Last Crusade or First Modern War? The Crimean War 1853-1856

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The Crimean War between the Ottoman Empire and Russia (and later the UK and France) has been called the last crusade and the first modern war at the same time.
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• Gorizontov, Leonid: The Crimean War as a Test of Russia’s Imperial Durability, in: Russian Social Science Review, Vol. 62, pp. 416-442, Taylor & Francis, London, 2021.
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• Lang, Wilhelm: Cavour und der Krimkrieg, in: Historische Zeitschrift, Vol. 53, No. 1 pp. 1-42, Oldenbourg Wissenschaftsverlag, München, 1885.
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  • @realtimehistory
    @realtimehistory Жыл бұрын

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  • @biologicalengineoflove6851

    @biologicalengineoflove6851

    Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video thanks!! FYI no link in description to Drachnifel as ref'd @ 10:00. Will definitely be watching his vid though.

  • @oneshotme

    @oneshotme

    Жыл бұрын

    A link for the war at sea sure would have been very helpful!!!!

  • @TeddyBelcher4kultrawide

    @TeddyBelcher4kultrawide

    Жыл бұрын

    It turns out the USS Pennsylvania did all the heavy shooting

  • @joiedevie3901

    @joiedevie3901

    Жыл бұрын

    Я читал, что вы говорите на французском, немецком и русском языках. Это также три из моих пяти языков. Вы часто показываете свои навыки на первых двух языках на своих видео. Используете ли вы русский язык в своих презентациях?

  • @jessealexander2695

    @jessealexander2695

    Жыл бұрын

    @@joiedevie3901 Иногда, но редко.

  • @noobster4779
    @noobster4779 Жыл бұрын

    Yes, the Austrian Emperor "Franz Josef" mentioned on the sideline here is the same one as in World War 1 The guy ruled for 68 years...

  • @ForelliBoy

    @ForelliBoy

    Жыл бұрын

    And on a side note, yes that Leo Tolstoy that wrote those grand literary workd

  • @PalleRasmussen

    @PalleRasmussen

    Жыл бұрын

    Longest reigning monarch ever IIRC.

  • @Wolf_Larsen

    @Wolf_Larsen

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@PalleRasmussen that'd be Louis XIV at 72 years. Elizabeth II is #2 at 70 years.

  • @PalleRasmussen

    @PalleRasmussen

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Wolf_Larsen you are right indeed. That will teach me to trust John Merriman. Sadly for my Denmark, one of our most incompetent monarchs is also by far the longest ruling.

  • @martijn9568

    @martijn9568

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@Wolf_Larsen Those are the only ones we've got proper records for😉

  • @toekneekerching9543
    @toekneekerching9543 Жыл бұрын

    I think when the Tsar said "Crimea is not Russia" he meant it more in the sense that defeat in Crimea does not mean Russia is defeated in the same way that in 1812 the fall of Moscow did not mean Russian defeat.

  • @richarddick1842

    @richarddick1842

    Жыл бұрын

    Yup

  • @yclMustafa

    @yclMustafa

    Жыл бұрын

    yes. he was right. Although we won, we lost a lot. As a result, the Crimea remained with the Russians.

  • @user-oi1tu5cu1w

    @user-oi1tu5cu1w

    Жыл бұрын

    @@yclMustafa The united armies of three empires, for a whole year, could not take one Russian city, and when they took it, they returned it back and left the Crimea, and they called all this a victory over Russia and are still celebrating. The British are still casting orders from Russian cannons captured in Sevastopol. 😂

  • @yclMustafa

    @yclMustafa

    Жыл бұрын

    @@user-oi1tu5cu1w I also have to ask this. If we had taken the Crimea without the Allies inflicting too many casualties, could we still be permanent? because it was an alliance that could not get along with itself. and the political balances were not exactly on the side of the Ottomans. There was a Britain that belittled its other allies. Even if we won the Crimean War with fewcasualties, I don't think we would be permanent. Oh man. Don't mention the light cavalry charge. they still tell British children about that absurd attack as a heroic tale. On the contrary, they put us Turks and Scottish cavalry in a very difficult situation there. Of course, they never tell the truth because they belittle the Turks.

  • @dappert4730

    @dappert4730

    Жыл бұрын

    @@yclMustafa We don't tell British kids that it is a purely heroic tale though, that hasn't been done for decades. Its framed as heroic men being ordered to do something suicidal but still trying anyway. We tell it as an example of heroism undermined by foolish leadership. Theres a whole historical debate on if that is entirely fair I guess but my point is we dont teach kids "Hey aren't suicide attacks great?". I mean tbh I'm not sure how many average British kids would even know the story of the Light Brigade nowadays

  • @theyellowjesters
    @theyellowjesters Жыл бұрын

    "A brief history of the Crimea war" was one of the first history books I read in highschool, and alongside Phyrrus of Epirus, the Crimean War was one of the first true history topica I tackled in school. It has a special place in my heart for that so thank you for covering it!!

  • @abrvalg321

    @abrvalg321

    Жыл бұрын

    What a strange leap for your school to cover ancient history and 19th century.

  • @theyellowjesters

    @theyellowjesters

    Жыл бұрын

    @@abrvalg321 the book i read on my own. but ya i took two classes one which covered ancient the renaissance and the second covered from then till WW1, where we took a Canadian history class years before. they were super fun :)

  • @momcilopucar8749

    @momcilopucar8749

    Жыл бұрын

    ​​@@abrvalg321 Yet his school was teaching him lies like this Video. UK, France and Turkey had lost war Badly. Yet Western created propaganda is still lying and rewriting fake history in their favour, lies!!👎

  • @alvin8391

    @alvin8391

    Жыл бұрын

    You and your high school were remarkable. History is perhaps the most neglected subject in USA's high school. My college experience in New York City's Brooklyn College was of a required history course that focussed on how agricultural production was measured in medieval Europe!

  • @theyellowjesters

    @theyellowjesters

    Жыл бұрын

    @@alvin8391 I ended up going to University for History. i live in Canada and the situation here with regards to history isn't much better, I just got lucky. whoa! that sounds so cool!

  • @Stamboul
    @Stamboul Жыл бұрын

    4 details about the war that I think are worth mentioning: 1) To ensure that Greece would not enter the war on Russia's side, Anglo-French forces occupied the port of Piraeus. The Hellenic government did sponsor revolts among the Greeks in the Ottoman Empire, but these were unsuccessful. Popular dissatisfaction with this failure to exploit a moment of Ottoman weakness would contribute to the overthrow of King Otto in 1862. 2) In the Pacific, Russian ships were saved from destruction at the hands of the British by crossing the narrow Nevelskoy Strait that separates Sakhalin from the Asian mainland. The Russians at this time were the only Europeans to have discovered that Sakhalin was actually an island rather than a peninsula and what looked like a bay was actually a strait. 3) The Treaty of Paris led to the demilitarization of the Ålands, a status they have maintained even to this day, as part of independent Finland. 4) The Treaty of Paris also led to creation of Romania. The Danubian Principalities were placed under the collective protectorate of the belligerent countries plus Austria and Prussia and popular consultations were organized in each principality that eventually led to the same man being elected as prince of both.

  • @robrob9050

    @robrob9050

    11 ай бұрын

    Interesting, they repeteated #1 during WW1 with landing in Thessaloniki ensuring that Venizelos prevailed in his struggle against "neutrality" camp in Greece.

  • @bpeper1365

    @bpeper1365

    3 ай бұрын

    What were the Prussians thinking during this war? I think I read there was deep division regarding the Crimean war with most *conservatives* opposing it and sympathising with Russia. Is that true?

  • @Stamboul

    @Stamboul

    3 ай бұрын

    @bpeper1365 Prussian conservatives had long been pro-Russian, as Russia was seen as the premiere conservative power in Europe, and this still counted for a lot in the years after the Spring of Nations. Only after Bismarck remade the map of Central Europe did this class start to think of Russia as an enemy.

  • @joiedevie3901
    @joiedevie3901 Жыл бұрын

    Although you cite technological advances, there are several aspects of this war you do not mention that would have significant impact on our own Civl War to begin five years later. Among the Crimean War's foreign observers was the Union's own General McClellan. He observed the siege of Sevastopol and prepared a critical analysis, as well as detailed description of European army organization and deployment. He also wrote a manual on cavalry tactics based on Russian regulations. He observed the advantage that the railroad provided for tactical troop deployment: something that would give the Union distinct advantage over the Confederacy in the near future. While the U.S. was officially neutral, American support for Russia was reflected by the more than 30 American surgeons who volunteered to serve the Russian military and the presence of American military observers, like McClellan, on the Russian side. Years later that diplomatic amity would manifest in Russian naval support of the Union during the Civil War with its Atlantic fleet in New York Harbor and its Pacific fleet in San Francisco Bay. Six Russian sailors are buried at the Mare Island Military Cemetery north of San Francisco who helped fight the SF fire of 1863. That relationship also laid the foundation for the Alaska purchase. Finally, the Crimean War was the first major war to have a photographic record. The power of wartime journalism via photography and the telegraph (which you do mention) would change the political relationship between war and the home-front forever. Roger Fenton was among the great early photographers who brought back a sense of the real horror and carnage of the war as well as how people adapted on the fronts and right behind the lines. Our own Civil War would elevate the art and craft of wartime photography with Alex Gardner and Matthew Brady, who learned across an ocean from Fenton's visual accomplishments with the Crimean War and they would set standards here that would be followed for generations. Luv ya' madly, Jesse! You are a history nerd's best buddy on the worldwide web! 💪🤎🎓

  • @jessealexander2695

    @jessealexander2695

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks. Our goal in this episode was not to focus on the Crimean War's connection to the US Civil War (not mine as I am not American) - though I would have mentioned the Union advisors if I had known about that, it is interesting. We did mention photographs in the script and used them extensively in this video.

  • @joiedevie3901

    @joiedevie3901

    Жыл бұрын

    @@jessealexander2695 Thank you for your reply. Your presentation was outstanding, the items I raised previously notwithstanding. One aspect of your videos that I find compelling is the depth with which you explore the contexts of these events beyond the surface. Also, you do a great job of explaining the underlying complexity and what is often left out of popular narrative. And you make it all fun with your skillful exposition! The linkage to the upcoming US Civil War is not suggested to inject an American perspective as much as it is to illustrate how interconnected world events are even when our textbooks omit those facts. In the mid-19th century, the geopolitics were in play at a global level more than conventional narratives imply. Congratulations again on your great work.

  • @arslongavitabrevis5136

    @arslongavitabrevis5136

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much for this excellent information about McClellan and the American doctors who volunteered to help the Russian Army. BTW, Tsar Alexander II returned the courtesy sending the Russian fleet in support to the Union during the Civil War. Some believe it was a warning to the British who were sympathetic towards the South.

  • @joiedevie3901

    @joiedevie3901

    Жыл бұрын

    @@arslongavitabrevis5136 You are welcome. Indeed, Alexander II's action was as you described. UK's Lord Palmerston and France's Napoleon III had approached Alexander II to join in pressing Lincoln to end the war and recognize the Confederacy: Britain principally for the cotton needed in its textile industry and France for the same reason in addition to its imperial desires on Mexico, which it felt would be better pursued with a permanently dismembered US. Alexander II refused and instead sent his navies to the harbors of NYC and SF. When you state: "Some believe it was a warning to the British who were sympathetic towards the South," that is not speculation: the American banker Wharton Barker published in The Independent (LVI) of March 24, 1904, about his conversation with Alexander II on August 17, 1879 confirming that the Czar issued an ultimatum to Britain and France specifying that if they intervened on behalf of the Confederacy, they would immediately be at war with Russia. It is conceivable that the First World War was avoided in 1863! Remember that one of the outcomes of the Crimean war was Alexander II's abolition of serfdom two years ahead of Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation. Alexander II revealed years later at the time he did not think that Lincoln's September 22, 1862 Emancipation Proclamation went far enough since it did not abolish slavery across all states, but considered slaves in the belligerent Confederacy having the right under wartime to be free if they escaped or if Union troops occupied their area. Actual abolition came in 1865 with the XIII Amendment. So much rich history that is rarely taught but that always explains our global connection!

  • @arslongavitabrevis5136

    @arslongavitabrevis5136

    Жыл бұрын

    @@joiedevie3901 Thank you very much for the added information. I did not know the reasons for France to get involved in the American Civil War, now it all makes sense. Have a nice Sunday!

  • @andreastveranger1331
    @andreastveranger1331 Жыл бұрын

    Can you in Real Time History make a video about the Russian-Turkish war 1877-1878? This war is in my opinion one of the forgotten preludes to ww1, and it is somewhat strange that it's not that much information on it in Norway or the west

  • @realtimehistory

    @realtimehistory

    Жыл бұрын

    if there is as much footage as from the crimean war, sure

  • @FamMiron

    @FamMiron

    Жыл бұрын

    @@realtimehistory // Romania participated on the side of Russia in the War of 1877-1878. As a result of this war, Romania won its independence from the Ottoman Empire. Although Romania entered the war at the request of Russia, which was in great difficulty on the Balkan front, at the end of the war Russia treated Romania miserably, the situation reaching the point where an armed conflict almost broke out between the former allies. Anyway, the idea is, if you decide to make a documentary about this war, you can find consistent sources of documentation in the works of Romanian historians. Success!

  • @heofonfyr6000

    @heofonfyr6000

    Жыл бұрын

    not really strange... western Europeans always downplay and dengrate Russia. we're doing it right now 😆 despite our governments being exposed for cowardly criminality and material military weakness. 🤣🤷🏻‍♂️ we should be immensely embarrassed by Russia's demonstration of strength and integrity but our media is publishing 24/7 that Russia is weak 😂🤡🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @haha-ui3fp

    @haha-ui3fp

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@FamMiron That's very strange. How can anyone "request Romania to enter war" if Romania wasn't an independent country? Just by not fighting for the Ottomans the subjects of sultan are already rebelling against his rule and Romanians were doing much more than just not fighting for the sultan. Heck it's the Russian involvement in the 1877-8 war that came as a result of Russia interfering in the internal conflict/rebellions in Ottoman Empire, not Russia requesting the local people to take part in their war against the Ottoman. In the end Russia gained minimal land gains from the war (less than Austro-Hungary & Britain that didn't even fight in the war), granted independence to a bunch of Balkan states hoping for allies only to see a majority of the new countries join anti-Russian alliances and fight wars against it soon after.

  • @user-ls4kz9zu7r

    @user-ls4kz9zu7r

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@haha-ui3fp Roumania had its own army, it was an autonomous principality. The Russians requested the intervention of the Roumanian army after the defeat in the second battle of Plevna. Nothing strange if you have minimal knowledge of history in the Balkan area.

  • @MrWhiskers65
    @MrWhiskers65 Жыл бұрын

    Great to see KZread historical sites working together for a more comprehensive in-depth and detailed coverage of the same historical event at the same time! This equals awesomeness for us nerds who love and can’t get enough of this stuff! 🎉❤😊 Thank you!🙏

  • @jeffholloway3882

    @jeffholloway3882

    Жыл бұрын

    Agreed

  • @rabihrac
    @rabihrac Жыл бұрын

    What a war! A mini world war... Being the first war with photographs is awesome. We can see the attitudes of men who lived and probably died nearly 180 years ago! Great storytelling Jesse. And great maps, too. Happy Easter. Cheers!

  • @realtimehistory

    @realtimehistory

    Жыл бұрын

    same to you Rabih

  • @tonyarceneaux286

    @tonyarceneaux286

    Жыл бұрын

    @@realtimehistory Can you do american presidents documentaries?

  • @Yirayol

    @Yirayol

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah, probably

  • @Wasserkaktus

    @Wasserkaktus

    Жыл бұрын

    How was this a world war? Most of it was restricted to the Balkans and Black Sea.

  • @masonhandforth1369

    @masonhandforth1369

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@Wasserkaktus and it didn't have all the main powers

  • @Halcon_Sierreno
    @Halcon_Sierreno Жыл бұрын

    French and British fighting alongside Ottomans against Russians. There are no permanent allies, only permanent interests.

  • @user-vj9wf3ne3k

    @user-vj9wf3ne3k

    Жыл бұрын

    In half a century everything will be the other way around)))

  • @vl7297

    @vl7297

    9 ай бұрын

    And after that, the Russian Empire will help these Frenchmen in the First World War by sending hundreds of thousands of its military to help France, now France and Great Britain are sending weapons against Russia, from which civilians of Donbass are dying. British high-range missiles caused the destruction of civilian objects and the death of civilians, civilians were killed by French howitzers. It is better not to mess with such allies.

  • @vlbluu124

    @vlbluu124

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@vl7297Different leaders and times ? I mean its obvious countries and empires don't stay allied for ever, Britain and France were ennemies for centuries and just before this conflict. Russia changed a lot after world war 1 so France and the rest of europe People trying to say any of those countries are wrong for changing their sides are hilarious we don't live in a fairy tale. Most countries today are allied for strategic purpose of some sort of agreement on something.

  • @vlbluu124

    @vlbluu124

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@vl7297and your comment seems a bit arrogant in my opinion, Russia declared war to help Serbia not France if by any means France helped Russia and Serbia by declaring war on Germany (even though they wanted it to retake territory) So yeah, its not like Russia saved France or vice versa, both countried got involved and had political interests.

  • @alejandromaldonado6159

    @alejandromaldonado6159

    6 ай бұрын

    Russia believes in permanent allies. Britain and France were selfish secular nations who justified their wars against other Europeans based on nonsensical idea of balance of power.

  • @GabdeVue
    @GabdeVue Жыл бұрын

    Such a well structured and sourced video on this fascinating historical issue. Thank you. I love learning this way.

  • @m.roland7686
    @m.roland7686 Жыл бұрын

    Few is changed, same wars in same regions in order to protect same interests. Just nowadays, countries are not declaring war directly because of nuclear weapons. History is the greatest teacher if you know how to look.

  • @Rayan2Musikahan
    @Rayan2Musikahan Жыл бұрын

    Crimean war should never be forgotten. Thank you for the modern approach in telling it's story compared to the usual snorefest we see on tv making it somewhat neglected.

  • @yclMustafa

    @yclMustafa

    Жыл бұрын

    I don't understand why this war attracts so much attention from foreigners. In our country, it is not even taught in our high school history lessons. Although the defense of Silistra is well known in our country, no one knows Musa Hulisi Pasha, who was given the rank of Marshal before he was martyred. What are the effects of this war on your country today?

  • @John.McMillan

    @John.McMillan

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@yclMustafaOne does not need to be directly impacted to learn history.

  • @Wasserkaktus

    @Wasserkaktus

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@yclMustafa It isn't taught in American Schools much either (any wars around that time are completely overshadowed by the American Civil.War). The Crimean War isn't really seen as a Turkish-involved War, but is instead seen more as an attempt to stop massive Russian aggression and expansion, which absolutely would have happened has Britain and France opted not to get involved, and as much as the Ottomans were disliked in the Balkans overall, they were much, much better than the warmongering Russians who would use any excuse to eventually annex the Balkans.

  • @yclMustafa

    @yclMustafa

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Wasserkaktus His influence on the American civil war is true. but all the other hypotheses you mentioned are wrong and not correct. Britain and France entered the war to break the power of Russia in the Mediterranean. Very interestingly, it was England and France that brought Russia into the Mediterranean.

  • @Wasserkaktus

    @Wasserkaktus

    Жыл бұрын

    @@yclMustafa Uh, no I am correct, and everything you just said supports that. Russia was getting far too powerful, and their excuses to defend "Christendom" from the Ottomans were just a ridiculous pretext for them to expand. Britain and France chose to enter and put Russia in check because they saw through this Ruse and what Russia's real goals were.

  • @ares106
    @ares106 Жыл бұрын

    “The last crusade” fought to prop up the Ottomans 😂 But I suppose it wasn’t as bad as the 4th crusade.

  • @MarcoBonechi

    @MarcoBonechi

    10 ай бұрын

    Ahahah you really fail in comprehension. It was the Russian goblin dictatorship that believed they were in a crusade.

  • @andreoliveira685

    @andreoliveira685

    Ай бұрын

    The crusade from the guys that stole most of catholic land against an orthodox state? weird title

  • @FoxWolfWorld
    @FoxWolfWorld Жыл бұрын

    I absolutely love how this channel and Drachinifel sort of collaborate now

  • @davidwallace3871
    @davidwallace3871 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for covering this war. It’s not covered enough. I have been waiting for this🎉

  • @user-jg4of4us2z

    @user-jg4of4us2z

    11 ай бұрын

    Это всё лживая пропаганда, там многие факты и цитаты подтасованны, не верьте этому пропагандискому лжицу. Он лжец

  • @ThatVeryStrangeMan
    @ThatVeryStrangeMan Жыл бұрын

    As always, the RTH team delivers! I do prefer the more relaxed pace of other RTH productions that allow for more details and interesting anecdotes, but I'm sure RTH had their reasons. That said, it's their usual quality work, and the team delivers a great introduction to an important conflict. They also get extra points for the final statement that references the current conflict in the same region-do watch to the very end!

  • @tpgorman15
    @tpgorman1510 ай бұрын

    As a history major my senior thesis was arguing that Crimea was the first modern war, so when I saw the title for this video I felt justified! So many of the tactics used here were eventually adapted during the Civil War in America, and then used for years after.

  • @Aothis
    @Aothis Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for a long video on this content. Not enough on youtube. Great work!

  • @alan-dx2zf
    @alan-dx2zf9 ай бұрын

    It's a small thing but it means a lot to me. This history guru/narrator gets his pronunciation of people and places absolutely spot on perfect. I love the graphics as well. I am an armchair history pervert and this guy never puts a foot wrong! Brilliant series of documentaries. I particularly loved his Franco-Prussian war post..simply riveting.

  • @crusadingtemplar

    @crusadingtemplar

    Ай бұрын

    I couldn't agree more...I've always noticed his accent and pronunciation is always that of the nation he is talking about I love it too

  • @timfrye3586
    @timfrye3586 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent as always! Thanks for uploading

  • @atomic4650
    @atomic4650 Жыл бұрын

    Was waiting for this episode!

  • @BattleGuideVT
    @BattleGuideVT Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video as always guys, really well done!

  • @inferioraim
    @inferioraim Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the outstanding quality of your videos

  • @tonyarceneaux286
    @tonyarceneaux286 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this upload.

  • @andreyevstavew
    @andreyevstavew Жыл бұрын

    And I'm impressed with your list of sources. This is sirious work)

  • @nicolascarvacho4998
    @nicolascarvacho4998 Жыл бұрын

    I love this channel. I hope one day you can make a docu that resumes the shift in alliances and diplomacy between the 1700 and 1900.

  • @PalleRasmussen

    @PalleRasmussen

    Жыл бұрын

    There is a fine Seven Years War series currently going up on KZread. There is another one on The War of Spanish Succession already up.

  • @yeast7485
    @yeast7485 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for making this video, I knew basically nothing about the Crimean war apart from the siege of Ahvenanmaa/Åland and the accompanying song and it is always interesting to hear and see and learn about the different wars of 1800s

  • @Tralala691

    @Tralala691

    Жыл бұрын

    Bone head.

  • @ihmejakki2731

    @ihmejakki2731

    Жыл бұрын

    Se Oolannin sota oli kauhia, hurraa hurraa hurraa...

  • @mjf8897
    @mjf8897 Жыл бұрын

    this was a fascinating video. thanks.

  • @garylancaster8612
    @garylancaster8612 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent short history of the war and a great introduction to anyone not very familiar with it. Only one teeny tiny issue for me was that the "thin red streak" was described as the 93rd division. Hardly, they were just one battalion of the 93rd Regiment, not even 1000 men. But that's just me being pernickety.

  • @chubbymoth5810
    @chubbymoth5810 Жыл бұрын

    The pictures of the battlefields of the Crimean war also were a first. Never before had there been such stark proof of the horrors of battle.

  • @Alino17
    @Alino178 ай бұрын

    Thank you for another excellent history documentary. Works like this are rhe best KZread features for me.

  • @jlannes5291
    @jlannes529110 ай бұрын

    Brilliant video, well researched and put together

  • @edoardolanzarini2603
    @edoardolanzarini2603 Жыл бұрын

    Great video! In Italy there are many roads named after the Battle of Cernaia

  • @jona.scholt4362
    @jona.scholt4362 Жыл бұрын

    Heard from Drach that this was coming out today! Glad it's here, let's go!

  • @realtimehistory

    @realtimehistory

    Жыл бұрын

    thanks for dropping by. as usual his video about the naval front was super fascinating too

  • @dapetergshow
    @dapetergshow Жыл бұрын

    Just fantastic ! What a great channel

  • @nickolasgenoff4896
    @nickolasgenoff489611 ай бұрын

    Excellent work. As usual.

  • @LtColShingSides
    @LtColShingSides Жыл бұрын

    I'd love more videos on this conflict!

  • @philipinchina
    @philipinchina10 ай бұрын

    At 11.00 you talk about troops landing at Varna but "there is nothing to do". I live in Bulgaria, although I am British. There is loads to do in Varna- golf courses, night clubs, horse riding and some excellent bars and restaurants!

  • @damackabet.4611

    @damackabet.4611

    10 ай бұрын

    Few things, one what of those existed back during crimea war, two would the soldiers even have money to pay for that stuff? Their foreign soldiers mostly they probably only have foreign money. Three they needed to be ready for battle, or sailing at any time, and they had to have most of their own stuff because very few places could easily support thousands of soldiers in their area.

  • @philipinchina

    @philipinchina

    10 ай бұрын

    @@damackabet.4611 I do apologise. It was my attempt at humour.

  • @xenotypos
    @xenotypos Жыл бұрын

    The best coverage of the Crimean war I'vs seen on KZread so far.

  • @lazzurroClaudio
    @lazzurroClaudio Жыл бұрын

    I would love to see a series from you about this war.

  • @simonkevnorris
    @simonkevnorris Жыл бұрын

    That was an interesting and informative video. I had never heard about the advantage the French and British had in the rifles they were using. I never realised that Raglan died during the campaign.

  • @yclMustafa

    @yclMustafa

    Жыл бұрын

    He gave the wrong order to attack. there was no healthy communication in the army command

  • @Trebor74

    @Trebor74

    Жыл бұрын

    He didn't give the wrong order to attack. His orders were incorrectly interpreted.

  • @yclMustafa

    @yclMustafa

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Trebor74 There were serious communication problems between the troops. this caused Raglan's death. More soldiers could have died. This ridiculous attack order put both the Turks and the Scottish cavalry in a difficult position. but it's always been told as a british hero story

  • @juri8723

    @juri8723

    Жыл бұрын

    @@yclMustafa the brits are a people of liars

  • @cyberpunkprussian
    @cyberpunkprussian Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this incredible and very informative video! Can you make one about the wars that occured in Russia after the 1917 revolution? As far as I know there were multiple international armies in Russia until 1922. I would love to see your incredible light shedded into this

  • @extrahistory8956

    @extrahistory8956

    Жыл бұрын

    Over at the original _The Great War_ channel, they have made 19 part series on the Russian Civil War for over the past 4 years. It goes into just about every detail of it. They have playlist available with all their videos in it.

  • @cyberpunkprussian

    @cyberpunkprussian

    Жыл бұрын

    @@extrahistory8956 holy sheet man. That's exactly what I was thinking. Thank you very much!

  • @ianwilkinson5069

    @ianwilkinson5069

    Жыл бұрын

    If only the Whites defeated the Reds so many less ppl wouldve died. This opened the door for Stalin.

  • @PeekskillFitnessAndRecreation
    @PeekskillFitnessAndRecreation5 ай бұрын

    Really helpful that you made the land blue and the water green on the map

  • @alfredvazquez5380
    @alfredvazquez53806 ай бұрын

    Reading just british accounts you would think they won the entire war basically on their own, when in reality they really got carried by the french.

  • @user-hg7gj7sd1t

    @user-hg7gj7sd1t

    3 ай бұрын

    Это касается всех британских источников. Большинство из них откровенно англоцентричны и не учитывают никакую другую информацию. Особенно если это касается истории России.

  • @tylerclayton6081

    @tylerclayton6081

    2 ай бұрын

    @@user-hg7gj7sd1t Russian history is filled with propaganda. It’s literally illegal in Russia to “discredit” the military or Russia’s “glorious” history. The only trustworthy telling of Russian history comes from external western sources and historians which are unbiased Why are Russians always so jealous of the AngloSaxons

  • @darrenbishop1619

    @darrenbishop1619

    Ай бұрын

    Works both n all ways

  • @alfredvazquez5380

    @alfredvazquez5380

    Ай бұрын

    @@darrenbishop1619 Not it actually doesnt, the british are well known for doing this. They did it with waterloo at an even bigger stage.

  • @guywood2343

    @guywood2343

    3 күн бұрын

    Wellington needed to hold the line until the prussians arrived, Wellingtons army repelled French attack wave after wave until the prussians arrived, if anyone tells you Waterloo was British singular victory, there wrong, but Napoleon was ultimately crushed, and that's a W.

  • @emperornapoleon6204
    @emperornapoleon6204 Жыл бұрын

    This channel is a delight! I love these broad-scale videos on nineteenth century European wars.

  • @AJ-et3vf
    @AJ-et3vf Жыл бұрын

    Awesome video! Thank you!

  • @alan-dx2zf
    @alan-dx2zf11 ай бұрын

    I think this chap's documentaries are superb in every respect. This was so detailed and fascinating to a history pervert like me. I thought I knew the Crimean War back to front but this guy told me stuff I never knew. I saw his documentary on the Franco - Prussian War and it was amazing Thank you so much buddy for giving this anourak such delight.

  • @Earthstein
    @Earthstein10 ай бұрын

    Cream of the crop. Jesse is world class. Excellent presentation. Thank you. I enjoyed it immensely.

  • @renemendizabal3605
    @renemendizabal36057 ай бұрын

    thank you a lot for the documentary, i enjoyed it.

  • @TheDroppedAnchor
    @TheDroppedAnchorАй бұрын

    Excellent video, thank you. The letters of those involved are especially helpful. I personally would have preferred to see a bit less of the screen devoted to it but my vision is reduced to me wate bing on a phone. All in all - Excellent.

  • @xippetotectheflayedgod6179
    @xippetotectheflayedgod6179 Жыл бұрын

    Real Time History - the only KZread history channel that will not abandon its wounded!

  • @GuineaPigEveryday
    @GuineaPigEveryday Жыл бұрын

    I’m writing my Senior Project on this conflict and how it relates to a specific countr. This war is SORELY underestimated, people still write books about Nightingale & Light Brigade and how ‘unnecessary’ this war was, yet it was one of the most significant geopolitical events, that heightened the Great Game, created new great powers, and defined Russo-European relations for centuries. Oh and it fed into the time-bomb that led to WW1. It was so much more complex than many English-writers refuse to give it credit it for. Its not some ‘foolish’ war, it was the most significant European conflict between Napoleon and WW1.

  • @yclMustafa

    @yclMustafa

    Жыл бұрын

    1. dünya savaşına 70 yıl var. bu coğrafyada bir günde bile çok şey değişebiliyor

  • @alessandrogalli4956

    @alessandrogalli4956

    Жыл бұрын

    The Crimean war had also a decisive impact for the birth of Italy. Taking part to this war the Sardinian Prime Minister Cavour was admitted to the Paris Congress in 1856 where he got the attention of France and Great Britain for the unification of Italy. 3 years later France and Sardinian Kingdom defeated Austria in the 2nd Italian indipendence war and the following year the British fleet protected Garibaldi's landing on Sicily. Without the Crimean war Sardinian Kingdom would have not been able to create the Italian Kingdom in 1861.

  • @jameslawrie3807

    @jameslawrie3807

    11 ай бұрын

    I'd argue that 'The Great Game' started immediately after The Napoleonic Wars, if not earlier. Britain's colonial empire was centred on India and Britain had a paranoia about Russian central power after the Russians and their allies chased Napoleon out of Europe. (It's humorous that the Anglo history says "Britain beat Napoleon")

  • @Stephen-lx9nm

    @Stephen-lx9nm

    11 ай бұрын

    ​@@jameslawrie3807 They did ,with their allies .Just like saying septics won world war 2😂

  • @GuineaPigEveryday

    @GuineaPigEveryday

    2 ай бұрын

    @@jameslawrie3807you’re completely right, idk in my head i always imagine Crimean War as the big betrayal, especially becuz for some reason Tsar Nicholas completely expected the British to support him when he invaded Turkey (the Figes book discusses this naivety from Nicholas literally going to talk to Victoria and trying to appeal to them in friendly christian relations). But yeah the Great Game actually starts way earlier, its only heightened with the Crimean War perhaps, but the Napoleonic War already puts into the Russian Tsar’s mind the idea of attacking India, after all Tsar Paul and Napoleon plan to lead a joint invasion of India, and Paul in his rambling state goes so far as to send troops to Khiva, half of which die in winter as he is killed. Anyways, idk in my mind i get the order mixed up becuz it feels almost like a perfect dramatic scenario that this great betrayal by the British against Russia leads to some cold war

  • @MilitarGeschichte
    @MilitarGeschichte Жыл бұрын

    Great work!

  • @sigmalife9625
    @sigmalife962511 ай бұрын

    Tysm for sharing😍

  • @KingAbdallah
    @KingAbdallah Жыл бұрын

    Your channel is great ! Amazing how history repeats itself in one way or another

  • @mayadaali3127

    @mayadaali3127

    10 ай бұрын

    مشكلة روسيا خيراتها و حدودها

  • @indianajones4321
    @indianajones4321 Жыл бұрын

    Crimean War let’s go!

  • @heathellis1771

    @heathellis1771

    Жыл бұрын

    That’s one way of putting it

  • @gingerbill128
    @gingerbill128 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for another great video.

  • @joshhoffman1975
    @joshhoffman19754 ай бұрын

    Excellent quality documentary! ❤

  • @shakazulu301
    @shakazulu301 Жыл бұрын

    This is quality history content 😊

  • @Da__goat
    @Da__goat11 ай бұрын

    The British are generally well-liked by the people of the Balkans from the 19th and early 20th century. But the British wanted a weak Ottoman Empire that they could control, and were never interested in creating a new powerful state in the region like expanded Bulgaria, or a reborn Eastern Roman Empire. And the French were not opposing the British in this regard. Only the Russians wanted a powerful neighbor in the Balkans due to common religious and cultural unity. And the Balkan nations like Greece, didn’t take advantage of this situation to pit the great powers against each other.

  • @wankawanka3053

    @wankawanka3053

    10 ай бұрын

    Actually the great powers made sure that greece wouldn't be able to support russia in this war

  • @nikolahekler2713

    @nikolahekler2713

    9 ай бұрын

    British was never well-liked by the people of the Balkans, not from 19th to 20th century not ever.

  • @none2912

    @none2912

    8 ай бұрын

    It was mutual. British never wanted a powerful state to emerge in the Balkans again and Balkans disliked British diplomacy as it wasn't beneficial for them

  • @user-yr8jj5ut7z

    @user-yr8jj5ut7z

    7 ай бұрын

    Im English and don’t like the British

  • @tomkrupica

    @tomkrupica

    6 ай бұрын

    What Bullshit

  • @seandahl8441
    @seandahl8441 Жыл бұрын

    Love it. Keep it up

  • @oneshotme
    @oneshotme Жыл бұрын

    Enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up

  • @marks_sparks1
    @marks_sparks1 Жыл бұрын

    Fantastic video by Real Time History. Watching the various belligerent reasons for war eerily reminds me of current events.

  • @bigsarge2085
    @bigsarge2085 Жыл бұрын

    Incredible!

  • @wilsontheconqueror8101
    @wilsontheconqueror810111 ай бұрын

    Well done!

  • @harounalgahmi8754
    @harounalgahmi8754 Жыл бұрын

    Im glad to across this an in-depth video on the Crimean war.

  • @macmedic892
    @macmedic892 Жыл бұрын

    I’m glad that at least the Russian/Crimean situation was settled once and for all.

  • @trenaceandblackmetal5621

    @trenaceandblackmetal5621

    Жыл бұрын

    Syke

  • @MyUniqueVibe

    @MyUniqueVibe

    Жыл бұрын

    I mean, Tzar Alexander said it himself, right? "Sevastopol is not Moscow, The Crimea is not Russia."

  • @masonhandforth1369

    @masonhandforth1369

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@MyUniqueVibe most likely means that just because they lost crimea doesn't mean they lost the war

  • @kellyowens1868

    @kellyowens1868

    Жыл бұрын

    ... but not a single UKRAINIAN General, fighting unit, much less any Ukrainian soldiers in the entire conflict. Hmmmmm!! KOut

  • @butbutmybutt

    @butbutmybutt

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@MyUniqueVibe it's Russian, today 70% Russia living there. Russians died for it.

  • @Aubury
    @Aubury10 ай бұрын

    The British army did not cover it self in glory in this war. The suffering of the soldiers was terrible, thanks to Russell reporting to the Times, matters improved

  • @fedecano7362
    @fedecano7362 Жыл бұрын

    Drach suggested to check this out and I couldnt agree more! new sub also

  • @hhspresents
    @hhspresents Жыл бұрын

    Awesome, Great details

  • @extrahistory8956
    @extrahistory8956 Жыл бұрын

    The more the things change, the more they remain the same. You could place this quote (10:21) in the internet today, and it will absolute not sound out of place.

  • @tylerclayton6081

    @tylerclayton6081

    2 ай бұрын

    Well…Russia’s a lot poorer and weaker now, relatively speaking. Even New York City by itself has a larger economy than all of Russia combined

  • @varunrajesh6516

    @varunrajesh6516

    Ай бұрын

    @@tylerclayton6081 Yeah but nukes.

  • @colinroesle525
    @colinroesle525 Жыл бұрын

    Love these documentaries!! Some of the best out there!

  • @user-jg4of4us2z

    @user-jg4of4us2z

    11 ай бұрын

    Главное, вам надо помнить, что это всё ложь. Этот фильм одна лживая пропаганда

  • @christophggcyrus6861
    @christophggcyrus68612 ай бұрын

    Great stuff - as always!

  • @Drunrealer
    @Drunrealer7 ай бұрын

    Excellent video

  • @sei_i_taishogun_luke_no_bona
    @sei_i_taishogun_luke_no_bona Жыл бұрын

    GREAT VIDEO, AS ALWAYS, WILL THERE ALSO BE EPISODES ON ITALY'S UNIFICATION WARS?

  • @realtimehistory

    @realtimehistory

    Жыл бұрын

    Possibly

  • @briantarigan7685
    @briantarigan7685 Жыл бұрын

    "Russia's last crusade" 1877 : Hey

  • @amandacollyer645
    @amandacollyer645Ай бұрын

    Fascinating; thanks!

  • @ironiccookies2320
    @ironiccookies2320 Жыл бұрын

    The lost of the Crimean War is one of the factors Russia sold Alaska to the US. Russia didn't want Britain occupying Alaska.

  • @vl7297

    @vl7297

    9 ай бұрын

    They did not lose here, because the most important thing in the end was that Crimea remained part of the Russian Empire, several countries seized it at the same time with heavy losses, but they failed to keep it. It is interesting here that then the Russians fought to the death for him, and when Khrushchev came to power, he calmly attributes Crimea to Ukraine without any opinion from the people.

  • @gumdeo

    @gumdeo

    4 ай бұрын

    @@vl7297 Khrushchev was a moron.

  • @pacivalmuller9333

    @pacivalmuller9333

    2 ай бұрын

    @@vl7297 Back then nobody cared where Crimea is, it was all one country.

  • @apoleonschneider
    @apoleonschneider Жыл бұрын

    That quote at 10:32... It's funny how just now in our time we are hearing the same argument. Nothing ever changes really.

  • @hughboyd2904
    @hughboyd290417 күн бұрын

    This is the single best video I have watched so far on the Crimean War. Happy to have found this channel via your collaboration with Drachinifel.

  • @realtimehistory

    @realtimehistory

    17 күн бұрын

    welcome to the show

  • @mhick3333
    @mhick3333 Жыл бұрын

    Nice map graphic helps a lot

  • @mktf5582
    @mktf5582 Жыл бұрын

    Could you please do Spanish War of Succession - Duke Of Marlborough.

  • @commy1231
    @commy1231 Жыл бұрын

    The quote at 10:30 xDD very applicable to today I would say

  • @JohnHoranzy
    @JohnHoranzy4 ай бұрын

    Exellent video and very relavant today. You earned a new subscriber.

  • @realtimehistory

    @realtimehistory

    4 ай бұрын

    Welcome aboard!

  • @welcometonebalia
    @welcometonebalia Жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @iMost067
    @iMost067 Жыл бұрын

    Tsar meant "Crimea is not whole Russia", its kinda obvious.

  • @R.Specktre
    @R.Specktre Жыл бұрын

    Definitely not the first modern war and definitely not the Last Crusade considering the last war, the war on terror, was essentially another Crusade.

  • @Euzuner41
    @Euzuner41 Жыл бұрын

    Mükemmel! great video about this war the background info etc perfect ı am waiting for 1878 russo turkish war

  • @Jesse_Dawg
    @Jesse_Dawg11 ай бұрын

    Great video! Please more

  • @TheDirtysouthfan
    @TheDirtysouthfan Жыл бұрын

    I am from Varna, and I have pictures of a monument in the north of the city seemingly in the middle of nowhere that was in French. It commemorated the French marines who died there during the Crimean War, which I thought was fascinating. Past monuments are a big deal in Bulgaria, and in Varna the Communist era monuments are noticeably decayed in comparison to the modern and Tsarist (as in Bulgarian Tsar) monuments. Yet this random pillar with French writing commemorating a war fought by the Ottomans is just there.

  • @morgan97475
    @morgan97475 Жыл бұрын

    Very informative. I was unaware that religious justification played any part in this war.

  • @yclMustafa

    @yclMustafa

    Жыл бұрын

    I don't know English. What is religious justification? what exactly is he talking about

  • @morgan97475

    @morgan97475

    Жыл бұрын

    @@yclMustafa Using religion as a reason to do something, in this case, to go to war.

  • @yclMustafa

    @yclMustafa

    Жыл бұрын

    @@morgan97475 What reasons is he talking about in the video?

  • @average_enjoyer

    @average_enjoyer

    Жыл бұрын

    @@yclMustafa russian emperor using the protection of the orthdox population in the muslim ottoman empire as an excuse to start the war and to motivate his army, hence why it was called "the final crusade".

  • @average_enjoyer

    @average_enjoyer

    Жыл бұрын

    @@yclMustafa religion=din in turkish

  • @Gettingback997
    @Gettingback9978 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @petarracic6740
    @petarracic6740 Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely marvelous. Thank you RTH!

  • @amotaba
    @amotaba Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video. You could talk about Paraguayan War or the Mexican-American War

  • @AlbertComelles1970
    @AlbertComelles1970 Жыл бұрын

    Briliiantly explained, thank you very much!

  • @okancanarslan3730
    @okancanarslan3730 Жыл бұрын

    Great documentary

  • @MajorDenisBloodnok
    @MajorDenisBloodnok9 ай бұрын

    31:26 On the painting represented the Paris peace conference, you can see in the middle, slightly on the right, the French minister of the Foreign Affairs, Alexandre Walewski, son of Napoleon I...

  • @MotherNatureCryz
    @MotherNatureCryz11 ай бұрын

    11th December 1917... British General Edmund Allenby entered Jerusalem triumphantly through the Jaffa gate, and the city became an occupied territory. On this historic occasion, Allenby reportedly declared that “the wars of the crusades are now complete”. Allenby’s statement is a powerful reminder that the British entry into Jerusalem was a continuation of and a “successful” conclusion to the Crusades. If only they knew the crusade will never end.

  • @ophirbactrius8285

    @ophirbactrius8285

    10 ай бұрын

    When the truly modern Gog and Magog supreme general breakthrough the Holy Land then unleashing its planting birth seed of the apprentice zionist terrorists invaders and illegally settlers for the endlessly tragic oppressions, violences, tears, destitutions and suffering to the innocent, vulnerably and helpless native Palestinians, Lebanese and Syrian.

  • @RichardLionheart12

    @RichardLionheart12

    6 ай бұрын

    Britian and France had Jerusalem during Richard the Lionheart.

  • @MotherNatureCryz

    @MotherNatureCryz

    6 ай бұрын

    @@RichardLionheart12 Hello bro :) there is a reason why we have red and blue on the union jack. Red and blue make purple. Purple is the colour of Jewish royalty. Biblical stories describe prominent figures clothed in garments of purple-a color long associated with royalty.

  • @carljohnson4473
    @carljohnson4473 Жыл бұрын

    The Franz Joseph mentioned here is the same one as in WW1. This guy ruled for 68 Years. Crazy to think about it

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