Lapping and Checking Valves (EASY WAY)

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Just lapping some valves
Update: Since of this video's release to 12/25/17, the engine has no major problem. The engine is used to drive around 30 miles a day, and yes, I know that too much Prussian blue was used.
Tools Used:
Drill/Driver
hex to 1/4 drive
Lisle 21200 Valve Lapper
CTA Fine/Coarse Lapping Compound
Permatex Prussian Blue
Dykem Steel Blue Layout Fluid
Digital Caliper
Note: A proper valve job is recommended to be done by a professional in a machine shop. I did this because this engine is not worth much and it is not a high performance engine. (LOW BUDGET)

Пікірлер: 366

  • @DrDLightful
    @DrDLightful3 жыл бұрын

    I run a small engine shop, after the only machinist in the area retired I bought a hand set from Neway to cut valves and seats. They use carbide cutting bits and they make a very different finish than a stone cutter. I cut the valves at either 30 or 45 depending on spec. Cut the seat to a 46 or a 31 depending on spec, and use a maybe a 31 on a 46 at the top if the valve is seating too far outward. Once I get them seating pretty good I take a fine lapping compound and hand lap for no more than 5-10 seconds tops. Prolonged lapping will concave the face of the valve and destroy the new finish. For the lapping I take a piece of fuel line and push it over the valve stem and rub my hands together with the fuel line between them (like starting a fire with a stick). Finally I use a permanent marker and color the face of the valve, clean the seat really well and turn the valve no more than 5-10 degrees. This checks the contact all the way around the valve, note that turning the valve further would rub the entire face of the valve across any high spots there may be. Not the most professional way by any means but ones I've done 6-7 years ago are still running good when they come in for spring service.

  • @jovedean6112
    @jovedean61123 жыл бұрын

    I am a certified mechanic and use this method along with other shops. His seats are in spec. He did a great job! Thanks for sharing!

  • @simonyoung1265

    @simonyoung1265

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this comment mate..I'll be doing same when I get all the gear together..doing my diesel WL head..

  • @natanyofsho

    @natanyofsho

    3 жыл бұрын

    Wow

  • @DieselRamcharger

    @DieselRamcharger

    3 жыл бұрын

    you dont know what the fuck you are talking about.

  • @natanyofsho

    @natanyofsho

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@DieselRamcharger all I said was “wow” what’s wrong with that?

  • @DieselRamcharger

    @DieselRamcharger

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@natanyofsho i replied to the OP not to you. notice your name isnt tagged in. the youtube comment section is so stupid how it works.

  • @66mustangguymoreau36
    @66mustangguymoreau366 жыл бұрын

    I like to shine a bright light into the port area to make certain the valve seat will seal properly. Works very well. Good job

  • @jcr8834
    @jcr88347 жыл бұрын

    lapped my valves today. used some of your info. I went back and forth with the drill rotating direction. My seats and valves came out great with no scratches. Holding gasoline as well within the chambers.

  • @myintkyawmoe5373

    @myintkyawmoe5373

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @jcr8834

    @jcr8834

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@myintkyawmoe5373 lol 3 years later.

  • @norvigosracing6948

    @norvigosracing6948

    3 жыл бұрын

    Just catching up with the valve job. Is the engine still ok?

  • @lusun8078

    @lusun8078

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@jcr8834 Is your valve job holding up good?

  • @jcr8834

    @jcr8834

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@lusun8078 yes no problems. But sold the engine already

  • @austinlemaster1150
    @austinlemaster11502 жыл бұрын

    someone get this guy a beer. I like how you think and work. great video!

  • @jdmr.3346
    @jdmr.33463 жыл бұрын

    I lap by hand so you can hear and feel what is really going on. It takes much longer but it's very gratifying knowing it's done perfectly.

  • @joet6990

    @joet6990

    3 жыл бұрын

    How long does it take to do by hand? I have a head off a dirt bike where the valves tapped the piston, the valve area where it sits looks alright but has a good bit of carbon build up. Would this get rid of the carbon also or do I need to get rid of that before doing this method?

  • @Evolution_10_X

    @Evolution_10_X

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@joet6990ive lapped hundreds of valves get rid of all the carbon make sure it is completely cleaned first than get some engineers blue its good for beginners so you know where your at other than that its easy when you lap by hand it will get quiet the more u lap thats when u check

  • @joet6990

    @joet6990

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Evolution_10_X well I ended up just letting it sit in rust remover overnight and that removed almost all of the carbon buildup inside of it, I also watched a video on laughing valves which may have been yours. I kept going until all I saw was that silver line all the way around this seat and there are no black pits in it. when I blow into the intake hole and push my valve all the way in I can notice there is a small air leak. I put some soapy water onto everything and it looks like the air leak is coming from the new valve guide from the inside of it. Is that going to be sealed up when I put a valve seal on the end or is it still going to continue leaking? Will that cause compression issues?

  • @Evolution_10_X

    @Evolution_10_X

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@joet6990 did you ream the valves? Or check the tolerances of the valve guides? I would check the correct bore hole and see if yours is in spec with what your manual says they could be worn out im doing valve guides on a triumph 650 right now and similar thing happened to me oil was seeping past the guides

  • @ryandavis6660
    @ryandavis6660Ай бұрын

    Stratforward demonstration ! Brilliant.

  • @marty7922
    @marty79227 жыл бұрын

    Lapping valves is not a machine shop only job, they usually grind, maybe replace stems. I use drill & hose on stem lapping, w/ finger grease to press the valve in & out lightly (let the compound do the work). Just push the compound back into the seat when it squeezes out. Prussian blue (or marker pen) isn’t necessary, you can easily see the gray resurfacing from the lap. If you’re really concerned, when done put alcohol on the valves and look for leaks in the ports. FYI Extra compound will not hurt the job, running it w/o compound can gall making scratches (same type metals gall). You can easily clean off the compound & not worry about grit in the engine. TIP - A wider contact surface on the exhaust is desirable, it pulls heat off the valve. A narrower contact on the intake helps prevent the seat from cooling (shrinking and dropping). Some valves have a 1º offset and not a solid contact (good for intake). Everybody has their own take on valve jobs, use what you feel’s best. You can get so perfect with stuff and still not have any better performance - just avoid burnt valves and dropped seats. If any of you are really that concerned, then replace the valve guides also. Nice video.

  • @therandommech9099

    @therandommech9099

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the info.

  • @henryfuentes3425

    @henryfuentes3425

    5 жыл бұрын

    0-Zone I like the alcohol idea . My papa told me to use gas to check if it was good. A little less fumes your way.

  • @spooky3173

    @spooky3173

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@henryfuentes3425 whats wrong with some fumes, makes the job more fun

  • @vanillagoose4444
    @vanillagoose44444 жыл бұрын

    I liked the Tap Dancing Squirrel ! He was getting his funk on while chewing them nuts !

  • @jamiesimpson1786
    @jamiesimpson17862 жыл бұрын

    Generally lapping is back and forth and rotating the valve on the seat. It is normally used to fine tune the contact after both valve & seat have been refaced. This method maybe a little harsh.

  • @timmclennan6616
    @timmclennan66163 жыл бұрын

    I've been getting great results for years using a variable speed drill on the valvestem and pulling it rather than pushing. Only tried it because my lappers suction cup had dry rotted.

  • @DieselRamcharger

    @DieselRamcharger

    3 жыл бұрын

    you havent been getting good results.

  • @roguepoops23

    @roguepoops23

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@DieselRamcharger got nothing better to do, eh?

  • @amacca995
    @amacca9956 жыл бұрын

    I tried a similar process myself except i used a hose on the other end of the valve and connected that to the drill. I changed direction of the drill a lot, not sure why but figured it might help. I did not have the suction thing you had. To my delight it worked much like yourself. Always satisfying to do your own work. Well done.

  • @snowblind5151

    @snowblind5151

    5 жыл бұрын

    I tried the hose did it about 5 to 6 times sound didn't come clean and the hose wobbling scares me to think of whats happening to the guide. I would much rather try pushing the valve perfectly into the seat than bending or warping the stem and oval wear on the guide.

  • @billholt174

    @billholt174

    Жыл бұрын

    @@snowblind5151 I had similar thoughts. It would seem to be much more accurately done with the control permitted by direct feedback of the feel if you were to use a low-cost hand-held lapping tool. That gizmo is essentially a time-tested standard. I can't imagine an advantage to sleeving the stem with hose and having to pull it backwards or upwards against gravity to do this with acceptable precision. I'm not hatin', just statin'. As well, people who use power tools for more finesse-dependent work like this are the impatient horn honkers who pass cars to be first in line at the next light. : ] Unless you can work with the exactness of a CNC machine on a job like this I don't think that a drill is your friend for anything other than getting this done in a hurry, as in a busy dealership shop or a half-assed Sal's Garage. It's easy enough to make a mistake by hand, and the force inherent in a drill is a mere extension that can take a correctable mistake to the level of irreparable fuck up.

  • @geraldswain3259
    @geraldswain32596 жыл бұрын

    Preferably a lightweight one ,and then produces a hulking great 20v model !.

  • @armaletalia3254

    @armaletalia3254

    3 жыл бұрын

    LOL

  • @lesglover6515
    @lesglover65156 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for taking the time to upload this video to let average guys and girls know how to clean up a cylinder head. Well done.

  • @wetcmonkey
    @wetcmonkey4 жыл бұрын

    I did something similar, I use a smallvacuum hose attached it to the opposite end of the valve stem and pulled up instead off pressing into it. I didn't have the lapping tool as you did but worked just as well. If it works it works

  • @garyclagett1848
    @garyclagett18484 жыл бұрын

    Very nice, easy to follow video. Do you ever reverse the drill? (Back and forth)?

  • @gibamec7636
    @gibamec76363 жыл бұрын

    Good job, Master!

  • @road2ziondesign988
    @road2ziondesign9882 жыл бұрын

    Excellent job and great detail thanks for sharing.

  • @richardalexander7089
    @richardalexander70895 жыл бұрын

    Ignore the *haters*. There are quite a few of these videos out there. You placed a disclaimer at the beginning. That should be enough. I learned a lot from this video. Thank you! I've also looked through the comments and found some good info. As well. If I combine your video and some of the comments, such as (paraphrasing here) "..the surface should be a dull grey and not really shiny. " has helped me a lot! Thank you again!

  • @bajanboyhood
    @bajanboyhood5 жыл бұрын

    Seemed to grind those seats pretty long. How much were your shim Clarences out after your lapping process?

  • @joeabels3931
    @joeabels39316 жыл бұрын

    I tried this and it worked great. Thanks so much for the post.

  • @Midnight_Rider96
    @Midnight_Rider966 жыл бұрын

    The best way to do a diy valve job is lap the seats until pitting is gone, then have the valves ground at a machine shop to restore a perfect cone shape, the do a final light lap with fine compound. Cutting the seats is where most of the money goes, and hardened seats tend not to wear as quickly as valves anyway. More importantly, the valve needs to be able to expand from heat and still seal. You only get that back by grinding the valve. Lapping a worn valve will make it seal only in the exact position it was lapped, which won't matter when it heats up and expands

  • @ThomasJeppesen

    @ThomasJeppesen

    5 жыл бұрын

    Alistair B what would be the consequences of a too large contact area between seat and valve? I’m changing the valves on my motorcycle, and after lapping it looks great, but the contact area is right around service limit on exhaust side. It’s not that I’m lazy to go have the seats cut, but I live in Vietnam, and I really don’t want to have the machine shop molest the head. If it’s a question of longevity, I can live with that, but I wonder if there are other issues? Cheers

  • @borna430

    @borna430

    2 жыл бұрын

    A valve that goes to the machine shop is much more expensive than a new valve :)

  • @Midnight_Rider96

    @Midnight_Rider96

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@borna430 not necessarily. I worked in a machine shop we always ground the valves if they weren't too damaged. New valves can be pretty expensive or hard to find for vintage or exotic engines.

  • @vadski3469

    @vadski3469

    5 ай бұрын

    Would I be okay lapping new valves with used, unlapped seats?

  • @vadski3469

    @vadski3469

    5 ай бұрын

    Aftermarket valves that is.

  • @MrHandy-hz5ju
    @MrHandy-hz5ju7 жыл бұрын

    you can measure the seat like that to be accurate.. you have to check runout. which is a measuring tool you can you in a circular measurement. look up measuring valve runout. its basically a dial indicator..

  • @norain31
    @norain312 жыл бұрын

    When valves arent flat and suction cup wont stick i use a 1/4 fuel hose . I slide the hose over the valve stem from back side and i put a short peice of dowl in the drill side of hose . Clamp on drill then do the lapping . just another way i thought id mention .good job there bud .

  • @dickJohnsonpeter
    @dickJohnsonpeter4 жыл бұрын

    I looked around with a boroscope into a 4.0 L6 in a 97 xj I had just purchased, with 197,000 and everything looked brand new, I mean, barely any carbon, cross hatching on cylinder walls looked new valves/seats all shiny and smooth, I was not expecting this from a vehicle clearly driven through 20 years of harsh northern winters. Best $500 I ever spent. It now has 210,000 and runs like new.

  • @bottmar1
    @bottmar16 жыл бұрын

    Just be sure to use grease based lapping compound as the water based crap doesn't spread very evenly since the valve likely has some oil residue on it. Also water based compound dries up in it's container. Grease based stores forever.

  • @algonzalez8798
    @algonzalez87987 жыл бұрын

    This is a good Old School trick we "Budget Racers" used. Might use less lapping compound and keep the speed as low as you can.....save the valve guides. Also, the marking dye should be transparent when applied properly.....but, all in all great information to help those that can't afford those machine shop fees which now are just crazy!

  • @dirkrosslee796

    @dirkrosslee796

    5 жыл бұрын

    I just use the 2 stage compound .clean off nicely. Assemble and pour some feul to check for leaks.

  • @martinez1701a

    @martinez1701a

    5 жыл бұрын

    Machining is outrageous now adays $90 for a simple crank polish or few hundred to resurface a set of heads is bullshit!

  • @martinez1701a

    @martinez1701a

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@dirkrosslee796 yeah gas or acetone is great for checking seats.

  • @ColdWarVet607

    @ColdWarVet607

    5 жыл бұрын

    I used soapy water (lots of dish washing soap) over my valves after pulling the head, then blew compressed air under the valve and watch the bubbles grow. After a good lapping no more bubbles.

  • @2andrewd

    @2andrewd

    5 жыл бұрын

    transparent marking dye. you just won a patent.

  • @sleezymechanic
    @sleezymechanic4 жыл бұрын

    The service manual made it very clear I was suppose to 1/4 turn with the prussian blue. To turn or not to turn.

  • @AmicosBarandgrill
    @AmicosBarandgrill7 жыл бұрын

    Great video! I would also use the drill alternately forward and in reverse and at a lower rpm.

  • @prophaniti1
    @prophaniti15 жыл бұрын

    Great way to socket the seats....

  • @hacwa

    @hacwa

    2 жыл бұрын

    what does this mean? - don't actually expect a reply but worth a shot :D

  • @jrlopez7874
    @jrlopez78746 жыл бұрын

    a pro grinded valves by hand

  • @user-wc3sl4xs6l
    @user-wc3sl4xs6l5 жыл бұрын

    Sitting here laughing at all the tapping complaints 😂😂😂

  • @waynep343
    @waynep3434 жыл бұрын

    HUGE HINT.. if your valve seats are 44 or 45 degrees.. take an extra valve and grind it to 60 degrees so you can narrow the seats up from the bottom with lapping compound. you may need a slightly larger valve to grind a 30 degree seat on that to narrow valve seats from the top with the 30... you will have to do this with exhaust and intake valves.

  • @szbalogh
    @szbalogh4 жыл бұрын

    Did You wash the lapping compound in the valve guide? :o

  • @NKPGarage
    @NKPGarage2 жыл бұрын

    Great job. And very good to see you check the spec.

  • @carlescarles4112
    @carlescarles41124 жыл бұрын

    what size grit did u use of the grinding paste?

  • @davidsundquist1845
    @davidsundquist18454 жыл бұрын

    try a leak down test-fill the chamber with clean solvent-should hold over nite without leaking.

  • @carl_marks1626
    @carl_marks16264 жыл бұрын

    It went from a 3 angle to one big angle valve job.

  • @charlesbrewer6552

    @charlesbrewer6552

    3 жыл бұрын

    My aircraft engine manufacturer recomends (during an engine maintenance course where we did it) to cut the 3 angles and then lap to achieve a minimum seal. Checked with prussian blue to about 1mm or less, but a continuous, definit seal. The lapped seal was to be in the middle of the valve seat and the valve face. They said "BY HAND", do not give it to engine shop who will put it in a machine to do. The method shown here appears to destroy valve and seats angles. Well, that's what I was taught by the manufacturer of my aircraft engine. But, what would they know?

  • @jacquespoirier9071

    @jacquespoirier9071

    Жыл бұрын

    @@charlesbrewer6552 it is the best way to confirm a good valve contact, I never use a machine of any kind to lap valves after grinding. On modern engines, it happens frequently that the valves and seats are in a very good condition so just a very light lapping to clean the contact is required.

  • @Taydrum
    @Taydrum4 жыл бұрын

    You need to do this by hand, never with a drill, because you need to listen to the sound of the valve on the seat. You also need to go both directions

  • @bendude6748

    @bendude6748

    3 жыл бұрын

    I think both will do the job but I also prefer to do the job by hand I think you get a better feel for it.

  • @carlosarce5013
    @carlosarce50135 жыл бұрын

    Can't wait to try this technique, thanks bro.

  • @aliibrahim2618
    @aliibrahim26185 жыл бұрын

    Good job 👍🏾

  • @davidmiles4394
    @davidmiles43944 жыл бұрын

    I've been doing mine the same way but I've been doing the water and air test and still got a couple valves that's leaking

  • @SvcGlobal
    @SvcGlobal7 жыл бұрын

    Great, great, great video! Thanks a lot!

  • @juntjoonunya9216
    @juntjoonunya92166 жыл бұрын

    What is that noise?? And I don't mind it

  • @patriciasparks6740
    @patriciasparks67403 жыл бұрын

    The cta lapping compound is it in two parts? All I can find it f/c black that seems to be like permatex valve grinding compound. Where did you get yours??

  • @ralphbrown2714
    @ralphbrown27144 жыл бұрын

    You were right ,not done by a professional.

  • @lamewarrior
    @lamewarrior6 ай бұрын

    Where are you finding suction cups that stick? I bought new, genuine "made in China" rubbers and finally had to rotate the valves with my fingers. (they didn't need lapping anyway, just a "feel good" exercise)

  • @Mattmorro67
    @Mattmorro674 жыл бұрын

    Sped up sounds like an old 22R turning over

  • @michaelcwilson2
    @michaelcwilson26 жыл бұрын

    Great video. A little advice, go way lighter with the blueing. Cheers mate

  • @kevinbui5280
    @kevinbui52805 жыл бұрын

    It’s really easy way, I’ll try for my car at home, i hope I’ll successfully. Many thanks for your interesting videp :)

  • @theunknownone5663
    @theunknownone56636 жыл бұрын

    What is that backround noise?

  • @fatboysonny
    @fatboysonny6 жыл бұрын

    Nice video, thanks. I have a compression issue with my WR250F. I'm almost certain it's valves, as the piston and rings were new and in tolerance. I already tried to lap the valves once, but don't think they were in spec. I will attempt again with a few of your hints, cheers!

  • @firstnamelastname7352

    @firstnamelastname7352

    6 жыл бұрын

    Cant lap valves on dirt bikes. Replace only

  • @MotoBuilds

    @MotoBuilds

    6 жыл бұрын

    I think the wr valves may be stainless. In which case they can be lapped in. However it is very likely your valve shims. Not the seat and valve itself...

  • @samdraper9340

    @samdraper9340

    5 жыл бұрын

    How did you get on.. currently having some problem on my sherco 250

  • @greggoldie2351
    @greggoldie23516 жыл бұрын

    Wet test is best!

  • @Turbogto_guy
    @Turbogto_guy6 жыл бұрын

    To any of the people saying this won’t work and this isn’t a good job, I’ve done the same thing on engines many years ago that are still running perfectly. All you need is the valve to seal against the seat. If the valve has a coating and you wear it off then the valves won’t last. So in that case you replace the valves and lap new ones in that aren’t coated.

  • @samlorca7974
    @samlorca79745 жыл бұрын

    This is manual process, don't use an electric tool!!!

  • @motleymenace

    @motleymenace

    5 жыл бұрын

    I've personally done it this way a couple times so far during my apprenticeship and have not had any problems, however I can see why you personally may choose the original way over this as it could be easy to make a mistake like this, however I feel if you take your time it can still do the job right and save you a lot of time.

  • @llewvirtue861

    @llewvirtue861

    5 жыл бұрын

    I wanted to cringe when I say that power tool, I started my trade doing heads in cummins engines. The face of that valve and the seat should both should have been faced. This is a short term solution

  • @55chevytruck

    @55chevytruck

    4 жыл бұрын

    Bob Glidden used to use a food mixer back in the day and I seem to remember his pro stock motors ran pretty well.

  • @jackm5213

    @jackm5213

    4 жыл бұрын

    That valve and that seat are so bad that the valve should have been faced and seat cut to ensure apropriate angle and back cut lapping fucked valvles like this will cut its own angle and destroy CFM

  • @TakeDeadAim

    @TakeDeadAim

    4 жыл бұрын

    BS. I build/rebuild roughly 20 heads of all makes per week. I use a drill on every one of them to lap the valves. Been doing it that way for roughly 7 years. You deal with the Doodle stick if you want. I'll do the same job...better...in 1/10th of the time. Also, no need for prussian blue. After you've don't enough you'll know by sound and feel. You can also use a sharpie if you really want. And yeah...that was WAAAAAY too much!lol!

  • @Michael-lg4wz
    @Michael-lg4wz5 жыл бұрын

    how does your suction cup work so well ive tried cold water warm water, a little detergent, CRC,dry,light sanding

  • @AndresLopizesuno

    @AndresLopizesuno

    5 жыл бұрын

    Silicone lub works great

  • @slickricktheruler
    @slickricktheruler4 жыл бұрын

    Great how for the DIY person. Thanks man.

  • @897473
    @8974735 жыл бұрын

    Great video. Well done!

  • @pauljanssen2624
    @pauljanssen26243 жыл бұрын

    When you over lap a valve into the valve seat you around the seat and don't have a true interference fit it will work for a short time but you'll end up burning a valve a rounded angle and not a true 45 flat angle worst thing you can do is use electric drill

  • @fretzmaler7591

    @fretzmaler7591

    6 ай бұрын

    You Are absolutely right here, the drill method is for the lazy Boys and wrong seat fitment, this drill method is harsh.

  • @JAVTROOPER
    @JAVTROOPER3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you 🙏🏻😊

  • @memadmax69
    @memadmax697 жыл бұрын

    Ouch. Scratched the hell out of that valve.

  • @carlosruiz9963
    @carlosruiz9963 Жыл бұрын

    But do they have to seal ?100 percent cos a still have very tini air comprecion los even after polishing 😢

  • @k2one9
    @k2one95 жыл бұрын

    Do you have a typewriter?

  • @TheWolf047

    @TheWolf047

    4 жыл бұрын

    thats what i thought to!!

  • @torque395
    @torque3957 ай бұрын

    What engine is this head for?

  • @molliarti
    @molliarti6 жыл бұрын

    Companion,I think that make this don't good,I was learn when put a compound,the movements of valve its right-left right-left right-left. Why you use the drill in a one direction? Thanks for your time.

  • @MiKa-fu2wi
    @MiKa-fu2wi5 жыл бұрын

    Thank God for squirrel camera men...

  • @Nunya_Beezwax
    @Nunya_Beezwax5 жыл бұрын

    Prussian Blue is totally unnecessary. The lapping compound will leave a dark ring around the valve face when it's seating correctly

  • @grahamlangston2101
    @grahamlangston21014 жыл бұрын

    Using a drill in only one direction will cause lining Mark's lazy way of doing a job

  • @TunerFaction
    @TunerFaction3 жыл бұрын

    Though this is an old video I thought I might try and steer some people away from lapping your valves. Though it may seem intuitive, lapping your valves will actually produce negative effects for your engine. This is because when you lap your valves, you do it when the block is cold. This means the valve may seat well when the engine isn't warmed up, but when you are up to operating temps, your valves will no longer seat correctly. This is why it's always best to get your valve seating done at a machine shop.

  • @owaind-g678

    @owaind-g678

    3 жыл бұрын

    Are you suggesting that a machine shop would heat up your head and valves to lap them together? If you were to send a head to a machine shop for a valve job its likely going to be more than just lapping valves, maybe cutting angles onto valve faces/seats, installing new valve guides/seats, Lapping would be done as the final step of a valve job sure, but it wouldn't be the sole reason to send it. I regularly see vehicle manufacturers explain how and why to lap valves in the vehicle manuals quite often. I personally believe your advice is not based upon any evidence, its just more of an opinion. Valve lapping is not that difficult and if you managed to dig them out of the engine your probably competent enough to rub em together a bit. just my opinion though.

  • @TunerFaction

    @TunerFaction

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@owaind-g678 Hey Owain thanks for the reply good sir! I appreciate the respectful disagreement and thought I might respond to your response. So I don't think a machine shop heats up the head and then laps valve seats. Like you said, when you get a valve job done at a machine shop they cut new seats at various angles and then as a final step, they very briefly lap the valves to remove any peaks from the valve seat cutting. In the research I have done, lapping your valves without getting new seats cut is a bad idea and can cause problems down the road. There is a great video from HP Academy on KZread that explains exactly why lapping your valves is not a great idea. If you were interested, just search up "Can I lap my valves at home?" By HP Academy. There are a few other reputable sources that also say the same thing and the conclusion that I have come to is that lapping valves without getting new seats cut is a bad idea. I also agree with you in that it's an easy job to lap your valves by yourself, I'm simply saying that even if you do it correctly, I don't think it's healthy for your engine. This is obviously just my opinion, and I could be wrong! I just thought I would share what conclusion I have come to given the research I have done on the topic!

  • @owaind-g678

    @owaind-g678

    3 жыл бұрын

    ​@@TunerFaction Thanks for your reply and expanding on your idea, I understand your point better now and i agree freshly cut valves will always be the best option, but not always the viable option. Although there is a big difference between racing and road engines and id like to focus more on every day street engines for the at home "DIY" valve work we see in these videos online. Engines will still run even in awful conditions with pitted valves and bad compression and weak springs, could have your timing off and the things still run like a hot damn. Most the valve work I have had to do is on older vehicles with higher mileage, the parts aren't always available and can cost a small fortune if you can get them at all, sometimes resorting to second hand parts or donor engines, sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do to get by and a lot of the time it means the parts will get cleaned off and put back together as they were, machine shop time is expensive and not always within the budget at this point i dont think you would be doing any real harm to the engine by improving the mating surfaces of the valves or seats, as long as your careful not to damage the valve guides should all be fine and dandy. I am still curious about the expansion of valves and seats to the point of failure to seal but in a racing engine with forced induction it may be the case, It's an interesting idea and i will do some more research into it regardless. Thank you for the heads up on HP academy channel i will be taking a look at their videos.

  • @TunerFaction

    @TunerFaction

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@owaind-g678 Owain thanks once again for being so civil about our conversation. Too many people on here would have just called me an idiot and moved on. I think you have a good point, I had crafted my opinion looking at this topic purely from a racing/forced induction engine standpoint where the best option will always be to have a machine shop cut your valve seats. On an older engine where parts are few are far between, I don't think their is as much of a problem lapping your valves at home to get rid of some pitting or worn out valve seats. In a case like that, you would likely improve the seating of the valve overall! You are also right that it's not in many peoples budgets to get a valve job at a machine shop, heck, I didn't even get a valve job at the machine shop because it would have cost me north of 1500 buckaroos. I would say that there is no "correct" answer, I think it changes from situation to situation. If you want to build a high horsepower race engine, lapping your valves at home is really not the way to go. If you are just rebuilding your daily driver or rebuilding an older engine with no intention of pushing big power, I don't think there is anything wrong with lapping your valves at home. Great conversation!

  • @Dylans503

    @Dylans503

    2 жыл бұрын

    Dear, Owain. Are you still there?... I miss you. ~ Your lover always, Tuner Faction.

  • @mikerieck306
    @mikerieck3064 жыл бұрын

    ......and sometimes you need to do a Serdi valve job and replace the valves. Like right at the beginning of the video.

  • @75L48
    @75L486 жыл бұрын

    It must be bent to a degree no prussian blue is needed to see its bent before your method will read results. :D

  • @pantherplatform
    @pantherplatform3 жыл бұрын

    I'm halfway thru restoring a 1990 Ford 300-6 but the head and valves are like brand new still. The head is cast iron so I don't have to be as careful cleaning the seats as if it was aluminum. Looks like your a pro.

  • @untraditionalministries4588
    @untraditionalministries45887 жыл бұрын

    everybody on here complaining, whu font you do your own videos, he already said hes not a professional

  • @Elipro427

    @Elipro427

    6 жыл бұрын

    Aaron Frazier finally someone with commen sense.

  • @J__C__

    @J__C__

    6 жыл бұрын

    Aaron Frazier English much, Aaron? Jeez. Whu font? Wu Tang for life! Lmao

  • @jacquespoirier9071

    @jacquespoirier9071

    6 жыл бұрын

    this is good to confirm the contact on the valve seating area but there is a reason to rotate the valve in alternate direction, when the guide is not perfect, you end up with an egg shaped seat. and gouged valves. the best use of lapping compound is to confirm a seating contact on a freshly reground valve and seat and it should be done very lightly as there is an angle difference of 1 degree between the valve and the seat to promote an initial tight gas seal and this angle interference should not be destroyed

  • @fortuner123

    @fortuner123

    5 жыл бұрын

    If he is doing a bad vid then he should expect corrections knuckle head.

  • @TonaldDrump686

    @TonaldDrump686

    5 жыл бұрын

    Jacques Poirier : 👈 This guy is 💯 percent correct. Y’all should listen.

  • @Rashid-ee5ig
    @Rashid-ee5ig2 жыл бұрын

    Lapping tool ka link bhi send karna

  • @Mr_BUSINESS_24_7
    @Mr_BUSINESS_24_74 жыл бұрын

    From a 5 angle valve job ground down to a 1 angle valve job.

  • @crownvictorialifestyle4421

    @crownvictorialifestyle4421

    4 жыл бұрын

    C Shara exactly this was absolutely pointless if he did not perform a valve job on these heads there's no point to do the process that he's doing he's making things worse

  • @sandbiker
    @sandbiker5 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic video, thanks.

  • @themotorlawcompany4673
    @themotorlawcompany46735 жыл бұрын

    Good vid. Some voiceover explaining why you would do this would be helpful.

  • 4 жыл бұрын

    Seat and valve seat are freshened up but the stem is shot..

  • @JK-dn4pu
    @JK-dn4pu4 жыл бұрын

    Prussian blue has been used a many of times in inner shop terroristic games. 😂

  • @TonaldDrump686

    @TonaldDrump686

    4 жыл бұрын

    Justin Folsom :Anti seize does well also......😂

  • @Eddie-cw5mi
    @Eddie-cw5mi7 жыл бұрын

    great vid. thanks for the info!

  • @SanjanaRanasingha
    @SanjanaRanasingha4 жыл бұрын

    Now do this for 16 valves

  • @myintkyawmoe5373
    @myintkyawmoe53734 жыл бұрын

    Good thank.

  • @emotionalintelligence776
    @emotionalintelligence776 Жыл бұрын

    You watch a video like this in which this guy meticulously laps the valve and checks it to see if he's in spec. Then you read a comment from an engine builder who with his 30 years of experience confesses he's never lapped a new valve and never had a problem, Lol. Not saying you should or should not that's entirely up to you and your peace of mind but hey if you are wondering if its been done that answer is a yes.

  • @Rashid-ee5ig
    @Rashid-ee5ig2 жыл бұрын

    Valve hand grinding machine kaha milegi link send me

  • @rshinn8776
    @rshinn8776 Жыл бұрын

    So much blue. Gonna get false contact with it that heavy.

  • @michaelhayward7790
    @michaelhayward77902 жыл бұрын

    Always remember to put the lapping compound on the valve stem and rotate whilst installing.. good as new right?

  • @Just1Spark
    @Just1Spark3 жыл бұрын

    The background noise is the cameras auto focus lol. Not a mouse.

  • @doddgarger6806
    @doddgarger68064 жыл бұрын

    Lapping alone isn't a valve job Get this wrong and you'll end up with a burnt valve, they will cake with carbon and too wide of a seat cant cut the carbon and self clean That's the reason for the specs on the seat width, usually about 1mm up to about 1.5mm 0.040 to 0.060 max typically I tried, I learned, I bought a neway seat cutter and mandrel set so I can actually do a real valve job for about $150 used on Ebay This is after lapping 6x pitted exhaust valves that ran perfect before I touched them After lapping with a drill it ended up with a few valves caked with carbon and a terrible running jeep

  • @crownvictorialifestyle4421

    @crownvictorialifestyle4421

    4 жыл бұрын

    Dodd Garger it's the internet you know all the morons will believe and continue to think that this process is a basic valve job when it is simply not as you stated this process is absolutely pointless without a valve job but like I say it's the internet and there be 20 other people doing the same garbage You and I know that this is done after a valve job is done to check to see where the valve and the seat meet There's different purposes for where they want the seat and valve to meet up is the only purpose for lapping compound

  • @garyr7027

    @garyr7027

    4 жыл бұрын

    Many will disagree with you, and many more done valve lapping with success. I've done this before myself and I know it works, never had issues. I didn't do it quite this way but nonetheless I've done it. Perhaps you didn't lap the valve right? Or perhaps you took too much off? This trick will work, however you have to make sure the seat and the valve is good enough for it. Too much pitting and this is not the idea solution. It's only good for minimal grinding.

  • @hairyassJock
    @hairyassJock5 жыл бұрын

    Better with a spring underneath the valve so you have a push back which helps reduce any damage... nice job though 👌

  • @ShenaniganZone
    @ShenaniganZone7 жыл бұрын

    thanks. you helped me big time

  • @rustyshackelford8769
    @rustyshackelford87692 жыл бұрын

    Sounds like when I get my teeth cleaned. I have to go now.

  • @aaronloggan2197
    @aaronloggan21974 жыл бұрын

    After witnessing multiple machine shops work on cylinder heads.. I would totally prefer doing it this way.. and plan on!

  • @syedmuzamil2044
    @syedmuzamil20445 жыл бұрын

    Great

  • @snowblind5151
    @snowblind51515 жыл бұрын

    Where do I get the suction cup?

  • @rb3166

    @rb3166

    4 жыл бұрын

    From the stick. You can buy it at Napa.

  • @TXARMYVET89
    @TXARMYVET895 жыл бұрын

    Video in fast forward sounds like a engine trying to start lol

  • @braddistler5697
    @braddistler56975 жыл бұрын

    Valve seats should be exede 1/16” mating area. Those are fully worn out now. Lol

  • @andrewnardo1021
    @andrewnardo10214 жыл бұрын

    I’ve lapped valves with a drill more times than not and have had literally 0 issues. From small engines to large agricultural diesels. Never had wear issues or leaking issues. Would I use it for a high performance application, no, but for re lapping good used valves during a rebuild there’s no issue.

  • @joshcallaghan9432

    @joshcallaghan9432

    4 жыл бұрын

    People like to bag out what they've never tried and love the "oldskool way". That may be better but could you feel the difference? I doubt it. I did this the other day and it seemed to work. My Exhaust valves leaked air, now they dont. Gotta be happy with that!

  • @ominguti6345
    @ominguti63454 жыл бұрын

    You're using way too much prussian blue. Those dabs with the tube you make along the radius of the valve, one would suffice. Then you should smear the prussian blue around the valve with your finger so there is a very thin even amount. It should look even, then you press the valve into its seat and you give it a "slight" whack with a piece of wood or plastic. This transfers the blue sufficiently. This method will show you half a thou out of round, while your method will probably show great transfer with 10 thou out of round.

  • @jacquespoirier9071

    @jacquespoirier9071

    Жыл бұрын

    totally agree

  • @sliverfang9379
    @sliverfang93795 жыл бұрын

    This is a very easy way to lapping valve seat at valve however this might may eat a lot of metal due to fast rotation at pressure compare to manual hand rotation..very informative video though

  • @marcosrivera2563
    @marcosrivera25633 жыл бұрын

    Perfected do Brazil

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