Rip pironi and depailler two very fast and underated drivers

@aperitivoitaliano

2 жыл бұрын

Pironi son of a pitch

@Dolek135

2 жыл бұрын

@@aperitivoitaliano Gilles Villeneuve fan by any chance?

@jantjepietje5806

2 жыл бұрын

RIP

@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044

2 жыл бұрын

Pironi. 1982's real world champion.

@dmpramos670

2 жыл бұрын

👍👏👏👏

I did not realise how much I missed Sir Murray until I heard him here.

"couldn't stop the dollar from luring Formula 1 away to a car park in Las Vegas" literally what's happening right now with F1. So many great tracks in the world to race at, yet for some reason we are gonna have a race in Las Vegas at 10pm next year.

@thesexbomb

2 жыл бұрын

the vegas layout is a fire doe, like a monza pedal to the metal stuff

@karelpipa

2 жыл бұрын

@@kuckoo9036 yes miami layout is a disaster.

@hunterdanton3752

2 жыл бұрын

Dog the race hasn’t even happened yet, these purist f1 gatekeepers are so boring man don’t even give new places a chance

@A1XoTiiK

2 жыл бұрын

Americans

@Bzorlan

Жыл бұрын

@@hunterdanton3752 my dude they are removing spa from the calendar

The harmonic note of both engines at 1:15. Wow.

I used to watch these on Speedvision back in the late 80's. I miss them.

Look at all that hard work with steering wheel in the corners...

I would really love to see F1 go back here. It's still an awesome circuit.

@maurocoimbra9624

2 жыл бұрын

The landscape is gorgeous, but I'm afraid the investment to retrofit this raceway to current requirements will be huge... beyond any affordable limits. It's a pitty.

@ComputerWhiz_

2 жыл бұрын

@@maurocoimbra9624 I think replacing the barriers would be a huge investment as well and it probably another reason they will never come back.

@geek49203

2 жыл бұрын

No hotels within reasonable distance. Word has it that Bernie used to commute from Chicago to IMS back in the day 'cause Indy didn't have a nice enough hotel. The pits and media center are hopeless, would require a bulldozer to fix. The fencing dictating the crowd control would have to be redone. That's just a warmup.

@tygobermind3640

2 жыл бұрын

Would be a micky mouse track with zero overtakes.

@StarkRaven59

2 жыл бұрын

No sense ruining a perfectly good race track for modern F1.

1:47 ha! Good old Murray.

Would love to see the USGP back at the Glen.

Man i Iove these old tracks..

@SrRodqueiroz

2 жыл бұрын

I love old Interlagos!

@andrealettich

2 жыл бұрын

tilke was sheet. old was( almost) always better

Huge respect for these drivers. They weren't just working very hard to keep the car on the track, and be fast, but a mistake or an accident could have easily cost their lives. Completely completely different mindset to drive, and make decisions while racing. They didn't need instagram, or youtube livestreams to be famous or popular. They earned their respect on the track. Today's F1 can be faster, more modern, more Gs, yet these guys in the old days, just had that extra.

@tygobermind3640

2 жыл бұрын

Mindset is the same, you don't think about killing yourself.

@mancuniancandidatem

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention a higher probability of fire in the event of a bad crash. These cars were mobile Molotov cocktails.

@james2578

2 жыл бұрын

the drivers today do not need instagram or youtube streams to be famous. the sponsors want it. and that keeps em racing. so there's no need to have a sly dig at anyone to make your point.

@_-MiamiVice-_

2 жыл бұрын

@@james2578 Kimi, sponsors want you on live streams....Bwoah, i don't care, leave me alone

@aldodiaz6604

Жыл бұрын

You're rigth...

Peroni was my favorite driver when I was a kid. Sad about his terrible crash. Never drove the same afterwards. RIP

@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044

2 жыл бұрын

There was a very good biography of Pironi by David Sedgwick that came out a couple of years ago. I highly recommend you read it, if you haven't already. Pironi was a very interesting person (on and off track).

The long gone Pironi, Depailler and Murray Walker

@thethirdman225

2 жыл бұрын

I was lucky enough to meet two of them. I have Piron's autograph and a photograph with Murray. Never me Patrick.

Those were real drivers! Absolutely stunning

Watkins glen was such a modern and revolutionary track for its time, the glen is one of my top 3 race tracks, the classic layout is soo awesome

@matchu9995

7 ай бұрын

I agree. If Zandvoort (given how tight it is) returned to the F1 calendar, I don't see why the Glen cannot. Of course, it should replace one of the current US tracks since they have so many

@thatonenigeriansformula

7 ай бұрын

@@matchu9995 the glen doesn’t have the facilities to hold a f1 race it doesn’t even have a paddock building

@matchu9995

7 ай бұрын

@@thatonenigeriansformula If only F1 invested in reviving the glen instead of destroying the LV strip..

Seeing these guys lap the Glen is like seeing an old lover.

Wow, killer footage. I'd forgotten about the chicane up the esses... Also, it's wonderful to see the circuit pre bus-stop chicane... fantastic overtaking possibilities... Ideally, implement ample run off and construction/safety barriers etc, I'd love to see the bus stop removed. I remember J.D. McDuffie's wreck like it was yesterday, same with Senna at Imola... yet these chicanes have a tendency to fundamentally change any circuit's passing characteristics... get rid of them and implement adequate run off safety. After all, as Hemingway stated; Bull Fighting, Motor Racing, and Mountaineering, ... everything else is a game.

@rdtli

Жыл бұрын

i think the chicane in the esses qere there because of cevert´s fatal crash ...am i right?

@wheresaldocanoe

7 ай бұрын

@@rdtli The chicane was added from 1975 onwards, after both Cevert and Koinigg's fatal accidents.

very thrilling to watch this!!! I have driven my Porsche 944turbo in the same tire tracks!!!! 😂😂😂😂🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘🏁🏁🍺🍺🍺

Man, i miss his voice

@james2578

2 жыл бұрын

too right

Awesome the chicane after first corner!

@charlesanzalone5846

3 жыл бұрын

Added after every crash ,only lasted few years before esses up hill were restored

@charlesanzalone5846

2 жыл бұрын

Ruined the course

And Watkins Glen is where Formula 1 needs to go back to. Phenomenal circuit

@charlesanzalone5846

2 жыл бұрын

Would cost millions to make it up to new standards , especially the pit Lane with garages and run offs and it would lose money like COTA

@SN-nh6pq

2 жыл бұрын

charles anzalone There are enough interested parties/investors that would be very happy to do it. Money isn’t the issue

@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044

2 жыл бұрын

@@SN-nh6pq NASCAR owns Watkins Glen. They are cheapskates. They aren't going to bring the circuit up to standards.

To go that fast in cars with crap tires and old suspension and frames, they were GODS, compared to todays pampered drivers with light yrs advance tech.

Wonderful video with REAL drivers in REAL cars on a REAL track!

When sex was safe motor racing was dangerous

The Glen is great for ANY racing. I've seen NASCAR, GTP and Touring Car Endurance racing there. Awesome track!

@artmchugh5644

3 жыл бұрын

You got that right !!!! Driven there many times myself in the Porsche! ! So many great cars / drivers !!🍺🍺🍺🍺😄😄😎😎

@rt2255

2 жыл бұрын

Do not forget bike racing there. Awesome.

so sad Watkins Glen isnt the host anymore, amazing circuit, awesome in nascar, awesome in old f1

Liberty Media, just bring back these cameras and give us more onboards

@kcrossleKMC

2 жыл бұрын

Huh? F1TV lets you choose all the on boards you want.

F1 needs to return to the Glen

@paulhall170

2 жыл бұрын

F1 needs to return to real drivers and real cars, that's what it REALLY needs to do.....

@thethirdman225

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulhall170 2022 should make some difference. The change in suspension rules and the lower profile front tyres will make the cars more dependent od their suspension and they should dance around a bit more.

My god these cars were a handful.

Was awesome before all the guardrails went up right alongside the track. The back straight was especially great to watch with a clear view. I understand the safety needs but damn. it was great to watch the cars there before.

I love the drop offs either side of the tarmac

Man...that was racing for racers...

1:42 nothing has changed, murray...nothing has changed

Didier was just five points away from winning the 1982 World Championship and he missed the last five races after his horrific crash in Germany, that Championship was his…

No problem staying within track limits there.

You really had to fight these cars wow

drove this track in GT7 recently and after watching this video i learned that the track has barely changed anything beside some tarmac runoff areas and flatter curbs. it’s great to see tracks like this maintain their layout.

@epistte

2 жыл бұрын

I drove the full track, including the boot, first in SCCA Formula Continental and then in F-Mazda. Its a fun track and very fast.

@peacemission305

Жыл бұрын

@@epistte pretty cool, howd you get a seat in fc and formula mazda?

@DnBBHox

Жыл бұрын

Granted it's not as dramatic as the evolution of Silverstone, but compaing the modern layout to the one in this video at 0:09, they've added the bus stop chicane and the deleted the chicane in the esses (which was added in 75 after Cevert and stuck around until ~83 or so). Other than that, I guess it's p. much the same.

SPA vibes. Shame this could’ve stayed on the F1 calendar.

Murray Walker ❤️ rip

That track is nuts.

When men were men and curbs were curbs.

Watching this to get some pointers for Gran Turismo 7. very challenging track

@Fergy00000

2 жыл бұрын

The track is coming to ACC also. Very exciting. Can't wait to try it.

@chadgrov

2 жыл бұрын

@@Fergy00000 it’s pretty sick, driving there at night is wild, looks great feels very different than a lot Of the other tracks in the game. reminds me of Zaandvort

Before paddle shifters

Insane!

Pironi should have been World Champion 1982...

Watkins glen is about 40 minutes from me, I would kill to have f1 return there even if the racing and the cars aren't as exciting as they used to be

This footage is better than the last 10 years of F1 together.

What a pity Murray is talking over this great footage.

Crazy to see how close they can run together, let's hope for more of that kind of action in '22.

@rt2255

2 жыл бұрын

Never happen until they take electronics and telemetry out and make racers do the racing.

@n111254789

Жыл бұрын

There is no abs, traction control, stability management, or any other kind of electronic assists today. Telemetry is for the engineers to tune the car it's just data gathering. Knowing the intake air temperature and tire pressure changes doesn't help the driver right then. There's tighter racing today due to the saftey drivers just go for it 100% because they know if they crash they are going to live. Which is why Hamilton and Verstappen got so absolutely crazy. In the old days they either wouldn't race like that or they would both be dead. Mind you there are zero gaps in the powerband in these cars nowadays due to the electric motors making instant torque and they are pushing over 1000hp making them probably about as twitchy as they ever have been short of when they ran grooved slicks back in like 2004

@aarongreen121

Жыл бұрын

@@n111254789 the wheelbases are longer though, I think from memory, either Martin Brundle or Jeremy Clarkson said that they're like Limousines these days! It would be lovely to go back to those short nimble rockets we had back in 2003-2008... But please, no grooves. If you have the time watch back a 2008 Monaco qualifying session. The cars are positively skimming across the surface of the roads. Totally different formula of racing!

@n111254789

Жыл бұрын

@@aarongreen121 Oh I watch ton's of the old videos I like pretty much all era's beside the beginning of the hybrid era that was awful. 08 was a fantastic season and in qualifying trim they were awesome. They for sure have gotten much longer but slightly narrower than some points in the past. But yeah they are about 800mm longer than in 90's. They are roughly 5 meters long now which is very long. A large reason for that is simply speed their average speed has increased drastically and with that you need stability so rotational inertia is a big factor and aerodynamics since the cars are restricted to 2000mm wide now and only 1600mm on the floor if you want more surface area for ground effect and over the body airflow it has to be an increase in length. They focus less on street circuits so having a car that short provides really no benefit these modern cars are much more nimble at high speeds than the old cars simply because they can turn much harder without ending up facing backwards. So both are very nimble just at different ranges of speed. Neither could do what the other can. I'm just thankful active suspension, traction control, and abs didn't stick around as long as they are fully driving it and the cars continue to get faster I'm happy.

Remember the bog

This has an American Nurburgring feeling...

These men were "Gladiators" . Niki Lauda was right , "Today Formula One is too safe" . Don't want to see any one hurt , but drivers now take an attitude that back in the day = death .

Merci !

Tough one to find now. Maybe Ebay??

A volta perfeita e de Airton senna

@pedroemanuel3644

3 жыл бұрын

Isso memo cara falo tudo

@carclasicsudamerica1581

3 жыл бұрын

Cara nao existe um seim o outro sao lenda eses caras

Terrifying and thrilling

Race cars without some much electronics. Could today's drivers accelerate, shifts,and brake?

@gobgobcachoo

2 жыл бұрын

Don't be so daft. Of course they can.

@pianortd4800

2 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure that they can, but not as good as these guys, check out the video where lewis and nico rosberg drove fangio's mercedes, lewis struggled to shift gears in the proper way, meanwhile nico, as a vintage cars lover, was actually using the right technique

@thethirdman225

2 жыл бұрын

@@pianortd4800 How many times did you say he drove it?

@pianortd4800

2 жыл бұрын

@@thethirdman225 they drove those cars on the nurburgring nordscheilfe back in 2013 if i'm not wrong

@thethirdman225

2 жыл бұрын

@@pianortd4800 Yes but how many laps did he get to do in it. Also, I’d be pretty sure even the contemporary drivers would have found it difficult the only real way to find out would be to compare lap times and that simply can’t happen.

Man we need the glenn back

Mate this is scary..

F1 races in America lost money from the 80 on

I used to have this complete video, I can't find it anywhere...Help please!

@tem0079

4 жыл бұрын

So did i, i recorded it on VHS & now it's gone

@Fergy00000

2 жыл бұрын

I'm going to try and up load the complete video. Or a least break it down into laps like this one.

the effort those guys used to go through to keep the car on the track. Today's cars are faster but way more boring

@monzaonza7650

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah... also the camerawork was more visceral and made everything look faster haha

@danz356

3 жыл бұрын

Looked and handled like big gokarts, super era for the sport.

@TherealLorinser

3 жыл бұрын

Because back then they're focused on the innovation and how these drivers would finish the race with their car that are made from art, computer electronics back in the day drivers are literally working inside of the cockpit.

@seanriopel3132

3 жыл бұрын

@@danz356 go karts is right. Zero protection. Like they are riding on top of the car instead of protected by it. Look how lose and unprotected he is.

much better than that pos that COTA is imo.

They look faster than today's cars

@bgs.95

2 жыл бұрын

Really? If one saw a side-by-side of a modern F1 car turning a hot-lap at the Glen compared to this video, it'd be day-and-night.

murray saying it how it is

My guys breathin race fuel

nem passou o cara que ia na frente, essa é volta de Deus?

@TH3BIGGIE

Жыл бұрын

Pois é mais deixando esse fato de lado MÁXIMO RESPEITO POR ESSES PILOTOS ANTIGOS é nítida a dificuldade de guiar essas máquinas na aquela época realmente vê o esforço dos pilotos. Já hoje...

How about Senna at Donington?

What year this video?

@Fergy00000

Жыл бұрын

Pironi drove for Tyrrell from 78 to 79. My guess is 79.

*Didier

Not Dipier. It's Didier.

@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044

2 жыл бұрын

He said Depailler (who was driving the car in front of Pironi).

Mônaco senna

Ok

Give senna lauda etc 1 month in new cars in their prime not one current driver would not be lapped in a full race, i would bet my house on it. I have seen racers for 50 yrs, let the real greats get one month in seat, they would make todays drivers look like rookies. Most would crash out in 5 laps trying to keep them in sight.

That chicane is an abomination. Bus stop is so much better. It's actually fun to drive.

@thethirdman225

2 жыл бұрын

The chicane was installed after Cevert's fatal accident in 1973. It probably prevented a lot of others.

So what?

Pironi le traite chez Ferrari envers Gilles Villeneuve !

@Fergy00000

Жыл бұрын

Ferrari were leaning towards Gillies in 79?

let’s not talk about F1 going to the Glen, i’d prefer an iconic circuit not to be ruined by that horrible excuse of a ‘motorsport’

@brixomatic

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, just look what they did to Hockenheim to keep it on the calendar. I loved the races there until they crippled the track.

Back in the day when F1 actually was an elite sport and not a boring hobby for silly kids

Murray always talked too damn much

@ComputerWhiz_

3 жыл бұрын

Lies!

@gothfkr

3 жыл бұрын

@@ComputerWhiz_ I agree with him, he was chatty and exaggerated, but he deserves all respect

@markholroyde9412

3 жыл бұрын

Like a fkn nagging Budgie, famous for holding a fkn piece of wire and getting it wrong, loved it when James Hunt use to batter him about on the commentary.