KTM 390 Adventure: Coober ECU & De-Cat Header Kit Installation & Airbox Lid - MVDBR Enduro

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How to install the Coober ECU, wiring harness, de-cat header exhaust pipe, and upgraded air box lid on the KTM 390 Adventure. This is not a hard task for competent DIYers to complete, but you will need to set aside a couple of hours as some bits are a little fiddly and time consuming.
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00:00 - Intro
01:26 - Tools
02:28 - ECU & Harness
13:08 - Air Box Lid
14:12 - De-Cat Header
17:25 - Test Start
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Josh: 2020 Yamaha Tenere 700
Nat: 2020 KTM 390 Adventure
Cameras: GoPro Hero 10 Black | Canon G7X Mk II

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  • @MVDBR
    @MVDBR2 жыл бұрын

    FYI, from Coober: no oil at all [on the air box lid foam] only compressed air. Oil is going to dissolve the glue. Keep it dry and we recommend compressed air clean every 15,000km off-road and 20,000 for road usage.

  • @mrwill1969
    @mrwill19692 жыл бұрын

    Who doesn't love new motorbike bling , Nats face when she cranked it up 😮😮 Solid instructional video guys . Cheers 👍

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    😮

  • @bobdrakeford5731
    @bobdrakeford57312 жыл бұрын

    Excellent Tutorial! Well done to you Nat, and your right hand assistant as well! 🤣 You two make a great Team. The video was excellent as usual Josh!! Loved the music choice when the heading came up too! I look forward to the test run. 👍😁

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    Cheers Bob!

  • @ChiliBuRevolution
    @ChiliBuRevolution2 жыл бұрын

    Superlative install video guys 👍 Simple to follow with concise instructions that even a Muppet like me could follow, When you started it up Nat and your face lite up, that spoke volumes eh, also made me miss the sounds of Duc Duc Go as he rumbles and grumbles to life, Looking forward to the 'test' ride along eh, ☮️❤️🙏 you all take care and have a beauty day! 🙃

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    You got to fire it up for some wintertime loungeroom skids Bu

  • @tassieadventurerider4815
    @tassieadventurerider48152 жыл бұрын

    Good on ya Nat getting amongst the tech and the dirt on the bikes…. Well done…. Team effort 👌

  • @FULLPELTAdventures
    @FULLPELTAdventures2 жыл бұрын

    Great stuff installing the flux capacitor. We are all now hanging onto our sofa's for the test ride.

  • @CRFLAus
    @CRFLAus2 жыл бұрын

    Sounds feisty the little Kato! I hope those flood waters have subsided and the trails have dried out a bit for ya's!

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    Gonna find out tomorrow 😎🤙

  • @dougbach7105
    @dougbach7105 Жыл бұрын

    Just took my 2022 KTM 390 Adventure to a off road place called Durhamtown Georgia. Oh my Gosh, what a difference the ecu and decat makes. I also put hyperpro suspension on her too. Its like night and day, so fast and agile. Sounds like its supposed to also. It is so much fun to ride. I recommend this to anyone who has a ktm 390 adventure, it will change your off road experience to the next level.

  • @johnnyhayward69
    @johnnyhayward692 жыл бұрын

    Great vid guys can’t wait for the test run 👍👍

  • @user-he6ry7hi4n
    @user-he6ry7hi4n2 жыл бұрын

    Смотрел ваши видео, так понравился 390 а именно внешний вид и я купил его! Сейчас стоит в боксе так как у нас зима и много снега:) Вы классные! Привет из России! Подписался:)

  • @user-he6ry7hi4n

    @user-he6ry7hi4n

    2 жыл бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/X4SDlNBshszLebw.html

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    🙏 cheers. PS, wtf 😅

  • @brucekendall52
    @brucekendall522 жыл бұрын

    Good job.Look forward to your review of the installation.Thanks.

  • @jayzee2390
    @jayzee23902 жыл бұрын

    Smile Josh! 😁

  • @peterdawson7775
    @peterdawson77752 жыл бұрын

    That's going to make difference, can't wait to see Nat wheelie past the Yamaha!😎. Nice install.

  • @ManBikeSwag
    @ManBikeSwag2 жыл бұрын

    Looking forward to seeing what a difference it all makes!

  • @dougbach7105
    @dougbach7105 Жыл бұрын

    I just completed the ECU and de-cat kit with airbox lid. Wow what a difference! Thank you guys for all your video help.

  • @zzzsydneyhom1379
    @zzzsydneyhom13792 жыл бұрын

    You two make it look easier and more fun than it should be. I tend to loose lots of skin on the bike when I get the tools out...

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    There was a bit of angst that wasn't included in the video haha but no injuries on this occasion 😁

  • @HippoDrones
    @HippoDrones2 жыл бұрын

    Awesome step by step guide guys, well done! :-) They sound proper fruity with no baffles or cat.

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    Cheers Pete, bloody fruity alright 😅

  • @HippoDrones

    @HippoDrones

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@MVDBR If it were cake or pudding, I'd want some custard with it! :D

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@HippoDrones 😅

  • @GS2wheels
    @GS2wheels2 жыл бұрын

    Nice one guys, look forward to hearing feedback Nat 👍👍

  • @jeetujosey7761
    @jeetujosey7761 Жыл бұрын

    I have a KTM ADV 250. really enjoyed watching this insane level of upgrade . Keep po such amazing things. Lot's of love from India

  • @SuperDixxxie
    @SuperDixxxie2 жыл бұрын

    Great job guys, love it when you get new gear for the bikes and can't wait to see if its made a difference. Congrats on the new house... atb Dixie

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    Cheers Dix 😎

  • @davidcauchi2837
    @davidcauchi28372 жыл бұрын

    Hello Nat and Josh...a brilliant and informative video on installation, so well presented and an inspiration to others who may want to modify their bike. Thanks so much for sharing. Stay safe and Dry!!!! David ....Adelaide....Tiger 900GT & Street Scrambler.....

  • @Vet6970
    @Vet69702 жыл бұрын

    you two do a great job

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Bob 🤙

  • @soupysocksenduro
    @soupysocksenduro2 жыл бұрын

    so that is where my 10mm went! ahaha great job guys, looking & sounding good! Can't wait to see what you guys think of it for the long haul!

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    Keep ya hands off me Tehnmil Sockhet!

  • @skaragianis
    @skaragianis2 жыл бұрын

    Looking forward to the review about impact please!

  • @user-dz8zl9yh7g
    @user-dz8zl9yh7g2 жыл бұрын

    Приветствую!! Мой малыш на гарантии!! Интересно!! Возьму на заметку!! Наблюдал за Вами, с Улыбкой!!Привлекаете!!

  • @alexjohnson3696
    @alexjohnson36962 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this :-) look forward to the review. I de-catted mine then put them back on due to loss of low down grunt (plenty more up top though). I didn’t have the Coober though, so if yours shows bit improvement, I’ll definitely invest in one 👍

  • @fadetoblackMotorcycle

    @fadetoblackMotorcycle

    2 жыл бұрын

    I just removed the resonator, a good Exhaust, air filter, remap and you'll be more than fine!

  • @fenner-g6088
    @fenner-g60882 жыл бұрын

    14.00 in Nat looks like she's going into battle ... made me smile !

  • @alexgrigoreas4825
    @alexgrigoreas48252 жыл бұрын

    That was a "Uh oh, that's F'n loud!" look from Nat. Hahaha

  • @ianferrier235
    @ianferrier2352 жыл бұрын

    Good job Nat and Josh

  • @KaizerBillimoria
    @KaizerBillimoria2 ай бұрын

    13:58 Nat looking like she's carrying her Karana!!

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 ай бұрын

    😅😅

  • @wayneemms714
    @wayneemms7142 жыл бұрын

    Haha nice one nat.. that kit looks the goods you better make sure you hold on even tighter now✊

  • @jmo5359
    @jmo5359 Жыл бұрын

    Good job getting that installed and thank you for the video showing how it's done. Would think it have been easier if they just offered an ECU flash and skipped all the extra wires!

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah that would be easier for sure 👌

  • @gnarlybadger690
    @gnarlybadger6902 жыл бұрын

    Waiting in anticipation, thought Nat was gonna crack it open but I guess new neighbors and all that she'll be pushing it down the road before firing it off 🤣🤣🤣

  • @TrippyandDa
    @TrippyandDa2 жыл бұрын

    Excellent 👌🏻👌🏻 can’t wait to hear the results. I noticed the coolant level on the 390 was super low. I’ve experienced a big drop in coolant on a long hot day (yes we do get hot days occasionally in the UK) so just be careful 👍🏻

  • @390advmotochick7

    @390advmotochick7

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, Josh actually pointed that out to my while we were putting this together.

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for reminding me ✌

  • @Mtthwpez
    @Mtthwpez2 жыл бұрын

    Nat's facial expression at the end asking: 'Is this too loud?' 😂

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    Answer: yes 😅

  • @michaelbrowne541
    @michaelbrowne541 Жыл бұрын

    Another great install video.. I don't know if you have Murphy's law over there ..but in the States It's something that plagues me quite often...🤣 But you're installed gives me hope.. if the day ever comes that I change something.. And by the way.. I finally picked up a 2022 390 adventure gray & black ..About 3 weeks ago.. Here in Georgia🇺🇲..🤗 I haven't been on a bike in over 2 years so I'm taking it slow on getting the feel for the new bike.. So far it rides real nice👍 I think my 1st modification will be a top case & rack To make carrying stuff more convenient.. Happy riding🤗

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    Жыл бұрын

    Oh yeah, Murphy's Law follows me around constantly mate 😅 Congrats on the new bike 👌

  • @TheGravelBadger
    @TheGravelBadger2 жыл бұрын

    Nice!!!

  • @wuttmodel3232
    @wuttmodel32325 ай бұрын

    Good job❤❤❤❤❤

  • @KayzeeMoto
    @KayzeeMoto2 жыл бұрын

    Looking forward to seeing how it has changed the bike (not that I'll get one anytime soon unless someone wants to give one to me 😂)

  • @motogspot

    @motogspot

    2 жыл бұрын

    😂😂😂 me too!

  • @smitty16784
    @smitty167842 жыл бұрын

    hey love your channel but been dieting to see a vid of 390 upgrade, i wanna do it but what is worth it, power etc etc etc ….. you guys be blessed :)

  • @smitty16784
    @smitty167842 жыл бұрын

    dieing to hear how she runs :)

  • @KrazyKanucker
    @KrazyKanucker2 жыл бұрын

    Does anyone know what the advantages are and or disadvantages of the 2 coober ecu's. One has more connectors and I saw open loop vs closed loop but I'm not sure what the tells me. I just bought a 2021 duke 390 with same motor and will probably do the same but will keep the presilencer. Hopefully my neighbors don't want to choke me 😄 Love that Tenere too btw, such a great motor. -10c here in Canada right now but just 1 to 2 months to go. Thanks for sharing!

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    No idea about the differences Marc sorry mate, I would ask any questions through their contact page www.coober.eu/contact-coober Yeah the T7 is a lovely bike 👌 Cheers

  • @motogspot
    @motogspot2 жыл бұрын

    Great job, there’s certainly a fair bit involved with all that, might have to race you Nat, see the difference 😂😀🤘🏻

  • @390advmotochick7

    @390advmotochick7

    2 жыл бұрын

    Bring it on G 💪💪

  • @motogspot

    @motogspot

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@390advmotochick7 😂😂🏃🏼

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    Haha 390 drag race, might shift the earth's orbit 😬

  • @jomarmarquez2448
    @jomarmarquez24482 жыл бұрын

    Great video, please tell me what that chain you have, I like that gold.

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's an RHK chain, they're relatively cheap www.mxstore.com.au/p/RHK-520-120L-Gold-O-Ring-Heavy-Duty-Chain/RHK-520ORHD

  • @smitty16784
    @smitty167842 жыл бұрын

    After upgrade with the with the exhaust how is it going I'm dying love you guys Nice

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    We haven't done a proper video about it yet but Nat mentions it a few times in this one kzread.info/dash/bejne/oHaZltGRqZetqLg.html

  • @waynettarin
    @waynettarin2 жыл бұрын

    Hi @10:32 It looks the the TPSt sensor rubber boot is facing upwards when you cable tied it in. My thoughts is that it may fill up or hold water or moisture and could cause a problem in the future.

  • @390advmotochick7

    @390advmotochick7

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for that Wayne, will definitely take a look at that for sure.

  • @comfortablyunknown700
    @comfortablyunknown7002 жыл бұрын

    Good stuff. Maybe it will be a little wheelie monster now. Nat will be flying over falling trees. Dexter! NOOOOO😭😭...😉 A decent end. It better be over over though. One and done.

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ahaha yeah was gonna mention that we just watched it last night. Was a bit of a bummer, bit like the end of Breaking Bad but you're right it was the best way to leave it 👌

  • @yohanyonsson
    @yohanyonsson Жыл бұрын

    And that's WITH a db-killer in the slip-on.. :D

  • @dadge2500
    @dadge25002 жыл бұрын

    Being you ride in the woods you should have a spark arrester shouldn’t you ???? Nice vid. good job by the way!

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ideally yeah 👍 Cheers

  • @Chris_Z.
    @Chris_Z.2 жыл бұрын

    What was the weight diff between the two pipes? Are you worried about water ingress with the airbox lid mod.

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    Don't know but there wouldn't be much in it, and we'll have to wait and see with the water 🍻

  • @dougbach7105
    @dougbach7105 Жыл бұрын

    Hey guys, Will I need a mid-pipe to connect the coober decat header pipe to my exhaust on my stock 2022 ktm 390 adventure? It looks like I might but not sure. If I do what do you recommend? Thank you.

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    Жыл бұрын

    If you're leaving the stock resonator in the swing arm you won't need anything extra. How's that for a speedy reply 🤙

  • @dougbach7105

    @dougbach7105

    Жыл бұрын

    @@MVDBR Thanks for the speedy reply LOL that was fast! I am planning to take the stock resonator out unless you think it does not matter. I'm looking for high exhaust flow. Thanks for your input and ideas.

  • @toby7504
    @toby75042 жыл бұрын

    Looks like a nice setup, but they do not have it for triumph, so still has to go for power commander 🇳🇴🍻

  • @guystevens162
    @guystevens1622 жыл бұрын

    Nice job. Think maybe better with tank off too. But guess too much messing about. Am not sure what this kit would do to the KTM warranty also the MOT we have in UK. But as new bikes that's not till 3 years old. Can't wait for video of what it's like. 😏🙂

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yah we tried to avoid removing the tank 😁

  • @guystevens162

    @guystevens162

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@MVDBR yes I understand video may longer. Can't wait for video on how it is thanks. 🙂

  • @dougbach7105
    @dougbach7105 Жыл бұрын

    Just purchased the ECU De-Cat kit for my 2022 390 adventure. Thanks for the class on how to install it. You guys are awesome and I really enjoy your videos!!!!! Do you know of a way to put a stronger throttle spring on the throttle? Mine is too easy and its hard to maintain engine RPM from sitting to standing and going through trails. Thanks.

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    Жыл бұрын

    Sorry mate never heard of such a thing. Maybe stick a bit of mud between the handlebars and the throttle tube 😉👌 Cheers for the comment

  • @billadmond9450

    @billadmond9450

    Жыл бұрын

    You get NOTHING out of that kit other than your money out of your pocket. The kit is made in EU and so it's restricted to the stupid EUR5 regulations!

  • @dougbach7105

    @dougbach7105

    Жыл бұрын

    @@billadmond9450 My bike and my opinion and my money. Its a great little bike and even better with the upgrades. This awesome MVDBR team practices what they teach by showing us the before and after info. I really enjoy the videos! I recommend HyperPro Springs front and back, wow what a difference in the handling and load capacity.

  • @billadmond9450

    @billadmond9450

    Жыл бұрын

    @@dougbach7105 Your opinion and your money so don't post your $hit publicly!

  • @dougbach7105

    @dougbach7105

    Жыл бұрын

    @@billadmond9450 Your a ray of sunshine today. Try to be nice, I know you can do it.

  • @JJPsyc
    @JJPsyc Жыл бұрын

    Hey there, just curious if that Ergo Seat give a little more ease for flat-footing the bike? Thanks!

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    Жыл бұрын

    I think it's actually a little higher

  • @JJPsyc

    @JJPsyc

    Жыл бұрын

    @@MVDBR Thanks for the info.

  • @cyrankowski22
    @cyrankowski224 ай бұрын

    Hi could you please tell us what is the gain ? I would like to install akrapovic + decat coober + air filter + oil filter + full exhaust + coober ecu or powertronic. Does it give to the bike more power and the bike is more nervous ? Does it change really the bike? Thanks a lot

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    4 ай бұрын

    I think it gives more low down torque, these are the claimed dyno charts from Coober mvdbr.com/files/390-dyno1.jpg & mvdbr.com/files/390-dyno2.jpg

  • @cyrankowski22

    @cyrankowski22

    4 ай бұрын

    @@MVDBR hi thanks a lot and did you notice a Real change of the bike ?

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    4 ай бұрын

    @@cyrankowski22 it wasn't my bike and it's been a long time so I don't really remember, but I think it did help a bit. Not sure if it's enough to warrant the cost though 🤷🏻

  • @teamneveadventures9528
    @teamneveadventures95282 жыл бұрын

    Nice…. When’s the new house party

  • @Navillus2273
    @Navillus22732 жыл бұрын

    Great video! What rear tire is that??

  • @390advmotochick7

    @390advmotochick7

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's a Mitas CO2

  • @JustTex
    @JustTex2 жыл бұрын

    How did you not give a rev at the end.... haha Cheers.

  • @miketran4289

    @miketran4289

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's because it's probably a learning ecu , you need to let it learn the bike for 10mins after installation. Revving it would just ruin everything until you reset the ECU again.

  • @user-gt3xx6lc1o
    @user-gt3xx6lc1o3 ай бұрын

    Does the coober pipe tuck in better than stock one?

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    3 ай бұрын

    Can't remember sorry bro

  • @davidpearce859
    @davidpearce8592 жыл бұрын

    Hi Guys Where can I buy this kit. The Coober USA website won’t send to me so is there an Aust importer? Cheers

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    Coober will ship direct to Australia from Austria, go to their website www.coober.eu/category/ktm/adventure/390-series-adventure/ (I think shipping is about 70 euros for the full kit including the header pipe) 👍

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    PS not sure if there are any suppliers here in Oz

  • @davidpearce859

    @davidpearce859

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@MVDBR I note that the ECU offered with the kit on the Austrian website seems to be different to the ECU that you wired into your 390. What is the difference?

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    Not sure, old photos maybe... if you have any concerns I would contact them directly 👍

  • @user-bj5rb6xf2w
    @user-bj5rb6xf2w2 жыл бұрын

    Нахрен те ремонты) Как здоровье дядька? Еси все окей, это самое главное. Ждём грязевового хардкорового офроуда аххаахах))

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    We're waiting for it to dry up 😅

  • @Alfuckett
    @Alfuckett2 жыл бұрын

    What a top bird,, all my sheila does is give me grief the minute I get my deliverys, think she has to go 👍

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    😅 definitely gotta go

  • @Alfuckett

    @Alfuckett

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@MVDBR I hear that 👍

  • @thisisme7587
    @thisisme75872 жыл бұрын

    No gloves! Nice. How nature intended. #glovesareforlosers . Hope it makes a difference. My old scram got the meerkat decat and it breathed and revved freerer with a higher rev limit. 👍

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ain't nothing quite like a meerkat decat 😎 welcome back Forbesy 😘

  • @themarvelousvintage76
    @themarvelousvintage76 Жыл бұрын

    It's like a power commander?onesty I don't trust to much of this piggyback unit if they failed the bike won't start I prefer reflash ECU.......

  • @Corey-pd3mi
    @Corey-pd3mi Жыл бұрын

    How is it you’re allowed to remove a catalytic converter, isn’t that illegal, they are there for a reason 🤷‍♂️

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    Жыл бұрын

    Not really just to keep the greenies happy.

  • @Corey-pd3mi

    @Corey-pd3mi

    Жыл бұрын

    @@MVDBR 🤦‍♂️ hmm, ok

  • @billadmond9450

    @billadmond9450

    Жыл бұрын

    @Corey The purpose of the EURO regulations is to reduce the emissions and the noise and these sick rules are not recognized outside of the EU. Add also that the bike is LAMS "restricted" in Australia so any modification you make and you get in trouble with bogan police plus you can't sell the bike unless you revert it back to the original state. Read Coober's disclaimer before making any foul decision.

  • @billadmond9450
    @billadmond9450 Жыл бұрын

    I appreciate the effort in making this video BUT the entire kit comes from the EU which means that: "The ECU was developed to operate in EUR5 conditions". It's a whole load of BS and wasted money firstly because the EUR is NOT recognized in Australia, US, UK and other countries and secondly the EUR5's conception is to "restrict" the engine performances! Don't waste money and time on this stuff coming from the EU!

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    Жыл бұрын

    Appreciate your opinion but the dyno results don't lie 🤷‍♂️

  • @billadmond9450

    @billadmond9450

    Жыл бұрын

    @@MVDBR Mate I didn't express an "opinion" but facts, the EURO5 restrictions are a fact not an opinion! "The ECU was developed to operate in EUR5 conditions"!!!

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    Жыл бұрын

    @@billadmond9450 still makes the bike run better than stock 🤙

  • @billadmond9450

    @billadmond9450

    Жыл бұрын

    @@MVDBR Define better for €600 plus delivery LOL

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    Жыл бұрын

    @@billadmond9450 if you don't want it don't get it. Personally I wouldn't even buy a 390 but that's just me 😎

  • @dragonsupersayan
    @dragonsupersayan Жыл бұрын

    she loves him

  • @MVDBR

    @MVDBR

    Жыл бұрын

    She might have, back then. Although now I'm not so sure.

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