"Or both." THANK YOU! I think this is possibly the first time I have heard anyone admit the possibility that BOTH dark matter and modified gravity might be possible. I love you, Lee! :)

@sherlockholmeslives.1605

5 жыл бұрын

The three isotopes of hydrogen are protium, tritium and deuterium. That is something that I know.

@sherlockholmeslives.1605

5 жыл бұрын

I have read the book 'Exploring The Earth and Moon' by Patrick Moore ( 1923 - 2012 ). I find it enjoyable but a bit demanding even though it is aimed at 8 - 12 year olds.

I love your ability to work with Lee Smolin, his clearly very comfortable with your manner and very generous with you.

Great interview - I actually understood & learnt a lot. Many thanks !

This guy has the most meditative and cool voice I have ever heard. I absolutely love this guy. He's some totally beautiful zen master!

Wonderful discussion 👍👌

I’m in love with Lee Smolin

I had the impression as an amateur that study of the bullet cluster resolved the issue in favor of dark matter. I'm not sure exactly when it happened, or when this discussion took place. On the other hand cosmologists are currently (June 2017) debating whether there is dark energy or if gravity acts differently than predicted at very large scales.

I like the way that doctor Smolin smile when explain these stuffs

Dark Matter was first discovered by the Swiss astronomer Fritz Zwicky back in 1933. So its now getting to be almost 90 years since the discovery and we don't know anything more about dark matter than did Fritz Zwicky. So this must be one of the longest running science mysteries since the beginnings of modern science back in the 1600s

Dark matter, matters. Plain and simple. It matters in a way no other matter can. When dark… matters, it produces significant effects on mattering matter near by. Thus, by definition and high level of addition and multiplication… when does dark matter, matter? When it doesn’t matter anymore.

The level in this channel. Wow.

At every level of the fractal hierarchy, variation enters the system in different ways, so there is no scale invariance. All of the information is stored in the relationships of and in each level in the computational geometry. The Glass Onion is a model of the probability space where the tree of the knowledge (our material reality) is growing, each layer gets progressively thinner, so that, like a fractal it never completely fills space, the space is not infinite. The boundary conditions display edge of criticality in each layer. The physical manifestation (the structure of our reality), could be thought of as a tree like structure, growing in this probability space. At the ends, the filaments are very fine, in fact infinitely fine. All of the information is stored as relationships and as the finest projections are created or computed you have the greatest number of possible outcomes, so that the earliest versions of this structure had few possible outcomes (less degrees of freedom). This structure could be called truth at it's core (in the beginning) and chaos in the fine hair-like projections (the end). The ever present now, is our position in the computational geometry. Buridan's ass, deception, metastability, dithering or self referential randomness. Fredkin's paradox and degrees of freedom. You are spirit. You are made of stuff but this stuff is something that cannot be regarded as real. The information is not the structure it is the relationships. The information contains no mass.

Rick D., wow....I "really really really" get it and really don't get what your saying. Something from the complex has synthesized for me and I don't quite know what! Do you have a weblink or blog?

Consider that mass may be hidden in supermassive black holes that develop a Planck core.

Could there by a length scale limit, analogous to the Planck scale, but at large distances that is the reason why gravity appears to behave differently across and between galaxies

Lee Smolin is the best popularizer of science, doing justice to science and also explaining it in ways that are accessible to lay people. We can't say the same of dudes like Neil or Krauss, and company; they sacrifice science in the name of ideology, a bunch of idiots.

@logicbomb8977

Жыл бұрын

Couldn’t agree more. Lee is the only genuine one who has the courage to call out the string theorist cult.

1:02 important issue . what kind of gravity are talking about ? Newtonian ( external force dynamism ) or general relativistic outside pushed tensor of force , or Amirian ( internal force tensor | torque dynamism ) ?

@stevenverrall4527

11 ай бұрын

What is Amirian gravity?

Could there be something dark between galaxies in cluster that keeps galaxies together in cluster from flying apart and causes outer stars in galaxy to rotate as fast as stars in the interior of galaxy?

For there to be a dark matter particle in the vast stretches of space of the outer galaxy between the spiral arms, would some type of matter or something else measure the dark matter particle from a quantum wave / field; or would dark matter particle not have quantum wave / field; or where would dark matter particle come from and why not resume gravity wave / field where there is nothing to measure the dark matter particle?

Could the revolving of the spiral arms of galaxy create gravity inside galaxy, like the revolution of space station causes gravity inside space station? If so, is it the supermassive black hole at center of galaxy that causes spiral arms of galaxy to revolve, or would it be something else?

Vera Rubin. Correct.

Dark matter - Apears to be a tremendous gap in our ability to understand the Cosmos , Physics . . . Our very existence.

I know it's just the name that stuck, and a rose is a rose, but I would prefer "dark stuff" to dark matter. It's not clear that the stuff is something we would want to call matter.

@winstonchang777

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, I agree ...Even when a name is stuck, if we are willing and teach as so, names can change....It's just that we humans are so lazy.... Even though we have science and critical thinking, for some, most people live a life of daily life states and activities, ...food, the bed, toilet, the heater, water, clothes, sex, money,...etc Look at the corrupt people on Earth....Sometimes I'd wish that they are corrupt in a different way because we have advanced...but no, it is still money and sex, and power... Look at Jeff Bezos....Can't he just do wrong in some other new way other than sex....

@ZeroOskul

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, like how we all refer to General Relativistic variance instead of Gravity. Wouldn't it be crazy if people still believed they fell instead of knowing there is no force acting on a body in space and really it's the planet crashing into them? Good thing we can change our own usages to change those of others, to reduce confusion about factual reality. It really works. (I should point out this is wild sarcasm)

Is there a relationship between dark matter and space, such as curvature of space?

Q: There is sth wrong with Newton’s universal gravity, because movements of planets around stars is also influenced by the rotation and rotationspeed of the stars? Persons like Einstein and Zwicky understood this, but didn’t become popular by explaining that this was a serious shortcoming in Newon’s universal gravity? While Zwicky assumed an invisible force (dark matter) as ‘source of gravity’ to explain puzzling movements of planets around stars, Einstein came up with warped spacetime with fourdimensional motions (including rotation), whereby Einstein realised he knew better than Newton. Or not?

"Dark Matter" ? Try to "OBSERVE" the "UNOBSERVABLE" What "LIGHT" depending phenomena happens (and there reference frames) @ the 21cm band (Pauli EXCLUSION) in Tired light model ~ Fritz Zwicky? specific 1/4 ratio ????

Does dark matter exist mainly in the outer areas of galaxies and in between galaxies of a cluster, where it predominates and modifies gravity; while in the interior of galaxies there is much less dark matter and Einstein-Newtonian gravity predominates?

Yeah, what he said.

Is there a relationship between dark matter and quantum, as both not interact with regular matter?

@Shauniosusify

2 жыл бұрын

Of course. Relativity hasn't shared anything towards dark matter but affects gravity

Perhaps similar to black holes, dark matter and dark energy are turned into themselves where nothing escapes, while gravitational forces are externally massive.

He is getting closer to the truth. That is, beyond the truth as argued by Parmenides.

There different ways to understand the what is , we as humans pick the one way that is more promising to produce on a wider fields of existence

Newton's law is not sufficient on a galactic scale. Relativity says that time is local. Therefore on a galactic scale, you don't know where everything is because you don't know what "where" means. The best you can do is an iterative model.

Could dark matter come from dark energy somehow, as energy can be converted into mass? How would dark energy speed cosmological constant effect relationship between dark energy and dark mass? Maybe dark energy slow down inside galaxy due to gravitational forces enough to become dark matter?

Dark matter not effected by particles and waves, yet dark matter gravity effects stars and galaxy? Would be interesting if gravity have more effect on dark matter and dark energy than other forces.

The outer solar systems in our galaxy got their speed from the galaxy itself because the whole galaxy was one object in its beginning. Galaxies begin their lives as quark-gluon plasma which is invisible and can make shapes. Our galaxy was a giant, single disk with a bulbous center. The outer solar systems were created from this disk while the center turned into our black hole. That explains their speed at the edges.

Lee Smolin is brilliant but, if gravity behaves differently at very small scales, then it's not too wild to imagine gravity applying differently at extremely large scales. In that case Newton's laws would not be wrong, just most accurate in "middling" domains. After all, QM didn't simplify things, but it works.

@quagmire444

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree. The first thing I thought about when I learned QM was if things are different on a small scale, what about the reverse, or the super macroscopic scale. Perhaps gravity is some type of emergent phenomenon that progressively behaves different depending on the scale of reality you're talking about.

@poseidone5

6 жыл бұрын

quagmire444 Yes, it is possible. Do you know Verlinde theory? It is very interesting and original. Maybe there are possibilities to prove the theory, unlike others hypotesis.

@twirlipofthemists3201

6 жыл бұрын

Modifying gravity can't account for all DM observations, though.

@Jason-gt2kx

5 жыл бұрын

The Bullet Cluster disproves MOND, I think GR is correct, but there is not dark "matter" its just dark GRAVITY. My hypothesis that Dark Matter is not a WIMP, but maybe is a deformation of space-time by which the curvature of space-time ALONE is the cause of the gravitational effect. Gravity is the consequence of the curvature of space-time. It may be possible that the structure of space-time itself could be warped without the presence of mass. Space-time has been shown to react like a fabric by warping, twisting, and propagating independent of mass. These properties have been proven with observations of gravitational lensing, frame dragging, and now gravitational waves. Fabrics can be stretched, pressured, and/or heated to the point of deformation. Such extreme conditions were all present during inflation, so it is plausible that space-time’s elastic nature could have hit its yield point and permanently deformed. Therefore, if gravity is the consequence of the warping of space-time, and fabrics can be permanently deformed, then a deformation could create a gravitational effect independent of mass. Thus, the unidentified dark "matter" that seems to be so elusive to modern science may not be matter at all but merely warped deformities causing gravitational effects. DM could be a microscopic black hole with no mass at the center... Prediction: Spacetime's elastic property hits a yield point, so only that part of geodesic's "stretch marks" would remain after inflation stopped. These steep gravitational wells would not follow the inverse square law. I am looking for Observationalist to help test..

@tonibat59

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jason-gt2kx A gravitational effect independent of mass is a contradiction in terms. It only holds if you assume that GR is wrong. This would be a legitimate hypothesis, but you must state it clearly. And by the way, lots of ppl are working in this line. Clear thought is not optional.

Maybe its just time itself running differently. So no dark matter influencing galaxies speeds, but time itself running at different speeds in different coordinates of the Universe that makes these fenomenons occur in the first place. IF THIS IDEA HOLDS TRUE, I´M CLAIMING THE OWNERSHIP OF IT lol

What if it's anti matter and it actually dominates in a different dimension but gravity still connects them and entanglement

@roody59

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking exactly the same. Perhaps the matter is in a different dimension which is why we are still pulling our hair out to understand it. Interesting times!

These guys are on the same page for sure, they are just feeding off of each other, they have great Chemistry! (No pun intended)

Quantum speed Could gravity be an emergent property of a more fundamental concept? What if speed was more fundamental than gravity? Then we should be focusing on quantum speed, using an approach I call the Superfractalon Field Hypothesis. Quantizing speed would treat space and time more evenly since speed is length over time whereas gravity is length over time squared. If we think that space and time have a one to one ratio then we should think about quantizing speed rather than Gravity. This would mean that there is a slowest speed that is not zero. And the speed would be a component of all other speeds. I have a candidate for the speed. I call the slowest speed the quantum speed. To give you an example of how slow it is imagine something moving at a constant speed over 1 billion years and only going a nanometer. This is an approximation of how slow the candidates for the quantum speed is that I have come up with using my hypothesis.

perhaps the force that drives apart galaxies is centrifugal in nature and the whole universe has spin as a collective.

@nabilzig3797

2 жыл бұрын

What?!?

@Michael-tq6xm

2 жыл бұрын

@@nabilzig3797 it means the entire universe spins like a galaxy

@Michael-tq6xm

2 жыл бұрын

@@nabilzig3797 think of the 3 known dimensions of space and one dimension of time as you know it and build a model universe in your mind where you can tease them apart.

unless they find a dark matter particle then there can be no certainty that dark matter actually exists. without that dark matter particle, then the only other explanation left is that our theory of gravity is incomplete.

Is it remotely possible that dark matter is time matter? Is time matter the expression of space itself? Are the macro geometric objects we see in real life the Expression from subatomic geometric space?

Current findings are saying dark matter does not exist.

Seen it once mini univers particals in the sky colieded and created a dark.cloud after that small things started spinning round in it then vinger party's and then all the cloud moved bit then went back to the point and went complete gone

When PHOTONS age trey streth out ?

Fermion graviton having 750 proton mass

How come dark matter just can't be concentrations of strong gravity.

Theoretical idea: A pulsating photon is the pure energy unit. "Gravity" is the directional component of the photon. When pure energy units unite with other pure energy units they would tend to stabilize and vibrate. On a larger scale, the Earth could be seen as a massive singular interacting photon with it's magnetic fields, electrical surface fields and ionic fields, and gravity fields, all three photonic forces all basically 90 degrees from each other. On even a larger scale, our flat spiral galaxy could be seen as a massive singular interacting photon with it's magnetic fields on opposite sides of the plane of matter, the electrical fields along the plane of matter, and "gravity" (the directional component of the photon) being directed towards the center of the galaxy, all three photonic forces all basically 90 degrees from each other. As below in the singularity, as above in the galaxy and probably universe as well. Also: "space" is pure energy itself and "time" is the flow of that energy. So, space and time pulse in basically a 360 degree fashion and also tend to stabilize more on a larger scale. Hence also, "relativity".

I wanna go to whatever university Smolin teaches at.

Newtons equations couldn't explain the observed orbit of Mercury, so an unseen body was proposed as an explaination. Eintein fixed this problem with a new term in the equation. Still we can't explain the rotation of the outer stars in the galaxy. Don't the equations just need a fix. Why do we just end up proposing that invisible matter outweighs visible matter by six to one?

My hypothesis that Dark Matter is not a WIMP, but maybe is a deformation of space-time by which the curvature of space-time ALONE is the cause of the gravitational effect. Gravity is the consequence of the curvature of space-time. It may be possible that the structure of space-time itself could be warped without the presence of mass. Space-time has been shown to react like a fabric by warping, twisting, and propagating independent of mass. These properties have been proven with observations of gravitational lensing, frame dragging, and now gravitational waves. Fabrics can be stretched, pressured, and/or heated to the point of deformation. Such extreme conditions were all present during inflation, so it is plausible that space-time’s elastic nature could have hit its yield point and permanently deformed. Therefore, if gravity is the consequence of the warping of space-time, and fabrics can be permanently deformed, then a deformation could create a gravitational effect independent of mass. Thus, the unidentified dark "matter" that seems to be so elusive to modern science may not be matter at all but merely warped deformities causing gravitational effects. DM could be a microscopic black hole with no mass at the center... Prediction: Spacetime's elastic property hits a yield point, so only that part of geodesic's "stretch marks" would remain after inflation stopped. These steep gravitational wells would not follow the inverse square law. I am looking for Observationalist to help test...

Maybe magnetism plays role in dark matter?

Because everyone is saying dark matter can't possibly be protons and neutrons I'm going to say dark matter is protons and neutrons. Maybe we don't know baryonic matter that well. If protons were six times more massive than we currently believe but only expres one sixth of their gravitational mass locally that would account for the observed amount of missing mass just about. 5/6 = 83.33%, very close to the Planck satellite measurement of 84.5%. And if neutrons were seven times more massive that would bring the value even closer, to about 83.7%. I say the neutron is seven times more massive than we believe because it decays to a proton and an electron, and an electron's mass is probably 938.272 Mev/c2. You really didn't think it was only .511 Mev/c2 did You? And have zero radius?The proton expresses more mass because the surface of the hypersphere cuts it through it's equator. The electron seems to have no radius because it is entirely in 4D space and just touches the surface of the hypersphere. It may even be a diparticle with half on one side and half on the other side of the surface of the hypersphere. All elementary particles are four dimensional objects and all express only a fraction of their inertial mass in 3D space. If you object to this conclusion by reasoning that the elementary particles cannot be 4D because we live in 3D space and to be 4D they have to exist in 4D space you would be correct about the second part but wrong about the first. We do live in 4D space. The biggest illusion of all is that we live in 3D space. The apparent 3D space we live in is actually simulated by 4D matter in 4D space. All elementary particles are ''pinned" to the surface of the hypersphere. They cannot move in the 4D direction. They can only slide around on the surface of the hypersphere in the other three of the four dimensions.That's what the dark matter measurements and other evidence I've gathered suggest to me.

Dark Matter An artist can't create a painting without the use of shadows. An image is just a blank white canvas without the darkness of shadows. Old Masters' used two thirds dark and one third light to create their paintings. The impressionists came along and with their mastery of color were able to create paintings using one third dark and two thirds light. That's why impressionist paintings are lighter and more uplifting. Also, we are all sculptors like Michelangelo. We chip away our darkness (greed) and a positive image of good (god) emerges. And one more thing. Darkness (business) exists so that stars like US have a place to shine in heaven (joy, beauty and harmony). Stars like US don't exist to be sucked out of heaven by a giant black hole in space called "greed" and it's ignorance (hate).

Can anybody follow this?

Can we please stop saying “combine together” and “separate apart”? Ditto for “colleagues that I work with.”

Just a physics groupie, not a professional, so indulge me if I'm having a silly reaction but . . . MAYBE there really ARE phenomenon that are being approximated by these terms (and their underlying conceptual models) "Dark Matter" and "Dark Energy." Or . . . (as the commentator seems to be suggesting at 8:34 . . .) could it mean that one or more of our precious "Laws" or other assumptions in existing physics is just plain wrong? My layman's understanding is that this latter explanation might be the simplest? Am I wrong that "Dark Matter" and "Dark Energy" are in fact just "x variable" corrections that have been plugged into our formulae for accounting for how the cosmos works? Without those x variables, then modern day physics breaks, right? . . . at least at the level of large quantities of matter, space and time, i.e., galaxies and larger. What I find interesting is: how much effort has been put into trying to "find" Dark Matter and Dark Energy and (seemingly) how LITTLE effort has been put into trying to work out exactly WHAT COULD be wrong with existing physics which COULD lead to the universe behaving so differently than our "models" suggest it should.

I am so tired of the interpreters who don’t know the Davos and Rothschild stuff. What do we know? What is managed in the credential realm?

This guy needs to do a show on the electric universe.

I doubt Newton is wrong. Your observation and calculations and likely to be wrong.

Lee is a nice guy, but this subject really already solved. Dark Matter is a misnomer. It should just be called 'Dark Gravity' since it is a non-understood gravitational phenomenon. By calling it dark 'matter' we suggest we already know what the problem is: missing matter. This is however not correct. Gravity is the longitudinal spacetime contraction caused by movement of (and inside) mass. In restmass, the tiny longitudinal contractions of each electron plane around an atom's core, all combined cause a seemingly radial contraction (Einsteins mathematical approximation of GR) . The additional speed of the object however, causes an additional gradient contraction of spacetime along the vector of movement, analogous to Einstein's length contraction in special relativity. It is this orthogonal extra high speed of stars at the spiral arms of galaxies that causes the extra macro gravity (with a gradient) keeping all stars in their outer orbits.....

@roody59

Жыл бұрын

Ok, so let’s say we call it dark gravity. Does it still matter in terms of our understanding of the cosmos and existence?

You're asking God's characters what the world is about but they don't know they're only illusions within a simulation program. It's impossible for them to explain who they are.

@remymartinxo999

7 жыл бұрын

Brad Holkesvig which god do you speak of?

@BradHolkesvig

7 жыл бұрын

remymartinxo999 The ONE who created the simulation program we're involved in. That God, our Creator, has never revealed to me who he or she or they are. For all I know, it could be a series of computers that was used to program the computer simulation program we're in but biblical verses like this give the impression that it's some sort of being. Isaiah 40 28: Have you not known? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He does not faint or grow weary, his understanding is unsearchable. Isaiah 45 5: I am the LORD, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I gird you, though you do not know me, 6: that men may know, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is none besides me; I am the LORD, and there is no other. Amos 4 13: For lo, he who forms the mountains, and creates the wind, and declares to man what is his thought; who makes the morning darkness, and treads on the heights of the earth -- the LORD, the God of hosts, is his name! Deuteronomy 6 4: "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD; 5: and you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. Psalm 27 0: A Psalm of David. 1: The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? The LORD is the stronghold of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? Hosea 13 4: I am the LORD your God from the land of Egypt; you know no God but me, and besides me there is no savior.

@remymartinxo999

7 жыл бұрын

Brad Holkesvig your a fucking idiot bro. You need to go China for a while and snap out of it.

@BradHolkesvig

7 жыл бұрын

remymartinxo999 The idiots are the one's who think they're real people made out of material things.

@brendanoshea2936

7 жыл бұрын

Brad you thought of god's characters in some illusion is just as easily an illusion.

But what I want to know is - just what does Donald Trump have to say about this !

No conclusions yet again. Just gas-bagging and hot air.