Kreia wanted to stop the Sith and the Jedi, stop their selfish quests for dominance, stop the Force as an all-controlling god that sacrificed billions of lifes for it's own purpose. Ultimately, what Kreia wanted, was peace for the Galaxy, with no one dying before their natural life-span ran out. Really, Kreia was the ultimate force of good.

@jrobcc

7 жыл бұрын

That was before her "revelation". He had hatred for the Jedi back then, and she did have both Nihilus and Sion hunting everyJedi in the galaxy. But after the second betrayal, her epiphany was clear for her.

@pissedoffdude1

7 жыл бұрын

The sith don't want to destroy it though. They just have a different perspective on it than the jedi. She hates it because both sides basically worship it and become blind what it really is. She seems to favor the idea of an individual creating their own thoughts on the force, rather than sticking to traditional beliefs because it makes them stronger as a person. Seems more like this mirrors Nietzsche's thoughts on organized religion. Rather than god being dead, she wants the force to be dead and to her the ubermensch is the exile because she has experienced life without the force and it ultimately made her stronger.

@pissedoffdude1

7 жыл бұрын

That and despite her actions, I think that's why she put so much faith into the exile. Her actions show she was pretty flawed and to me it indicates she couldn't be the ideal ubermensch her words express because she was filled with too much hatred of both sides. Now, I'm just making assumptions, but she probably realized the truth and wasn't strong enough to go through with it because of the vendettas she had against both sides

@jacobprigmore1301

7 жыл бұрын

Reverse Fuhrer While I disagree with how cruel her tactics may be, Kreia's philosophy is the definition of good: she wants to end the millennia long conflict between Jedi and Sith that causes millions of innocents to die until one side wins, but then the cycle starts all over again. The only way to destroy both parties is to destroy the Force itself, hence the reason Kreia takes interest in the Exile. Kreia may have been a Sith Lord, but she hated the ideology and ultimately had good intentions.

@sjrfblastip4548

6 жыл бұрын

+Reverse Fuhrer I think she is a Grey Jedi. Or at the most a Dark Jedi.

Honestly, I wish there was an ending in which you sided with Kreia. That would be interesting to see.

@James_ART_72000

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly it was her plan to betray you all along no matter how you slice it this was the start of the end.

@corradoalamanni179

3 жыл бұрын

If you sided with her she would betray you after because as she says there must always be a darth traya

@harrisonfackrell

3 жыл бұрын

@@corradoalamanni179 Well, I mean, yeah, but her whole goal was to use your anomalous properties to fuck up the force by killing you on Malachor V, and the way the story plays out, she _tries_ to make that happen while you're unwilling, but you fight her off. I don't see any way for her to betray you if you just go along with it, 'cause the plan involves your death anyways.

@corradoalamanni179

3 жыл бұрын

@@harrisonfackrell mmm I thought that she wanted you to form bonds to those who would seek you on malavhor so that those who feed on the force would spread until the force was no more.

@harrisonfackrell

3 жыл бұрын

@@corradoalamanni179 Yeah. And you could just... co-operate with that, once you reach Malachor.

Kreia seems more angry when you go dark side

@servebotfrank4082

4 жыл бұрын

Because you ruined her chances to defeat the Jedi ideologically. She never wanted the Jedi to actually die, just consider her point of view.

@jonthulhu

4 жыл бұрын

Servebotfrank but doesn’t she say it had to be done since they represented a threat even on the worlds they chose?

@julianG1212

4 жыл бұрын

So she wanted the Jedi to progress with their ideas

@ZeRo-yc7zf

4 жыл бұрын

journalofthewils _ kreia above all wanted to spread truth. She would have preferred the exile to be light side as it would prove the Jedi wrong that she turned to the dark side or that the wound he/she experienced wasn’t a negative thing. She believed the exile to be a failure because he/she let their inner anger control her so much that it’ll end up being destructive. Of course the Jedi had to die but what the exile had become was what mattered more. When talking about Nihilus’ power she said “do not view his hunger as strength or desirable in any means” because nihilus’ hunger controls him and weakened him to the point where he’d be weakened or eventually die if he would not feed on others life force. The anger and persuit of revenge is exactly the same, if you seek to pay back or kill everyone who’s wronged you you’re only spreading more suffering and distracting yourself from your own goals

@tejakarra4516

2 жыл бұрын

She wanted to show that being the wound in the Force doesn't mean you need to fall to the dark side. But by doing that, you basically prove the Jedi right.

All that Kreia wanted was free will, life without the tyranny of the Force.

@corradoalamanni179

3 жыл бұрын

She should have joined the jolee bindo school of doing my stuff

Darth Traya is the best villain in the history of Star Wars.

@ggt47

7 жыл бұрын

Darksnovia true,but i woll always live palptine

@Extreme96PL

5 жыл бұрын

Its hard to decide if she is villain her point of view was not so stupid or evil she want stop jedi and sith selfish fight for dominance light vs dark etc Revan found balance between light and dark side and he was one of most powerful force users

@julianG1212

5 жыл бұрын

You do realize the reason some call her a villain is because she fights you at the end of the game.

@aryeh323

4 жыл бұрын

The Senate disagrees with you

@PaintedHoundie

4 жыл бұрын

@@Extreme96PL she's a villain. A villain can have a good plan or good idea. if a person in real life manipulated people left and right, encouraged and participated in murder and political corruption, them having a good point about shit would not be a redeeming quality to make them decide whether or not theyre an actual criminal. she is the legends version of palpatine. She is him if they added any nuance to him. She is a villain through and through and leans way more to evil then to gray. she still abides by the sith codes of manipulation and power but just doesnt like senseless war. you can still not be mindless baddie and still be a villain, it just makes you a 3 dimensional one. her plan would have annihilated a lot of life and it would be worth it to her because to her itd be better than the force killing all those people eventually anyway. Thats evil. Thats villainous.

I was a light side character, but I got this on Dantooine because if you kill one Jedi Master, you have to kill the other two. I didn't want to kill Master Katar, but Onderon deserved it's independence, and Master Katar was supporting the Queen who kept them in the Republic, so I had to kill him

@jrobcc

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, the game provided scenarios where right are wrong are very mixed at times, makes you see everything in a bigger picture. Would have been even better if it provided you more liberty in your choices

@johnnyb7628

4 жыл бұрын

Lolll I thought the same thing. Onderon did deserve their independence. However I supported the queen.

@RoyalMudcrab

Жыл бұрын

Kavarr.

@coot33

6 ай бұрын

Think i was able to keep him alive when siding with the independence. It's been years though.

@seanalbro3689

6 ай бұрын

@@coot33 you gotta get the tslrcm mod, but I'm on console 😔

this music still gives me chills

@jrobcc

7 жыл бұрын

yeah, good soundtrack on the Enclave

Only if she had succeeded in destroying the force

@jrobcc

7 жыл бұрын

Hey, perhaps someone did. After all, it's all a story in a galaxy far, far away ;)

@foxmulder8955

5 жыл бұрын

@@jrobcc nope it didnt happen. The force is an unimaginably large and powerful energy field that is greater than the galaxy, possibly the entire universe. At best she could hope to remove the link between living beings and the force at a galactic scale. That probably means committing a genocide on the midichlorians, and a bunch of species at once. But it wouldnt remove or even scratch the force, and since life is constantly evolving, sentient beings would be eventually influenced by the force again.

@jrobcc

5 жыл бұрын

@@foxmulder8955 That did not apply to the Yuuzhan Vong.

@foxmulder8955

5 жыл бұрын

@@jrobcc I'm not certain what you are talking about : if it's the process of separating living beings from the force, the yuzann vongs lost their living home world they had a symbiotic relationship with. it seems destroying planets and a bunch of living beings at once is the way to go. If it is the Yuuzhan vongs still being absent in the force thousand of years after being stripped from it, it doesn't mean it's meant to last forever. living species are eventually subject to change or extinction, while the cosmic force is a much larger and durable thing that will still be there no matter what happens.

@ianbailey4213

2 жыл бұрын

That would not have turned out well.

Kreia seems more angry in this version, but she explains the exact nature of her plan much better. She wants to end the force ruling the galaxy. If she were successful, then every living being would have been forced to cut themselves from the force, or die. We can't see the end of this act, but i can see 2 possibility. 1. The effect would be dependent on how much one uses the force. In that case most jedi, and sith would perish, but the normal people would survive. 2. The effect would kill like 99% of the galaxy. As unintentionally most living beings are dependent on the force, and they are unable to cut themselves from it. However both end means peace from the entire jedi vs sith conflict.

What if the exile just quietly say "Yes" when asked if he achieved peace when killing the Jedi Masters? What would happen to the story overall if the exile, of all the questions, has accepted his own peace after killing them Jedi Masters

@seanalbro3689

6 ай бұрын

I wanted so badly to say this option!!!

Wow I didn't even get half of these dialog options, and definitely didn't get to see Kreia stab herself. Maybe I didn't gain enough influence? Thats sad I'd rather have this as a DS ending...

@jrobcc

8 жыл бұрын

maybe. i think the dark side path lets you get this ending. what an interesting character she is

@RevinDay

8 жыл бұрын

+Roberto C. C. Ya I went full dark. I had to take the restored content mod off for this cutscene to work. I think it messed with a few things but the HK-47 level was the best! Dark Jedi Consular is by far the strongest character I've played

@jrobcc

8 жыл бұрын

+RevinDay Agreed. It is quite powerful with the force crush! The HK level quite interesting, being you alone. I do not remember conflicts with the TSLRCMod, who knows.

Ngl this scene was sad for me. I'm glad I made a Save slot after Telos. Otherwise I'd be very depressed. I even killed Akkere to join the dark side... For what? The ability to use force crush? It wasn't worth it. So I travelled back in time to undo my sins, let the jedi masters live, make Bao-Dur my jedi Appretice, become a Jedi Master, and most importantly save Akkere. It was the right choice. I stopped playing on the dark side when the sith invaded Telos. I felt hollow and depressed. The only "person" that appreciated my existence was HK-47. An assasin droid. But while it was sad not being able to have Hanharr on my team, it was worth switching to the light.

that fuckin steam notification tripped me out

I like the yellow coloring of grass in this version. Originally KOTOR II made Dantooine green and somehow fresh, so the planet looked too much like Onderon or Telos.

I think Traya is a coward for not telling the Exile why the Jedi were a threat to her. But in her heart Surik knew that the Jedi especially Kavar had the power to kill her before her plan could succeed.

playing this game on the light side is like so pointless, in the end when the jedi masters know that you're the good guy that united them they still turn against your own goodwill.

@jrobcc

7 жыл бұрын

I found it more complicated than that. Although you had good intentions, your strength did grew on others. And just like their decision on not joining the mandalorians into war, they found you a danger. In their wisdom, they saw the same thing Kreia saw, the death of the force.

@shadowstormtrooper293

7 жыл бұрын

Roberto C. C. in that case, the exile deserves a second chance at least, being reasonable as to why he or she went to war,

@jrobcc

7 жыл бұрын

Couldn't be more agree with you. I always though this council was to much of a play-safe kind of council. I would've join Revan myself. Mandalorians asked for it, and even if the echoes of the war traveled as the council said, it would be better rather than let them take over the galaxy.

@shadowstormtrooper293

7 жыл бұрын

Roberto C. C. it's better just to go dark side and kill them just to shut them up LOL instead of wasting your time with them

@tankbusta5335

7 жыл бұрын

It's not pointless, it showed the ignorance of the Jedi

The fact that this scene alone did a way better job than entire TLOU 2 when it comes to "revenge is bad"

Do you have to have tslrcm to get this scene? I killed all the Jedi masters and Kreia force drained me lol. I wished she stabbed herself, how do I get this scene? Btw I was dark side.

wait so if you go full dark side you turn blue?!

@DaybreakJones

8 жыл бұрын

*or grey

@jrobcc

8 жыл бұрын

+Private Switch just a little bit of livor mortis

@obi-wankenobi1438

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah haven't you seen any sith? They're skin is usually always white. Look at Vader. His skin has been dead white. Ever since I sliced his limbs off. Nihilus doesn't really have skin so it doesn't apply to him

So Kreia is just a sad, angry, and lonely old woman who have ties against the Jedi and Sith beliefs.

@brendancoulter5761

6 жыл бұрын

yeah but she is real interesting all the same. Ultimately all of her hate and bitterness gave me the same impression, but arnt all villains ultimately victimizing the world for the pain they feel? Darth Vader lost his wife, whent to the dark side to take his hate out on others, Thaya was expelled from both the Jedi and the Sith, She formed a plan to both the Jedi and the Sith. The fact that she is wrong and wounded but is convinced she is right is what makes her interesting.

I always thought she spoke forever

@DaybreakJones

8 жыл бұрын

haha xD

@DoratTheKiller

13 күн бұрын

LMAO. I love her, but that's true

Tbh I think they made kreia out to be just a sad, angry and lonely character that truly wanted everything to die to prove her "points and logics" about the politics and decisions of sith and jedi.

@jrobcc

7 жыл бұрын

"Do you think I seek the death of all living things? There is no victory in such things.". She never wanted everybody dead, but the force itself. She saw it as a machiavelic force, controlling both jedi and sith. She blame the Force for the flaws both sides have.

@rhysdavies8415

7 жыл бұрын

But everything is touched by the force whether they/it know it or not. This is how destructive here beliefs go in her quest for control over her own life and how she has lost all love for herself.

@jrobcc

7 жыл бұрын

You're right, but she didn't intented to the entire galaxy to die. And everyone is indeen touched by the force, in everything that is alive, not just jedi or sith. She wanted them deafened to the force. Unable to listen to it, to be affected by its echoes. Who knows what would everyone's reaction would be to that, but not death. Just a galaxy with no jedi and no sith, and to her believes, no war waged by the Force itself.

@TheSkully343

7 жыл бұрын

Normal people unattuned to the Force would likely be okay given that they don't rely upon it to the same extent the Jedi or Sith do.

@jrobcc

7 жыл бұрын

True. For a force user, being able to feel it in every thing in the galaxy makes you have a different perspective. Kreia saw a truth in the Force, once that no Jedi or Sith ever saw before. She did not wanted to kill everyone but the Force itself

I hated Kreia after this!

This is what America is now.

@DoratTheKiller

13 күн бұрын

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