That study that looked at old car ICE cabling methods and old ICE cabling methods applied to EV's saying that would require many copper mines to be opened up and therefore the industry should focus on hybrids is a poster child example of a paid study to come to the conclusion that hybrids should be the future. If it really was a non-biased study looking to for the best methods going forward given resources then they would pick the cabling of the CyberTruck Etherloop as the strategy. The greatly reduced cabling of zone based controllers which massively reduce wire runs and then the 48 volt system to reduce wire size would be the far better way to be resource wise. This also saves on car weight which allows greater efficiency which again saves on resources even more. But if you want the answer to be hybrids, then the answer could be hybrids though the reality is that hybrids might keep legacy auto around for just a bit, if they don't get off their butt and get to EV then they will be extinct and that will be a good thing. Doing a study on cable resources for the old method is just a waste of time and money which should go toward the future. Since, they clearly don't want the future, they should just give up now and save us the conflict of interest studies that are just shit noise.

@BTC_Minarchist

13 күн бұрын

💯

@nguyep4

13 күн бұрын

Those studies are there to confuse the public and sway opinion from EV. That is the game they play among many others.

@paulc6766

13 күн бұрын

Developing nations will not need a grid and can go straight to local solar. This will save on all the supposed copper.

@jamesvandamme7786

13 күн бұрын

Hybrids don't use copper? News to me.

@slavko321

12 күн бұрын

It can also be simpler, if you're holding a hammer everything looks like a nail. That's why elons approach to reduce everything to the most basic level makes sense.

Regarding Tesla, you forgot to add that shareholders recently overweeningly re-approved Musk's original pay package that was struck down in Delaware. Because of this, nothing was saved by these attorneys, so anything they are payed is fully a loss to Tesla shareholders.

@Tommytwotone762

13 күн бұрын

Autoline missing critical points on purpose or just lazy??

@bobbybishop5662

13 күн бұрын

The recent vote does not have to be recognized by the judge. Neither Musk or the lawyers should receive these payouts .

@JoelSapp

13 күн бұрын

@@Tommytwotone762 It doesnt make the story as salacious. The lawyers won but there was no value returned to the shareholders. They revoted again for the same thing. Proves that there was no harm - especially because there are significantly more anti-Musk shareholders now then there were back then.

@JoelSapp

13 күн бұрын

​@@bobbybishop5662 The judge could do anything she wants but will most likely (not my opinion but legal talking heads) be overturned in a higher court. She was hanging on the fact that they didnot tell shareholders that their board wasn't independent enough. Those excuses can't be said again. I am not putting it past her tho.

@otavongryf1379

13 күн бұрын

They already reported on the tesla vote in earlier videos

A group of shareholders?? ONE lousy immoral shareholder and some parasite attorneys.

@michaelterrazas1325

13 күн бұрын

A corrupt, immoral, parasitic law firm duped a single ignorant shareholder that he could score. FTFY

@JamesR1986

13 күн бұрын

Elon is not going to have sex with you.

@davidpearn5925

13 күн бұрын

@@Mrbfgray tax avoiders claiming the moral high ground. Some can't be saved from themselves.

@bnd123us

12 күн бұрын

Don't forget that partisan hack of a delaware judge.

@ 12:12 I'm looking forward to all the electrical voltages going to 48 volts and the *CANBUS* going to redundant Gigabit Ethernet cables. (And run the cable on *_both_*_ sides_ of the vehicle rather the method *Tesla* is using in the *CyberTruck* of redundant cables _overlaid_ atop each other.)

@Chamieiniibet

12 күн бұрын

But isn't Tesla using a ring? Exactly because of that.

"Not enough copper because of EVs" says International Energy Forum based in SAUDI ARABIA.

@PerErikKarlsson

12 күн бұрын

Yea, feels like they lake some source critic when quoting "research".

@alanmay7929

12 күн бұрын

no they didnt say that lol!!!! stop lying so pathetically.

@alanmay7929

12 күн бұрын

@@PerErikKarlsson lol......

Not enough copper, then why is Rio Tinto stock in the basement?

I can think of a couple closed copper mines in AZ that still have copper but at the time weren't profitable.

I'm really enjoying all the Stellantis news lately, eaven the not so good news like today's report. It really sucks how they've been doing lately but as someone thats bleeds Hemi orange I still wanna hear about it. Thank you Autoline! 👍

"Stock" EV races might actually be interesting again, if they went back to the historical basis of NASCAR, and ran STOCK EVs. It would be interesting to see what manufacturers would come up with if the designs went back to a "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday" design incentive. The engineers would certainly get a kick out of being turned loose to get performance and durability experience out of racing their car designs. Tesla roadster vs Porsche Taycan vs Hyundai N vs E-Corvette could be a real draw for the younger fans, uninterested in watching noisy, smelly, obsolete ICE racers that bear no resemblance to their 4-cyl twin-turbocharged, but still anemic, street versions sold at dealerships.

Newsflash: There's never enough current supply of materials for the future of a growing economy.

@elvinthalund5193

13 күн бұрын

So true, and the answer that was given is just stay with what we got (hybrids), go figure!

@who2u333

13 күн бұрын

Cobalt, then lithium, now copper. The electric grid can't handle the load, highway barriers can't deal with 6,000# vehicles. It's always something. Today doesn't work for tomorrow. Duh!

@snookmeister55

13 күн бұрын

Just think what Edison faced when there was no grid. It's dumb stuff.

@davidmccarthy6061

13 күн бұрын

Right. Always some lag there for new mining and other productions to catch up with the new needs.

@alanmay7929

12 күн бұрын

who said that?

As an educator with no real background in automobiles besides my grandparents small shop, I feel as if I could run Chrysler better than what's been going on with them for well over 20 years.

@rp9674

13 күн бұрын

U got my vote

A Robo taxi running maybe 16 hour a day and doing 100,000 miles / 160,000 kilometers a year can replace 5 to 7 cars that spend 90-95% of their time parked.

@rkan2

10 күн бұрын

Probably even more if you consider people who would be the first to get rid of their cars, e.g. the ones who drive even less than the average. Say less than 10000km/year, so you could be replacing double the the cars when extrapolating from just driven distance. In reality it is probably much more.

Thanks for the links to your articles. I'll catch John's article later. Cheers,

stellantis usa is finally realizing how bad there line up is.

@rp9674

13 күн бұрын

Stillanus

Racing is the only use case for swappable batteries. Nascar will have to adopt this. NIO?

@dertythegrower

13 күн бұрын

No. It is faster than fueling a diesel truck... you do not know this?

@steven4315

13 күн бұрын

So why are Gogoro and other battery swapping companies doing so well? Scooters and motorcycles seem a perfect use for swappable batteries. Here in the US motorcycles and scooters are toys but in Asia and Africa, they work for a living.

@alanmay7929

12 күн бұрын

@@dertythegrower its not faster than fueling a diesel truck, a diesel truck can literaly have up to 3-4x the range of the electric version lol!!! fuelling isnt even a problem with ICE.

@alanmay7929

12 күн бұрын

@@steven4315 for asia and africa its going to work very well as long as people doesnt steal the batteries.

@alanlight7740

12 күн бұрын

NASCAR could move directly to wireless charging from sources buried in the track.

@ 8:38 *ArAmCo* sees the *_earnings cliff_* looming in their future as we stop just setting their product on fire and are diversifying. The demand for their products will settle down to a far more manageable level that will make far more efficient use of oil and need far less maintenance.

@alanmay7929

12 күн бұрын

bullshit!!! they are always going to sell alot of oil and gas, in fact your EVs wont exist, let alone renewables, infrastructures like roads, bridges, railroad, rockets, ships..... all the millions of oil byproducts used literally everywhere.

Great to see you back, keep up with great work bringing us news from automotive industry 😊😊❤

Higher voltage neans less copper , who wouldda thought dat🤔.

@alanmay7929

12 күн бұрын

litterally everyone knows about that thats not the problem! the problem is switching to the voltage, in europe they have had 24volts in bigger vehicles and trucks which america doesnt even have lol!!!

9 күн бұрын

That's why all EV's use 400 and 800 volt electrical systems, not 48.

Welcome back Sean!

I love the idea of an electric Nascar, but no one will go to the races if it isn't stupidly loud. And fake engine noise is even worse than no noise at all. Some hook has to be developed to make EV racing exciting and exhilarating. I don't know what that is. Death race 2000?

@concinnus

13 күн бұрын

Mario Kart abilities.

@dertythegrower

13 күн бұрын

they already do electric racing, even f1 racing has it

@alanmay7929

12 күн бұрын

@@dertythegrower f1 doesnt have it its called FE and its not the same.

Maybe add links to sponsors? eg "Deep" link to Intrepid Control Systems neoVI RED 2. Just an idea.

@ 9:39 Holy [expletive]! 1,300 horses. That will mean speeds will have to be electronically limited or racetracks will have to be redesigned to the higher speeds. (i hope it's going to be the latter.)

Electric NASCAR might finally perfect battery hot swapping. Many possibilities with this.

@alanmay7929

12 күн бұрын

who is going to watch that? thats the question.

Dont see how Waymo can scale with all those sensors costing damn near as much as the car does.

@CorwinPatrick

13 күн бұрын

More. Supposedly around $150,000 in sensors and computers.

@alanmay7929

12 күн бұрын

are you a witch?!

Aramco previously purchased Valvoline, now it is covering all the bases.

NASCAR could do a battery swap pit stop. The lack of sound would be a big experience loss though....

@jimthain8777

12 күн бұрын

You're still going to have tire noise, and wind noise, which you'll actually be able to hear now.

E-NASCAR? Battery pack swapping sounds like a necessity to make that go, eh?

They went from 6 to 12 volts back in the day .

@alanmay7929

12 күн бұрын

they have 24volts in europe which is absent in america lol!

9 күн бұрын

Military vehicles have been using 28 volts electrical systems since WW2.

I can hear all the Electric NASCAR jokes already - “What else did you expect from an organization that only makes LEFT turns…”

Wow. Tesla's stock is so hot that it has zero gains this year. Amazing!

I was never aware of the phrase "punchable voice"

Mr. Musk always have my support.😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊.

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Mr. Musk always have my support.😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊.also he is only one 1️⃣ person I support he things Like me and I learn from him .😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊..

9 күн бұрын

Musk has created a large group of clueless nincompoops.

NASCAR EVs would be good race. Could have 100 kWh packs held on by 6 bolts. Car comes to a stop in the pit, a flat trolley slides under, car jacked up, 7 crew undo bolts and cables/cooling hoses. Pack slid out, another slid in, bolted, trolley slid out, and car away in 30 seconds. A NASCAR would probably go 200 miles on a 100 kWH pack

According to Nasdaq 22 million metric tons was used in 2023. Or, 22.000.000.000.000 kg. Every ICE car uses 18-49 punds That's 15 kg. 80M car are produced, so 1.200.000.000 kg copper in ICE cars. A typical EV requires over 132 pounds of copper. That's 60 kg. So, 60*80M is 4.800.000.000. 4,8M - 1,2M is 3,6M kg more. That's 1,65% more copper. (22T kg). Please be serius, 1,65% more copper. Why are Autoline refering to those FUD reports? This is just propaganda, and I thought that Autoline fact checked those things. According to researchgate numbers this is less than the increase from one year to another.

@alanmay7929

12 күн бұрын

nonsense!!!! copper is not just for EVs, its for the charging cables, for charging stations, more transformators, more renewables like wind and solar needs tons and tons of copper, offshore windfarms, power stations and more thats alot of copper.

The "experts" at hybrid car companies think hybrids are better for their bottom line than EV's. They need way more service. We at autoline like to repeat whatever they need us to say.

@JD-yx7be

13 күн бұрын

No they don't, the lifetime service cost is about the same for ice and hybrid.

@rp9674

13 күн бұрын

Good for some, massively oversold. Clouding the waters with hybrids vs plug ins. "People want hybrids" disinfo

@scoty_does

13 күн бұрын

@@JD-yx7be Almost a good deflection! EVs are way less than either hybrid or ICE. From a good EV design.

@alanmay7929

12 күн бұрын

hybrids doesnt need any more service than ICE, in fact toyota hybrids have no more belts, its all electric water pump, the alternator is one electric drive motor..... its hybrids from bmw and others that needs maybe some maintaining.

@alanmay7929

12 күн бұрын

@@scoty_does nope! hybrids still offers even better range for example! the toyota rav4 prime has about 600 miles of range just let that sink in!

Just don't know which one is wackier, Musk, Tesla shareholders, or this guy's attorneys.

48v architecture will takeoff when the high end legacy manufacturers decide it's time to go ahead with their transition plans....... because THEY are serious about continuing in the auto manufacturing business

@rp9674

13 күн бұрын

When Taylor Swift & Beyonce go 48v, all will follow

@GTO33

13 күн бұрын

Europeran legacy has been using 48v sinde 2013/2014, and 48v as primary systen since 2017

@davidpearn5925

13 күн бұрын

@@GTO33 after Elon 'invented' it, obviously 😂.

@phillyphil1513

13 күн бұрын

the German Big-3 OEM's (Mercedes, Audi [VW], BMW) have already long deployed 48V in it's "proper use case" to simultaneously give the best ROI to the company and best benefit to their customers. however unlike the GROSSLY INEFFICIENT Cybertruck, the German vehicles are already super efficient to begin with, so what this means is they DON'T NEED to incur the EXORBITANT COSTS to create a full system wide 48V architecture for very little gain at this late date in "optimized" 12V history (ref: the Law of Diminishing Returns). however in stark contrast, Tesla Corp HAD NO CHOICE but to pursue 48V, because if they didn't...? the "Cyber Rhombus" (additionally handicapped by 4680) would SUCK EVEN MORE in terms of efficiency than it already does, aw crap... that's right, an existing 12V window motor or wiper motor be it in a Gas car or an EV has the EXACT SAME EFFICIENCY as the costly AF 48V window motors and wiper motor in the $100,000 Dollar Cybertruck when the windows and wipers are NOT BEING USED.🤑😀 yeah, so in that recent ice cold Winter of Chicago (when all those Tesla's were dying) you can bet NOBODY was driving around and rolling their windows up and down like a MANIAC. so in like fashion in the "desert dry" conditions of Summer in say Phoenix or Las Vegas where they get very little rainfall, short of the occasional blast of washer fluid to clear dust build up (an event that lasts for all of 10 secs) you can bet NOBODY is driving around either with their wipers on 24/7/365... sorry kids, but you've been DECEIVED by a "48V Con" of conspicuously NOT not having many of the Cybertruck's Loads (and related Amp Draw) discussed in terms of DUTY CYCLE which is something REAL Engineers (not laymen) would take into consideration. for example in an EV like the supposed "lowly" Chevy Bolt, the Amp Draw of those 2 "consumers" i just mentioned is MORE THAN OFFSET by the car's ability to REGEN up to a MASSIVE 70 kW (true story). in fact the Bolt's FWD electric motor is so powerful it can technically deliver a HIGHER PEAK NUMBER back into it's battery (at stop lights) when it's being driven around by an owner than when it's going nowhere, sitting plugged into a 50 kW EA station. 😅

@rp9674

13 күн бұрын

​@@phillyphil1513 I was going to argue until I read the part about the Bolt, then I went fanboy

Whats this im hearing about Cybertruck being the best selling EV pickup in Q2? Anything official?

@davidmccarthy6061

13 күн бұрын

Doesn't mean much having only sold a bit under 12,000 units since first shipping.

@dclpgh

13 күн бұрын

@@davidmccarthy6061 Still Not bad for vaporware HUH?

@rp9674

13 күн бұрын

Tesla - good stuff, just get closer to the truth. They should be the good guys vs gas, how do you blow that!?

The key player was a female judge Kathleen McCormick the first female class envy judge who tried to get some revenge.

American greed. has nooooo end

Tesla again leads Legacy Suppliers into the 22th century, kicking and screaming , but they will come. Wont be surprised if Tesla has given the 48 v blueprints to Chinese suppliers already, after all Tesla has Giga Shanghai there already.😂

@bobbbobb4663

13 күн бұрын

You mean TI and others who supported 48V reverse polarity protection in 2016. Go read the LM5050 data sheet.

@AuralioCabal-nl8gi

13 күн бұрын

@@bobbbobb4663 hi BOOB BOOB get your meds Today?

@bobbbobb4663

13 күн бұрын

@@AuralioCabal-nl8gi Looks like someone is excited for the countdown to the ReuterTaxi on 8/8!

9 күн бұрын

Nobody is interested unless they decide to use the same steer-by-wire system used in the CyberFlop supplied by ZF Friedrichshafen which requires 48 volts.

@user-cw9em3mo3w

8 күн бұрын

@@bobbbobb4663 hi BOOB BOOB take your meds yet?😂

Thumbs up & Amen no CCP propaganda!

TSLA UP TODAY $250++,will continue to go up in anticipation of August AI and ROBOTICS and FSD. reveal. are those lawyers Ambulance chasers?

@snookmeister55

13 күн бұрын

Up 75 cents. I'm not complaining.

Ummmm. . . Tornetta was one shareholder, instigated by the lawyers. . . Ambulance Chasing at its worst

sitting here laughing waymo opens itself up to be used by 10 more residents of San Francisco. The rest have moved to avoid crime and stepping in shit

Stellantis has a toxic work environment..... otherwise why are they all jumping ship?

1:42 "which is where it started the year." Not "started the year AT." Second grade stuff

First

Elon rules! Tesla will become number one in the autonomous robot with the Optimus

@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl

13 күн бұрын

Bullshit!

@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl

13 күн бұрын

Game over for Tesla!

@MarkMeszarosYNG

13 күн бұрын

@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl Elon Musk claims Optimus robots could make Tesla a $25 trillion company - more than half the value of the S&P 500 today

@MarkMeszarosYNG

13 күн бұрын

@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl Elon Musk claims Optimus robots could make Tesla a $25 trillion company - more than half the value of the S&P 500 today

@user-cw9em3mo3w

13 күн бұрын

GAME OVER FOR GERMAN AUTOS IN CHINA!​@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl

India and China should mine copper, nickel cobalt, uranium, and other metals and commodities in Russia for pennies on the dollar. Doing so will put downward pressure on global commodity prices. I only hope Russia, and Russian people see no benefit from increased metal mining in their own country. They deserve nothing for invading Ukraine.

China should focus on hybrids more. It seems there isn't enough copper in the world for every vehicle to be electric.

@BTC_Minarchist

13 күн бұрын

China knows better than to believe this idiotic study. For that reason, they'll continue to dominate while we get bogged down by these meaningless studies.

@AuralioCabal-nl8gi

13 күн бұрын

Hybrids still use finite Fossil fuels while Sunshine and Wind always around and battery technology improves daily and COPPER IS HIGHLY RECYCKABLE , ,I'd like to see you recycle GASOLINE Fumes in you lungs, The Chinese aim to dominate in EVs,IF THE LEGACY AUTO COMPANIES are to survive they would build only BEVs,by YEAR 2030 , a scant 5.5 yrs away , Yes , that TIME BOMB is TICKING, You read it first here ,from me!

Electric NASCAR sounds like another Bud Light story… not a place for tree huggers, they can go play golf they got the carts already

@JD-yx7be

13 күн бұрын

NASCAR has been ghey for awhile. They supported pride month

@oldrrocr

13 күн бұрын

yeah, gotta have the sound of thunder, the smell of napalm, and hopelessly sloooow cars to enjoy NASCAR.

@phillyphil1513

13 күн бұрын

re: "Electric NASCAR sounds like another Bud Light story…" exactly, anybody paying attention should already know this is NOT going to end well. Nascar...? REALLY...? good luck with that.