I purchased an F1 a few days ago, and was a bit worried at first when I saw this video title. However, after watching it you confirmed that my choice was the correct one. For what I want to do with it, I think the F1 was a better choice :)

@TheReformationWoodshop

7 ай бұрын

Glad I could help! Good luck 👊🏻

Thank you so so much, I like the LP4 based on your demonstration, thank you for doing this

@TheReformationWoodshop

9 ай бұрын

You're very welcome!

Thank you for the great review!

@TheReformationWoodshop

7 ай бұрын

No problem!

Great review man. Very useful

@TheReformationWoodshop

8 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Thank you for the review. Still investigating and trying to determine what may work best for me. I am glad you included the accessories. I think you indicated that the accessories are not machine dependent - if I buy the x-tool slider it will work with the f4, and vice versa - is that correct? I want the ability to start engraving ,etal projects. People have asked me to engrave on the back of watches and badges, etc. I tell them my CO2 doesn't engrave metal - would like to be able to do this. How accurate can you place the engraving and how small on each of these lasers? Do they both run off of lightburn? Thank you in advance for any insights you can share.

Ordered the F1 and I'm super excited. Have the D1 Pro 10W already.

@TheReformationWoodshop

10 ай бұрын

Awesome! Good luck!

I have a couple of xTool lasers and a couple of LaserPecker lasers. I was hoping your video came out a little sooner, but I appreciate you doing it 🙂 I ended up purchasing the xTool F1. I like the XCS software and it keeps improving. I also use Lightburn. Again, thanks for the video comparison. I don't think you can go wrong with either of them.

@TheReformationWoodshop

11 ай бұрын

You’re absolutely correct! They’re both great. Have you tried the AI in XCS yet? It’s pretty fun to tinker with.

@FunSmartToy

10 ай бұрын

Hello, i have D1 20w with RA2 pro, that we use for wooden engraving only. We only engrave text. Can you please tell us did you compare the speed and quality of engraving between d1 and f1 on wood?

@TheReformationWoodshop

9 ай бұрын

I haven’t actually. That may need to be a video in the future.

the darker engraving from the metal business cards is probably the power because it might actually be engraving the metal depending on the material instead of just taking off the paint.

@ReFreshRC

9 ай бұрын

Most likely it's engraving metal differently. Metal engraving can have different colours depending on the laser settings.

@Zodliness

9 ай бұрын

My LP2 does a great job at burning the paint clean off aluminium business cards in one pass, however if I raise the laser above the recommended height, I can actually discolour the aluminium as well, with multiple passes, changing the focal point between passes, I can achieve some pretty cool effects in the metal and painted surface. Doesn't hurt to play some! 😉👍

@daleplant5275

2 ай бұрын

@@Zodliness I am just learning. Isn't the effect on metals (once pass paint) and things like stone a reactive process. The material reacts and can be colored varyingly based on settings. For example on slate this results in the "engraving" being raised above the rest if the surface a bit instead of a recess?

Thanks for the comparison.. I've got an F1 on-order.

@TheReformationWoodshop

11 ай бұрын

Glad to help, good luck!

Great review - you are definitely the American Vangard. Do any of these new cheaper machines offer a camera and outline feature? I need to cut out pre-printed tiles like your "FALSE" example - and btw I like that a lot. I would like to apply printed stuff and cut out the pieces. The LaserBoxes do this from the front panel for just $5,999. Yeah right. I don't need the same speed, but something close would be nice. The old Brother knife cutters would do this.

Awesome review. Thank you

@TheReformationWoodshop

11 ай бұрын

Of course, thank you!

I was so HAPPY to find your comparison video!! I make Sterling Silver Jewelry and have been wanting/needing an engraver for personalizing my Sterling pieces but most engravers are SUPER PRICEY!! With that said, after watching this I'm still not sure which would be a better investment for me?! 😩 Since you use both machines, if you made jewelry which would HONESTLY be your your choice of machine and why?!

@laurensvibe8464

5 ай бұрын

That’s my question 😫😫😫

@Byteros

4 ай бұрын

have you tried either on silver and gold?

hey dear very cool video ✨✨✨✨ which one would you recommend me for custom jewlery engravings? best regards ☺️

I want to use one of these at Craft shows. Many of the shows do not have power , so I was going to use an EcoFlow Delta Pro (battery) for power. Do you know if either one of these would be better for this and use less power

@The Reformation Woodshop - Both engravers look great tools in their own right, but you didn't really convey anything about their portability, which is the primary reason I initially went with LP, it's great for running literally anywhere on a power bank and I wholeheartedly agree on LP's build quality is second to none for a young kick-starter company, although their price reflects that quality, they lack consistent firmware support and bad overall time it takes to get technical hardware support outside their Facebook groups. I'm shocked to see how many people are selling their LP1s/2s/3s and 4's on marketplace and eBay lately. Thanks for the informative review.

What is your recommendation?? I need to engrave the side on polished stainless steel watches. Much like the pendant you show in the end. Maximum letter size is 6mm high and the space is about 35mm.

I an Xtool guy with a D1 Pro 20 and 40 watt machines but... I jumped on board with the LaserPecker 4 premium campaign in March 23 with everything they offer for that machine which should be delivered any day now.

@skimaniac21

6 ай бұрын

how was the lp4

@JoeyMcNew-Drummer

6 ай бұрын

@@skimaniac21 It is my goto over my other engravers inuding my Xtool d1 pro 40 watt. Since I mainly do smaller engraves, it much quicker to just just the lp4 with the app than go though all of the setup with my D1 Pro. With all of that said, they both are from really different worlds to say. The lp4, I was engraving out things the first day, within hours. The Xtool d1 40, I spend just over $3.3k and got everything including the 1064 laser but, I haven't used any of it to actually learn how to use everything yet.

Waiting for my F1 today 😊

@TheReformationWoodshop

11 ай бұрын

Awesome, good luck!

At 6:27 you have a custom cut out of an axe, how do you make the laser pecker 4 do that after it finishes engraving whatever image you want it to do? The app only gives a star, square, circle, and line cut out

Lol, the pre roll ads before this video was for xtool and laserpeckers 😂

@TheReformationWoodshop

11 ай бұрын

Seriously?!? The algorithm knows what’s up!

Hello, i have D1 20w with RA2 pro, that we use for wooden engraving only. We only engrave text. Can you please tell us did you compare the speed and quality of engraving between d1 and f1 on wood?

Which would you choose for 14kt gold engraving. And which is easier to use , regarding learning the importing process of the images to the laser?

Which one you think is better for silver zippo lighter?

The triangular prism working panel should be turned 90° to provide optimal smoke ventilation.

What are the settings of parameters? I want it to be like the same engraving white color

I’m wondering if these lasers will cut and or engrave leather? Real, genuine cow or horse or alligator or stingray. Your video mentioned faux leather

Good point on the shroud moving your piece when you take on and off. Can you in the app or on the machine, control lifting up by a certain amount and then down by a specific amount? While still not as easily done as the other, if you can control exactly how much you raise and lower it by, you wouldn't have to refocus it every time. Still not as easy, but could be a work around if that is the sticking point between the two when deciding and they like everything about it but that

@TheReformationWoodshop

11 ай бұрын

You can, only in preview mode. But you can’t do it to a certain amount. It’s just like the top button

Definitively YES!

Wow the f1 is rated for 4000 m/s and the lp4 is 2000 m/s, happy to see that the working times arent actually doubled in real world usage, I backed the lp4 and supposed to get it next month... thanks for the comparison! btw, in the 10:04 wood test did you set the lp4 on its max 4k resolution(or 8k if you used the 1064nm laser though I doubt it for wood haha)?

@TheReformationWoodshop

11 ай бұрын

4k. That’s where the speed difference will come in. If you choose 8k it’s going to take a bit longer.

Can i use my laserpecker 2 rotary with the xtool?

Like the video. Trying to find more like this. I may have an opportunity to engrave coasters for an MLB team. I know it will be over 5000, so looking for something fast and able to do batch engraving on 4 x 4 coasters. Any opinion on which one would work for batch production? These would be wood coasters.

@TheReformationWoodshop

4 ай бұрын

I’ve been using my F1 for a ton of batch work recently and I do wooden coasters all the time… it’s extremely reliable. Good luck and I hope you get the gig. 🤞🏻

Great info all around! We all help each other learn. nM is short for Nano-Meter, not Nano Micron. ;) Aloha

XTool F1 I think is what I am going for. I want to make engraved pet collars and pet id tags. Do you agree that this one is perfect for that? Didn't see anything on silver but I bet it looks great.

@TheReformationWoodshop

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, it can for sure do that!

Uh i thought I would buy the Laserpecker and the xTool is just a knockoff. But after that Video I think I will choose the xTool. The results looks much sharper. Thanks🎉

Just got the F1. The safety shield of the Laser Pecker was a non starter for me. Batch engraving would be a real pain.

@TheReformationWoodshop

9 ай бұрын

Good choice. That difference could definitely be a deciding factor

Not sure, but those where all tests on the diode side, right? What about IR laser vs. fiber laser, especially due to the same nominal power?

My Laser Pecker 4 is on its way to my home. I just received the tracking number for California delivery. I also ordered the bigger enclosure for the LP 4 as well as the air purifier. Of course I also backed both extensions. If fact, I ordered all the accessories (except the safety goggles because I have better ones) for the LP 4 including the carrying case. Unfortunately, the bigger enclosure and the air purifier will be delivered at a later date probably in July.

@TheReformationWoodshop

11 ай бұрын

I tried to get the Air Purifier it they were not available 🥲

@doctorpd1959

11 ай бұрын

@@TheReformationWoodshop Well, hopefully they will deliver my purifier in July since they already took my money.

@laurensvibe8464

5 ай бұрын

July??? 😮 I’m so glad I went sign the XTool!

Hi there! Nice job with the video. I think both machines would work for my needs, which would be to engrave 20-50 daily orders like necklace shown in the minute 11.30. For easier use I am inclined to go for LP4. As I am doubting, do you have any particular suggestion for this precise type of work? Cheers!!

@TheReformationWoodshop

3 ай бұрын

I actually tend to go to the F1 (www.xtool.com/products/xtool-f1?ref=clSNUlHMSPHtmu&) for jobs like that. It’s actually been awhile since this video has been published and I’ve gotten in the habit of using the F1 most of the time.

excellent content, what do you think of the LaserPecker LX1 Max. My 2 choices are -LaserPecker LX1 Max and the Atomstack A20 Max 20w Large Size Eye Protection Laser Engraver With F30 Pro Air Assist. Which one do you think is better?

@TheReformationWoodshop

8 ай бұрын

I’ve never used either but I will tell you I wouldn’t trade my XTool D1 Pro for either of them (www.xtool.com/products/xtool-d1-pro-2-in-1-kit-455nm-blue-laser-1064nm-infrared-laser?ref=clSNUlHMSPHtmu&variant=43211209081071)

I currently have a LP2 and my biggest gripe with it is that orange cover. It’s a pain to use so I almost never put it on.

@TheReformationWoodshop

10 ай бұрын

A lot of folks are that way about their lasers

Last comment ;) (for now) Can the LP4 do the shape preview or just the rectangular box preview ? Sorry I have a lot of question as I might buy one or the other very soon ;)

@TheReformationWoodshop

11 ай бұрын

They can both do shape and box, thanks for the inquiries 💪🏻

(first off, great video and you opened me up to the X-tool option, I was only interested in the LP-4 at first) however,- Sorry to bug you on this question but none of the suppliers were able to give me a straight answer. Can either one of these machines mark Steel, such as put part numbers on tool steel. I am not looking to burn through the material but just identify one die from another by part numbers. Any help is greatly appreciated.

@TheReformationWoodshop

Ай бұрын

I believe you can etch with both as long as you mark the material with a spray paint of some kind.

Do both use Lightburn ?

i chose the F1 and love it

@TheReformationWoodshop

3 ай бұрын

👍🏻👍🏻

If I purchase any of these two engravers does it explain settings for each materials or is that something I need try to figure out?

@TheReformationWoodshop

4 ай бұрын

For sure, both have lots of literature to thumb through. And there are many Facebook groups dedicated to project settings.

and i am leaning to the F1 the cover on my LP2 for batch jobs is so annoying.

What is the black card stock that you used to do your card test on?

@TheReformationWoodshop

10 ай бұрын

It’s a paper material that came in a material pack from XTool. If you follow one of my links to their site you can see the various materials they offer.

What is the black card that you used and where can I get it?

@TheReformationWoodshop

10 ай бұрын

www.xtool.com/products/metal-business-cards-60pcs?_pos=1&_psq=Black%20c&_ss=e&_v=1.0&ref=clSNUlHMSPHtmu&variant=43832090820847

One more question that pop to my mind, do you know it the laser pecker 4 is compatible with the LP2 rollers (that seems mind blowing in term of versatility) ?

@TheReformationWoodshop

11 ай бұрын

It is. But only for slab and cylinder mode.

I try to purchase LP4 from indiegogo from your description link, but it shows campaign end. Is there any channel to purchase LP4?

@TheReformationWoodshop

10 ай бұрын

I believe the Indiegogo campaign just ended and now you’ll have to wait until they are available on Amazon or their website. The F1 links work and can be ordered today if you’re impatient 😎

Thanks for the comparo... XTool looks better.

what do you do to protect people with your desktop lasers when people are in your shop?

@TheReformationWoodshop

10 ай бұрын

I’ve got many sets of protective glasses around the shop and I vent smoke out a window. 👍🏻

Will either of them engrave golf balls? ...this will be the deciding factor for my husband! LOL

@TheReformationWoodshop

Ай бұрын

That is a great question and although I haven’t tried it I’m certain both will.

Are there power consumption issues when using either of these lasers. Bluntly put, does this affect your power bill?

@TheReformationWoodshop

10 ай бұрын

I don’t believe so. I’ve been using these two and two bigger laser’s recently and not noticed a difference.

とても参考になりました。ありがとう。動画の中でレーザーペッカー4を使い、アクリル素材で斧を作っていましたが、レーザーペッカー4の設定数値を知りたいです。よろしくお願いします。

The key performance difference came from the laser modules used. LP4 uses an American II-VI (formerly Coherent, the inventor of laser) laser module, which is based on an extremely reliable but old technology (passive Q-switch) mostly used in military ignition and ranging applications, while the F1 uses an undisclosed laser source, presumably JPT or Raycus from China, which is supposed to be much more advanced but delicate, this type of laser (either active Q-switch or edge-pumped fiber) is commonly used in industrial engravers and rust cleaners. In terms of peak power and power uniformity, the F1 kills. At 8:20, the gray color you saw is due to insufficient laser energy causing the paint to be burnt, but not ablated properly.

@TheReformationWoodshop

3 ай бұрын

Man! Lots of great insight here, I appreciate it!

Are both like lightburn compatible?

@TheReformationWoodshop

11 ай бұрын

Yes sir!

Just a note… the wavelengths are measured in nanometers, you mistakenly repeated the word nanomicrons

@Zentient1

10 ай бұрын

Also hopefully you will follow up with a video comparing the infrared lasers of the two units, and possibly comparing the IR vs the blue diode on black acrylic.

they came out different colors because ypi didn't do the focus right, for laserpecker4, if you want it to be white and crispy, you will need those two red dots tp be on each others as close as possible, the more they are aparted, the more gray will be on the work.

If you were using a dark metal business card, that would look so sick!

@TheReformationWoodshop

11 ай бұрын

For sure I have black but that’s so typical and I wanted to be different lol

Hello I'd like to purchase F1 product cat identification tags for business purposes I'm thinking about the output Is it okay to use wood, metal materials, plastic, and acrylic (I'm going to imprint on the size of a coin)

Otherwise awesome review :)

LP4 coaster looked better to me. I’m obviously only seeing it through YT, so first person experience is all that matters. Is one more capable of higher rez than the other?

I purchased a laserpecker 3 nine months ago and it will not connect to bluetooth. When i turn on the laser it flashed a blue LED for about 10 seconds and then red and blue LED lights start flashing ad will not connect to any of my devices and have even tried plugging it in directly to usb and still not connection. Support for this product has been a nightmare. CAN ANY ONE HELP ME WITH THIS PROBLEM?

F1...For the win!

I’m computer illiterate and was wondering which one is most suitable for someone with no knowledge of computers at all. And also don’t want to spend too much time on trying to figure out computer stuff. Working from my phone I could probably pick it up but am I severely limiting what I can do with one of these if I only use my phone. Could I still bend letters,pictures ect by a phone app alone 🧐🧐🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿thanks in advance 😇

8:50 its how it burns the lasers are different? the LP4 has kinder removed a thin layer of the paint, making the paint under burn black ore to deep so it is marking the metal under? leveeing that behind. where the F1 has removed the paint completely showing the metal under. i just got a LP2 i want to burn my logo in to my wood projects, and i just got a used LP2 for 400 usd. and that is perfect for this :-)

you did not compare the price value ? I feel like the F1 is more expensive than the LP4 overall

@bestyoutubernonegraternumber1

11 ай бұрын

It is also better in every single way, so that makes sense.

@MaxValembois

11 ай бұрын

@@bestyoutubernonegraternumber1 Well that is ot what is said in the video, globally it is just a tiny bit quicker and have a smaller work surface (and yes a nicer protective cover design) Plus it is easier to use on a wall or a vertical surface I believe (I don't speack about the accessories here)

@bestyoutubernonegraternumber1

11 ай бұрын

@@MaxValembois Make sure you claim it in pursuit of starting a business or buy it as a business purchase, then a higher price is better.

F1 all the way!

I can only engrave DIN 5 Format with the laser pecker 4.

Did you purchase these

Would the F1 work on the back of a golf club?

Lol’ing at giant 8 month old Child and Thx for the info!

@TheReformationWoodshop

8 ай бұрын

He’s almost a year now and is still growing 🫠

I'm going with the XTool F1 I'm a girl so I like the pretty white smoke purifier and green machine

@TheReformationWoodshop

11 ай бұрын

Hey! You don’t have to be a girl to like a nice color palette! 👍🏻

@gloriagonzales8731

11 ай бұрын

@@TheReformationWoodshop your absolutely correct I should have said green and white look great in my craft room.

@jacobus57

7 ай бұрын

​@@TheReformationWoodshopthank you👍

Nanometer

Kinda unfair to use the xTool cutting table with the LP4.

Overpriced

I ordered the F1 in the hope that it can make very delicate stamps. I asked xtools and some youtuber and no one can answer that 🫠 do you have an idea?

@PizzaEcke

10 ай бұрын

*no one gave me an answer