Steve, I am the attorney who has filed the lawsuit in Michigan. The governor’s orders do not specifically ban the use of motorized boats however the department of natural resources has use the governor’s orders and implemented a rule banning the use of motorized and electric powered boats.

@stevelehto

4 жыл бұрын

Please call me or email me if you get a chance. I'd love to talk to you about this. steve@lehtoslaw.com

@brandonboone170

4 жыл бұрын

So what’s the follow up to this question? Does the DNR have that right to ban it?

@netoriousned4272

4 жыл бұрын

@@stevelehto I have called the DNR three times on this and they are claiming it's in there, then you question them and say it's in the FAQ and I tell them that's not law, they then tell you to "call the Governor then or the Michigan Attorney General. Would you like their number?"

@TheGnthreman

4 жыл бұрын

True. And doesn't it need to be specified? A motor is not the same as an engine.

@oldgysgt

4 жыл бұрын

From what I see, a ban on fishing boats with gas engines may not be in the Executive Order, but it appears a large number of over-zealous officials don't know that. Apparently it will take someone higher up in the State, (a judge maybe), to clear up this obvious misunderstanding.

The reason motor boat are banned is to stop seed smuggling from Canada.

@wildfire160

4 жыл бұрын

Damn i thought it was for hand sanitizer and toilet paper...

Keep up the great work Steve, it's great to see a person with actual common sense and the ability to clearly articulate it to others, not to mention a great sense of humor.

Darn. Towards the end of the video, Steve started a sentence with, "Short story, there is no law against (pause) being out in a motor boat...." I was SO HOPING his statement would have been: "Short story, there is no law against motorboating."

A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. No truer words...

As Mark Twain said: a lie will go half way around the world while the truth is putting on it's shoes

Hard to know what's true. Especially when you could go to jail because of disorderly conduct or civil asset forfeiture.

@James_Hough

4 жыл бұрын

Not really that hard. What law? There either is one or not.

@Pine_Soul

4 жыл бұрын

Hard to know what's true? Look it up! Ignorance of the law is no excuse!

@PBVader

4 жыл бұрын

@@Pine_Soul , then there's that forgiveness over permission thing. When there are more laws than hairs on your ass, you need a personal lawyer to interpret them? At how much an hour? Good luck selling that door to door, you would get chased out of town.

@davenoell

4 жыл бұрын

@@Pine_Soul Unless you're a police officer.

@fastdude2002

4 жыл бұрын

The laws are enforced inconsistently which causes confusion. Poorly written laws are often open to interpretation by police and others and there lies the problem.

Abraham Lincoln said, "You can fool some of the people ALL of the time." Thanks for identifying who they are.

There was only one guy that could stand 6 feet away from my boat on the water and I have not seen Him in 2020 years

@ViewThis.

4 жыл бұрын

Bob Lob LAW Jesus is a water walker now isn't he. It even says so in Job 9:8

@billytaylor6604

4 жыл бұрын

That is what Bob said

@FlatFifties

4 жыл бұрын

But, it hasn't been quite that long.

@mr.h5436

4 жыл бұрын

hahahaha, sort of a useless skill- what if he wanted to go swimming?

@gordonappelbaum9648

4 жыл бұрын

@@mr.h5436 the governor of Michigan doesn't mind if you want to walk on the water, as long as you keep your distance. Give it a try and let me know how that works out for you.

My take, from the last dozen or so of Steve's posts: People are idiots.

@scottperry9581

4 жыл бұрын

@@peterthegreat996 Being lazy and being an idiot are not mutually exclusive.

@rodneyperry6942

4 жыл бұрын

That, or overzealous officers "enforcing" laws that don't exist (like that's never happened)

@gmoops8986

4 жыл бұрын

Only a dozen or so?

@dmacrolens

4 жыл бұрын

It took posts from Steve for you to understand this? 😂

@billytaylor6604

4 жыл бұрын

You want some great comedy, watch some "Sovereign Citizen" videos.

I can picture the thoughts running through the judges mind about the attorney's who filed the suit "It is better for people to think you might be an idiot than to put pen to paper and remove all doubt"

@Nickvec

4 жыл бұрын

Lehto is failing to realize that most people don't want a run in with a law enforcement officer. You may get a ticket, in parts of CA it's up to $1000 and may include jail for social distancing violation, and what if the encounter escalates! The order is a bit nebulous and that leads to confusion and press conference statements only add. LEOs are trying to enforce the order and may make errors. Not good. Lehto says, no problem, it's a bogus ticket. Only problem is now you have to challenge it and perhaps take a day off (assuming we go back to work before the fine is due) and go to court. So I'm actually completely for filing this suit. Perhaps the governor could amend her executive order or clarify at a press conference and save all the citizens of Michigan a little heartache. Also, and Steve glosses over this, the specific part talks about "exercise." I could see an officer saying "driving around in a motorboat is 'not exercise'. Anyway, ambiguous laws, even slightly ambiguous, lead to confusion and lawsuits.

@edennis3202

4 жыл бұрын

@@Nickvec I agree, and I just posted a comment basically saying the same thing. Ordinary people do not want to be fined or arrested. Personally, the less interaction I have with law enforcement and the legal system, the happier I'll be.

This puts an end to my Door-to-Door delivery service for boats I was going to call it Shore-to-Oar or Oar-to-Oar ( that was the question ) maritime portage service Another business ruined by Covid , It has no mercy

@MrTrailerman2

4 жыл бұрын

@Dr Feel good or Door to shore.

@pubcollize

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrTrailerman2 Door-to-shore is a boat trailers business.

@EwanMarshall

4 жыл бұрын

"dock to deck"? Alliteration rather than rhyming, or how about "deck delivery"?

That is very interesting. She did say it on the news. DnR also has it on their website. I think I’m going fishing this weekend.

@dazedandconfusedstacker9923

4 жыл бұрын

You going to pay any fines i get?

@JoshuaJohnsonHou

4 жыл бұрын

@@dazedandconfusedstacker9923 Fines would get thrown out in court

@jimmcginnis9779

4 жыл бұрын

Lol we received a stimulus check so that will cover it if it went that far. Still money ahead.

@jimmcginnis9779

4 жыл бұрын

@ Thomas LeMay I agree 100%.

@jeromewesselman4653

4 жыл бұрын

@@oldjarhead386 Amen

Law or not, they have closed all of the launches. DNR IS writing tickets.

So the governor says "no motorboats" (I heard her say it) but the order doesn't say so...wonder why there's confusion.

@jeromewesselman4653

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Nothing confusing about that at all right? Makes you wonder if myopia was the death of common sense. Guvner says it. Law enforcement enforces it. People arrested (not yet but it will happen) And oh by the way it's not even written down Isn't it rich? Send in the clowns Don't bother... They're here

If they've offered interpretation stating they view boats as banned and law enforcement is going to take that interpretation into account for enforcement proposes there's a problem. While you may be right and win in the end that's a pretty hollow victory given the disruption and financial impact to your life that you've already suffered.

@stevelehto

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, all kinds of things COULD happen. I have not yet heard of anyone being ticketed for this.

@jeromewesselman4653

4 жыл бұрын

@@stevelehto Patience. You will, that's about guaranteed. Enforcement overreach can and will happen, as it has here and in other states for similar matters. The situation is simple: as a lawyer you care mainly about what the law IS. As an average Joe Boater, I care mainly about how it is ENFORCED, especially at this juncture. Most people don't have resources to waste educating law enforcement officers through the court system. Those with play-time and play-money can play house or court or whatever they think is important; the adults in the room have to discern, with prudence and a strong moral compass (and God willing an excellent memory), how to allocate their severely curtailed discretionary resources NOW. Now is the time for serious, dependable leadership from Lansing on down, not passive-aggressive administrative subterfuge. If I get a ticket for going out on my motorboat, will you provide your legal services gratis to defend my case? Put your money where your mouth is. Make said offer to all in a video. By doing so you will change the minds and hearts of many disillusioned Michiganders who regularly watch your excellent content

The only thing that would scare me is that there is a possibility of getting a judge that would rely on what the governor said versus the what THE LAW said.

So how could a lawyer take a case like this. Must be very incompetent.

There are no known circumstances under which a governing body may ban a blanket. Don't tread on my flannel. You can have my comforter when you pry its' fleecy goodness from my cold, dead hands.

George Carlin said it best.... "Some people are really f'ing stupid."

@Michigan_Tactical

4 жыл бұрын

Lol

@mr.h5436

4 жыл бұрын

@@oldjarhead386 You're correct sir! It's gotten so bad- they say the present POTUS has set a record in misleading statements and out right lies. Dark days indeed!

@IggyStardust1967

4 жыл бұрын

@@oldjarhead386 Interesting. Note, I didn't say WHICH people are stupid, and you straight said the government is incompetent(stupid), and the government is made up of …..non people? Is what you're saying? So, by your comment, I pretty much know which camp you belong in, scooter. Now run along, I believe your favorite window to lick is missing you right about now.

As you spoke about common sense, I thought, "Now there's something in very short supply in some circles."

Thanks for this video. You laid this out perfectly and explained it all in simple terms that anyone can understand. Sadly, this means it will go over the heads of MANY people. Some people just want to be offended or pissed off... Thanks again for another awesome video.

As an American, it is my constitutional right to imagine that I own a motorboat. The fact that my boat is imaginary in no way diminishes its' value to me, nor does that fact impinge upon my God given right to imagine myself boating. In short, both God's law and secular law defend my right to indulge nautical hallucinations. (Salutes the ensign as it retires and dives into the briny deep.)

@JasonW.

4 жыл бұрын

I agree.i also agree I have the right to believe you haven't 'Brought Out Another Thousand' yet this year for that boat. As such, I submit my imaginary bill for your imaginary boat's upkeep. Please pay in real dollars.

@kendallsmith1458

4 жыл бұрын

"We All Live in a Yellow Submarine"

@rodh1404

4 жыл бұрын

I imagine your imagination doesn't give you much physical exercise though. And section 7 is allows you "to engage in outdoor physical activity". Take your imagination for a walk outside and you'll be fine.

Do you get awarded attorneys fees when you have to appear in court for something that is clearly not against the law like the boat example? Or do you still, even if you did nothing wrong, have to carry the financial burden of wasting your time in court for nothing?

the cops will arrest and and write citations anyways and let the courts sort it out

@stevelehto

4 жыл бұрын

What would they cite you for?

@jstnnixon

4 жыл бұрын

@@stevelehto the old standby -disorderly conduct

Thanks Michigan, your nutcases got our Nevada nutcases all wound up.

@qjo

4 жыл бұрын

Florida here. We approve this comment.

@TheBandit7613

4 жыл бұрын

@@peterthegreat996 Yeah, she's a loon!

@NikoBellaKhouf

4 жыл бұрын

@@peterthegreat996 send her here to Illinois since you don't appreciate common sense!

I would love to see you get a bench appointment! Hell, I'd make my way to Michigan just to watch! :-)

when authorities cite and bring people to court wrongly, they should be punished and or fired.

You said you can go to court for a non law breaking and say fail to state a law would you have any recourse to being arrested or given a ticket for what common sense says isn't a broken law? or would that just get you disorderly, that old go to make the square peg in round hole.

@jeromewesselman4653

4 жыл бұрын

Some folks "can go to court" They "get to" go. They like it. Me? When I go to court, it's because I HAVE to "Originally I had planned to go boating, but instead I got to go to court! Yay!" What a world they live in, can't even imagine...

@grantpratt299

4 жыл бұрын

Remember when you get a ticket not to argue just be nice, or something you do may be a crime an then you have a problem.

Steve they are not boating but floating while "traveling" in a pre determined direction on water or other fluid.

Outside a squarerigger, sailboats can be sailed single handed... Maybe not at full sail, but any bermuda rig certainly can be sailed single handed, which is the rigging used for pleasure boats.

Thank you for that Steve. I laughed so hard at the analogy you gave of the judge; I could just see it.

Steve - did you ever get a face plant from a judge that you're willing to share?

"You went to law school, didn't you? A long time ago?" I couldn't hold it. I started laughing by this point. I had to share your video, I've been arguing (less efficiently) this exact issue for two days with some people.

legislative rights laws not the Michigan DNR or police officers That's why we have court systems

Yesterday I heard seeds 😄, car seats 😆, motor boats 😆. It just gets funnier every day

@mr.h5436

4 жыл бұрын

My neighbor has this same mentality as the lawsuit/seeds/etc.. ppl. He will say with conviction that the dear leader is telling the truth, if you casually bring up a whopper, "oh , that's just how he talks." He's a good neighbor, I like him, but he is from Florida, lol

Steve, the fact is, if no one is boating, the ban is defacto real, even if it is not in the law.

I agree with you. But went up around Crystal and they have police tape blocking the launch ramp. At Wabasis Lake in Kent Co the county yanked out the docks and posted signage “no motor boating”. I think there’s some unclarity somewhere.

Been to the launch at lake erie metro park and it is posted as to no motor boats per Governors order. Now I feel this is an overstretch of our government. The main issue is who's going to defend me in court for free.

_Lehto's Law: From Seeds to Shining Seeds_

@rodx5571

4 жыл бұрын

ok that is one pun i refuse to boo or hiss. its actually funny ha ha.

Maybe, the governor should have read the law instead of sending mix messages.

@jeromewesselman4653

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I'm not stupid for not reading it and not understanding it. Because as soon as I read it, I'll understand. But she wrote the thing. And doesn't understand it SMH

I wonder how this case will even be heard with the courts closed for all but urgent business.

Speaking of seeds... I was in Menard's today to get some handicap equipment for my ma, and right out on the main floor (not in the nursery section) they had a display of seeds, but it was all wrapped up with "caution tape" and unavailable to purchase. I couldn't help but to think of you, I was even going to take a pic... but I didn't want to ruffle your feathers. Sufficed to say, it's not only common folk misunderstanding the Gov's order... it's retailers as well.

@grantpratt299

4 жыл бұрын

Just because a store does not understand the law makes there interpretation of the law correct. If you want seeds try another store, the power of capitalism will make some available I am sure.

Nice reference to the Hitch Hikers Guide. Maybe if more people remembered to bring their towel, things wouldn't be so crazy.

Michigan DNR web site is, under boating, is stating that motor boating is banned.

@stevelehto

4 жыл бұрын

Yup, again, the web site is not the source of law in the state of Michigan. And here is an opposing opinion: www.baragacounty.org/ufaqs/test-question/

I do appreciate clarification. misinformation does happened the problem is when that information comes straight from the mouth of the governor and on more than one occasion how are you supposed to know better.

"A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest" lol :)

Oh. Well they must have all the notices at the boat launch there for nothing then.

I think the suit makes sense in forcing some court to make a clear statement. Police have sometimes overstepped the words of the executive orders and tried to enforce personal interpretations by lower-level officials that aren't reasonable. The scope of what is enforced right now does not match the scope of the orders. Some non-essential businesses continue to operate in violation of clear requirements while some permitted activities are assumed to be prohibited (like protesting).

@stevelehto

4 жыл бұрын

It would make more sense to find someone who was actually ticketed for this and pursue it that way (fighting the ticket itself). At this point you are asking for an interpretation of a law in light of statements made by people in the gov't.

@jeopardy4100

4 жыл бұрын

BOATING/HARBORS Non-motorized boating, such as canoeing, kayaking and sailing, falls within the outdoor activities permitted under the "Stay Home, Stay Safe" Executive Order. However, the use of a motorboat, jet ski or similar watercraft (includes gas and electric motors) is not permitted for the duration of the Executive Order, which is currently set to expire at 11:59 p.m. April 30.

@Lawofimprobability

4 жыл бұрын

@@stevelehto Perhaps. If the goal is simply to have a court decision to present that boating is permitted, then the trouble of finding someone ticketed seems non-essential.

@grantpratt299

4 жыл бұрын

@@Lawofimprobability To get a court decision wouldn't you need someone affected by the law to be represented in the court decision? You still need someone to get a ticket. And have a court ruling.

@Steve Lehto I agree with you on this because of you analysis about your canoe and the prosecutors analysis.

The more people that band together the faster the IQ level drops... The internet was one of the world's best inventions. It allowed people all over the world to band together like no other time in history. Wait...

@jerrymyrtle1944

4 жыл бұрын

Was told: one teenager is okay, Two are a challenge, Three have an averaged IQ level and Four are a doorknob. I am seeing some people never outgrow this.

@lknanml

4 жыл бұрын

@@jerrymyrtle1944 I need to remember that one... LMAO.

Wouldn't the lawyers filing the action know better? Just asking.

@4589scott

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, ya'd think so, lol. I'm pretty sure MUCC just wanted to get it on record, make it look like they're still relevant for some reason.

Steve, their point is to prevent the fools who don't know how read the law from trying to endorse the law improperly. Why have police cite people, require a trial in front of a judge when the whole thing is bogus. They are suing to stop that from happening to us.

@refinnej5302

4 жыл бұрын

Generally lawsuits involve a harm occurred (someone cited for a motor boat), not what ifs.

OK, Steve, you bought some seeds. Now let's see you use your motorboat.

Crappy reporting, leads to disjointed quotations from the complaint. I don't think that the reporter came frame a complete and logical thought, which leads to even more confusion when people read the article, or worse, get excerpts passed along second and third hand. What a sane lawyer would be seeking injunctive relief of is sloppy and/or arbitrary implementation of the executive order by a state agency or agencies... It is entirely plausible that DNR employees are taking it upon themselves to make things up as they go, and as we have seen many times, there are people who when given a little bit of power let it go to their heads - even find enjoyment from being the evil Barney Fife... I dunno Steve, maybe, since the plaintiffs are in the same state as you, you could have reached out in a phone call and asked them what they are actually doing? Or gotten a copy of the lawsuit filing from the court, and read that before getting all dramatic? After all, they might still be disjointed and illogical, but at least you would have better confirmation of that than what came out of the word salad from the news article...

My County (Lake County, CA) ordered our lake closed to all boats. Our lake (Clear Lake) is full of Bass and is used by fishermen from around the U.S. They wanted to keep the tourists away. It has worked because we have much less cases of the virus compared to nearby Counties. Some residents complained saying it should be open to locals, but then the Sheriff would have to spend time checking out residency of every boater on our huge lake (largest in CA).

I loved the reference to Hitchhikers Guide to the Universe at the end , 42 is the answer to the ultimate question LOL

If I recall correctly Florida is allowing people to use their boats as long they follow social distancing and they are one of the hardest hit states.

I have imaginary friends, why can't I file imaginary law suits?

I guess I don't understand. If there is a stay-at-home order (ban on all activity accept this) and there is an "exemption" list that "allows" certain activities, how is that not a ban of those things NOT on the list? i.e. motorized boating

I believe they filed this suit to prevent over zealous actions by department of natural resource employees and Law enforcement officers. As the quoted district attorney stated other officials may not interpret it the same as he does. Granted I would likely win but lose 300-500 bucks taking a day off from work to do so.

@stevelehto

4 жыл бұрын

So they are seeking to stop something that might happen?

@richardclark7948

4 жыл бұрын

@@stevelehto Yes,yes they are. That's how absurd some politicians are becoming.

Don't you just love it Steve when folks jump to a conclusion and don't do their research before making/sharing a claim which turns out to be false?

"Common sense should apply..." That's a fairly rare commodity these days, Steve.

So I'm listening to Steve, and I'm reading the comments. Let me tell ALL of you, including Steve, that the boat launches are CLOSED. If your boat is in a slip, you cannot take it out of the slip. I fish the Detroit River 20+ times a year in the spring and this is prime time. I fish with my children that live in my house... no social distancing required. There is no reason whatsoever for people to be stopped from going in a motor boa and if your so thick-headed to dismiss this as rumor, I feel sorry for you. If you think this isn't happening you are 100% WRONG. The U.S. Coast Guard does not enforce Michigan law, they enforce Maritime law. If they catch you on the Detroit River right now, as I'm typing this, they radio the DNR and they show up in Boat in 5 minutes and WRITE YOU A $1,000 TICKET. End of story. Search Captain Nick on KZread and watch the video yourself. You can also read stories on the fishing forums on Michigan Sportsmen and get more of the same. I watch Steve's videos because they are informative and educational, but you are simply wrong. For the record, I used Steve Lehto in a lawsuit back @ 2007 and won (thanks Steve!), so I highly respect your opinion and professionalism. I am going to make an offer to you that will make quite a good You Tube show; I will take you out on the lake in my fishing boat and we can record the Police or the DNR come after us in my boat or have them meet us at the boat launch upon our return, and see what happens. They WILL write me a $1,000 ticket, right in front of your eyes and on camera and you can accompany me to court, for free of course. (I know some you are going to scream "social distancing", at which point I will offer to take my 14 year old son and Steve can stand at the dock). All the snickering and comments from people on here that don't fish or boat is really disappointing. The MUCC is a great organization, with a whole bunch of smart people involved with it, and they don't deserve the back-handed treatment. They're not a bunch of backwoods, camo wearing, Tabaco spitting red necks. So if they are filing suit against these DRACONIAN measures, it's for a good reason. This whole "Covid-19" situation has been handled wrong, and as far as I'm concerned, most of the population of this state and the rest of the country are sheep. You've ruined millions of lives and business. Gullible sheep.

@jeromewesselman4653

4 жыл бұрын

Good info here. I await Mr. Lehto's enlightened reply to your comment. He is under the false impression (as was I) that tickets are not being written to boaters and that a Michigan boating ban constitutes a trivial legal misunderstanding. Your comment demonstrates otherwise. Will Mr. Lehto and his rather smug commenters on this matter take you up on your challenge?

@grantpratt299

4 жыл бұрын

As I read you statement I am interested in why you can't pull out of your slip. As you stated the ramps are closed. Is your slip closed too? What law are you quoting that pulling out of your slip is in reference too? They can write many tickles to include not having a fishing lic, no safety gear in your boat, your boat not registered. but if everything is in good order than what is wrong. Let me ask a hypothetical situation. If you pull your boat out of a slip in Wisconsin and sail into Michigan waters is that a violation. You did not use a launch in Michigan or even a slip?

Stupid is as stupid does.... Keep it up Steve your the best TV available these days. "Viva Frei" is another KZread lawyer worth watching

I think the biggest problem here is misinformation or more the disconnect between the actual executive orders and how they’re relayed/reported even from the governors themselves. I’ve personally seen this both with the Governor of Michigan and New York, my state. The executive orders are what matters unfortunately the governors describe or personally report their orders as something else. I’ve seen the governor of Michigan talking about not allowing the sale of paint, other non-essential items, etc. despite thus not being directly identified in the orders; thus is were some people got the car seat and other issues. I think they took what the governor said as what the case was, not what the orders were. I’ve seen this as well in NYS where our governor said masks were required to be work despite the order stating that they weren’t required to always be worn. The law including executive orders can be difficult for some to understand because “and” and “or” mean very different things in the law which not everyone grasps. The problem I gave is faded on the intent of the governors because if they are knowingly and intentionally misrepresenting their orders with how they describe them it’s wrong; I do cut some slack because not all are smart or trained in emergency management and may just not understand the orders as they were given to sign and are just repeating the order as they understand it. That’s why it’s important to go to the source of the law (executive order) directly unfortunately the media and people aren’t doing this and some are seemingly taken advantage of this to mislead people. The problem with this is it shouldn’t fall to the people to challenge false arrests and penalties in court because the people get harmed in the mean time. And in NYS the courts are closed for non-essential business so people can be in limbo until this is over with. Ask the Japanese American how their unconstitutional internment was during WW2 because while it was wrong while it was happening the government did it until the Courts told them they shouldn’t of. This is the complaints now that won’t be resolved for dome time. Just because politicians and the government can do things doesn’t mean they should.

This needs to be explained to the cops who are monitoring the CLOSED boat launches and ticketing anyone who dares to go out on the water.

@jamesduggan5846

4 жыл бұрын

Go boating. Stop living in fear. You will win in court. Besides, at this rate it will take years to ever get to your case. Plenty of time for the prosecutor to obtain some common sense and drop the charges. Life is too short. Have fun and stay safe.

"If I was the judge I'd make it last all day" lol.... we need more judges like that. Thanks for sharing

CRL's closing comment was perfect for today's segment!

The mental health benefits of fish are apparently exaggerated.

@JasonW.

4 жыл бұрын

You spelt beer wrong

@mr.h5436

4 жыл бұрын

LOL! Best comment yet!

My take is the law/order is somewhat ambiguous. It specifically says "physical activity is permissible", but law enforcement could construe a motorized boat as non-physical activity as _YOU_ are not powering the boat. Thus a row boat would be "legal" to operate, but a motorboat would not. Perhaps the lawsuit is seeking clarification of the ambiguity of this law. 🤷‍♂️ Perhaps the company was specifically told they couldn't sell motorboats by some government agent. I have been hearing some really insane shit, like in PA the service department of a dealership could be open to maintain vehicles ,but the sales department was not allowed to operate as it was deemed "non-essential". But what happens if your car is totaled and you have an insurance check and want to buy a brand new car instead of some used beater? I would not consider this lawsuit frivolous just yet. Any lawsuit that challenges the power and authority of government is a good thing. It serves to let government know that their power _IS_ limited.

So, she was lying? That is not ok! I appreciate your level headed analysis. We are going nuts!

@staudtj1

4 жыл бұрын

Our President has lied over 13000 times .... I guess we've just gotten use to Him doing it.

This is from the Michigan DNR website. “BOATING/HARBORS Non-motorized boating, such as canoeing, kayaking and sailing, falls within the outdoor activities permitted under the "Stay Home, Stay Safe" Executive Order. However, the use of a motorboat, jet ski or similar watercraft (includes gas and electric motors) is not permitted for the duration of the Executive Order, which is currently set to expire at 11:59 p.m. April 30. Any outdoor activity, including boating, must be done in a manner consistent with social distancing, and individuals should use only their own equipment to prevent the transmission of the virus through the touching of shared surfaces. In addition, persons not part of a single household may not boat together. State harbors are closed through at least May 15. There are no services available, including bathroom buildings, electrical, fuel, pumpouts, etc. and no slip reservations can be made.” It looks like the DNR disagrees with you on a couple points. Glad I sold my boat. I just want to go and fishing.

When those tasked with enforcing rules( real or not), think there is a rule and they enforce a rule(real or not). There is in practice a rule. Like always, a useful interpretation is needed and most often it takes a lawsuit in order to get bureaucrats to relinquish back our freedoms.

Hey Steve, after watching this video, I e-mailed both the Governors office and the DNR for claification. The DNR finally responded by simply saying contact the Governors office or the Attorney General. Interesting that The DNR website states motorized boats are prohibited from use , yet the enforcers of that now refuse to comment. Thanks for another great video with fantastic information.

They could make the argument that a motorboat doesn’t qualify as physical activity. Meaning violates the spirit of the law by not qualifying as exercise.

@Bob-Lob-Law

4 жыл бұрын

water skiing is

If motorboats were not included in the exceptions couldn’t one interpret that as being banned?

@stevelehto

4 жыл бұрын

Didn't mention helicopters, unicycles or zebras either.

@budrowe949

4 жыл бұрын

OH-NO !!! I can’t fish from the back of my zebra ? Well crap !!!

@michaelc.sobczyk9100

4 жыл бұрын

Steve Lehto: I have the feeling from a non lawyers perspective that the exceptions were listed because it was easier than listing all of the actually banned activities. Unfortunately this leads to confusion And yes those weren’t listed either which could be interpreted as being banned also.

@stevelehto

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaelc.sobczyk9100 How can they be on a list of banned activities if they are not on the list?

@michaelc.sobczyk9100

4 жыл бұрын

Steve Lehto I didn’t say they were on a list of banned activities. I’ll put it another way...if an activity isn’t on the list of exceptions it can be reasonably interpreted that it falls into the category of banned activities even if there isn’t a specific list of banned activities. If the executive order failed to list every outdoor activity as being banned or allowed then legally it should be ok to perform any activity not specifically listed?

Thank you for clarifying that.

I was at tractor supply the other day and they had all of the seeds blocked off so no one could get to them?

Can I sue for injuries from not owning a boat?

I'm glad you clarified this.

It’s almost like some exclusive guild has had virtual control over the enactment, enforcement, and interpretation of the law for so long that others can’t figure out what’s actually in those thousands of pages. Of course, that’s not true or by now such an organization would surely have made the laws much better and more easily understood by everyone. :)

@jeromewesselman4653

4 жыл бұрын

Yes because surely they care about us and want us to prosper in all ways

If you don’t think there are sheriffs that take their Qs from what the governor says than your naive . You’ll still be out the cost to defend the ticket.

@stevelehto

4 жыл бұрын

1) Have you heard of anyone being ticketed for this? 2) www.baragacounty.org/ufaqs/test-question/

@georgefaught3390

4 жыл бұрын

Steve Lehto No tickets but law enforcement over stepping their bounds definitely. You covered the girl and the instagram account. So it is not far fetched that a sheriff or deputy thinking their fallowing governors orders ,to ticket someone. KZread is full of officers not knowing the law, enforcing what they think is the law. In these times the governor should stick to the facts of the law.

@georgefaught3390

4 жыл бұрын

Steve Lehto go to the Ed Golder interview and you can see why people want clarification.

@stevelehto

4 жыл бұрын

@@georgefaught3390 I have no problem with clarification. That is not what they said the suit was about. They said it was to strike down the Blanket Ban on Boating. And there isn't one in the order.

@georgefaught3390

4 жыл бұрын

Steve Lehto but it does force the state to clarify. Makes people aware. Now I’ll give you that local media has shown the walking back of the governors office but their not doing a good job of getting the word out.

Great episode. Really beginning to enjoy hearing about the trials and tribulations there. This one made me laugh. Though Texas has had its share of silliness lately. Really enjoy your show✌

Ok i looked the order and in section 2 it states " all individuals currently living within the State of Michigan are ordered to stay at home or at their place of residence." then it give some exceptions in section 7 "Subject to the exceptions in section 7 of this order" section 7 said in part, " Exceptions. Individuals may leave their home or place of residence, and travel as necessary: To engage in outdoor physical activity, consistent with remaining at least six feet from people from outside the individual’s household. Outdoor physical activity includes walking, hiking, running, cycling, kayaking, canoeing, or other similar physical activity, as well as any comparable activity for those with limited mobility." If i was telling the judge what crime was committed i would site section 2 of the order, and that there was no exemptions for power boats and would affirm that it was the intent of the law noting statements that the Governor said. this is assuming that is what the governor said. This is not hating, its how i read this and how every person with out a law degree would likely read this. Could you help clarify this. think you :-)

You should definitely get a Viper. Apparently they leak but only $100 dollar bills.

There is nothing in that executive order that says you are allowed to breathe while you are canoeing. So I guess you have to hold your breath.

Just curious how the governor’s executive order doesn’t violate the right to assembly?

based on what your reading, it sounds like the power that be are enforcing something and prohibiting the motor boat even though the orders do not ban it.

Steve, your point is certainly well founded and while I agree with your interpretation of the executive order it’s clear that the official position of the state of Michigan is different than your reading of the order. Given the official statements made on the Michigan.gov web site regarding how the state is interpreting the order it seems to me that the lawsuit is justified. Because clearly the government of Michigan is interpreting the order to include a ban on motorized boats.

@stevelehto

4 жыл бұрын

The lawsuit, however, is aimed at the "Blanket Ban on Boating." When it should be aimed at "Confusing Interpretation of the Law."

Enough with this asking for written citations! This is going too far, even for a lawyer! ;)

Much like the statements of a car salesman that don’t appear on your paperwork are meaningless.

Steve, you taught us that laws typically have definitions of terms. It appears that in this case both the governor and the litigants think that 'operating motor vehicles' (e.g. cars, boats) does NOT fall in the exception clause of 'physical exercise' (e.g., running, hiking, kayaking)

Im sure they write a ticket for violating the " Stay at home order". You have to stay at home except for these physical activities... Doesn't specifically say you can "motor boat", but it does say you can canoe. I don't live it Michigan, but the prosecutor can say "boating is not physical activity". They are suing for clarity. Btw, if you're boating in a "house boat", would that apply since its technically a domicile.

Homeland security is sitting at the Delray and River Rouge Belanger park boat launches not allowing boats to be launched. Soooooooo what then?

@grantpratt299

4 жыл бұрын

Does homeland security have the jurisdiction to do that? I don't think they enforce state law do they?

I had a call at work from a Michigan resident talking about this boat thing specifically but add the because boat launches are closed and that is how you get a motorized boat in the water that the law is discriminating against motorized boat owners. I had to hold my tongue as a professional but was rolling my eyes at the thought. She mention other off the wall theories that have been already mentioned on you other shows too. I bet even stranger things are to come.

Can a state or county force someone to take a covid-19 test in order to keep working? It;s being talked about here in Telluride Colorado. Sounds a bit evasive on my rights? Any thoughts?

That's it, i'm launching my boat! - I'll just tell em Steve sent me. - you guys will come bail me out right?

"...42, and thanks for all the fish."

So, we aren't allowed to be tied up together in a boat in Michigan, Steve? That's horrible. How do they expect all those Hoffa mafiosa types to have any fun? Next, they'll outlaw concrete shoes. What has the world come too? LOL Thanks for the great vids.