using only Metronome was a meaningful way of saying "with the way you guys fumbled this tournament, we might as well just have relied on luck and not our skills"

@hanszimmer2412

Жыл бұрын

Even though the use of metronome was a very good way to represent the whole mess of preeliminaries, it was a huge risk for these 4 players to ridicule such a huge company. If TPC would have seen fit, the consequences could have been much worse for these 4 players.

@AB-ee5tb

Жыл бұрын

Our *genned pokemon 😂😂😂

@IsabellaCV

Жыл бұрын

​@@AB-ee5tbah yeah, because you can gen pokemon anytime you see fit within a tournament. Super smart

@TrixterTheFemboy

Жыл бұрын

@@AB-ee5tb What?

@M1sterE321

Жыл бұрын

​@@hanszimmer2412 Why? There was never any ban on using Metronome.

Wolfey needs to hold a Metronome only tournament in solidarity.

@jasonkeith2832

Жыл бұрын

It would be fun, but he probably couldn't do it without risking his future in competitive pokemon.

@scooter9537

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonkeith2832 i think wolfey brings way more brand value to comp pokemon then anyone else but also its tpc so they are the stupidest mfs in gaming

@MightyRicardoWarrior

Жыл бұрын

I will do the metronome only battles,I will just have to get a lot of Pokémon who can learn metronome

@inactivechristine

Жыл бұрын

hosting this on april fools day would be amazing lol

@professorannefaire7233

Жыл бұрын

​@@noinfo1018 Dunkey could have said the same thing for Riot and he was permabanned

man it sure would be a shame if more players started using metronome teams to protest against the ways tpc divisions manage their awful systems.

@nb_oovanboi7750

Жыл бұрын

imagine the whole worlds just became a metronome battle

@SERMareep2007

Жыл бұрын

​@@nb_oovanboi7750 That would be goofy af but tbh i would love to see that

@Defaultnoobisme

Жыл бұрын

@@nb_oovanboi7750 there should actually be like a fun tournament where people just use metronome

@El_Kanto

Жыл бұрын

⁠@@DefaultnoobismePeople (including Wolfe) have actually already done that: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hYaGrsSfgMLUf5c.html

@scoutbane1651

Жыл бұрын

@@Defaultnoobisme There already has been lol wolfey did one in gen 8. Or at least participated I dont really remember tbh

The most disgusting thing about this whole issue is that TPC Korea cited inappropriate conduct or images as why these players were disqualified. That is the sort of thing that can come back in a background check or a google search down the line, and could genuinely cause loss of opportunity for the players in the future. It feels very intentional that, at a glance, a person could misunderstand what happened as genuine wrong doing by the players

@psyxypher3881

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that's just life. Happens in anything remotely political all the time.

@newp0rt

10 ай бұрын

yeah they made sure to make it sound as worse as possible. inappropriate conduct and harm to other players sounds SO SO SO much worse than "picked metronome because of bad ruling" lmao i honestly HATE this. i hate it so much. such scum behavior.

@soundaholixx

10 ай бұрын

The word for that is Corruption.

Thank you Wolfe, for shedding light on the issue. The informations you've discussed are all true and even the assumptions you've made were right. Other asian regions like Singapore and HK are also suffering from their respective terrible circuit this year, and I believe players deserve better. Let's hope this is the start of much better to come.

@batata2818

Жыл бұрын

We all hope with you!!!

@ave_maria323

Жыл бұрын

Hope so too tbh

@parasgupta8411

Жыл бұрын

As an fellow asian player i feel you man

@logan8708

Жыл бұрын

❤

@El_Kanto

Жыл бұрын

You guys are awesome! I would've never heard of the state of things over in Korea if you hadn't taken this risk, so I'm glad this is gaining traction. Let's hope your protest leads to a positive change for the community.

It would have been extremely embarrassing for TPC if their grand finals was a protest metronome battle. Big respect for the players.

@autobotstarscream765

Жыл бұрын

Only embarrassing for them if they're killjoy control freaks! If it was run by people who love the game, they would applaud the absolute basedness. #NoFunAllowed #WhyDidTPCdoThis

@orangeaurora

Жыл бұрын

that they had to cancel the finals means that their protest was a success, despite them losing their spot at worlds. if i was in their position where i beat the same 4-5 players 2 times in a row with best of 1 closed teamsheet, and THAT qualified me for worlds, i honestly wouldnt even mind. at least one of those 4 probably thought they didnt even earn a worlds spot considering how dog the original qualifiers were

@darkmetal2412

Жыл бұрын

As a spectator it would've been so fun to watch through. It's not everyday you get to see gimmicky team in the finals. At least as far as I remember

@Muhahahahaz

11 ай бұрын

@@autobotstarscream765exactly! Can you imagine how many people (who wouldn’t otherwise care) would tune in just to watch the Metronome spam? 😂 They take themselves way too seriously, and literally just cut off their nose to spite their face

@iandean1112

11 ай бұрын

Reminds me of the "Free Melee" when Splatoon players wouldn't let it die to where they had to cancel the tourney

Okay, so: - Pokemon Korea runs an awful event and says thats going to be the format next year - Finalists all lock in Metronome-only - They are disqualified and the reason is obfuscated as long as possible, then they say "Don't protest us!" Sounds like Pokemon Korea is, uh, pretty awful. They have the power, but they're about the worst choice to wield it. Hopefully their leadership is chastised by TPC for this, as opposed to shutting down further event

@dislexyc

Жыл бұрын

Looking at how riot Korea is, I'm not hopeful at all

@ergonomics_of_flatulence

Жыл бұрын

this is such a shitshow I expected kespa to be involved

@3ftninja132

Жыл бұрын

Yep, sounds like Korea. Hypocrisy upon dictatorship.

@erikbell1723

Жыл бұрын

Korea takes saving face very seriously, so this probably won’t help them much

@spencerhallead725

Жыл бұрын

we go to the same college

It would be more fun to see Metronome in worlds than Regieleki clicking Electroweb

The fear of backlash, not progress, is a very real one, but I think that the global community supporting those incredibly brave players is huge for preventing that. It's harder for TPCK to just punish that handful of players and sweep it all under the rug with hundreds of thousands of eyes from all over the world on them.

@xaropevic7918

Жыл бұрын

They did worse and the game still selled millions as if all was under the rug...

@sammydray5919

Жыл бұрын

​@@xaropevic7918 I agree with your sentiments regarding the game but this situation is quite a bit different my guy

@dd7896

Жыл бұрын

I think the issue with that is that, while it's thousands of eyes from all over the world on them, those eyes don't matter. Pokemon tournaments are a loss of money, that's for certain. If 100.000 people stop buying Pokemon products, because VGC tournaments stop, that's what? 6 Million every year for 100.000 copies of a game sold at 60$? Do tournaments in general cost 6 Million a year? I could easily see it being higher, but I have no idea. Companies don't care about feelings or their image, they care about how much players feelings and the image of the company affect the amount of profit that can be generated. If somebody who gets paid to determine how much money is being generated through tournaments, marketing and similar decides that a certain marketing strategy, e.g. VGC tournaments, is not creating any profit, or even loss, they will stop using that marketing strategy. Yes the VGC community is large, but is it large enough to matter for a company that sells over 10 million copies of a game within three days of releasing it? I too believe that it's a bit of an irrational fear, since I believe TPC wants to keep marketing a competitive side to their family friendly video game, to keep the goal of being "the very best", but I don't believe that straight up unfairly cancelling VGC tournaments, DQing players for awful reasons and ignoring any kind of criticism would hurt the pockets of TPC very much. People are still gonna buy the new Pokemon game. The community who knows about these things is already small compared to the entire online community. And the part of the community who would stop supporting TPC by buying their products is only a fraction of the people who know about it. I hope changes happen, especially because I hope that somebody inside TPC and TPCK sees these things happen and finds them unjust and awful. But I don't believe the amount of publicity these things will get will be large enough to truly matter. That being said, let's hope I'm wrong about that part.

@xaropevic7918

Жыл бұрын

@@dd7896 And I doubt that ALL vgc community would stop buying it, even when there is an embargo, especially when it is made by a community on their own, rarely it will be massive, and pokémon was already a proof of that since a long time

@ArtisChronicles

Жыл бұрын

​@@xaropevic7918 True they probably wouldn't all stop since it could mean they have a chance in the spotlight. Though it would make VGC an even bigger loss than it already is. At the end of the day it doesn't matter much.

Nintendo when they walk into a piano recital (there are too many metronomes)

@brianwalsh1339

Жыл бұрын

I dunno if Nintendo is to blame for this one tbh

@TopOfAllWorlds

Жыл бұрын

Nintendo isn't even the sole owner of TPC, let alone TPC Korea. The Pokemon Company is owned by Creatures Inc., Game Freak, and Nintendo. The Pokemon Company (TPC for short) then owns it's subsidiarys TPC International, TPC Korea, etc.. In short you *not only* are blaming one company of three that have ownership of TPC. You are blaming one that is *twice removed* from this situation. This is the sorta the equivalent of blaming Microsoft for Doom's Developers screwing over Mick Gordan but even worse.

@Jagowire

Жыл бұрын

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@Jagowire

Жыл бұрын

​@@brianwalsh1339 2

@TheOnlyBootlegger

Жыл бұрын

you don't use a met at your recital

It’s actually worse than Wolfey has made it seem. 5 days later, an article states that all the protesting players ended up getting perma-banned from the TPCK circuit. They can’t play in Korea anymore. Another reason said that there was collusion between the players and that hacked Pokémon were being used. You (Wolfey) even get a mention in the article for a tweet about TPCK not listening and essentially saying to players “shut up or face the consequences”. I do hope the disqualified players can somehow end up playing again, most likely in a different circuit as to avoid this cluster 🦆 of a format.

@dekusi1857

9 ай бұрын

i'm giggling at "cluster duck"

As a musician I was really confused at first until I remembered that Metronome is not only a device to keep a steady tempo but also a Pokemon move.

@Pablo360able

Жыл бұрын

It's also a battle item that nobody uses even on gimmick sets.

@gyroninjamodder

Жыл бұрын

since the thumbnail and title were not pokemon related I thought people were using metronomes to time inputs for combos in some fighting game

@JDLong006

Жыл бұрын

​@@Pablo360ableI mean if Fury Cutter was 100% accurate...

@1stCallipostle

Жыл бұрын

​@@Pablo360ableI feel like it's seen usage on a couple mons over time, but that might just be in singles

@Pablo360able

Жыл бұрын

@@1stCallipostle yeah I think mons that already want to spam one attacking move like Fury Cutter do it but that strategy is so transparent that it's rare to begin with

The general consensus(in Korean pokemon communities I am a part of that is, I'm Korean btw) is that the pokemon company korea ruined the tournament by rolling out a shitty format. The competition was an online best of 1 with closed team sheet, which is bad in several ways. 1. Some players took advantage of the relative anonymity that comes with an online tournament. They used multiple accounts/identities to fix matches or get more shots at getting top cut. The pokemon company says not to do this but they do not enforce this like at all. Either because they can't or won't, both situations are pretty bad in different ways rip. This isn't necessarily the company's fault but is still infuriating since this could have been prevented with in person tournaments. I think the fact that there are in person tournaments for the TCG as well as various pop up store events makes the lack of in person tournaments for vgc more pronounced, which makes people more angry(sure makes me angry). 2. Bo1 no team sheet is as wolfey says incredibly luck oriented. Also they technically fixed the issue where you fight the same player over and over again but due to the relatively low number of players(150), if you play as soon as you finish a game there was a not 0 chance of playing the same player again. 3. As with most of the world, the pokemon ip really got a boost during covid. This sparked a huge number of new pokemon related merch to be released in Korea and the TCG was so popular that products were sold out in seconds online. Even a child could see that the pokemon company was raking in money in Korea in recent years. The fact that this tournament was so buggy and so low effort made players think that the company didn't care about the players/consumers at all and only cared about making money

@geoffbannister8373

Жыл бұрын

Could you please inform me of a decent community of Korean Pokemon players online? I've been in Korea for 3 years but haven't really engaged with the netizens. Looking to practice my Korean and maybe trade some 'mons :-)

@candyneige6609

Жыл бұрын

I imagine that the Pokémon Company Korea is run by someone related to Kim Jong-Un.

@theapexsurvivor9538

Жыл бұрын

​@@candyneige6609 wrong Korea

@candyneige6609

Жыл бұрын

@@theapexsurvivor9538 Actually, it's the correct one.

@SeisoYabai

11 ай бұрын

​@@candyneige6609What are you smoking and can I have some??

Like you said, its really brave IMO. having a shot to be the best Pokemon player and to win a great tournament, but choosing to use that chance to bring up a problem is really awesome

@autobotstarscream765

Жыл бұрын

#WhyDidTPCdoThis

@JayceCH.

Жыл бұрын

No, the brave part is that it risks losing official sponsored VGC events for Korea.

The funny thing is that I am sure that a surprise Metronome format would actually have made the finals pretty unique. Too bad sticks had to be up asses.

@autobotstarscream765

Жыл бұрын

Some Pokémon are beasts with Metronome, TPCK are just Mega Ultra _Haters._ #WhyDidTPCdoThis #MakePokemonGreatAgain #NoFunAllowed

I'm only referencing TPCi as "Big Pikachu" from now on.

The point about VGC being a "Marketing Expense" I completely agree with, same with TCG/Go etc.. Nintendo / TPC are notorious for not responding to any form of criticism and they just stay silent and ride it out. They don't feel like a game company anymore. It's all just run by lawyers and bean counters... There's no soul left in Pokemon.

@Lambeaux0

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. At a certain point I feel like higher ups at Nintendo and investors are going to HAVE to step in since in a bigger picture, Pokemon has probably one of the least healthy public relations images of a franchise even close to this scale, between delays, quality of product, and just general badness in pretty much every aspect of the franchise. It may still be a while but at a certain point your business starts losing value as customers fade off, the connection to the brand fades, and you open up room for competitors. You don't want to lose your biggest cash cow because of mismanagement and laziness and I think Pokemon has been going down that path for years now.

@Arcavi0us

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, Nintendo has little to do with the pokemon company nowadays. Official tournaments for VCG are purely ran by TPC, same with anything related to PTCG

@tomwantshelp

Жыл бұрын

Nintendo is one third of the Pokémon Company…

@hunbi1875

Жыл бұрын

It's crazy how moronic you are. You put the issues you have with the legal team on people who have nothing to do with said legal team. The companies aren't "run by lawyers." You nonce. Nevermind the fact that this issue has basically nothing to with Nintendo. It's a small part of TPC

@Ryodraco

Жыл бұрын

If they've been known for poor public relations all along, then I would say it's not an issue of them losing "soul," rather it's a long existing problem that has become more obvious over time.

It's insane that the pokemon co can run a tournament with prizes, disqualify a winner after a stage, and then refuse to explain why. Seems borderline illegal for them to not be transparent.

@hanszimmer2412

Жыл бұрын

Sadly its the common way actually. Big companies like TPC can pretty much do everything regarding their tournaments and rules even without much communication.

@daphenomenalz4100

Жыл бұрын

It's a japanese company, the companies there aren't transparent at all lmao

@DharmaPunk111

Жыл бұрын

Corporations doing something illegal? They make the laws, nothing they do is illegal. Sad but true.

@hanszimmer2412

Жыл бұрын

They make the laws and rules and players accept them ;)

@Robotmudkip99

Жыл бұрын

@@hanszimmer2412 I don’t think this is a good example of that as the other players protested against it .

I’m surprised TPCK is digging in their heels on a system that is so obviously bad. I would hope this leads to a change in both the leadership of TPCK, and the tournament format/organization in TPCK and TPCJ

@dislexyc

Жыл бұрын

Won't happen, riot Korea is equally brain dead

@kiwi40238

Жыл бұрын

You think they care?

I think scrapping the finals and banning the champs creates more publicity on how badly you messed up rather than just having finals with all Metronome.

The Pokémon Company Korea: *disrespect players* Players: *disrespect it back* The Pokémon Company Korea: *Surprised Pikachu Face*

@Muhahahahaz

11 ай бұрын

Lmao, that’s perfect 😂

Good on the players for their solidarity with Blue (was that his name?). Disqualifying a player without a reason given is an awful way to treat someone, let alone one of the top Korean players. I respect them for taking a stand together, rather than trying to make a gain from another player being disqualified without a reason.

@matthewbreen1951

Жыл бұрын

Blue is the reason the one player specifically chose a BLUE Florges, FYI.

@carquest3748

Жыл бұрын

Using only metronome is using randomness to determine the result of the battle, this is very clearly against the rules

@JACpotatos

10 ай бұрын

​@@carquest3748how?

@carquest3748

10 ай бұрын

@@JACpotatos rule 5.4.43 says you aren't allowed to determine the match by random means. If you and your opponent only use metronome, the only factor is luck and not skill.

@JACpotatos

10 ай бұрын

@@carquest3748 tbh.... There's very little skill involved in Pokemon anyways with all the RNG. The most important part is just making a team. Even with metronome, your team is going to play a fairly big role.

Pokémon better not mess up French nationals. We’d be looking at more than a metronome protest, that’s for sure - Definitely gonna see full guillotine teams

@dogwalker1896

Жыл бұрын

Lmao

@SERMareep2007

Жыл бұрын

Now this is a funny joke

@brettluicana6814

Жыл бұрын

Might call it the Pokémon renaissance

@Arcavi0us

Жыл бұрын

Dude full guillotine/OHKO teams would be crazy for France

@shinigamimiroku3723

Жыл бұрын

DEWIT

I actually heard about the issues with the Japan tournament from Taiwanese players who also faced the same issues and were unhappy as well. All 3 tournaments used the same format with the same bugs and caused a lot of unnecessary hassle. TPC Taiwan also sent out in person event invites 3 days prior to the actual event, which led to many people not even seeing the email in time to respond or prepare let alone travel. Now hearing about the issues in Korea too it seems that TPC subsidiaries in Pacific Asia are really mismanaged and disrespectful towards players and dismissive of their concerns, which is really disappointing and saddening.

I understand that this is serious but calling TPC "Big Pikachu" is very funny

If TPC care so much about their brand image, they NEED to learn from this past year. Buggy and unfinished game, multiple on-stream issues with the game, and now the whole Asian Circuit is busted because of the game's issues and the response has been either awful or a mixed bag. I wouldn't be surprised if more protests happen, especially if more issues arise AND Worlds just happens to be in Japan this year, creating the perfect opportunity to make the Korean, Japanese, and other Asian player's feelings known, without a doubt, to Big Pika.

@tatri292

Жыл бұрын

Combined with the sudden change in regulation, I have a feeling this is the most controversies they'll have in a long time. If this doesn't spark changes nothing will. On that note an eastern company having better NA support might be a new one.

@CommanderWiggins

Жыл бұрын

This is a serious situation but Big Pika is so funny to me, I'm going to start calling TPC Big Pika.

Huge respect for taking this as seriously as you have

When I clicked on this video, I wasn't sure if they were disqualified for the move, the item, or a real life Metronome

@thomasgerhart4333

Жыл бұрын

Now I want to see pro players showing up to the tournaments with real life Metronomes instead of Pokemon Plushies as the next stage of the protest.

@drunkshinx

Ай бұрын

@@thomasgerhart4333thats a great idea, imagine grand finals and both players pull out a metronome

Thanks for raising this issue, really appreciate it. I am a new SEA VGC player who got into VGC in S/V because of content creators such as you, and managed to make it through the preliminary rounds. However, so much is left to be desired of the qualification format. An online event + BO1 + single elimination means all the prep work done can simply be undone very quickly due to poor RNG, poor matchups and not necessarily by skill. Also, being purely online means should you exit early, there's really nothing else to do e.g. interact with other like-minded ppl, enjoy the atmosphere etc. And if TPC really wants to grow the Asia VGC community, I think getting like minded people from across Asia to interact with each other in-person will really go a long way in achieving this goal. Given how terrible the format is, plus the tournament was actually in conflict with my real-life commitments, it was an easy decision for me to withdraw prior to the tournament on Saturday. I just hope this incident do shine a light on how inferior the qualification format is for Asian VGC players, and hope there is an improvement to the format post-Yokohama. (i.e. in-person events across Asia)!

Meanwhile in SEA we are having bo1 online single elimination tournament. On top of that, we were given last minute announcement regarding the application and the format of the event via email,(the last email was sent at 9pm before the tour and we were required to reply before 12am), which caused multiple players to miss out the registration. Not to mention the responses from their side regarding the format were also inconsistent .Some players were told that the format will be conducted in OTS but in fact it was CTS, causing such disadvantages in teambuilding. It's a shame that that's the ONLY chance we have to qualify for World

@wyattakatsuki891022

Жыл бұрын

Same here~ I'm from Malaysia and was qualified for the Malaysia Regional Championship on 3rd June, went through the preliminaries at Top 16. However, I was shocked to note that its BO1 + Single Elimination + closed team sheet for such big official event for Malaysians. To make things worse, I woke up very early morning (7am) in order to go to a location that has better and stable internet connection, so that I would not have to worry about disconnection shenanigan, just because the organizer said that the briefing would start at 9am and the tournament at 10am. However, the 1st round of the tournament keep delaying and I'm only able to start 1st round at 12pm, which is ridiculous and unbelievable. And waiting while doing nothing during those 5 hours is mentally exhausting to me, which in the end I lose the 1st round. Seeing all these Korea & Taiwan VGC bullshits that could be avoided if TPC had done their job properly, while in Malaysia there's no sign or lack of support over Korean or VGC fellow players really make my passion towards VGC and competitive tournament spiraling down fast

@brandonchia499

Жыл бұрын

@@wyattakatsuki891022 Yeap if you are not capable of hosting a tournament just hand it back to TPCI, I'm pretty sure the players will be more willing to pay for a overpriced entry and travelling fees than a shitty structure and management.

Maybe we as fans should look for more ways to include Metronome into more of our continued complaints with Pokémon as a whole. As Wolfe said, Metronome is a classy way to protest, and I'd argue it's very fitting for most issues we face. The concept of Metronome is fun! But more often than not it results in unfavorable or arguably neutral (at best) results. Metronome is one thing when it's an occasional tactic. But when all you have is the unreliability inherent to Metronome, it can get extremely frustrating incredibly quick. It just doesn't work if you don't take some time approach Pokémon in a different way. It can't be the primary way you engage with Pokémon. There's so many other fantastic ways to enjoy Pokémon, but many of them are more-or-less impossible if you insist on Metronome as the key experience. Replace "Metronome" with "having core Pokémon games come out quickly" and I think that mostly lines up with the experience of many Pokémon fans. How many people have said Game Freak needs to take an extra year or two so they can breathe? Even from a more financial angle, a lot of the key components of Pokémon's success (like, say, the actual creature designs) come directly from the people there, so it's important to not suffocate them. Returning to the original point, if we as fans are able to make Metronome a symbol of our discontents, I believe we could make good use of it. Clefairy was one of the original candidates to be Pokémon's mascot, so surely TPC would recognize the significance if we were to make it the face of disgruntled older fans, tired of the increasing number of ways Metronome can conjure up trouble.

*Plot twist:* There was no intro because Wolfey uses Metronome to generate his intros and it decided to give him the equivalent of Splash today.

I have several Korean friends, and they have all expressed their anger about this situation to me. I like to think pokemon really cares about their community a lot and wouldn't do something like this, this is certainly the most extreme thing I've ever seen. If it's something that just Nintendo would do, that makes more sense. But it being just Game Freak without any Nintendo interference doesn't feel right.

@derekschmidt9436

Жыл бұрын

You talk so fast!

@wunderpuma4453

Жыл бұрын

I think you severally overestimate how much gamefreak cares about their community. Legends of Arceus still looks like its 2015 game even though it came out in 2022 lol

@themonsoon117

Жыл бұрын

@@wunderpuma4453 2015? More like 2004.

@arozin6773

Жыл бұрын

@@wunderpuma4453 GTA 5 Came out in 2013, so try 2005.

@serpentmaster1323

Жыл бұрын

@@wunderpuma4453 I agree with your first sentence, but the second sentence in my opinion doesn’t support it. You’re acting like a more significant portion of a game’s value is its graphics than it really is, and no game proves this better than S/V wich in some markets still hold the fastest selling switch title over tears of the kingdom. And you assert that game freak not putting their all into this particular element is indicative of how much they care about their audience when that’s far from the most likely cause of the issue->rushing a brand new gameplay format out by a hard deadline. So you really invalidated your own comment, at least for me.

The Korean equivalent of 'Metronome' is '손가락 흔들기', which means 'Finger Swinging'. Y'all know which finger did we swing.

I was a player in the tcg many many moons ago (circa 2008-2012). One of the big reasons that Pokémon held and still holds such a prominent spot in my heart and life is how the player base is so supportive and most of the time very healthy. Seeing things like this protest makes me very happy, because even the top players are still fighting to try to enjoy the game, even with pretty major stakes. Players acting like this is why competitive Pokémon is such a major deal and why it is continuing to grow. I hope that the community is and continues to be as welcoming and positive as I remember it being all those years ago.

If one person in a group is being persecuted, then I feel like solidarity is the move. Can't be scared of the offending party's reaction.

To be fair it's always the Korean branch of Game companies that tend to have the worst response to any mess-ups on their end, not stereotyping but they tend to prove their own track records having a zero tolerance policy towards players who speak out against unfavorable actions that would negatively impact the community as a whole. That's just my two cents on it seeing what happening now and what has already happened in the years prior.

@MarkTheShadow

Жыл бұрын

Yeah they do have that track record now that I think about it 🤣

I did a whole playthrough with only Metronome and if you have the guts to use it competitively, then you should be able to in my opinion. Don't put it in the game if you don't want people to use it to clown on you.

@hanszimmer2412

Жыл бұрын

Pretty much any big gaming company or sports federation would have done the same: disqualified or banned their players for ridiculing the tournament. Its probably the least a company would do in regard of the situation. If TPC wanted to, the consequences could have been much worse than a disqualification.

@gogogo123454321

Жыл бұрын

⁠​⁠@@hanszimmer2412 It’s a legitimate strategy though, as opposed to actual protests in real life sports. Do you work for TPC or something? You sure 🍆-ride them like you do

@Junya01

Жыл бұрын

@@hanszimmer2412 the tournament itself was a ridicule to the tournament. Can’t make a joke of something if it wasn’t serious to begin with

@hanszimmer2412

Жыл бұрын

@@Junya01 You totally are right with your first sentence there. But TPC can take offense in players breeching their tournament rules and declare this as casuing harm to the company. The company easely coulld speak out a law suit for breeching tournament rules and terms of service, for ridiculing the company and causing harm, since all players agreed and signed to not do this.

@kenkaneki6969_

Жыл бұрын

@@hanszimmer2412 Nobody's saying they don't have the right to do this, but realize we have the right to call them stupid and clown on them as much as possible as well. Also we can hold our own tournaments instead of going to VGC events (which we do)

Wolfe, your videos are amazing. I find competitive battle strategy and your Pokémon knowledge so interesting but I never have battled competitively and have no idea of rules. You are by FAR the best KZreadr explaining competitive battling. You could talk about white paint and make it something I learn from. Thanks for the awesome content that actually brings value to the viewer!

Wolfe please hold a tournament with metronome only Pokémon and invite these players to participate!!

@localnekonia6830

Жыл бұрын

Go to Korea and find them for him

@VenoMantis

Жыл бұрын

@@localnekonia6830 on it, boss

The disconnection issue is absurd. I played in the Philippine qualifiers and I had experienced disconnections, both from me due to my bad internet and the opponent. The disconnection would either count it as my loss or not count it at all, never favorable to me, which is annoying. I've had like 2 out of those 10 games where I was winning and the game disconnected, leading to a no-win count.

In the South East Asia tournaments, it’s even worse because of how TPC does their online tournaments. People can literally cheat their way because of the Disconnection rule in which if an opponent disconnects, they can play the game again until a 2nd disconnect or sth like that, it’s so bad that despite players providing evidence of opponent’s disconnecting on purpose, TPC still allows them to play…

I was not aware of this. Thank you Wolfe for sharing g this information with your subscribers. Hopefully things get better 🤞🏽

They literally wagged a finger at Pokémon Company Korea 😂

if tpc refuses to hold events or treat players with respect because people call them out for their mistakes, or if they refuse to fix a broken system that they've chosen to have responsibility for, tell all the korean players to come play showdown because smogon actually care about their players and do everything they can to create an accessible platform for people all over the world to enjoy playing competitive pokemon together

@autobotstarscream765

Жыл бұрын

It's getting to the point where the only way to save Pokémon may be to pirate/emulate and hack all Pokémon games. Kotaku had it backwards, buy Zelda and Metroid Dread while saving your money for them by pirating all of Pokémon's games and boycotting official purchases of (at least) the main series. 🏴‍☠️ #WhyDidTPCdoThis #MakePokemonGreatAgain #EmulateAllPokemonGames

@martonyomchale342

Жыл бұрын

This comment has to be a joke. Showdown isn't legit, and why would anyone play a format where over a dozen Pokemon are banned from use. Rapid Strike Urshifu is a problem? Like get real.

@autobotstarscream765

Жыл бұрын

@martonyomchale342 This is what Smogonites actually believe, also that Weather (especially Rain) is OP, so ofc a Rain sweeper that breaks all anti-sweep defenses with Rain-boosted multi-hits got banned.

@martonyomchale342

Жыл бұрын

@@autobotstarscream765 No. I'm a mono-Water player. I've used Rapid Strike Urshifu since gen 8. Soft set for Jolly female and everything. I need two turns of set up with bulk up to sweep and sometimes I got walled. And then you have Pokemon that are special sweepers and outspeed. Those are the breaks. Even with Swords Dance and TailBlaze I can still be swept, or outspeed. Those are the breaks. I don't call for Amongus, Rillaboom, or Regieleki to be banned because they stop my mono water team. I just say those are the breaks and adapt.

@autobotstarscream765

Жыл бұрын

@martonyomchale342 Mono-Water is different from a normal Rain team though, I feel like monotype is more skillful in general whereas normal Rain is gonna do stuff like use the Amoonguss to stall with the help of the Rain mitigating one of its weaknesses.

Coming from an Australian PTCG player, I really hope it gets better for you guys playing over in Japan & Korea. Had the pleasure of meeting some great people at OCE Internationals this year so hoping you guys see some improvement

“Real YouTubists, talk about ethics, of using luck moves as a viable stra-te-gy”

@NerdySatyr

Жыл бұрын

Sentences you can hear

@sharalakid

Жыл бұрын

​@@NerdySatyrlol

@abarette_

Жыл бұрын

@@NerdySatyr "eel ducts" I can fucking hear it

@sharalakid

Жыл бұрын

Wolfe: doesn't make an intro Karsow: "fine, I'll do it myself"

@autobotstarscream765

Жыл бұрын

Prankster Mixed Attacker Grimmsnarl with Screens + Spirit Break + Metronome is a legit omnicoverage offensive support Paladin of a Pokémon.

“How I reached rank 1 using Metronome” would be an absolute banger video

Not surprised about the disqualification, too but Id say the protest successfully got out there as a result.

Bonus wolfie content id my favorite content because its usually just how it is, straight up facts and thoughts. I hope TPC steps up their game, in VGC ruling AND game development.

Lol I love how you explain things. It's basically the same way i do to try to get people to understand and you nail that bro!! Please keep pumping out content all your stuff is a totally hit in my opinion!!!!?

17:10 it's ok Wolfey, you can say Verlisify

Glad to see probably the biggest name in vgc bringing some attention to this. I woulda loved to see the metronome cup though

Singapore has also had issues over the past weekend, I've heard similar stories from SEA friends about people abusing disconnects to rig matches. It's really depressing honestly, we deserve so much better :(

Alternate title: Pokémon players in Korea wag their finger at the Pokémon Korea company

very informative video! love just hearing you explain and talk about pokémon! should definitely come back out with more podcast episodes on Pokémon Perspectives!

I wasn’t aware the divisions of The Pokémon Company operated so differently from one another. I had assumed that on a global scale the standards and rules of tournaments would be the same, especially with Worlds itself being held under The Pokémon Company International’s rules. I wonder if that’s why Worlds has never been held in Japan until this year? In any case I’m really proud of those players. Risking everything to stand up for their competitor because they knew it wasn’t right. I hope the bylaws of tournaments get changed so there can be no disqualification without an explanation. Otherwise they could DQ people for nothing, or to make sure their favorite to win (presumably for advertising reasons) gets the champion title.

@user-kh7zf

9 ай бұрын

It's not really a surprise that those divisions operate independently. In Yu-Gi-Oh (Konami-owned), they not only have different standards and formats for tournaments, they have separate release schedules for new sets, and most importantly separate banlists between the TCG (International) and OCG (Japan, Korea, some other parts of East Asia). And that's not a difference of a card or two, it's an entirely different philosophy of game balance. And apparently their World Championship uses a third special banlist that basically becomes some weird mix of both official banlists.

BonusWolfe is peak vibes

Thanks Wolfey. I might not have gotten away with the exact info I wanted (what about the move was illegal), but I still came out with some understanding of the situation.

I really really appreciate this perspective. So often we get into a discourse of whether some collective action is fundamentally moral or immoral and then you have to be either for protesting or anti-protesting ever. But actions don’t happen in a vacuum. We should be able to have a conversation on the viability of some action and whether it’s a sensible use of our time, not just whether or not it’s acceptable. I’m obviously talking about things a little bit larger in scope than a Pokémon tournament, but it’s still refreshing to hear you say it. They were in the right regardless of whether it was or was not an effective idea.

Im sad this was cancelled. Metronome only Korean world finals sounds like a circus😂

as someone who is just getting into competitive I respect it and I hope things change

“If sejun park says you messed up, you messed up.” Y’all already know that’s true.

Thanks for making this video to inform all of us that don't use Twitter and only learn news like this from KZread

Hearing "the pachirisu world champion" makes me wonder what would happen if every world champion got one pokemon as a honorary title. :-D

@xaropevic7918

Жыл бұрын

That would be very cool ngl

Love these vids, takes me back to sword & shield era

metronome battles are fun to watch

Had no idea this happened. Thank you for sharing the context

disqualified for using an intentional game mechanic in an intentional way is wild

This type of protesting really needs to happen during Worlds for TPC to care. I have to admit that Metronome's animation being used as the closest thing to a middle finger is very clever, but they could take it a step further and there are many things they could use to protest. Justified ability on all Pokémon + useless moves. Especially Lucario, since it gets Justified and Metronome. Having something like Helping Hand or Uproar as the only move. Also, any Pokémon that cannot learn Metronome, can still hold the Metronome item. Having just one move, that is also counterproductive, such as Heal Pulse. Fun strategies such as Funbro could get their chance to shine here. Trick or Switcheroo as the only move, while holding the Metronome item.

wow I didn't know about all this! I do truly hope tpci can change things in those regions

Thank you for your efforts

Wolfe hair on absolute point

as a wise man once said, "nobody hates nintendo fans more than nintendo"

@g.williams2047

Жыл бұрын

Another wise man said “It’s always right to pirate Nintendo games”

@SERMareep2007

Жыл бұрын

Nintendo didnt do anything here

@Gettenhart

Жыл бұрын

​@@SERMareep2007it literally says on dq reasons"[...] That Nintendo Co ltd finds inappropriate" how delusional can nintendrones be

@mimipeahes5848

Жыл бұрын

@@Gettenhart you’re literally just wrong. It’s pokemon company korea. the people shutting down your emulators are literally hours away and dont have fucking anything to do with vgc. They just share stock. This is basic knowledge.

Other than Japan and Korea, other Asia region did not have it going well neither, nearly every announcement TPC made were so late that we dont have enough time to register, some confirming email is even all gibberish, nobody knows what is TPC doing...

That would have been the coolest top 4 ever😂. Glad u spoke up on this!!!

We love the videos made by wolfe

shoutout to the korean vgc players, hope they help fix the problems of vgc in korea

I thought this was a music thing at first and was so confused

25:13 I don't think TPC can just stop the tournaments, as those are what keeps the core player base engaged in the long run. No tournaments = no competitive scene = no promotional content = no casual interest. Even if they keep the merchandise sales as high as they are, they'll loose a lot of customers in the worst way (aka, pissing them off so hard they'll never return), and seeing how the anime is doing, they really can't afford that.

@hanszimmer2412

Жыл бұрын

you overestimate the power or numbers of the core playerbase or competitive scene. In every video game, the competitive scene is generally a very small minoritiy and an insignificant part of the size and revenue of the company itself.

@scoutbane1651

Жыл бұрын

@@hanszimmer2412 You underestimate the power competitive scenes have on any activity. You think the sports we have would be nearly as popular if they didn't have massive casual followings for the competitive scene? I'm talking about everything from basketball with the NBA to League with its LCS. The interest in competitive scenes even from casual players is absolutely what drives a lot of sales lol

@hanszimmer2412

Жыл бұрын

@@scoutbane1651 First off, you definitely make a mistake there comparing competitive video games to classic sports. The number of competitive players plus the people interested in the competitive scene is a very small part of any video games size and revenue. The gain from tournaments and associated competitive players and the following advertisement is not even 1% of TPC. Professional esport athletes or popular gamers get banned and disqualified left and right across many different video games without much repercussion for the companies itself. And concerning classic sports: even FIFA could demand the ban of Christiano Ronaldo without batting an eye if they see fit, because it would have zero impact in the end.

@scoutbane1651

Жыл бұрын

​@@hanszimmer2412 Don't move the goalposts. You said the entire competitive scene is insignificant to the sale and size of the company. That's the point I'm disputing. I never said banning these players will make an effect on their size, but cancelling the entire competitive sphere abso-fucking-lutely would and you're just delusional if you think otherwise honestly. Even just Wolfe has 1 million subs. A single competitive player, talking about competitive. You think that doesn't affect sales or player retention? Lmfao. Obviously the two fuel each other.

@cin2110

Жыл бұрын

​​​@@hanszimmer2412 so why would company spend money and run the scene all around the globe mind you if it was useless smartass they don't want to waste money they want to make money

Seems like the korean pokemon company is just compounding their issues further and further rather than just stepping up and dealing with their initial shortcomings, i just feel bad for the players who have lost opportunities when they did nothing wrong. Also i feel like people would've been stoked to see an all metronome masters round, i know i would tune in to see how the best players in my region use crazy strategies, just seems like a loss all around.

Reading the Title I was very confsed why those Players would bring a (physical) Metronome, and why that would be considered a Problem.

Think you can reply with pokepastes of the Metronome builds? I kinda want to run them at a local

y'know what Wolfe, at least you went out of your way and put in the effort to state all the facts and details, unlike a certain other poketuber

@autobotstarscream765

Жыл бұрын

I wish that wolf and this one could bury the hatchet (somewhere _besides_ in Wolfe's back) and stand together on this one. 🐺 #WhyDidTPCdoThis #NoFunAllowed #MakePokemonGreatAgain

@DisastrousIntentionally

Жыл бұрын

Wolf has beef with somebody?

@autobotstarscream765

Жыл бұрын

@@DisastrousIntentionally Is this sarcasm, or have you never heard of Verlis and his campaign to destroy Wolfe? 🐺

@DisastrousIntentionally

Жыл бұрын

​@@autobotstarscream765 Oh, see now I remember. That shit was so deep in my brain, I genuinely didn't know what you were talking about lol Verlis still exists huh? I honestly thought they all but disappeared.

@autobotstarscream765

Жыл бұрын

@Intentional Disaster He didn't die out, discussing him or acknowledging that he ever existed was just banned from most PokéTube and competitive Pokémon discussions. As in "do not mention Verlis for any reason or you get a public warning, then a mute, and eventually banned if you keep doing it" is a literal rule of multiple streaming channels and Discord servers.

A funny thing I found about it being metronome was basically it saying "no no no." With how the finger moves from side to side lol.

Everytime when he said Big Pikachu 💀💀💀

Interesting for sure

Thank you for this video, Wolfe. I’m glad that big names in Pokémon are speaking up about this and I hope that will make TPC sit up and listen too. I love Pokémon, it has been a major part of my life almost since the day it came out (genwunner here) and it makes me sad to see what a mess this gen has been in a number of ways. The one thing that surprises me the most is the first DQ. Like you said, I highly doubt it has to do with hacked Pokémon as, iirc, Ray once brought an illegal Pokémon to a tournament (the Dream Ball Aegislash) which was acknowledged but he wasn’t punished. We all know that hacking in Pokémon does not really give you a major advantage in tournaments (like, it saves you some time, at best) so it makes sense that it wouldn’t be so heavily punished. I feel bad saying this but I think you’re right that the people spreading the rumour that it was because of hacked Pokémon have their own agenda … Anyway, the circuit system in Asia is hot garbage so I do really hope that it changes soon. And if there’s anything the rest of the world can do, then please let us know, Japanese and Korean players. We all love Pokémon and want what’s best for it.

It kinda reminds me of the league teams that agreed to Aram in middle who got in trouble. Still a wild experience all around for them. Almost wish we could all show a lil support by doing a metronome only weekend in NA for ranked or something.

MandJTV should bring back his metronome only tournament after this to help raise awareness

Shout out to Kaphotics who has been a toxic voice in making stupid genning arguments even though that has nothing to do with this situation. We need to have a conversation about how some of the community is just as nasty and unsupportive.

@aoxVGC

Жыл бұрын

Make the games have some kind of feature where you can "generate" or I guess "train" your Pokémon in game to have specific EV/IV and moves in exchange for some kinda in game currency and this issue disappears overnight

@Domin0us

Жыл бұрын

Kurt's arguments about genning ain't wrong. They are just, for once, severely misplaced.

@amazinglyshook

Жыл бұрын

@Domin0us and that's where I'm at too. His recent tweets and Reddit posts over the weekend show that all he cares about is his moral superiority complex. A mismatched memory or OT has absolutely nothing to do with this. He never should've even said anything bc now I can't take his outcries in good faith

@JayceCH.

Жыл бұрын

They are an absolute hypocritical clown with a holier than thou attitude making/contributing to PKhex while also shitting on people who use it. Honestly, they are just interested in making drama and attention seeking. Literally one of the most vile people in the Pokemon community.

@autobotstarscream765

Жыл бұрын

Kaphotics is right to make chaos for TPC, the EA of Pokémadden. At this point, it may be time to drop from all irreparably broken official Game FrEAk Pokémadden official competition, and pirate/emulate and hack all Pokémon games while moving competitive play to Showdown!, run by Smogon, who cares about the fans and competitive balance more than Game FrEAk Sports (It's Not In The Game!) _ever_ will. #WhyDidTPCdoThis #MakePokemonGreatAgain #EmulateAllPokemonGames #EmulationIsTheAnswer #EmulationIsTheFuture

you should have put this on the main channel to spread more awareness, great video otherwise

2:39 - The time when I, who was unfamiliar with your channel, learned that you were talking about Pokemon

You should make a video of you using a team of Pokémon you like just because you like them and then try to figure out how to best put them together after :)

Honestly the only backlash these players I’ve seen get, is from Kurt (the guy who made PkHex) going “lul look at all these illegal mons” and it only serves to make me laugh. Good on the players for protesting in smooth way

@ludi489

Жыл бұрын

My dude made the hacking tool and is complaining when people use it like it isn’t his fault in the first place.

well this’ll be fun

Me, getting this video randomly recommended, trying to figure out what the tournament was of:

Seriously appreciate the seriousness and accuracy of this video.

Would the item Metronome boost the power of metronome because it is the move being chosen or does it not because a diffrent move is used every time?

@WhimsicottFanatic

Жыл бұрын

As Bulbapedia phrases it: When it comes to moves that call another move [Sleep Talk, Assist, and of course, Metronome], only the move that gets called will factor in for the Metronome's counter So basically it's _monumentally_ unlikely for Metronome to get use out of the Metronome item

@necrobonesgaming2424

Жыл бұрын

@@WhimsicottFanatic but, hear me out it would be REALLY funny if that landed you a 2HKO.

BonusWolfe is back!!!