cold temps. specifically for hammock i would go with snugpak cocoon though. cocoon is good for 3 seasons, but for winter must combine with sleeping bag....

Whew! I thought it was me. During my time on Bragg during the 80's and early 90's, I never heard it called a woobie. I still have my poncho liner issued in 1985, a bit worn now.

I was infantry and in both the army and the USMC. Woobie was definitly common vernacular in the Army.

@tzoninghard2425

Жыл бұрын

some wooks and paris island marines would also call it a woobie while I only heard it called poncho liner from boot and mct and most of the time after.

@UncleVoodoo

Жыл бұрын

I’m ex army infantry too, I never heard it being called a “woobie” until I heard it on KZread. To us it was always just the “poncho liner”.

Hi, thanks for this video. Extremely helpful in my research for the perfect sleep system. Could you tag the video with the black clips used? For fastening the snug XL without destroying its integrity? Would love to grab some of those

Woobie = Jackalope - No-one really knows what is is or where it comes from. I've only recently heard "woobie" mentioned in videos, never heard it uttered IRL. Thanks for the great content man.

In Restrepo (a documentary about US soldiers in afghanistan) I noticed one of them referring to the woobie (presumably meaning the poncho liner). It was something like "crawl back into your woobie". So the term was actually used there.

On my SnugPak, I recently installed 4 "musket ball" tie-offs, one per corner. These can be then used to attach the blanket to gear as needed (using your tie down of choice) without compromising its structural integrity.

@GruntProof

2 жыл бұрын

Great idea

@richardschafer7858

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

You had me at, POG. You are funny

I love the snugpak when it’s a little colder, it’s great for that. Feels warmer than the poncho liner. It is different in size and no tie offs so can’t use with the poncho easily. But for the summer a poncho liner is where it’s at. I’ll never give up mine. Bought a used one on eBay so I could turn it in instead of mine lol

You are absolutley right on the "PONCHO LINER".. I've never heard it called a woobie. 11B (1983-2000) 19D (2000-2006)

It was always a poncho liner...I may not have heard woobie until I started watching YT just a couple of years ago. I still have one from the 80's, have used it as a sleeping bag, weather permitting, and an underquilt but I actually had it tied into the poncho as well so it was quite windproof. Used thin shock cord to suspend it. Swagman Roll is much better in almost every way. Except price!

I like my US Army poncho liner, have used it for extra warmth inside my sleeping bag. Always wondered about the Snugpak Jungle Blankets, I don't hammock camp, so I was wondering how good they would be for warm weather camping in a tent. But here in the summer, it can be 80 degrees in the day and low 50's at night. I like that Snugpak is compact as hell and lightweight. Would be perfect for my medium Alice pack or my large Alice.

Love your videos, keep them coming. What hammock were you using in this video?

@GruntProof

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Some old cheap one with a bug net from Amazon

Do you use a ridge line to support a bug? Excellent comparison Thank you!

You can use a small smooth rock and a cord with a slip knot to make temp tie lines. Just wrap the rock in the corner of the cloth and slip the knot over it and pull tight.

Would like to see you review the, swagman roll vs Woobie Great classic video

Good review , thanks for sharing ,God bless !

@GruntProof

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Hey Randall, I was at Bragg from '95-'99 and the only time I heard the terms "woobie" is when a grunt was whining and we were blowing him *hit. Good stuff, stay safe.

@GruntProof

2 жыл бұрын

😂

i wonder if you could tie the actual poncho as well under and with the liner to block the wind.

I haven't tested it in cold weather but the Huncho hooded poncho liner zips up like a proper bag liner . Doug Shoe Bushcraft in NH uses his in the White mountains so it must be pretty good .

Could you use both, the poncho liner inside the jungle blanket, would doing that make it suitable for cold weather?

Spent my entire career in 2nd Ranger Battalion, and around other SOF units the entire time. Only people I ever heard refer to a woobie as a poncho liner were CIF civilians lol.

@richardhenry1969

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely, but i was in when we still had Ft Benning and RIP Ranger school had Benning, Dahlonega,Dugway, Florida. No Self respecting ranger would ask for a woobie. You'd never have heard the end of that.

@liwojenkins

3 ай бұрын

I was in BCO 3rd bat from 94-98, we absolutely did call it a woobie and though it was hilarious. The RIs called it that too as far as I remember. None of us were concerned about anyone giving us crap, cause we would just find a way to rearrange their attitude, sometimes with a dogpile. We were a combat company though and training companies tend to take themselves way more seriously to overcompensate.

What's that woodland camo roll attached to your pack?

Its a woobie damn it!!! Vietnam veteran DIs taught us that term in '83. Thanks to a big burly black Cajun named SFC Smith for everything he taught me that wasn't in a manual.

I have been using my helicon tex swagman roll as a under quilt and it seems to work well also.

Great stuff!

Another video that does not pop up on my subscriptions page, I even have notifications on and it doesn't do anything

@davestuddert4392

3 жыл бұрын

Same here

@indycharlie

3 жыл бұрын

@@davestuddert4392 Same same .

@GruntProof

3 жыл бұрын

Damn man

@gskater87

3 жыл бұрын

i have the same issue! i unsubscribed and subscribed again -> no changes i never get a notification and also don´t see the videos in my subscriptions

@indycharlie

3 жыл бұрын

@@gskater87 Same , and weird . In that I do get them for Demo Ranch , Paul Harrell & another Gun based channel . Yes , I know this is not Gun based . Was trying to cover what Team PC hates the most . Weird !!

I like ur setup looks very useful

Interesting observation about the wind. Seems to be a bigger issue these days. At least in the midwest.

Where does one get the clip doohickies you use on the jungle blanket?

@GruntProof

11 ай бұрын

I just searched for tarp clamps or clips

I live the Poncho linear. I use it 15 Years in the German Army as Panzergrenadier. But Loopings for the woopie with Zipper arround but can’t find it. LG Uwe

1978, and I never saw a poncho liner so, not sure what year or what units had the privilege but three yrs and never seen one

I was infantry. I never heard the term woobie until recently. But i was in probably 12-15 years before you. I cannot bring myself to call it that and still laugh when I hear grown men do it.

I've always use my mss on the ground but really thinking about trying a hammock setup, what hammock are you using?

@GruntProof

3 жыл бұрын

I have many but this is one of those cheap amazon ones with a bug net

@MrMigido

3 жыл бұрын

@@GruntProof turn it upside down and slip a thin car screen heat reflector(some are more pliable than others) between mesh and the hammock, zip up. Rolls and folds ok for trucking and under back insulation is set from get go. The current screen in mine will have been there three years, but only gets used once twice a month at most, I'm thinking of customising and tailoring two matching screens to get a snugger fit around the shoulders..... lol.. No snow here etc though, NZ avg winter temp 10°c in my location👍

I always bring a space blanket, 55 gallon industrial bag. Rolled up piece of cardboard for my mat. Minimized

It's not a proper one if it isn't sewn together...it's just a poncho and liner...or at least that's what some commanders used to think. Depending on your unit, commanders might authorize one in lieu of a sleeping bag, Spring or Fall--but it had to be sewn across the bottom and halfway up the open side as well, so trips downrange for seam tape and stitching. And you still packed a poncho and poncho liner for obvious reasons. Some had velcro sown into their ponchos and liners and that seemed to pass muster with some officers who liked the idea of shedding weight in rucks. But then some new Captain would come along and light 'em up about "The enemy will hear that velcro ripping a mile away..." It was cyclic. The roll and additional poncho/liner were popular in the Gulf War, when we went to Panama for Jungle Warfare school, and along the DMZ in Korea. So, mostly when you were away from Division/Battalion/Company, or seconded to other units. That was my experience as an Infantryman in the 80's and 90's.

3 sml bits a stiky bk velcro n u can mek temp footbox on a jungle blanket / woobie or a snugpak insulated poncho liner .. and theres ways w a cpl lazzy bands or elasteek hair bands :)

Ah yes the poncho liner, a Marines Blanky. I can not confirm or deny that I didn’t return a few certain items to CIF when I EAS’ed. Poncho liner…. Was definitely one of them!

It was an Infantryman in 1997 named Jamie McDaniel of Sarasota Florida who began calling his poncho liner a "woobie" based upon the 1980s comedy Mr Mom starring Michael Keaton. The term , like all things, disseminated through the Army via word of mouth. . . But most Infantrymen still called it a poncho liner in my generation though the term of endearment began in my generation of Army Infantry. Jamie McDaniel also affectionately called his rifle Medusa.

I have sleep system that is for spring/summer and darn warm, snug pak jungle bag, snugpak sleeping bag liner, and snug pak special forces bivy, with a camo kylmet sleep pad, throw that under a poncho and goodnight irene, not sure how low it will go but 11C and rain and snug as bug.

Greetings from across the pond, enjoyed your video a lot, I have subscribed. Did you do a follow up video to this?

@GruntProof

Жыл бұрын

totally forgot but I will soon

NEVER heard woobie, 6 years in the USMC grunts

I bet if you put some reflectors insulation between your hammock and under blanket it would keep you toasty warm.

You pointed out the clear winner as soon as you mentioned that the Snugpak has no tie-down system (grommets, etc). Thanks.

I was a grunt in the early 80s and we called them poncho liners. Never knew what the hell a woobie was🤔

@GruntProof

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂

Randall, I mean it depends on weather, the outside temperature and climatic conditions. In summer and high humidity, it looks different than in late fall, winter and early spring. Greetings from Frankfurt.

Literally everyone I know from my 12 years in the military (most of which was in the SOF community) calls it a woobie.

Well, the measurements you ran over the video says the Snugpak was 6.3' side, that makes it 16" wider than the poncho liner. Just 'maybe' that is why the Sungpak comes up higher over the hammock than the poncho liner, like maybe 8" higher each side?

those office supply binder clips might be just the thing to cinch the blanket up at the top

i bought my poncho liner new. It unravels the tiny strong threads mercilessly. Quite annoying, and a possible cut hazard. Any one have any ideas to stop this, pls?

What are those clips at 6:00 called and where might I be able to get them?

@GruntProof

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry I don't know. They were sent to me

@monoXcide01

2 жыл бұрын

I think I might have found them. Either way, thanks for the quick reply! EasyKlip 4101 Midi Tarp Clip, 4-Pack, Black a.co/6mL4D7e

Very nice .. I use the jungle blanket inside my hammock with the Snugpak cocoon. And I was thinking about making a summer cocoon out of a jungle blanket xl ... Your video is kinda proof that my idea should work fine .. Did u use the regular or xl version of the jungle blanket ? .. Great video Like always .

@GruntProof

3 жыл бұрын

Regular. Thanks!

"And I never will so get over it" 😂😂😂❤

Grunt proof, love the idea. Have you considered Helikon Tex poncho liner? Corporals corner did a nice piece on this.

@GruntProof

2 жыл бұрын

I've done two videos on it: kzread.info/dash/bejne/amicyKqne9W0d9I.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/c2R90aWTZsibeJM.html

@Growmechanic

2 жыл бұрын

I forgot I already watched it. I seen that I already liked it! Great job at the car wash sir!

In the mid 80's, I was in the Army and it wasn't called a woobie then either..... They made a good sewn-in rain jacket liners too.

how to find out this thinks on 5:40, how it is called?

@GruntProof

Жыл бұрын

Tarp clips

6mins in u got a link f those clips? hmm kl

I found a Mil-Tec poncho liner on Amazon for €22 not sure yet if it's grunt proof but looks pretty good so far and for that money it's a bargain! Bag it comes in is a joke can hardly get it out, never will go back in, so maybe buy a dry bag too, which is at also waterproof too.

I don’t recall it ever hearing it called a woobie either… maybe after I got out… I was a POG too. But ol Doc was there samie same with you when the fur was flying

For much colder conditions , place your Bivy inside the hammock.

The woobie will always reign supreme; for so it is written, and so it shall be But in all seriousness, there are many good, similar products on the market these days. Never hurts to have options. On a related discussion, I always heard the poncho liner referred to as a woobie both as a scout and as a tanker. Many great and fond memories made under mine (what, you thought I gave it back to CIF?), and some not-so-great ones as well

@GruntProof

2 жыл бұрын

I honestly never liked it

They called it a woobie 2/75 RGR in the mid 90s.

I was a grunt 76-82, never heard a poncho liner referred to as a woobie in those days.

I was in the navy. I just slept in the woods in November in a marine zip up poncho liner. It was fine in the freezing cold weather but of course I was in the navy

I like to tie the woobie diagonally and use the flaps to pull over me like a blanket.

What rucksack is that in this video?

@GruntProof

3 жыл бұрын

MOLLE Medium

The best liner out there is made by Group1 Equipment. The Jungle is better than the USGI liner. But it will be interesting to see your experience

Is there a name on those black clamps?

@GruntProof

2 жыл бұрын

They're just called tarp clamps

I prefer the kifaru woobie, not cheap but it's really warm.

You can compare the insulation values of each by putting a container of warm water in each and checking the temperatures. If you could rig a space blanket, it would prevent loss of heat by radiation.

@GruntProof

2 жыл бұрын

That's a great idea

68-71 FRG & RVN . Never heard the PL called a whoobie , or whoopie ,or whatever the hell they are saying . I remember the first Tube vid I saw someone hold one up and say , they really like the Woobie , or Doobie , W/E . I replayed it a few times a thought . I can just see me & my team calling it that . Never happen !! I have both . The LP is good and bad , love / hate the tie off lines . JB is a good , extra for a bag . Insider , old , hard charger tip . Chip clips brother . They will do the deed . Be safe out there .. gubs

New challenger: Kifaru - woobie doobie - grunt proof? Best woobie upgrade / replacement?

@GruntProof

2 жыл бұрын

The poncho liner is fine for what it does. And because it's so cheap I wouldn't even try another item. The only blanket that compares is the Jungle Blanket from Snugpak.

If you put the poncho liner in a poncho and use it the way you did with the Jungle Blanket, it would block the wind, I guess.

I bought poncho liners for my girls when they were babies, they call them woobies... totally different source. 😆

@kevinroche3334

5 ай бұрын

Actually, same source I'm guessing

Why not join both for extra heat?

As to name, former Army REMF, I never heard term woobie while in service. It was always a poncho liner. Must be a post Desert Storm term.

@GruntProof

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe the millennial nomenclature? I've honestly heard the term more from civilians

@jamescrowe7892

3 жыл бұрын

@@GruntProof Same here.

I really like snugpak. Scrolling i ser you done a video in the stratosphere and it failed? Ill have to watch it and see if you had the same problem i had. It was honestly a great piece of kit for me, but i ended up switching over to the improved USMC bivvy.

@GruntProof

2 жыл бұрын

It's ok but too thin an definitely not waterproof like they claim

@craighauk3745

2 жыл бұрын

@@GruntProof Can confirm! The usmc bivvy seems to be doing much better.

I was with the 1st Bat 75th Ranger battalion in 77 and yes it was referenced as a woobie or a poncho liner depends on who you talked to but I would say all new what the name refered to, it might not sound manly but that does not change the facts.