Episode 212 with Joscha Bach: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pH2kt8hmhtyYeqQ.html

I click for Joscha Bach. Remarkable human being!

We've always interpreted the universe through the language, lens, and perspective of the economically-dominant technology of the day. Pre-industrial era: "The universe is a clash of forces!" Steam era: "The universe is thermodynamic! It's all about heat!" 20th century: "The universe is electromagnetic!" 21st century: "The universe is a computer!"

@stigron8824

2 жыл бұрын

Never thought of it this way. Thank you.

@theuniversejumper

2 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the theory of relativity. Today it's taught as "imagine you're in a rocket ship going 90% the speed of light", but iirc after Einstein published it it was explained using trains going 90% the speed of light. What might we imagine it as in another 100 years?

@10418

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe it’s all of the above.

@felipemldias

2 жыл бұрын

All of these are still true, we only have more generalizable concepts now. Curiously, computation is also intrinsically about the limits of languages

@mabusestestament

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget: the universe is a clockwork!

Some of the most interesting views that I have never thought of before.! I like this guest!! Great back and forth

Lex, Lee, and Joscha please read Douglas Vogt's Theory of Multidimensional Reality. It is short, easy to read and understand, and fits with a lot of the things you guys are saying. Lex please have a conversation with Doug.

Analogical derivatives /disalignement is like a current and intrinsic algorithms interacting in some degrees later down the chains.

I believe the our universe is a fractal turing machine, that is constantly refining and re-witting itself. Within this turing machine is only one weighting function, that determines the expansion of the universe. That function is a question: Is this an expression of love? When this question is true, the fractal information is updated, old experiences are deleted. Ultimately this process will create a neural network of consciousness that will become the transcendent collective of humanity. A repository of all the unique expressions of love that humanity has created in all of its existence.

According to the hot shots of theoretical physics, time is emergent. And some are even saying there's an indefinite causal ordering more fundamental than the causality that emerges from entaglement/entropy.

Think i might be a bit to high for this!

@dragonsmith9012

2 жыл бұрын

Crazyfool, you better get your gold bricking ass back down here if you're too high. Mark Zuckerberg's lawyers sort through these comments looking for investment opportunities, and you're over here making us look like a bunch of potheads. Get it together!

@kimosabe6272

2 жыл бұрын

@@dragonsmith9012 You sound like you're too high..

I just stared at his hair for 11 mins. No idea what y'all were talking about.

@funambe1603

2 жыл бұрын

5:47

Interesting discourse on the religious belief in materialistic diesm.

The intelligence factor could be a consequence of increasing complexity and the system approaching equilibrium slowly. However electric potential and magnetism been present all along which required for computation of any form. So if this potential exist or we consider as initial condition, would be odd if nature does not capitalise on such potential

..time is fundamental if motion is fundamental...that which maintains ABSOLUTE stillness is infinite and timeless...

some of the time has been set at least years prior, I've had dreams that came to be

Universe keeps getting smarter. In which medium is the uneverse storing that information, and how does it access and use it? Sounds a bit dreamy if you ask me.

@Hecarim420

2 жыл бұрын

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Do you ever feel like your conscious being is like interphasing or transceded with some other primordial being? I mean.. obviously people have felt this sorta of thing for as long as we've been recording but... maybe there's something to it.

"All" possible automata? "All"? As in, "infinitely many"?

We need moar of the Phizzix Xperiments to tell us moar stuff, so get to it, an' stop yer jawin'

@PriusTurbo

2 жыл бұрын

Cmon smart guys plz get in the lab and make the magic happen. Money trees ain gon grow themselves ok

There is no continuous: that's an illusion from being zoomed out so far.

the universe has learned as its aged, gained wisdom

If dark matter is time then is the universe a seed?

I kinda wonder just how much fudging is going on with the science of dark energy. I mean.. yeah it's it's this like symmetrical energy that can't be measured but it must be there spread out in these areas and also connected to observations of things like what's referred to as the great attractor

The nested DNA - proteine relationships - only one of many examples - are not mappable on a Turing machine which always operates sequentially. So it simply follows that the universe is not a Turing machine.

I can't understand why time isn't fundamental. Nothing can happen without time. Nothing can be measured without time. Everything is dependent on time. What am I missing that smart people understand? Will someone please enlighten me?

@NightmareCourtPictures

2 жыл бұрын

It is fundamental in some theories (like in Wolframs). Space-time however is something different. This is why we have entropy (time going one way) and space time which is a relative concept. That’s where the confusion comes from. Space time is emergent and relative, but entropic time is absolute. In Wolframs theory time is absolute but partially ordered…so time doesn’t happen in one linear way, it is a network of casually connected events. That’s what makes his theory a lot more elegant.

Is the definition of creativity to resist entropy while doing interesting things???😊

Stephenson's the Diamond Age attempts to handle such conceptualizations, and his Anathem approaches even more closely humanity striving to understand its predicaments; perturbing the æthers, indeed

The Universe is an Egg. It is full of raw materials and energy. Life = Self-Sustaining Complexity (SSC). SSC is a natural consequence of conditions within the egg. SSC is extremely rare, but when given enough raw materials and time, it will arise. Once SSC arises, it begins to consume the raw materials and grow. Once it consumes all the raw materials, the egg hatches. The thing that hatches from the egg then goes on to create a lot more eggs.

@patrickdodge916

2 жыл бұрын

I think the universe may be similar to a cell. Our universe contains the material for energy. Maybe black holes break down the material into raw energy and then transfers it to another dimension/layer?

This conversation is like the scientific equivalent of the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages saying the earth is the center of the universe.

@althenimble

2 жыл бұрын

Where did they say that?

@redwood-in-stereo

2 жыл бұрын

@@althenimble where did the Catholic Church say that? In 1633, the Inquisition of the Roman Catholic Church forced Galileo Galilei, one of the founders of modern science, to recant his theory that the Earth moves around the Sun. While the Catholic Church initially accepted heliocentricity, Catholics eventually joined the wave of Protestant opposition and banned copernicus’ book in 1616 for 200 years. The Protestant churches accepted Copernicus' findings after more evidence emerged to support it. Or maybe you’re just asking about what they’re talking of in this video😊 in that case, no they never said that.

The universe is its own labeler. There is too much individualism in this conversation. Turing and Church are manifestations of the thing that is creating the abstraction which labels the axioms that allow the mathematical computations of universal understanding. The universe is a turing machine.

You lost me at hello 😀

I looked up Lee Cronin's horoscope. (this is going to piss off many here but oh well). He is all Gemini. Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Saturn all in Gemini. This is an outstanding configuration indicating extremes of originality, playfulness, a cerebral approach, imagination and irreverence basically an attitude of: why not? So beautifully illustrated in his opinion of the universe expanding into ever more possibilities, He could probably be easily distracted and thinks faster than he can speak which explains why Lex is sometimes at a loss here. At any rate a totally fascinating conversation. Thank you both.

Where are Russian/Ukraine podcasts/storys ?

😘😘

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Killer hair.

Bit to pretentious for me. Say it simple if you want others to understand. Dumb it down or live in your own lofty castle.

@kimosabe6272

2 жыл бұрын

Better yourself in terminology and/or language if you wanna click on stuff like this. Don't project your level of comprehension on people who can use "complex" terms in order to have a more nuanced conversation on topics that go this deep. Imagine where mankind would be if some of the best minds pushing the boundaries of esoteric knowledge and experimentation used simple ways of communication with their peers.

@kayhawkins5925

2 жыл бұрын

@@kimosabe6272 wow, you are a bit pretentious more than a bit. Seems you are in awe of yourself and felt the need to respond because you saw yourself in my comment. Gaslighting is a true sign of a narcissist and in your own eyes you are the superior to others and beneath you to change your language so others can understand. Pompous much?

@mirarstudios

2 жыл бұрын

@@kayhawkins5925 there isn't any gaslighting or narcissism in that answer. You accused the conversation of being pretention because you couldn't keep up. Rather, they're using a technical language, which could be learnt. The greatest intellects dont have any obligation to slow down for our sakes.

@kayhawkins5925

2 жыл бұрын

@@mirarstudios those that want to be understood will do so otherwise a sign of arrogance. Communication is a two way street and if you are speaking to an audience on a podcast or KZread channels there are thousands of listeners that don't have your almighty intellect. If he is speaking to his peers is one thing the audience are not peers but lay people.

@supersonic956

2 жыл бұрын

​@@mirarstudios It's a podcast for the public, meaning people with backgrounds in different technical fields and different native languages. Given the audience it obviously makes sense to "slow down" hence why Lex even asks for the definition of certain terms.