So what do you think happened to her?

@derivesrurale

11 ай бұрын

i bet she honestly wanted to get off drugs, and was, but in her old stuff in that appartment there was still some... and instead of throwing it away she decided to have one last fix and since she was clean for a little while the dose was too much and she died.

@disgruntleddude6105

11 ай бұрын

I believe that Eric killed both Kristen and Kurt, for Courtney.

@SPAMDAGGER22

11 ай бұрын

@@derivesrurale Exactly what I was thinking. Accidental overdose.

@KristineS73

11 ай бұрын

I think Eric probably brought some over with him and that's what he regrets. That he gave some to her and now she's dead. Such a tragedy that shouldn't have happened 😢

@FuglyStick

11 ай бұрын

She died when she relapsed. People become more adamant about staying clean as the temptation grows, not when the temptation subsides. But stupid people like to believe stupid things rather than the most likely things.

Kristen was a few years younger than me. We went to Boston College together. My roommate dated her for a while. I was a bartender at SPIT and she’d hang out and we’d talk music. A lovely, quiet young woman as I remember. It wasn’t until the late 90s that I made the connection - gone too soon. RIP Kristen.

@ghost_to_a_ghost

10 ай бұрын

so sad to hear that. thank you for sharing, though.

@MrX-wd8cm

10 ай бұрын

She looks jewish

@mariacarrasco4531

8 ай бұрын

RlP

@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017

8 ай бұрын

She fell into the spider's web that is Courtney Love

@Tralfaz666

6 ай бұрын

I didn't know she went to BC

Kristen's death was underreported due to the OJ Simpson Bronco chase. Her dad Norm flew to Seattle and took her body back to Buffalo for the funeral on Jun 21. Days later, the U-Haul arrived at her mom's doorstep. Janet said unloading her belongings was terribly heartbreaking.

@scottcharney1091

11 ай бұрын

I can't even imagine.

@lorisnyder8224

11 ай бұрын

Janet Pfaff sent a guy with her daughter to Seattle to get her belongings.She didn't want anyone near Kristen. Paul saw Eric go in the building & left her alone with him?

@sexobscura

11 ай бұрын

@@scottcharney1091 just try

@luvyou-rn1uq

10 ай бұрын

definitely true i remember oj on the news driving the van and all after i didnt know a thing about this girl I remember hole

@SacredDreamer

10 ай бұрын

😞

Eric Erlandson; "I want to help people avoid making the mistakes I made." Also Eric Erlandson: "I did some dumb stuff" That clears things up Eric thanks.

@lorisnyder8224

11 ай бұрын

and people died because of it." Eric said that.

@joesmith9216

11 ай бұрын

he admitted people ''died'', his words

@buddingvenus8487

11 ай бұрын

Yep. He was one of the last people to see Kristen alive. He gave her the “present” from Courtney.

@user-cv8qe9ru8c

11 ай бұрын

Ppl died. How isn't that looked into

@buddingvenus8487

11 ай бұрын

@@user-cv8qe9ru8c cause cops don’t care if they are labeled a junkie.

Kristen was special. She has many many fans that have never forgotten her. Thanks for shining a little light for those that didn't know about her.

Many people have a family doctor -Courtney Love has a family coroner.

@maryshelley3204

10 ай бұрын

😅 even dr Nicky hartshorn is long gone. She actually called him on record her ‘rock n roll md’. Wonder if she had any other cute names for him.

@sweptinblack

10 ай бұрын

I never understood her being friends with an older coroner. What normal person does that. Weird.

@morticiaheisenberg9679

10 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@lorisnyder8224

10 ай бұрын

@@maryshelley3204 'My punk rock coroner' He promoted her 1st husband's punk band . That's how they met. Interesting jump in jobs.

@targuscinco

10 ай бұрын

In her defense, you need to havehone on retainer when you murder as many people as she does. It really stream lines the process.

In case anyone is ever in the Buffalo area and want to pay their respects, there is a beautiful big monument dedicated to her by where she is buried. Very nice cemetery.

@mikelachey824

8 ай бұрын

Forest Lawn Cemetary. I walk there a lot. Ot is a very popular spot for birders, joggers. Rick James is buied there, we have a president.

Wow. I’m glad someone actually did a story on this. Blessings

Yeah, people relapse, but when you add all the pieces together, you gotta admit that the entire situation looks suspicious and you realize that had she never returned to Seattle she would probably very well still be alive.

@gregoryporch8395

10 ай бұрын

The first time I read her story I felt the exact same way. She should've just stayed out of Seattle.

@klimtklavier

10 ай бұрын

Heroin heroin heroin. Sorry but junk's hard to kick, especially when everybody you know is doing it.

@klimtklavier

10 ай бұрын

Because Buffalo has no drug scene ??? LMAO, I'm Rick James' ghost, bitch...

@MermaidMusings7

11 күн бұрын

She relapsed.

Courtney's been a recluse for about 20 years now. Not by choice, people just got tired of being killed around her.

@johnnysays9629

11 ай бұрын

Its unreal the amount of death in her wake.

@Saint_nobody

11 ай бұрын

Right. Then explain the Clintons.

@sendthis9480

11 ай бұрын

“How is it, that on this exact day…Courtney Love looks worse than her husband”?

@JB-js4xi

11 ай бұрын

She is indeed a black Hole of death

@presmasterflash7555

11 ай бұрын

@@Saint_nobodya (real) pic of Hilary and Courtney together would be EPIC

She was more beautiful, more talented, and more interesting than Courtney Love. Just wanted to put that out there...

@LoveAndPeace5D

10 ай бұрын

Absolutely

Everyone dying around Courtney during that time is completely disturbing. I don't for one second believe she knew nothing about all of it.

@frankelder1158

10 ай бұрын

Lots of people were dying on the Seattle scene at that time. Drug deaths, murders, accidents. Did Courtney arrange them all too?

@RIVALContentJammerz

10 ай бұрын

Courtney Love's Hole.

@enns5366

9 ай бұрын

@@frankelder1158 no but it's funny all the people that decided they didn't need her anymore and we're gonna be successful on their own suddenly ended up dead. This girl wasn't using anymore

@frankelder1158

9 ай бұрын

@@enns5366 That's a really simplistic way of looking at it. Kurt had a raging heroin addiction that he didn't want to stop. He had the weight of the world on his shoulders and didn't want to be in his band anymore. Kristen was a recovering addict. She had been clean for a month (and had been previously hospitalized because of her addiction) and then unfortunately it sounds like she wanted one last hit and forgot that her tolerance levels had changed. That's usually why ODs happen.

@demo3456

9 ай бұрын

@@frankelder1158 We found the agent smith...pretty sure your looking at it really simplistic. Look into Courtneys father and maybe while your at it look into Grohls family too and don't get me started on Corgan. You talk like you know things but you just regurgitate the party line you saw in a video. I ain't saying anything for sure but you can't just go they were drug addicts. Kurt had so many drugs in his system at the time of death there was no way he could of lifted a shotgun. Sorry dude but that FACT alone makes the entire story suspect. Btw how do I get a job being a shill in youtube comments?

So delighted to see a new Kristen Pfaff video. I find Kristen infinitely fascinating. Please create more content on her! 🖤

@timpatrick2109

11 ай бұрын

She was involved in 1 mediocre album, then overdosed on heroine at a very young age. The end.

@robdykejr

10 ай бұрын

​@@timpatrick2109: Tell us more about that!🤔😆

@wespaul9345

10 ай бұрын

She was a beautiful, intelligent and talented person. It really is awful. Those scumbags she unfortunately surrounded herself with.

Im just sorry we lost a most beautiful lady I was infatuated with her talent and beauty 😢

@devilsoffspring5519

6 ай бұрын

Lovely looking girl, bassist to boot. That's worth bonus points. I actually never heard of Kristen until she died, and haven't heard of her since. The info in this video is new to me.

I always thought when Kurt bailed on rehab and bought 2 plane tickets the one was for Kristen. I think he was getting ready to leave Courtney & had feelings for Kristen and we all know how that story ended with them both dying & courtney being the common denominator. The older I get the more I realize in life there are rarely if any genuine coincidences.

@RadoGamers

11 ай бұрын

The proverbial nail on the head!!

@LisaSmith-yb2uz

11 ай бұрын

I agree. 🥹💓

@concravens5515

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for info! I’ll definitely watch this!✌️

@concravens5515

11 ай бұрын

So true! They said Kurt had another girlfriend that he was living with!

@user-cs6up8eq7s

11 ай бұрын

​@@RadoGamersyeah but how can any of it be proven

Kristen was a brilliant young woman taken from us much too soon. It's nice to see people still talk about her, and appreciate all the contributions she made in her lifetime. We love you Kristen!!

Her snoring in the bathroom could've been a "death rattle", so to speak. The body's response to her unable to breath.

@AvecPoesie

10 ай бұрын

Death rattling sounds quite similar. My Father Death rattled as he was dying. That sound haunts me.

Odd choice describing Amphetamine Reptile as a local label and not even mentioning the label name. AmRep was based in Minneapolis but was home to Helmet, Unsane, the Jesus Lizard, Melvins, the Cosmic Psychos, just to name a few. They were probably the one of the leading noise rock and alternative metal labels of the late 80s and early 90s.

@sefthereject

11 ай бұрын

Labels like that are known as mid-major labels. More pull and money than an Indy label, but usually not by much. Some being better than others

@scottbutkowski5803

10 ай бұрын

Ah, You bring me back. I Lived in Minneapolis back then. Worked at the Uptown bar, And then the 400. I can't believe how long its been. Those were some great times to see live shows!

@aisle_of_view

24 күн бұрын

And Hammerhead, which her friend Paul Erickson was the bass player. Janitor Joe and Hammerhead were both on tour in Europe in May 94, Paul volunteered to accompany her to Seattle to help pack and drive the UHaul. Paul even went to her funeral on June 21st.

Note that the story of Erlandson kicking down doors for Kristen, and somehow being there at the apartment before her body was taken away, isn't corroborated by anyone else. Courtney has been known to lie, you know.

@aisle_of_view

11 ай бұрын

Erlandson was not there at 7am. Paul was first to enter around 9:30, cops arrived around 10:45, Hartshorne arrived around 11:30 and pronounced her dead.

@scottcharney1091

11 ай бұрын

@@aisle_of_view Precisely, but how do you know the timeframe? I would hope that an ambulance got there between Erickson finding her and the arrival of the police over an hour later!

@berry541

10 ай бұрын

So has Erlandson. Lying.

@klimtklavier

10 ай бұрын

Junkies have been known to LIE LIE LIE to make sure they don't get arrested ...

@patriciamays8244

9 ай бұрын

​@@klimtklavieryes I've noticed junkies of any kind and alcoholics are absolutely the best liars

Thank you so much for doing a video about Kristen, not enough people know her story. Janitor Joe were great and Boys in Blue is a classic track as well, great bass line by Kristen.

@krewgarr

10 ай бұрын

I saw Janitor Joe with Hammerhead in 1994, in Germany while living "abroad". Both bands excellent. And I still have printed photos including some great ones of Kristen.

@ediesviolet4247

10 ай бұрын

​@@krewgarrHamburg, Germany? I'd love to know more about that one 🔥

@denine5232

10 ай бұрын

​@@krewgarrWow how awesome! So great that you got to see them and have pictures. Wonderful memories for sure😊

@denine5232

10 ай бұрын

​@@ediesviolet4247I second that

@scottbutkowski5803

10 ай бұрын

Before there was Janitor Joe, There was The Bastards. Joe's band with Anthony Martin. Minneapolis at that time was also all about the H.

I’m sure years from now we will all find out that Courtney was behind both deaths. Kurt’s and Kristen’s.

@TrumpIsTheRootOfAllEvil

10 ай бұрын

I'm not sure what makes you so confident. I believe it to be true and I hope that you're correct. I just don't know how that would come out now, though.

@tiffanyclark-grove1989

10 ай бұрын

absolutely

@Errcyco

10 ай бұрын

She’s not smart enough to pull off two murders as a drug addict loud mouth. That would be absolutely amazing. I think sue just drained the life out of people around her like death itself lol.

@c-note2569

10 ай бұрын

“ I love so much, I hate” lyric from one of Courtney loves songs. Kinda telling.

@mftd9316

10 ай бұрын

Spot on. Something about her screams sociopath and the drug use fueled her insanity even more. Jealous spiteful hateful human.

So, just let her sleep the whole night through in the bathtub? What a “friend”.

@aisle_of_view

11 ай бұрын

Paul slept in the U-haul that night as it was already packed up and the area she lived in was notorious for property theft. He woke up at 9:30 and found her in the tub, 5 inches of water, her arms and shoulders hanging over the side. Hartshorne believes she died before midnight the night before.

@berry541

10 ай бұрын

That shitty guitarplayer is a very sketchy person.

@kenhoughton5476

10 ай бұрын

I go with murder this Courtney love has no love her love is the BIG H.

@chancesareshewears

4 ай бұрын

@@aisle_of_view that makes no effing sense at all.

@theeyebrowsofcharlesbarkley

2 ай бұрын

@@aisle_of_view He did but he and Erik heard her snoring in a bath...door was locked so how would they know how full the bath was?? How high were they just to let her sleep in a bath?! Hope it plays on their minds.

It's amazing how much sway Courtney had over the Seattle PD, coroners office and the press.

@VHS_Broadcasting

10 ай бұрын

More so the connections she once had, notice her obscurity these days…

@adamfindlay7091

10 ай бұрын

Star struck, happens to smaller humble townsfolk. Kurt was world famous.

@James-wy2pq

10 ай бұрын

Yeah it's called blackmail

@EViLGrEEn42090

10 ай бұрын

She has a lot of sway in the music industry period. She knows people. Always has.

@EViLGrEEn42090

10 ай бұрын

@@VHS_Broadcastingshe still knows people. She had people beat the hell out of her daughters former rockstar husband. She’s knows people that can make you disappear. She’s not broke. Nirvana is easily worth more than a billion.

Courtney seems like the common link. How many “mysterious deaths” can one person be surrounded by?

@shaycase1834

11 ай бұрын

Ask the Clintons. They have more deaths connected to them than any other public figures I can think of. But Courtney love is a scumbag

@Luke-bt1zk

11 ай бұрын

Well there is the Clinton's. Just saying🤔🤔

@perceivedvelocity9914

11 ай бұрын

At least two.

@buddingvenus8487

11 ай бұрын

@@perceivedvelocity9914 3-4 you have El Duche and Detective Terry

@buddingvenus8487

11 ай бұрын

@@perceivedvelocity9914plus she has gotten multiple young adults/minors hooked on oxys. One that I know of died only a few years back. She tried to get Jack Osbourne hooked on oxys too. She is a terrible person.

She was a amazing bass player and a real rocker now your playing with the 27 club and making beautiful music we will never forget you

Kristen was a tragic loss of life that was overlooked.

Years ago, Q107, the rock radio station in Toronto had an ad campaign where they had posters on each subway car, including the horizontal spaces above the seats, things like “Member of KISS without my makeup” you know, like that. My favourite was “Courtney’s Accomplice”.

I’ve always wanted to give Courtney Love the benefit of the doubt, but I truly believe she had something to do with the death of two incredible people. She would make a great career politician

@brandon074

11 ай бұрын

I wonder if Courtney and Hilary are actually related.

@kainflynn1430

11 ай бұрын

Two? You’re being quite lenient there. Let’s not forget El Duce! Dude was found with his body on one side of a train track and his head on the other. Literally days after saying Courtney offered him $50 grand to “whack” Kurt Cobain while being filmed for the 1997 documentary Kurt & Courtney. Totally not suspicious at all

@brianhoffman7068

11 ай бұрын

If Dick Cheney and Courtney Love go hunting together.......

@jant7881

11 ай бұрын

I was just thinking of him. I always think about that remark he made on camera. I really wish he was still around.

@kainflynn1430

11 ай бұрын

@@jant7881 I saw a quick short on here somewhere with Fat Mike of NOFX, where he was talking about one of The Mentors albums. I’m it he states that they got to spend some time with Hoke and he tells the interviewer about how his body was found. The interviewer asks if it was an accident and Fat Mike reply’s, quite matter of factly, “No it was Courtney Love” It has to be the world’s worst kept secret. Cross Courtney, loose ya noggin

Yup. People on the wrong side of Courtney love have seriously reduced life expectancies

Funny how mysterious death's surround Courtney - I HIGHLY suggest watching 'soaked in Bleach' - you could even get a statement from El Duce - oh wait, he is dead too! But seriously,Soaked in Bleach - a VERY compelling documentary made by the very Private Investigator Courtney hired to find out circumstances of Kurt's demise...

@paulos9900

10 ай бұрын

Not that strange with the amount of drugs around.

@clicheguevara5282

10 ай бұрын

@@paulos9900 "There were drugs around, so why bother even investigating anything?" - Brilliant take.

@Lola-AreaCode212

10 ай бұрын

​@@paulos9900 *derp*

@macadoo2530

8 ай бұрын

Yeah it's hard to not see something is off when all the pieces are shown to you.

@elizabthharris6741

6 ай бұрын

It was a great doc

I really wish her and Kurt would have moved to Minnesota or wherever they talked about going

@scottcharney1091

11 ай бұрын

Those mysterious plane tickets easily could have been to Minnesota. Michael Stipe said that they were not for Georgia. Even if the Kurt/Kristen relationship was platonic, that's beside the point. With that said, Kurt's death was what compelled Kristen to get clean, and if the two of them were still together and using... We'll never know.

Thanks for sharing, I think she should not have joined the band Hole she would still been alive if she stayed with Janitor Joe, I drove 6 1/2 hours from Cincinnati to Buffalo, New York to Forest Lawn Cemetery to pay my respects to her. RIP Kristen You are not Forgotten,

@scottbutkowski5803

10 ай бұрын

Courtney recruited her out of Janitor Joe, After having played a hand in Destroying Joe's previous band, The Bastards. I heard she even wanted to start a band called " Bastard" I literally can recall the Janitor Joe show in the 7th street entry that Courtney attended. It was a killer show. A few months later, Kristen was off, And playing in Hole. The rest, As they say, Is history. Poisoned history.

Just read mark lanegans book.Apparently everyone that came into contact with her fell in love with her. I could see how Courtney would envy that.

@scottcharney1091

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, even if it was platonic, Courtney was extremely jealous and paranoid. That's well-documented. With that said, the way Lanegan writes about Kristen is very vulgar, and it seems very disrespectful.

@aisle_of_view

11 ай бұрын

Agreed, he seemed like he was just interested in her for sex. But, Kristen was interested in a lot of guys and girls, there's a photo of her making out with her GF at univ Minn in 1990.

@johneeeemarry34

11 ай бұрын

So she was just interested in sex….with lots of ugly grunge scum… Did she marry this lesbian or was it just sex….that she was interested in, whilst disrespecting her multiple partners , whilst being a intravenous drug user during the hiv/aids crisis…

@scottbutkowski5803

10 ай бұрын

I can personally attest to that. She was very sweet to me. I met her in Uptown Minneapolis at Calhoun Square. Michelle Leon worked at a florist shop there and introduced us. She asked me what was the special occasion for the flowers? I told her, Its Friday. I bought my girlfriend flowers on Fridays. The had a five buck bouqet deal and Michelle always hooked me up. Kristin said Oh, Thats so sweet and touched my shoulder, And gave me that profound smile of hers. I think I walked around in a complete daze until Monday! I mourned her heavily. I still ocassionally get slightly depressed over what happened to her.

@AvecPoesie

10 ай бұрын

@@aisle_of_view You have so much information. Where have you seen this photo, if you don't mind me asking?

Eric Erlandson Was the last to see Kurt and Kristen, 🤨🤫

@berry541

10 ай бұрын

A very sketchy privileged brat

It was said that Kurt and Kristen started out talking about art and would spend 3 or 4 hours on the phone. Courtney isolated Kristen and got her hooked on heroin to keep tabs on her. She was everything Courtney wasn't, and Kurt was making motions for a divorce. With the 'suicide' Courtney got absolutely everything of Kurt's and blew it all in a few years.

@scottcharney1091

11 ай бұрын

Nobody made Kristen use drugs, but it's true that Courtney was an enabler, among other things.

@earthmansurfer2328

11 ай бұрын

@@scottcharney1091 - "Made" might be the wrong word. "Enabled" might be better. Regardless, what happened to Kurt, the officer involved getting killed, then the connections to Kristen...

@tomservo5347

11 ай бұрын

Courtney is the type of crazy jealous where 'if I can't have him, NO ONE will.' The 90's documentary 'Kurt and Courtney' is fascinating and very sad because heroin addiction is the common thread. @@scottcharney1091

@chrisjames2593

11 ай бұрын

I can't say it doesn't make sense. What a shame all across the board though.

@SynthoidSounds

10 ай бұрын

"She was everything Courtney wasn't" . . . sums it up perfectly.

Wow what a heartbreaking topic. I knew some of it but that filled me in on the rest. I’ve been coming to this channel back when it only had around 20,000 subscribers. He used to speed read his video’s. He’s gotten 110% better since g th hose early vids. I’m a big fan of this channel almost from the start..

Apparently pages from her diary from around the time Kurt died had been ripped out..

After all the research I've done through the years, I think Courtney has links to Kristen, Kurt and Eldon's deaths.

@mikeygraves16

11 ай бұрын

I wouldn't trust you to find Carmen Sandiego...

@cd3949

11 ай бұрын

@@mikeygraves16 Well, Carmen Sandiego isn't real so...

@mikeygraves16

11 ай бұрын

@cd3949 Wow I can tell you must be so fun at all the parties you don't get invited to 🙄

@lifeofgaming6112

11 ай бұрын

I hate Courtney bur it's usually 3 strikes your out. No?

@larrydanadavid2435

11 ай бұрын

@@MR.SANDMAN1030You were 13 when Cobain died. And you were 9 or 10 years old “living through” Nirvana. 😆

wow i didn't know about this. courtney stole from kurt's journal too, and from her other ex-boyfriends journals.

@marklane870

10 ай бұрын

Her and the music mafia ..guilty

@shlrlaborben8934

10 ай бұрын

❤ WOW, I SMELL A SOCIOPATH, OR IS THAT A PYCHOPATH, ...OR MAYBE WE NEED DR. PHIL, OR REAL CRIME STORIES.....JUST SOMEONE SHE CAN'T GET CLOSE TO.

There is just to many coincidences when it comes to Courtney. She's like a damn Mafia boss.

@TrumpIsTheRootOfAllEvil

10 ай бұрын

I responded to your comment too damn early in this video XP XP XP Agreed.

@thebarrochannel

10 ай бұрын

She’s not --. Just a junkie girl.

@shlrlaborben8934

10 ай бұрын

❤ OR NEXT RUNNER UP???

@klimtklavier

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, they are rumored to control everything and they don't, too.

Kristen was everything that Courtney was not, she was smart, beautiful, talented,, and sweet. Courtney was jealous of her and very well may have had something to do with her death.

@palehorse1111

11 ай бұрын

She would have made a good wife for Kurt. Would have made some cool music together. Very sad.

@scottcharney1091

11 ай бұрын

@@palehorse1111 Yeah, it's a sweet story to imagine- Kurt crashes with Duff McKagan (they were on the same plane going from L.A. to Seattle, and to hear Duff tell it, Duff and a friend were about to ask Kurt to hang out with them) and doesn't go back to his house that night. Later, he uses those mysterious plane tickets to take himself, Frances, and someone else (maybe one of their household help, maybe another friend; the point is that there was a third ticket) to Minneapolis. The divorce goes through, and he gets custody of Frances. He becomes the "rock Johnny Cash" he had talked about. Kristen plays with Janitor Joe among other projects (including with Kurt), where she was happy and healthy. Best of all, Frances grows up with a sweet stepmom.

@scottcharney1091

11 ай бұрын

Even if there was no intentional foul play (sending Erlandson to Kristen with heroin when Kristen didn't request it, spiking the dose), Erlandson still committed a crime with no statute of limitations. Bringing heroin to a person in recovery, even if she requested "one more for the road" (did she call from a payphone while outside having a smoke?), is absolutely reprehensible. He knew perfectly well that it would trigger the jones to end all joneses, and that she would be very vulnerable after being clean for two months. He needs to man up and say what happened that night.

@palehorse1111

11 ай бұрын

@@scottcharney1091 🥲 Damn bro nearly brought a tear, talk about needing a butterfly effect/time machine moment right there.

@ozzmania08

11 ай бұрын

If Courtney is anyway shape or form associated with whomever then it's basically guilt that Courtney had something to do with the death.

If you get near Love, you are part of the “faces of death” franchise.😵

This should've been mentioned in more Kurt Cobain conspiracies. Courtney was the angel of death

@shlrlaborben8934

10 ай бұрын

❤ MAYBE A FALLEN ANGEL?

@jennahell

10 ай бұрын

Still is

Erlandson is the creepiest looking guy in rock n roll

Sounds like Pfaff and Cobain had more in common than Courtney did.

As an ex H addict - now clean & sober many years - this doesn't surprise me in the least. Relapse is extremely likely, after any period of sobriety. It is FAR more likely than continued, unbroken sobriety. It is common to relapse many times before staying clean...and even then, you are always susceptible. Even after being clean over 20 years, one hit would likely take you right back where you left off. What's more, is that the most common form of fatal overdose is a hit following a period of abstinence. This is because the users' tolerance will have decreased significantly- and H is a drug where the slightest miscalculation in dosage is the difference between a weak hit...or overdose → death. Seeming "happy" in the sobriety period is also common...and confusing to family members watching on when they relapse, nevertheless. It's confusing to the addict, aswell! Basically it comes down to there being a hole (forgive me, I'm aware of the blatant pun ) that nothing but the drugs fills. No matter how happy you become in sobriety, the urge to use will always be there, gnawing away at you. Like a phantom limb...but worse...it's in your very soul. It feels like being incapable of feeling "happy", even when your life is objectively wonderful! Furthermore, it is typical to type to have a clean period while moving back in with parents....and then when the recovering addict goes out for the first time...the opportunity to satiate that gnawing urge to use often rears its' head. As much as I loathe Ms Love...I see there being no direct connection to Pfaf's death. Plenty of INDIRECT contributing factors, perhaps...but nothing direct.

@philyeary8809

2 ай бұрын

Long winded agent sez...

@aisle_of_view

24 күн бұрын

Thanks for that. She found her wares while packing and relapsed. Dealer lived 3 blocks away.

Thanks for bringing this back to the surface. I like Janitor Joe and Hole, and a lot of that is because of Kristen. It's weird, because a couple of days ago, a buddy and I were talking about her and her strange death (we had heard "Doll Parts" at one of our local spots). So it's rather fitting that I found this video this morning.

Did I just hear him say the person that did her and Kurt’s autopsies is good friends with Courtney?

@amerocker

11 ай бұрын

Yep.

@edadick1625

11 ай бұрын

@@sickandtiredt except Ian Halperin and Max Wallace have Hartshorne admitting he was friends with her.

@wantutosigh1117

10 ай бұрын

Nicholas Hartshorne was definitely acquaintances with Courtney. He handled the autopsy for both Kurt and Kristen.

@Lola-AreaCode212

10 ай бұрын

Strange, isn't it? ☠️

@lorisnyder8224

10 ай бұрын

Yes. She met Hartshorne when when he was promoting her Ist husband 's punk band.Called him 'my punk rock coroner.'

Thank you for doing this video ❤it’s something that needs to be talked about more. There was SOOO much shadiness going on (usually anywhere Courtney has been involved)

@nickparsons337

11 ай бұрын

Courtney Love is evil. Her own parents believe that she was definitely responsible for Kurt's death. This has been documented. Modern day Succubus.

@klimtklavier

10 ай бұрын

OH PLEASE GIVE A LOT OF EXAMPLES !!! LMFAO !!!

@aisle_of_view

8 ай бұрын

As much as I dislike Courtney, there's no evidence she had a hand in Kristen's demise. Kristen returned to Seattle from Europe on June 13th. She was sober but did not have a sponsor. While packing, she found her drug kit and it sent her into relapse. Her alleged dealer lived in the same neighborhood, a seven minute walk according to Google Maps. This dealer was known for mixing Coke with H, which is the drug combination that turned up in her toxicology report. Kristen no longer had the tolerance level she possessed when she was a steady user, so the amount she ingested was fatal. A common mistake with former addicts. Absolute tragedy regardless.

My family is 7 generations deep in the PNW & Alaska. Seattle has had a dark history going way back, and today it's just out of control.

@Armistead_MacSkye

6 ай бұрын

That is true, and it is a shame.

@4FYTfa8EjYHNXjChe8xs7xmC5pNEtz

Ай бұрын

Somebody from Alaska once told me that for Alaskans, Seattle is the city of unliving. Because all the specialized medical clinics that people in Alaska end up having to go to for last ditch operations are in Seattle.

@olikat8

Ай бұрын

A lot of Canadians, too when the wait list is too long ​@4FYTfa8EjYHNXjChe8xs7xmC5pNEtz

Many thanks for posting. I had long been a Kristen Pfaff fan, far more interesting (at least to me) than Courtney ever could be. I agree, something just didn't smell right with this, then or now. The other "mysterious" death to look into is Jimi Hendrix, perhaps the most creative musical genius of that genre to have ever lived. His passing was also VERY questionable, there's more than a few missing pieces to that story, and a sketchy manager at that time.

@Fiveash-Art

10 ай бұрын

Blood Ritual bruh 🩸🤘🏻☠🤘🏻

@crungefactory

9 ай бұрын

They held him down and poured a bottle of wine down his throat. Which is why the coroner found the wine in his lungs. Absolutely a homicide by his manager...

@AC.666

9 ай бұрын

Dammit, another rabbit hole for me to go down!

@click_beatty_

8 ай бұрын

Neat ! Timing is synchronous because I just saw a video with Stevie Ray Vaughn. He was being interviewed and he brought up the sus Hendrix death / alluded to that conspiracy

The more unsavory stories I hear about Courtney the more the picture of her becomes clear. The skeaziest most vile human ever. Cannot be trusted. Her idea of love & friendship is one that is filled with toxicity, abuse and even violence that seems to result in people around her dying or separating from her. She deserves to be alone.

@sugargold4126

10 ай бұрын

Kurt was about to leave her. Very suspicious that he supposedly killed himself with a large hunting rifle. Almost physically impossible. He was off-ed. So was Kirsten. Tragic.

@Crylovell

10 ай бұрын

@@sugargold4126But one of Kurt’s last songs Do are Mi speaks on suicide. Why would Courtney kill him? Even after he died she was giving away his stuff to fans for FREE

@bigglilwayne7050

10 ай бұрын

​@@Crylovell It's easier for people to blame her than to admit that their hero was weak willed...

Courtney and Eric killed Kurt and Kristen, there’s a place in hell for both of them

@palehorse1111

11 ай бұрын

Eric is atleast her junkie confidante accomplice. All of Courtney junky friend were assisting her in her misdeeds including the ones her and Kurt were letting live in their house when he was murdered. Somebody on heroin will do anything you want practically to feed their addiction and they'll soon be dead anyway so they make the perfect hitman.

@bigglilwayne7050

10 ай бұрын

I've always found Courtney to be a sympathetic figure because of all the insane conspiracy theories vilifying her

@philyeary8809

2 ай бұрын

​@@bigglilwayne7050ok, lame agent....weaksauce shill😂

Where there’s smoke there’s fire.

@cactaceous

11 ай бұрын

The only fire was from a lighter, under a spoon. Not enough details to ascertain any foul play.

@scottcharney1091

11 ай бұрын

@@cactaceous Keep in mind: even if Kristen requested it, even if there was no spiking of the dose, and even if it wasn't supplied by Courtney, it's reprehensible of Erlandson to deliver it. He knew exactly what could easily happen when a clean person injects again. It gets worse if she didn't request it, and if any of the other factors apply. There's no statute of limitations on the crime of delivering a fatal dose, but too bad, Eric! He should man up and say what he did.

@cactaceous

11 ай бұрын

@@scottcharney1091 He did say. It’s in this video.

@scottcharney1091

11 ай бұрын

@@cactaceous His statements about stupid mistakes are very ambiguous, by design.

@philyeary8809

2 ай бұрын

​@@cactaceousok, trust me bro...trust cops😂😂😂😂

Justice for Kurt and Kristen.

The album "Live Thru This" was one of the best and most underrated records ever released from that era. Kristen Pfaff did an amazing job playing the bass on that record. Still one of my top 10 favorite albums ever. It's heavy and very well written. You can hear and feel the anger, anguish, and raw energy that pours out of every track.

This guy is good on his research. Justice for Kurt and Kristen.

Courtney Love killed her because of how close she was to Kurt. She killed Kurt because he was going to quit the band(Dave, Kurt and Krist all had discussed ending the band) and she would have no rights to any of the songs.

Where Love goes... Death follows.

K P went back to Seatle sober, E E supplied one more good heavy dose and left paraphernalia. It was MURDER ! C L s orchestration obviously..

@scottcharney1091

11 ай бұрын

Even if Kristen requested it, even if there was no spiking of the dose, and even if it wasn't supplied by Courtney, it's reprehensible of Erlandson to deliver it. He knew exactly what could easily happen when a clean person injects again. It gets worse if she didn't request it, and if any of the other factors apply. There's no statute of limitations on the crime of delivering a fatal dose, but too bad, Eric! He should man up and say what he did.

@kato64

11 ай бұрын

@@scottcharney1091 - How many times are you going to copy/paste the same response?

@berry541

10 ай бұрын

It has certainly always looked that way. Maybe that was the shitty guitarplayer’s actual talent?

That wasn't a snore he heard when she was in the bath tub. It was a death rattle, which sounds like a deep snore. If you hear this from anyone wake them, lor try to wake them just in case.

@AvecPoesie

10 ай бұрын

Absolutely correct. My father death rattled. That sound can be easily mistaken.

@shlrlaborben8934

10 ай бұрын

❤ SO, YOU HEAR SOME ONE SNORING...AND YOU ARE AT THEIR DOOR FOR WHAT REASON?

Justice for Kristen and Kurt! ❤❤

We need someone to investigate this death.

How TRAGICALLY IRONIC is it that both Kristen & Kurt Kobain both got clean and a few days after, they were BOTH found dead.

@NWOWCW4Life1

8 ай бұрын

Kurt being clean? Yeeah idk about all that

@LittleBlueOwl318

7 ай бұрын

Idk - the common denominator is Courtney being pissed off at each of them. Courtney doesn't like not getting her way. Just sayin'.

You should do audio books, your voice is soothing and easy to listen to.............

They say only the good die young, Courtney Love will live forever.

@daBEAGLE1017

11 ай бұрын

Pointing the finger at another will leave you with 3 pointing back at you.

@jeannewantsjustice

10 ай бұрын

@@daBEAGLE1017 No we know that Cortney had 3 people killed and we are not going to let you bully us out of knowing that. I 100 percent know that Courtney had 3 people killed and she tried to have a 4th person killed in California, that is now 3 people that she had killed, and she attempted to kill a 4th person. You should become friends with her, if you piss her off, she will have you killed too.

@kruggyy

10 ай бұрын

Courtney will live through this whether you like it or not

@jeannewantsjustice

10 ай бұрын

@@kruggyy Lol I would love for her to live through it in jail here she belongs, that would be a dream come true. You want her to live through killing people and attempting to kill a 4th person, good for you.

@kruggyy

10 ай бұрын

@@jeannewantsjustice damn chill dawg. I was making a joke 🫤

Quoting the lead detective on Kurt Cobain's death.." if you want to get away with murder,kill a drug addict"

@Lola-AreaCode212

10 ай бұрын

I never heard that one before, but it's EXACTLY what I've always said myself. So. Dang. Easy.

@pbad2642

10 ай бұрын

@@Lola-AreaCode212 if the Cobain story interests you, I highly recommend watching Soaked in Bleach.

Dude how could Erlandson never be investigated???? Wtf dude. Dude I hope Love and Erlandson get found guilty from this it’s pathetic

Courtney Love probably had something to do with this one too. Because there was talk Kurt was gonna leave Courtney for Kristen so put 2 and 2 together

The true story behind this is waaaaaay more horrifying…

I am ran in the same circle of friends as Hole and Nirvana in the first half of the 90s in LA and then in Seattle. I don’t know if anyone did anything other than facilitate poor behavior and drugs, but word on the street was going down the fowl play rabbit hole. I don’t know… there were some pretty disgusting people in both Seattle and LA. People that pretended to be all about friends, right vs wrong, music, etc., but we’re more into drugs and social ladder climbing. My marriage ended because of it and I never saw that coming, although in retrospect I should have.

@kentallard8852

10 ай бұрын

could you elaborate on the word on the street and the bad people in the scene?

@baneverything5580

10 ай бұрын

These places are even more disgusting now. Sick, evil people pretending to be good but spreading filth, chaos, crime, violence, racism and hate. Typical far left loons.

@izzyjones7108

10 ай бұрын

Appreciated. I may have met you back then. I ran all up and down the coast and was in the same scene. I partied with El duce several times. And I heard that same "word on the street"/ but when I heard about El duce..thats what tipped it for me..he made some really ominous statements last I saw him .. a few weeks later. He was found on the tracks

@HANNIBALBARCA247

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for that absolute useless information. 👍

@izzyjones7108

10 ай бұрын

@@HANNIBALBARCA247 👌🫡you're absolutely welcome.

Erlandson is involved yet not questioned….

@berry541

10 ай бұрын

He comes from an EXTREMELY privileged background.

I’m curious if Kurt’s daughter has any thoughts about everything that has happened in her life. Especially her mother!!!

@JulietRoseCapulet777

10 ай бұрын

I believe she was emancipated (I’m not sure at what age though) and I think she moved in with family and cut her mother out of her life. Apparently she is a very nice girl, she might be involved/interested in the entertainment industry not sure, but apparently she’s nothing like her mother and doesn’t drink or touch drugs. Good for her.

@ImprovEyes-fc9fo

10 ай бұрын

She gave away her dad’s guitar to some f*ckboy

@kruggyy

10 ай бұрын

Frances has acknowledged that she has a “crazy” mother

@izzyjones7108

10 ай бұрын

I'm sure she has plenty. Probably never gonna hear them blasted online while the individuals are still around

@WyattTwerpp

10 ай бұрын

she don't like her dads music coz she probably believes/believed that he killed himself which is an ultimate act of abaondonment/rejection of offspring.. but if she knew her mom killed him maybe she'd start digging his music more

Kristen we see you 🖤

Court probably took her out too!! Having heard the accounting of Kurt's demise, seems pretty plausible.

Such a sad story. I would love to know what actually happened. So many questions.

Awesome video. Very interesting. Really enjoy your shows

@rnrtruestories

11 ай бұрын

Glad you like them!

Funny how Courtney has mysterious circumstances around her through her life...

@spiritualED

11 ай бұрын

🥱

@FuhkYub

11 ай бұрын

The main one being how the fuck she ever got famous

@TT.Hell.

11 ай бұрын

Are there theories that she is a "black widow"?

@stevenfunderburg1623

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, the more I see stuff like this the less funny it becomes. I used to dismiss ideas about her involvement in Kurt's death . But after the Soaked in Bleach doc I began to seriously reconsider that position and the deeper one looks the stranger and shadier things seem. That's probably all I feel comfortable saying 🤣😂😂🤣

@FuglyStick

11 ай бұрын

It happens, especially in the music industry with its high occurrence of drug use, mental illness, and shady/criminal elements. Only a Q-Anon moron sees conspiracy everywhere, or alludes to someone's "guilt" based on that stupidity. Are you stupid? Wait, I already know the answer to that..

I was so saddened by her death back when it happened 😢

You should do a video on all the death in Loves wake. It's gnarly.

@MoodSwing916

11 ай бұрын

Drug addicts with mental and or physical health issues dying in various ways around another drug addict with mental issues isn't surprising at all.

@palehorse1111

11 ай бұрын

Only the Clintons have her beat in that arena

Erlandson shows up at Cobains houses (seattle and carnation) and Cobain is found dead. Erlandson is the last to see Pfaff and the next day she is found dead. hmmn.

Under contract with a record label = she was INSURED. Just in case she perished in a rare and unfortunate accident, the label would be able to recover some of their investment. Which of coarse begs the question.... what would her exact value be as an ex-member of the group.

Drenched in Bleach or Soaked in Bleach covers this topic, and even the former Seattle PD Chief wants the Cobain case reopened, and yet, nope, not gonna happen. F America. Cobain and Pfaff were getting close around the time he was ready to dump Courtney Love

Gotta love how we all came to the conclusion that Love probably is a murderer.

@msphilly3838

10 ай бұрын

Because it's obvious?

@shlrlaborben8934

10 ай бұрын

❤ JUST THE ONE DOING THE HIRES?????

A lot of talk says Courtney Love was responsible for Cobains death...

So many in Courtney's orbit with mysterious deaths. Kurt, Pfaff & El Duce.

@serenitygilles7064

11 ай бұрын

was thinking the same thing.....

@neplusultra4196

11 ай бұрын

Very mysterious…junkie commits suicide, junkie gets clean relapses dies, drunk gets hits by a train.

@mikeygraves16

11 ай бұрын

@@neplusultra4196 Yep. All 3 of those things are so uncommon that it MUST be a conspiracy! 🤣

@wantutosigh1117

10 ай бұрын

Detective Terry as well.

@neplusultra4196

10 ай бұрын

@@wantutosigh1117 lol

Nirvana and Live Through This was my teenage soap opera. Literally the voice of my generation - GEN X Few classmates died from drug overdoses. Raves were all the rage at that time - drugs, drugs, drugs

@joesmith9216

11 ай бұрын

cornell was the voice of GEN X

@msphilly3838

10 ай бұрын

​@@joesmith9216Nirvana. Chris Cornell. Man..what a voice

Im not accusing anyone but the day i found out that The person committing the autopsy for both Kurt and Kristen had close ties with Courtney yeahhhh something is very fishy RIP Kurt and Kristen forever 27 one day justice will come for you

@aisle_of_view

8 ай бұрын

Hartshorne died in a parachuting accident in 2002.

Unfortunately, the snoring he heard could have been the "death rattle". You get sober, you feel like your life is coming together, and you feel happy, yet there's that little voice that keeps telling you one last time won't hurt you. She was saying goodbye to Seattle and probably thought I'll have one more for the road. I lost my brother and my mother, both to overdoses, and they both passed during a relapse. I understand why her Mother doesn't want to accept it, but it's the most likely scenario. My question is, why wasn't an Autopsy done on such a young individual? The toxicology screen would confirm if it was an overdose or not.

@Errcyco

10 ай бұрын

I’m always nervous the day I run out of options and gotta go back to street drugs. I’m living on borrowed time. Opiates are the best and worst experience of my life. I hope she at least didn’t realize what was happening.

@lennarthagen3638

10 ай бұрын

Its very often happens after the person has been clean for a long time

@marvmattison5248

10 ай бұрын

For the same reason they didn't investigate Kurt's death (you know ... rock n. roll, drugs, sure that's all) typical mentalities for decades. B. S.

@jasonhaynes2952

10 ай бұрын

Also, the human body develops a tolerance to drugs (and alcohol). With repeated and regular use, they just don't affect you as much as they used to. Sometimes (so I've been told), when people have been clean for a while and relapse, they take a dose that they normally could have handled in the past, but now that they've lost their tolerance, it's like giving a first timer a massive dose that a regular daily user would take.

Eric obviously killed her and got away with it

@aisle_of_view

11 ай бұрын

Don't think so. Janet said Eric called her when Kristen developed a skin infection from injecting. He wouldn't put the spotlight back on himself if the goal was to poison her in mid June. After all, Paul saw Eric the night before they were going to drive home. Too easy to pin him for a crime, but he didn't do it.

@johneeeemarry34

11 ай бұрын

Obviously not because he didn’t ask for the drugs, she did.. she took them, so it’s obviously 100% her own doing…That like blame Ms Love.. How old are you? 50? Still talking ridiculous grunge cringe like a spotty teenager …

@berry541

10 ай бұрын

It’s always seemed to look that way.

@louieo.blevinsmusic4197

10 ай бұрын

Not even close. This is the 1st time I’ve ever heard of this or these people but…..She got sober from heroin for x amount of time which brought her tolerance down, she apparently comes across some in the house she was packing up in Seattle, (maybe someone leave it there for her?) gets hotel/goes into bathroom to take bath, (hot bath and heroin are closely associated) she doesn’t take her lack of tolerance into consideration and unfortunately she overdosed. Happens all the time, esp to folks getting outta jail. Unfortunate as she seems pretty dope.

Courtney is an evil person. I firmly believe Courtney had something to do with Kristen and Kurts death

@RadoGamers

11 ай бұрын

No doubt!

@sherrymay5409

11 ай бұрын

Agree 100%

@v2vroth

11 ай бұрын

Yeah she’s a piece of work. I think she’s a good actress though. Larry Flint was great and she crushed it. However.. I know if I had to listen to her sing in my band I’d want to die lol

@MikeyVonSwank13

11 ай бұрын

@@v2vroth honestly .. I agree. She was why it took me so long to watch it. But I thought she was good. But her singing 🤮🤢😞🔫

@serenitygilles7064

11 ай бұрын

yes!

It's not a mystery if you can put 2 and 2 together.

yes she was killed by Eric and Allan the same people that killed Kurt

Sorry, kids, but there probably isn't any conspiracy here. You all don't understand drugs so these crazy ideas start to make sense. But if you understood how those scenes are, you wouldn't wonder about it. I don't care what Pfaff's father said, she was an addict. You don't do heroin for a year recreationally. Everyone talks about what a great person she was as if being successful, happy, and driven means you'd never try drugs. A lot of people seriously underestimate the situation, think they can handle it. Especially when you're young. Despite that she kicked it, and probably without much effort. Which again, lead her to believe she could handle it. So she makes the biggest mistake any recovering druggie can do: visit someone still in the scene. Leaving Seattle and all those people behind WAS the best thing she could do. The mistake was going back, for any reason, and worse was meeting someone from that scene. Now she'd already kicked heroin and might have thought it wasn't a huge deal. Well Erlandson shows up and he's carrying and she thinks why not one more go at and have fun with my friend like we used to? This happens a lot. She takes the same kind of hit she had built up to. But the problem is that it's been out of her system for a bit now. Like when you've been drinking regularly it takes more to get you there but when you haven't had any in a while one drink sends you flying. Same thing. This is actually how quite a lot of OD's, especially fatal ones, happen. Everyone keeps saying the common thread here is Love. The common thread here is heroin.

@s.b.3275

6 ай бұрын

The difference is a dead Cobain was worth a lot more then a live divorced one. I can understand this chick fucked up, but with Cobain, there's recordings of CL moaning and complaining about Cobain divorcing her and taking her off the will, saying that he's not gonna get away with it as well as many people mentioning Cobain was going to divorce her. Honestly, coming from someone that has nothing against suicides, if I wanted to kill myself, I'd make damn sure that bitch wasn't getting anything out of it. It's not uncommon for spouses to murder there "loved ones" for there own benefit.

This whole situation is freaky & sad

She had a beautiful smile!

Kristen was so good at bass, she recorded all of "Live Through This" without ever needing to overdub or fix a playing error. The producers were amazed. This also gave her a lot of time to snort tons of speed which one of the studio techs doled out to her and Patty.

@barnabyjones5161

11 ай бұрын

A mental deficient could play bass on a Hole album without even wearing a helmet....

The bodies pilling up around Courtney love is no coincidence.. It's amazing how Courtney has stayed out of prison all this time. She must have SO maybe people paid off.

@shlrlaborben8934

10 ай бұрын

❤ OR WOULD THAT BE SCARED OFF???

Two big questions jump out at me: 1.) How does someone like Courtney Love become friends with a coroner? How did their paths cross? 2.) Way more importantly - what the hell did she mean by saying in a later interview, “I had to go over there and get Eric away from the body.”????

Addiction is a really strong pull. Seemingly happy, clean addicts go back to their old ways. That initial feeling is what people chase, to bad endings.

@FlameFlickers

11 ай бұрын

She was clean and was literally back in her place just to get her stuff and move though. Under the circumstances, her death was highly suspicious.

@leof2497

11 ай бұрын

​​@@FlameFlickersStudies show that the vast majority of addicts tend to relapse on their first attempt to get clean. It's not everything fault of the government, CIA, Russians, or Courtney Love.

@sickandtiredt

11 ай бұрын

​@@FlameFlickersher death was not suspicious at all. she probably felt triggered by something or just wanted one last high and leave... unfortunately, she died like many addicts do when they relapse. shit happens. can't y'all weirdos just let them rest in peace?

@dutch__mermaid602

11 ай бұрын

​@@FlameFlickersAgreed. Some pages of her diary were ripped out, her mother thinks it's not accidental either. Her brother said she and Kurt sometimes talked for hours on the phone. Way more happened than we know.

@scottcharney1091

11 ай бұрын

@@sickandtiredt Keep in mind: even if Kristen requested it, even if there was no spiking of the dose, and even if it wasn't supplied by Courtney, it's reprehensible of Erlandson to deliver it. He knew exactly what could easily happen when a clean person injects again. It gets worse if she didn't request it, and if any of the other factors apply. There's no statute of limitations on the crime of delivering a fatal dose, but too bad, Eric! He should man up and say what he did.