I switched out to the red spring after riding my 300 for 15 years. I should have done it sooner. I was used to 2T mx bikes and the red spring gives it the same kind of snap. It's easier for me to ride, I can stay much of the time in 3rd in the woods I ride - the transition from lugging to power is quick and that's perfect for me. PS I'm 65

Kyle, thank you for taking the time to explain the characteristics of the springs. After reading the manual, I just expected the red spring to be the most erratic. But how you explained it, I now think it’s the spring I could benefit from the most.

Very good informative video, love your Channel. I also love your shelves with rear tires. I'm making some this week, also going to drill holes throughout the bottom bead and put small S hooks on so I can hang wrenches from. Very cool. 3rd gear pinned forever.✊

Yep in 250s red spring pre load backed out to flush. Along with thin base gaskets and high compression head and the exhaust flange welded and relived inside of course. Makes for a smooth strong power delivery.

2012 TE 300, yellow spring, adjuster flush with case. 2013 250 XC-W, yellow spring, adjuster flush with case. Both run very well for Colorado Mountains and technical stuff.

It's funny you'd post this today. I was watching your video from a few years ago on this last night. I'm pretty sure I'm going with the devil spring dialed back a bit.

Thanks for the video. It pays to check the adjustment on a new bike, even though they come with the yellow spring. My new '18 300XC came with the Power Valve adjusting screw turned all the way in. Did not know that and took it for a spin around the neighborhood and was like WTF, this thing has no snap! Then I checked it, wound it out 6 turns (8 turns total from all the way in to all the way out) and it was much better. I generally run the power valve at 2 turns in from fully out. I also usually run the red spring on my 300s too as I live in Denver and ride at elevation. Also ran a Gnarly pipe too on my '13 TE 300. It was a little aggressive, even here in thin air land! I like it. Going with the yellow spring on the new bike to start as I am running an S3 head and Lectron on it, which will enhance the off idle snap, and looking to rev the far smoother counterbalanced bike more. I set my '13 up to be a bottom end beast to avoid having to rev it as much as possible, as it numbed my hands. Running the red spring, Lectron and the S3 head on the new bike might be a little much - baby steps, starting with the stock yellow one - LOL

I’ve had 2 300’s, a 2004 MXC and currently 2013 XCW. I messed with spring and adjustment on both quite a bit. What I found with both was the factory setting is really best. Green spring is nice if you never get in the power band much, but when it does finally hit it’s always a surprise. I ran red for a couple of years (I typically ride hilly single track with some fast open sections) and found that traction suffered since it was a little harder to stay out of the big power down low. Yellow with a couple turns in let’s me stay out of the big power when I want to without the big hit when it does come in. I know right when it’s coming on though so it’s very useable.

@hansschweikert9153

Жыл бұрын

Excellent explanation. Most of my riding is hilly single track, so the low end tractible torque is paramount, with a few open blasts now and again. Yellow spring for me?

Green spring my fave for woods and gnarley single track riding (300 xc). All the power is still there when you want it, the tamer delivery keeps the bike from trying to shoot out from underneath you when you’re popping over the gnarly stuff!

@joshuavan984

5 жыл бұрын

nice, I'm going from the yellow to the green for tight woods. does tightening or loosening the power valve nut give you a smoother ride? I have mine flush for now.

@t_orcutt4621

5 жыл бұрын

joshua van, yes you can fine tune more by turning the adjuster. I just changed the spring and found that was enough for me, though.

@jwatkins5308

3 жыл бұрын

Agree ,even the green one almost gets away from me sometimes lol ,like wheeling over ruts standing up give her a little juice to pick the front end up and she's almost walked out from under me a few times lol scary..as in the demon spring for trails that's just stupid 😜 bike has plenty of power could imagine trying to manage that red spring standing up whhew what a work out

So I'm never removing the red spring, Exactly what I felt the 300 should feel from the jump!

Thank you. I have all 3 but tryin to figure out whichever does what from the manual did my head in. I was changing springs but never touching the power valve nut to give it quicker or less powerband. I run supermoto so this will make a difference. Thank you

It would be cool to see a bike on the dyno with all three springs installed

My 2013 ktm 300 got it with red spring it was turned all the way in and was just scary just touched the throttle and the valve opened have green spring and is smooth

I've got a 2018 husky tx300 it came with the stock yellow spring and the worst jetting I've ever experienced. After finally getting the jetting dialed in I've put the Green Spring in from the yellow and it made a world of difference. I like tight technical Terrain

@WillyD1

5 жыл бұрын

Are you at sea level what’s your jetting I have an 18 300 xc and I can’t figure the jetting out I get it good everywhere but down low I adjusted float bowl tried all jets different clips just can’t get it ?

I was able to save up to buy a 2002 KTM 300 exc. (even though it's old it's an upgrade from the 2006 KTM 125 sx I was on) and I can't wait to be able to ride it. Unfortunately bought it a week before moving to college so I haven't had the chance to ride it yet but I'm sure I'll have to adjust the aux spring as I'm getting used to the power the 300 has to offer

I only run the yellow spring at the moment because i like how it opens compared to the red spring the way i ride

Thanks for the early upload.

Thanks, didn't know about that

Hi Kyle, love the vids and can’t wait for some 300 tpi videos and reviews. With the power valve I done some research and chatted with Chris Birch in depth and this is what I have found out... all 3 springs open up at about 5650 rpm but the differences are at what rpm the power valve is full open. The green Spring starts to open at 5650 and is fully open at 8100 and the red spring opens at 5650 starts and is fully open at 7300. Yellow spring somewhere in the middle. What does this mean? Essentially the red spring is fully open the quickest giving you that “snap” or “hit” harder where the green spring makes the power valve open more slowly and therefore less “hit”. For riding...guys that ride the track and open country probably will prefer the yellow and red spring and guys the ride the slow, gnarly technical stuff will be better off with the green spring (less hit, less wheel spin, more traction). Like Birchy said if you want the hit and you are running the green spring it’s just a stab of the clutch to get the rpms up and the power valve is fully open. I think one of your other viewers commented that Jarvis runs the green spring and I wouldn’t be surprised. Birch says all the top guys will run the green spring and screw turned in! All true but now tpi bikes so not an issue. Ps. Chris did play with the springs on his 250 tpi, ran like crap and put back to stock! Enjoy the vids! Cheers!

@memmo7732

5 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with what you said, top riders prefers the green one and in case they need just clutch it, good comment.

@memmo7732

5 жыл бұрын

Maverick224 good point, and yes i passed from 300 to 250 and i use the stock spring on the 250. Technical riding is all about traction and control, that's why the green spring on the "300" as we said.

@DirtBikeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Maverick224 I prefer the Red spring on both the 250 and 300.

@shawnjohnston9054

5 жыл бұрын

Dirt Bike Channel ya if I was riding in your type of terrain I would likely swap out to a yellow or red spring. I am lucky to hit 3rd gear for a lot of the riding I do. All comes down to terrain you typically ride and personal preference on how each rider likes to set up their own bike👍. Keep up the good work!

@SkinnySkinch

5 жыл бұрын

+Shawn Johnston 100% accurate. Most top enduro/scramble guys run the green spring bc traction is king, not necessarily the smile on your face for joy riding on the trails. If you have some nice wide open trails of course the Red spring is fun bc it goes from nothing to OH SHIT way faster. Not sure why Kyle said the red spring gives a more linear power as that doesn't make sense if you look at the RPM ranges as to where the power valve is fully open. Green spring is the most linear power, yellow next and red last. as far as FUN FACTOR for joy riding RED SPRING ALL DAY!!! really slippery wet/slow/rocky/rooty etc conditions green spring works best. Of course we all have our own opinions nd thats all they are. Everyone has different feel as well. I think my 300 TPI has way LESS hit than my 2018 Husky TX300. My buddy and I switched bikes for a couple hours and I rode the husky and I felt the TX300 with lectron carb had WAY MORE hit than the TPI but my buddy felt the exact opposite. I couldn't believe he kept saying the TX was smoother and less hit, but he truly felt it was. To each his own. We all like different things and feel things in a different way.

I've got to look into what spring is in my '08 300xc. The bike is out of control powerful for me. I had an '01 300Exc that was a pure pleasure to ride, with awesome power, but my '08 is just uncontrollable right now. Easily the most powerful bike I've ever ridden. I'm tired of replacing rear fenders. lol.

@hansschweikert9153

Жыл бұрын

Good one!

I think your explanation is not correct Kyle :) The AUX spring controls how fast the PV opens not when it starts to open. The Pre-load spring controls on when (which RPM) the PV starts to open.

@yleld8253

5 жыл бұрын

Nir Hason this sounds like a very accurate explanation. im glad i read this :)

@johnnybeacon4403

4 жыл бұрын

it acutally changes both the speed and rpm at which the opening occurs i believe.

@prdoohan

4 жыл бұрын

This sounds like what I remember reading several years ago in the ktm tuning guide

@samuelyeet6006

3 жыл бұрын

The manual literally says the diffirent color springs (aux springs) open the valve at diffirent RPM

@NirHason

3 жыл бұрын

@@samuelyeet6006 Under which appendix in the KTM manual?

I run the green spring in my 17 TE 300, more linear power band and I’ve found it’s better for nearly every situation.

Hi mate, I’m new to the dirt bikes . My boy has a 2020 husqy 85 BW. The spring, what does it do ? Increase speed?? By winding it out? Thanks Great vid

red spring for sure just feels good

Hi Kyle quick question well if i wanted to improve my power valve on my 2018 250 tip how would i go around it if KTM doesn't want you to mess around with it? P.s love your videos so helpful alot of stuff keep the good work 🤙

@HobbitHomes263

4 жыл бұрын

The mapping in the controller depends on consistent and pre-known values to operate properly. When to change the power valve the controller is going to make changes to fuel mixture etc based on what the data SAYS is happening which will not be what is REALLY happening. To run effectively with a different power valve setup, you would need different mapping. One of the you can do is experiment with flywheel weight. WIth added flywheel weight the engine will spool up more slowly to higher RPM but have smoother more tractor like qualities at low RPM. On my carbuereted bike I like the red spring with an 11 oz flywheel weight. I get that "instant on" power hit but the extra weight smooths out the transistions and the timing of the rpm rise.

What cc and brand whould u guys recomend for me never driven a dirt bike but a can drive tracktor car moped and so on.. maybe yz 85? Or 125?

should my 2009 250sx red spring fit on a 2016 250sx or shouldnt risk that?

Does KTM 65 have different springs? I know that the power valve is on top on the cylinder.

Does the red spring give more of a lower end power? I want it to be touchy at low rpm’s. And if I have the stock yellow spring, would turn it clock wise increase low bottom torque ?

Hmmmmmmm ... 1. There are two springs. The outer spring controls when the PV opens (at what RPM). This is controlled by the screw. The inner (coloured) spring controls how fast the PV opens when it does and is adjustable by spring type (colour/weight). A faster (lighter) inner coloured spring (red) will allow the PV to open more quickly and perhaps deliver a noticeable "jolt" whereas a stronger spring will make it slower and more linear. Power is the same, speed in which the power is delivered, differs. You also have a throttle that does that. 2. KTM tune the PV to 'begin' opening at a certain RPM - this is based on the harmonics of the exhaust expansion chamber as well as it's length, curves, back pressure and all sorts of other factors costing $-millions to develop. I seem to remember around 6K-rpm as being the number. Ask yourself - do you know more than KTM about fluid dynamics? If not, leave it at factory specs. If you're changing the breathing of the bike (intake/exh), maybe a PV tweak on a dyno. might find you something - maybe? 3. For trail riding, changing your PV settings (screw) won't make you faster - it'll probably depower the bike somewhere in the RPM range as it's now not to factory optimum specs. Any gains you get top-end may be felt at the bottom - power can be transferred but not created on a bike (or indeed, in physics). 4. Expert riders (not you or me because we're watching this) may set-up the bike differently depending on the specifics of the race/terrain. MX/SX/Enduro/SM may differ depending on the track. Open desert guys may need all top-end and little down low and technical guys may keep the PV closed longer to gain more low-end tq - whatever. Similarly, expert riders may like the feeling of a different speed spring - fair enough. If you're losing a podium by 1 second, sure, have your team look into it. The moral - honestly, like most of this stuff, leave it alone and/or make sure it's to factory specs - spend your time on the bike and your money on riding lessons from pros. Peace!

@samuelyeet6006

3 жыл бұрын

Why does the manual list diffirent RPM for the diffirent colored springs then?

@jannep6772

2 жыл бұрын

@@samuelyeet6006 In my opinion there are two types of riders. Those who are very afraid of touching to anything and leave everything like factory has put them. Or riders like me who want to experience and test things. Why these bikes are then supplied with those different power valve springs if they are not meant to be used? =). For me for example my Husky TC 250 2018 red power valve spring and adjustment screw flush is the nice setting for a wild motor. It has also a modified airbox, modified Mikuni TMX 38 carburetor, Boesen Rad Valve, cylinder transfer ports are made even better (not ported, no changes to port times, only minor changes), Wiseco 1-ring forged piston, -0.4 mm cut head, FMF Fatty exhaust pipe and Pro Circuit R304 shorty silencer. 13-48 gearing. VERY fast bike now! 😎👍Never ever green springs for my bikes...

Question I got a 1997 ktm 300 exc and I’m wondering if I can put this red spring in my bike or not if I can where can I get one can someone give me a link

All is good with curbs, but what about TPI? Springs do not comes in stock, but preload adjustment is availible. Is it dependes on power? Or it is incorrect to adjust power valve on TPI bikes because need to change electronic setting? No official info about it in a web unfortunatly

awesome ktm we shall see you on the side of the trail. red spring green spring lay it over linear will be the trail y ur ktm s broken

@adaptordieai

5 жыл бұрын

tired of this bologna

The red spring is viagra for my motor

@LizardHunter777

4 жыл бұрын

I prefer no spring so the power valve is always open

@firemenonbikes

4 жыл бұрын

@@LizardHunter777 would that not kill low end?

@anthonydoyon976

4 жыл бұрын

@@firemenonbikes hes joking dumbass

@scoremxcom

3 жыл бұрын

They now have a liquid Viagra. Now you can pour yourself a stiff one.

@jwatkins5308

3 жыл бұрын

@@anthonydoyon976 lol 😆gold

Ni i hace ktm 300 2013 i do hard enduro what spring do you recommend I am having problems with the traction dose have a good traction as the 4 stroke thanks

Could never get my te300 running how I wanted. Red spring in, wind out the preload a bit and it was a new bike

You could have explained what the power valve actually does, increase air flow to the cylinder? When it opens what flows through and where does it go? Why is it even needed? Is it adjustable port timing?

@enduro-parts-aus

5 жыл бұрын

when it opens it opens ports in the cylinder which draw excess fuel and air back into the cylinder

@wildnfree223

Жыл бұрын

The guy before is incorrect...... Power valve sits within the exhaust port, low rpm the valve reduces the ports size shape and flow allowing smooth low end torque, now when rpm increases the power valve is actuated opening up the port allowing more exhaust to flow out (and proportionally more fuel and air in ) and thus more power !! Now watch the video on how much variation and at what RPM does this change occur via the spring and preload on the spring

Can you do this with a lectron carb? I have a ktm 380.

I Bought a 07 ktm250xc this week and did not know this I'm about to set that baby on kill when my new v force 4s come in and let it eat. Would you happen to know if the v force 4 requires a gasket?

Id like to know if I can adjust or change the springs in a KTM 300 exc tpi 2019 I ride my mike at 2600 metters above sea level and I feel in low rpm it doesnt have enough power/potency. Can I change the mapping? Thanks in advance

@SpectrumSpectacle

3 жыл бұрын

I know nothing about that bike, but I saw a video saying that every time the bike is started it automatically adjusts to altitude and temp etc. Try shutting it off and starting it when it feels low on power.

Can I adjust my power valve on my 2015 ktm sx85

Do 2016 ktm 125s have power valves? If so how do you adjust?

Kyle, what does it mean when the powervalve opens up? More power, less power. What is it that is happening when the powervalve opens?

@TheBarnz91

3 жыл бұрын

It’s a fine balance for enduro, at slow speed you want controllable power for traction, that is achieved by keeping the power valve closed which retains back pressure equaling powers. As soon as you are on the gas and need more power, that’s when the power valve opens to let the exhaust gases escape quicker increasing power, hence why you get a surge of power on other two stroke bikes, you typically don’t get that sure on these bikes as they are designed and tuned in a way that the power is always there’s throughout the Rev range! It all depends on what your riding and how good a rider you are!,,

Are the 2015 ktm sxf 250 good dirt bikes?

Okay I got a question for you get a CR500 does not have a power valve in it. My main picture is my race car we run CR250 Motors in those fully alcohol blown I have a 76.68 motor in it from d b y and our power valves are fixed wide open. I just recently put my 74 Billet crank in my 2001 CR250. And I set my squash at .050 Stock is .065 Now this bike right now is 256 cc. The bike sounds way different the bike has so much low-end. I got on the same bike is bike felt like a 125 to me. So why can't we take the power valves out of these 250?

@250race

5 жыл бұрын

I also have a 2007 40 mm Mikuni on it with a tapered needle And a crf450 MEB coil on it. It may have more power than a 450 You can lugg it down the power recovers immediately if not sooner

So the red spring is more explosive like it deliver power faster ? I have the 2018 xcw

@djp6785

5 жыл бұрын

Yes

maybe this contributes to the content: Auxiliary springs: red 1.1mm wire, 54837072000 blue 1.2mm wire, 54637072500 yellow 1.3mm wire, 54637072300 green 1.5mm wire, 54837072100 (9 coils)

I might add that each spring changes the power valve opening by 200 RPM.

@crazybob1954mo

5 жыл бұрын

Nope , Closer to 500 rpm. BUT, it also depends on the pre-load adjustment as well...

Can you tell me why ktm does not want us to change the spring on the tpi bikes?

@samuelyeet6006

3 жыл бұрын

Emissions

Does this apply to Yamaha‘s as well

So if you ride mostly single track tight , oe te hnical climbs what should i do?

@motonut4503

5 жыл бұрын

Green or yellow,

@motonut4503

5 жыл бұрын

Traction more important for hard enduro and slow speed hillclimbs

Red is for race

Anyone wanna recommend their favourite 250 4 strokes? Im finally saving up to upgrade after spending the past 6 and a half years on my klx110L. Had that thing since i was 10!

@sinistervulcan

5 жыл бұрын

They are very similar, as far as the big 4 Japanese brands go. I personally lean Yamaha.

@thicjim7812

5 жыл бұрын

Yamaha, Honda, and Kawi are good options. Stay away from suzuki.

@Scottstunts

5 жыл бұрын

Buy a two stroke. They are cheaper to maintain

@jr6874

5 жыл бұрын

Yamaha WR 250

@brettcrochiere9537

5 жыл бұрын

Quite the clear answers here...haha. I recommend throwing your leg over at least a couple if you can and seeing how you like them. If you don’t know anyone with any, maybe check out a local riding club or race series and you’re guaranteed to find someone with one, and maybe even lucky enough to get some seat time!

Hey Kyle, Why do you have yard and garden insect killer in your KTM workshop! Boo Boo

I think KTM doesn't want us messing with the springs/power valve on TPI bikes due to EPA emission standards.

@samuelyeet6006

3 жыл бұрын

Slavens agrees with you. They put it right on their website

Can you run a red spring on a 300 EXC TPI?

@danhopkinson2811

2 жыл бұрын

just trying to figure this out. i've got a 2019 250tpi and it just doesn't have the power i'd hoped for. i bought it 2nd hand and didn't get the owners manual and little bits that come with it, so i bought a zipped folder and manual for a 2018 250 tpi as its all i could find online. it turned up and inside the folder was the fuel line blanks for washing the bike with the tank removed and the red, yellow and green power valve springs. i'm trying to find out if they come with the springs as new. it wouldn't make sense to say don't touch the spring, and then supply them with the bike

Believe it or not but Graham uses the green one.

@DirtBikeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

When I rode with Graham I asked him about how he runs his bikes. He runs them nearly bone stock. Yellow spring in the TE300 he was riding that day and every day. He's changing bikes so much that he wants them all to feel the same. Straight from his mouth... He didn't even want the people supplying the bike to him for the few days to even jet the bike for altitude, that is because he wanted it running "fat" for traction. He said put EVERYTHING back to stock form, but put the tires I want on there.

@memmo7732

5 жыл бұрын

Dirt Bike Channel yeah when he travel he prefer stock bikes, i am talking during the serious races, factory bikes, with all those little secrets.

@01plumberman

5 жыл бұрын

Dirt Bike Channel I've always said to my riding pals, "leave it stock and just ride it"! Nice to know that the legend that is Jarvis has the same ethos as myself 😏

Red spring = motocross bike Green spring= enduro bike Yellow spring = in the middle

@shawnjohnston9054

5 жыл бұрын

LCP1988 that’s what I said in about 300 words! 😂. KISS principle! I like it👌

@wadoktm5316

5 жыл бұрын

This is not correct.The longer the pv is closed the harder the hit when the powerband comes on.

@Freaki91

4 жыл бұрын

@@wadoktm5316 exactly you are right. LCP1988 you are totally wrong...

Hey Kyle just wondering how hard of a get off it takes for you to retire a helmet

@tylorarcher8439

4 жыл бұрын

Devin Smith good rule of thumb is if you hit your head hard enough to give you a head ache it’s time for a new one

Switched back to red, there's a reason they color it "yellow".

@jackieenx7085

3 жыл бұрын

Red... Same color as an ambulance

So strange that you only have one bike in the shop...LOL

I put my red spring in and holy shit

@kenwolfe5697

6 ай бұрын

😂

what would happen with no spring lol?

@TonyRidesDirtbikes

4 жыл бұрын

I believe it's more aggressive than the red spring.

@lucascory2489

3 жыл бұрын

I run my 14’ beta 250rr without the secondary spring and it has phenomenal power. I can stand it up almost right off idle in 4th and 5th gear. Not too crazy, but smooth and powerful

@lucascory2489

3 жыл бұрын

Most bottom end power I have ever felt from a 250 2 stroke. I do have a high compression head and it’s ported and polished though.

Ive got problems with less power in 05 kx85 compared to animal old bike 99 kx80, also 6th gear powerband dont hit is there one of these springs on kx85 also or just ktms?

Good to know

No need to lay the bike on its side to change pv aux spring

@enduro-parts-aus

5 жыл бұрын

oil comes out if you dont lay it over

@MrJasonfromcanada

5 жыл бұрын

Micheal Rex maybe a small drip. Maybe

Your explanation of what the springs do is not accurate. The main spring controls when the pv opens, the aux springs limit how quickly the pv becomes fully open.

@pbninja11

5 жыл бұрын

Kyle Brown what he said is correct, it’s stated exactly the way he stated it in the Manuel

@biscuit3755

5 жыл бұрын

@@pbninja11 What page? Look at how its assembled. The colored springs sit inside a longer main spring. The colored spring doesnt even come into play until the main spring is compressed.

@pbninja11

5 жыл бұрын

@@biscuit3755 hes not even talking about the main spring here hes talking about the 3 colored springs and what hes saying is accurate about them. I'm pretty sure Kyle knows his shit

@Wide000

5 жыл бұрын

Shawn Jonhston comment below explains it clearly.

@crazybob1954mo

5 жыл бұрын

@@biscuit3755 The colored spring sits on the preload adjustment screw, and the colored spring does impact the initial opening, depending on how the preload adjustment is set up...

Jarvis runs the green spring

@MrJasonfromcanada

5 жыл бұрын

Scott Aubel I do too, I find it works really well on technical trails

Valves?

No love for us TPI guys

the pv opens at the same rpm regardless of what spring you use!

@carlatamanczyk3891

5 жыл бұрын

Not according to the manual.

@samuelyeet6006

3 жыл бұрын

Wrong lol

👏👍👌🇳🇴

FFS, get your facts right before you post this shit... green, yellow and red springs change the rpm at which the power valve is “fully” open red=lower, yellow=stock, green=higher. these are a fixed rpm, you can’t adjust them. the preload spring adjusts what rpm the power valve “starts” to open. this IS adjustable, 1 full turn in or out adjusts the “start” rpm by 150, clockwise=higher or anti-clockwise=lower.

@TheHuckHD

5 жыл бұрын

why you so angry... what he said gives you the same idea .... turn it loose for power and tight for lil bitch bike

Honestly I feel like Kyle is just giving me the finger because I can't justify an orange bike. I'm riding a '03 crf 230 and I feel like he's saying "Ktm and husky are the only good manufacturers." I've heard him constantly talk down to the Japanese bikes and it just feels like he's discounting my riding because he can get sent 2019 $7000 bikes and I ride some pile of shit in his eyes.

@WillyD1

5 жыл бұрын

Bomb Qui crf 230 bullet proof great bike

@jwatkins5308

3 жыл бұрын

Lol don't be a puss and save your money yah cheap ass ,euro bikes are better 🤣 you don't have to spend 8 gs on one I've had tons of 500$ huskys and their is a shit ton of used ktms for under 3 gs