I don't hate her for literally anything but the fact that she compared features of POC to gorillas. :/ Edit: I literally not gonna fight with all y’all caping for Kooleen in the replies lmao. Engage with this discussion elsewhere.

@LACHRYMA

11 ай бұрын

SHE WHAT

@duquesagammer

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, I hope ppl are just unaware of this, and not ignoring on purpose because yikes

@LACHRYMA

11 ай бұрын

@@duquesagammer i was completely unaware of this, did she say that in a video or what??? i'm so flabbergasted wtf 😭😭

@LACHRYMA

11 ай бұрын

@@sweet_relief honestly i shouldnt be surprised i literally watched a video where she "fixed" art of a black girl by erasing her ethnic features

@LACHRYMA

11 ай бұрын

@@sweet_relief YEAH I SAW THAT

great vid, you made a lot of valid criticism while still being respectful which i appreciate ! ALSO IM NOT A MILLENNIAL 😭😭😭 do i look that old gah dam

@eiririnn

Жыл бұрын

I thought u were a younger millennial IM SORRY😭

@nocturnenix

Жыл бұрын

Aunt Kooleen? 😳

@ghirganarancia

Жыл бұрын

Old kooleen

@madiono-

Жыл бұрын

lmao

@THEBASTARDBILL

Жыл бұрын

you are at least 39? no?

i saw a reel on IG about her and other artists and the comments were full hate mostly on kooleen about her sense of humor and jokes she stablished within her community. i consume her content just because is funny and sometimes is a little bit annoying to hear juicy and smegsy but thats not a reason to HATE on her

@spadeso

Жыл бұрын

ikr, i feel like it's just very nitpicky atp

@princexyviere2244

Жыл бұрын

I never really cared about of the juicy and smegsy, her art is good, i learned a lot from her, and its fun to watch her videos. Like the only artist i watch on yt is kooleen and samdoesarts, and some other artists

@OGZelda626

Жыл бұрын

I loved Kooleen I would watch her at 3am bc that’s when she would upload for me but then she got reall popular and she just wasn’t the same anymore with her jokes too :/

@bok9596

Жыл бұрын

I just dont like her. Ive never hated on her

@paigedraws

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I only don't watch her because I don't agree with her on some things but yeah.

Her recent art of Miguel O'Hara rubbed me in such a horrifically wrong way, man has no wrinkles, huge doe eyes, and looks like a Michael

@fartlord-tw5hv

Жыл бұрын

she literally twinkifies everything💀

@Shelby.Correia

Жыл бұрын

@@fartlord-tw5hv NO UR SO RIGHT

@tivaspotato

Жыл бұрын

michael o'hara...

@Mayathethermonuclearbomb

Жыл бұрын

Micheal O’hare 💀💀💀

@The_Arsene_Guy

Жыл бұрын

Michael Hair

Shitty humor is no reason to cancel someone. Only drawing pretty people isn’t a reason to cancel someone. Because if you can’t coexist with people who have a different humor or muses, then you need to stay inside. Seriously. The only people who deserve to be canceled are people who hurt others.

@amour3849

Жыл бұрын

I think her only drawing whit ppl is strange ngl

@TheHuYao

Жыл бұрын

"I only draw beautiful people 😢😢" *proceeds to never draw fat/chubby people, black people, or anyone really, because we all know that only koreans are cute and juicyyy and smexy uhm* Also she is rude asf and her art tips are horrible

@amour3849

Жыл бұрын

@Sailor-Mars- Hi! As an artist myself, I personally try to constantly expand my skills, and I believe that favouring a race, gender or age to draw is based on subconscious or even purposeful perspectives, which should be challenged and evolved regularly. Another reason why I find it strange is how she talks about how she only draws "pretty people", and they're all white, and skinny, (which whether that is her intent or not), does seem to favour white people as "pretty" in her standards. Hope this helps!

@amour3849

Жыл бұрын

@@Cobweb_Cow Girl. Get off your high horse for a hot sec, I know what I said is my opinion, which is why I said "personally" I have been following Kooleen for a while, so don’t group me with other people who actually dislike her. I do not believe she is racist, and I don't wish to "cancel" her; I did however have concerns and addressed them (hence why I said it was "strange"). I honestly would have loved to hear your beliefs on this, but you have taken a very aggressive approach, which makes it a lot harder to effectively communicate, please try to have a more open approach in the future; thanks!

@sapphoscorner

Жыл бұрын

​@Sailor-Mars-but why can't she include darker skin people? Or plus size people? Or people with mobility aids? Or old people? Personally? If you don't want to include diversity in your art...you're very weird. "You can draw what you want" but why do you not want to draw people who aren't light skinned and skinny? Because it just weird that you wouldn't do that. Do what you wanna do but it's weird

It’s weird cause I don’t hate her, but saying not to draw ugly people and only drawing one race of people is kinda weird to me? Ofc she’s free to draw whatever, but it feels like a mean spirited piece of advice to give. I also wish beginner artist would experiment more instead of just copying her. Edit: to clarify, I am not calling her racist. However I am saying that “don’t draw ugly people” is an weird thing to say when you only draw one type of person. Of course she’s allowed to draw whatever she wants _without_ bringing others down.

@luba8244

Жыл бұрын

no fr, she says don’t draw ugly people yet mostly continues to draw white and East Asians

@spadeso

Жыл бұрын

I feel like you guys are taking that one comment too far, im pretty sure she was just joking. And yeah, i feel like she can go out of her comfort zone more instead of drawing the same race, but it's no ones place to say what she draws

@cara_lina

Жыл бұрын

@@spadeso yeah you're probably right, but I still feel like an artist well known by the internet and beginner artists should probably not make jokes like that? I don't know, but yeah she can draw whatever she wants

@spadeso

Жыл бұрын

@@cara_lina yeah, thats very true, and i do see your point. But, i feel like a lot of people are taking her too seriously.

@MinieAnne

Жыл бұрын

​@@cara_linabut that's her all online characters saying ironic stuff that should not be taking seriously

she behaves more like an influencer than an artist and: fine, whatever. but what is harmful is deeming a sketch with apparent, intentional or not, ethnic features as “gorilla looking”. what the fuck was that. she removed that bit but still haven’t addressed the issue. some of her tutorials are meh, but others are extremely harmful. redrawing a portrait of a black woman while erasing all her ethnic features, making them eurocentric & calling it “better anatomy” when she doesn’t know the first thing about it is infuriating.

@eiririnn

11 ай бұрын

Oh damn, what’s the video with the gorilla comment?

@acatwithinternetaccess9433

11 ай бұрын

@@swjpsgcyI72592hIs it the same vid where she ‘fixed’ the ethnic features on the girl??

@swjpsgcyI72592h

11 ай бұрын

@@acatwithinternetaccess9433 I think it’s not from same the video but someone please correct me if I’m wrong.

@acatwithinternetaccess9433

11 ай бұрын

@@swjpsgcyI72592h your correct! I looked it up and the gorilla comment she made is from an anime side profile tutorial and not the same fixing art video

@swjpsgcyI72592h

11 ай бұрын

@@acatwithinternetaccess9433 thank you thank you!!

Honestly, many people take her advice wayyyyy too seriously. I occasionally watch her because I like her art process and style but, the thing is that when you watch videos looking for advice don’t take it too much to heart and practically transition your art style to hers. You can take some bits and pieces here and there and apply it to your art style. Some people may not like her humor but honestly I don’t mind it. TLDR: Don’t take her too seriously and take bits and pieces of her advice and apply it to your own art instead of stealing (?) her style. 🌝

@usarolls6008

Жыл бұрын

TYSM for saying this. Literally I agree

@clouddwalkerr6077

Жыл бұрын

I enjoy her stuff and I think she's ok with humor, sure her work tends to be the same but some folks just have a particular style, hence why I follow a crap ton of other artists who have different styles. It's a rule of thumb to myself personally to never cling to one artist in order to avoid having my style morph into theirs. I never take her stuff too seriously, including her advice because there are always sarcastic undertones to it that signals to me that it shouldn't be taken to heart. But I guess I can see where it may go over the younger ones heads and they take it as law?

@mynameisuknown

Жыл бұрын

SAY IT LOUDER

@ryuuisnothere

Жыл бұрын

fr fr, there are times where I tried to basically steal her art style and it didn't turn out very good (skill issue ik) so I went back to my regular art style and just took bits and pieces of her advice to it and it was wayyyy better.

@nocturnenix

Жыл бұрын

The one thing I've adapted to my art is the JUICY lips. I admit, doing the lips juicy is pretty satisfying to me.

The thing about Koolin is that she's sardonic in a way a lot of people find it's funny. Most of the people who like her art are very early on their artistic journey, her tips are bleak, she cuts corners in a way that makes her art worse (imo) and she recognises that she doesn't know why some things work. But she brings attention to free or cheap resources useful to those who want to try digital art out and she's entertaining to listen to. She's not an art teacher, she's an entertainer who has a very specific aesthetic, and good and bad takes on art and life. She doesn't deserve to receive hate and vitriol, but there are many reasons not to like her content and that's ok. We can be critical and analytical while understanding that not everyone that says something we don't like on the internet is evil.

@chaewonsroses

Жыл бұрын

exactly!!! and you can be critical of a creator’s negative sides while still being a fan of them too (as a kooleen fan)

@clumpofdirt1193

Жыл бұрын

thank you for pointing out her art tip issues! i had one short of hers that popped up on my feed where she literally just says she doesnt know why this happens and that she just copies her reference. it was 2am when i watched it so i went to my notes app and wrote a 5 page rant explaining everything that was happening that she says she doesnt understand. a lot of the short cuts she takes and recommends to her audience arent applied properly. like her rim light tip to make her art pop literally doesnt make sense in the lighting she draws because she doesnt establish a light source before shading. she doesnt branch out in her art, drawing what can feel like the same picture over and over again. and again, i would not have an issue with her if her audience werent so impressionable and follow her like a cult. tldr: i never really liked her, but jumped on the hate train due to her pushing her poorly applied art tips on her young audience and acting like her word is gospel.

@chaewonsroses

Жыл бұрын

@@clumpofdirt1193 i believe she said in a qna that she knows she sucks and doesn’t treat her words like theyre the gospel?

@sootekken

Жыл бұрын

@@clumpofdirt1193 I kinda feel like you’re taking her content too seriously? Like it’s all harmless at the end of the day, if a kid or beginner artist is using her tips they’ll figure out what works and what doesn’t for them. Being an artist shouldn’t have rules, so why should we get so upset when someone does something in a different (albeit more difficult at times) way. People will figure it out if you give them enough time

@BigBadWolframio

11 ай бұрын

​@charizards5146 I don't really watch a lot of her content, so I have only found out about that 💀. But it checks out, she only ever "knows" how to draw that Webtoon style that has 0 anatomical or racial variety. She shouldn't be correcting anyone's anatomy, because she doesn't have the knowledge (nor the will to learn, it seems).

The way she talks about art almost as a means to an end to get likes and clout feels so weird. Especially the part about how if you want to be really good “it’ll take too much time”. As an artist, its like yea thats the point? Art is frustrating at times, but feeling your skill level grow over time and looking at how far you’ve come makes it worth it to me, at least. Also just not a good message to send your young fanbase, lol

@moonchild9797

Жыл бұрын

oh my god yes ! also i do not think "only draw attractive ppl" where attractive=Eurocentric beauty , is a good advice in the slightest.

@neomawzz

Жыл бұрын

Nah I dont think it’s too harmful

@valerialuna3598

11 ай бұрын

you guys take what she says way too seriously, she's obviously not being serious in 99% of her videos

@ilsagita5257

11 ай бұрын

​@@valerialuna3598to know that she is not serious there should be bits which tells us that she is smart and thoughtful at times .. that's how you do humour ..she just says whatever under the disguise of humour .and her viewers many a times move past it labelling as humour and not serious in order to be at ease like you...I have been watching her since last year... And sometimes she doesn't really thr has the grasp to do comedy about some part.

@valerialuna3598

11 ай бұрын

@@ilsagita5257 I'm not her follower, her shorts pop up in my recommendations from time to time and I liked some. But I do agree that she needs to think at least five times before saying anything, now thinking about it some of the things she has said are very questionable

I don’t really care about how bad her humor is. The problem is her artstyle “criticism”. She ignores people’s artstyles and edits them to fit her own. Not to mention her art tutorials don’t help with improving one’s style as she clearly makes bases them on her style.

@snail_unofficial

11 ай бұрын

In her fixing people’s art series, correct me if I’m wrong, but on the second video, she says that the title is just clickbait and it’s actually just a dtiys. Plus, for the art tutorial thing, it’s pretty well known that it is drawn in her style, like nobody’s looking at her at and going “ah yes, this is anatomically correct.” Her content is mainly how to draw in her style. Should it probably be clarified? Yeah, but you can probably get that vibe by watching her videos

@SuperSimpForTheStars

11 ай бұрын

periodt

@kill-a.69

11 ай бұрын

is it me or ppl is forgetting that her fixes on draws aren seriously? l o l. She really doesn't make those tutorials for real, and made it more than clear in the very first place, those who send their drawing make that for only ONE reason, just to see how she reacts on that, not to be fixed for seriously. And she even admit that she doesnt really know about anatomy, whats the problem on that? Idk, i thinkg everyone is exaggeratting.

She literally “fixes” someone’s art of a black woman by changing their ethics features (big nose, lips, protruding chin) into her generic rule of “anime style” and call it her valid criticism. She call the original art piece goofy and “gorilla looking mf” in a similar tutorial 💀💀💀 How are y’all still defending her is wild. EDIT: She removed the “gorilla” part, you can only find it on twitter for now. I hope she addresses this or else it would look like she just tryna hide the evidence which is yikeees

@sealdeep6431

11 ай бұрын

oh wtf... if this is true then OMG THIS SUCKS :(((( I mean, I've been irritated at racism and people hating racial diversity and call them "ugly". If they wanna make beautiful people then it's ok, but putting down other people/races just because it's not fit in the standard is MEAN (black people can be beautiful with the features of black race, and the same goes with all races)

@kasan8495

11 ай бұрын

@@sealdeep6431 I don’t take her channel serious at first too but the more I watch, the more I found her criticism of other people arts are just her trying to enforce her style on others. By saying her style is more “valid” than the arts she thinks “ugly” doesn’t rub me right anymore.

@leimatzunkyo5586

11 ай бұрын

Holy hell that screams racism. Her humour is literally tiktok alpha male like lookin' ass.

@leimatzunkyo5586

11 ай бұрын

@@sealdeep6431 I've seen a lot of beautiful black women and honestly they deserve better than those plastic white toxic lookin' females.

@kasan8495

11 ай бұрын

@@leimatzunkyo5586 People be defending her like “It’s just her sarcasm/satire/humor.” Bro the humor is implicit racism through her arts and the way she “fixes” it to match with her standard 😭 I genuinely hope she change for the better because her content is popular among young audiences/beginner artists.

Honestly, not only is she actually a decent artist, but I personally find her pretty harmless. She’s literally appealing to what Twitter and Tik Tok secretly simp for (sexy Asian characters, occasional furry stuff, etc) that they don’t have the balls to admit out loud, which both explains her massive following and the massive hate campaign against her. She knows EXACTLY what she’s doing.

@Tallula_Tarura

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU🙏 some one started saying they ‘found it weird what she only draws white people’ and I was like white? 😃

@niyamii848

Жыл бұрын

FACTS Pale, slim, anime-inspired characters are extremely popular on the internet despite what people say about appreciating diversity. They get the most views and engagement.

@allyma3

Жыл бұрын

In her videos she literally says to be a clout chaser if you want a internet following. Shes not hiding what shes doing like som secret formula 😅

@JewelWildmoon

11 ай бұрын

I feel like a dumbass that I didn't know she does furry stuff sometimes too 😆

@kuosaii

11 ай бұрын

"appealing to what twitter secretly simp for" lol I literally opened it today and saw a tweet with 50k likes abt her drawing a miguel o'hara and not complementing his features

She ain’t beating the racist allegations for now

@kobeniscar2155

11 ай бұрын

Wait can someone explain?

@acatwithinternetaccess9433

11 ай бұрын

@@kobeniscar2155She ‘corrected’ art of an ethnic person and erased the features that made them unique. I think it’s valid people are criticizing her for that because it WAS bad advice, and I can definitely see why it was offensive. Everything else can just be summed up to personal preference like how she mainly draws light skin characters. That’s fine imo, it’s not going to improve your art if your always in your comfort zone, but it’s your art and you have the freedom to draw what you want to.

@lapy9567

11 ай бұрын

@@kobeniscar2155 Kooleen compares common African facial features to that of a gorilla in one of her tutorials. Her arts are only centered around eurocentric beauty standard (pale/grey skin, small nose, round face, big eyes, kpop idol-ish, anime,…). So when it’s someone’s art that doesn’t match with her style, she deem it as ugly and give it her #valid criticism. I’m pretty sure that’s the funny haha joke in her entire channel. Her whole thing is that she don’t draw “ugly people”. She acts better as a e-celeb for tiktok teenagers but when it comes to her advices for drawing or just arts in general, she sucks.

@poopeater_69420

11 ай бұрын

@@acatwithinternetaccess9433can i have the video i'm curious and want to see

@lapy9567

11 ай бұрын

@@poopeater_69420 The video title is ‘Roasting your sus arts’

Personally I’ve never thought that Kooleens tips were helpful to me nor do I particularly like her art style (I don’t think it’s bad). But she doesn’t deserve the amount of hate she gets to her art . But the “you’re going to have to dedicate too much of your time” bit seriously pissed me off… like so what that’s why I’m doing art because I can spend so much time on it and still think it’s fun 🤨

@MinieAnne

Жыл бұрын

She's a very ironic person lots of stuff that she said have to be take in the 2nd degree

@naraku971

Жыл бұрын

@@MinieAnne yeah, doesn't take too long by watching her content to know that she's speaking in an ironic manner.

@Tallula_Tarura

Жыл бұрын

She’s an ironic person Ig. If you think she spends a lot of Time on her art as she does copious videos making copious drawings so yea

@wandacandonothingwrong2961

10 ай бұрын

I don't get why you would ever tell people not to work on their art and improve, like yes obviously building skill takes time but if it's something youre passionate about then who cares?

@wandacandonothingwrong2961

10 ай бұрын

​@@MinieAnneshe went off on too much of a passionate tangent for me to see it as just irony

koleen's takes towards the end of the video, absolutely no whimsy. zero silliness. breakfastless behaviour. however, it did instill upon me the urge to make the *crunchiest* most spoinky oinky doinky wacky art ever, i'm talking carving out my heart and smearing it across the canvas. putting my whole artussy into that, searching inside of myself to combine everyting i love and translate that onto the canvas. be unconventional and weird about it, *really* weird. so i guess her artistic nihilism bounced around in my brain and became positive nihilism. the more you know.

@aikotitilai3820

Жыл бұрын

I like your funny words magic woman

@walnuts2543

Жыл бұрын

@@error-try-again-later cannot afford my prescriptions unfortunately

@TyroneBackyardiagains

Жыл бұрын

Artussy

@HiBuddyyyyyy

Жыл бұрын

I love that!

@konika.s_headspace

11 ай бұрын

Your vocabulary is amazing

Did she straight up called people who draw "ugly people", in her words "pretentious"? Is she angry others branch out and she views smaller artists as pretentious because they aren't trying to throw away their passion for a following? Also note how she has this victim blamey "You're a poor artist because you decided to be poor" attitude.

@kenmasugawara7158

Жыл бұрын

I didn’t think about it like that omg you’re so right. I’ve always gotten icky vibes towards kooleen and her clout-chasing mentality but i never realized how much it tied to classism. It’s so ironic that she says that when she draws on a goddamn ipad and frequents expensive coffee shops

@svnsami

Жыл бұрын

i love to draw "ugly peopl" because there is so much variety in the world that if bitches dont wanna same face syndrome bitches need to LEARN other types of faces

@noxtri921

Жыл бұрын

It’s really just a joke tho?? I don’t think she actually means it😭😭😭 her KZread persona is just that “sassy sarcastic mean person” and that’s what worked for her ig

@aquaabouttogetfunky

Жыл бұрын

She does have a point tho. She can draw whatever the hell she wants and a lot of artist I see on twitter especially who draw “ugly people” (which is always brown, fat, hairy and short people or redesigns of existing characters) act so over their fucking head for diversity points

@limerat7700

11 ай бұрын

She's spittin facts tho y u mad

I think the 'hate' is also sort of because just how hard the current social media algorithm has made it for artists to get any recognition at all and people might feel like 'why does this person whose art isn't even that good (to them) and makes such bad jokes deserve this big of an audience while i get like 10 likes on my art on a good day'. I feel it's just a lot of pent up frustration with the art space in general.

@haert8888

Жыл бұрын

Thats not an accuse to hate her, jealousy is bad and should be removed, i mean yes its ok to be jealous, but to act upon it? Ure a horrible person

@mksketchms

Жыл бұрын

@@haert8888 I'm stating a possible reason for people's psyche who do hate on her lmao learn to read first my dude. It's obviously not justified.

@haert8888

Жыл бұрын

@@mksketchms well sorry but u didnt mention it was wrong so i had to say somethimg

@user1111name

Жыл бұрын

⁠@@haert8888i agree with u 100%, but calling OP a horrible person for a relatively harmless comment is a bit too far don’t u think?

@mksketchms

11 ай бұрын

@@haert8888 common sense isn't that common i guess

Kooleen has her own style of content which I respect, but it’s obviously not for everyone but it’s no reason to hate in her I really think Rin explained it rlly well

Let's face it, we're coming to a point where artists are not allowed to create the art they want to make, and all art is going to eventually have to be voted on by the court of public opinion as to ticking off all the boxes whether the artist has any knowledge in those areas or not. You shouldn't necessarily have to "educate yourself" to make art if you are simply expressing yourself and making art about the things you know, or that you like. Targeting your art to a particular demographic is not a sin, and no one should expect everybody to create things to appeal to everybody. First off that's impossible, and second it leads to art that is completely disposable with nothing to say. Everyone should find the artist and art/music/film that speaks to them and learn to ignore the rest understanding that those creations may speak to someone else, or they may speak to you at another stage in your life.

@yaB0i_Hawkx

Жыл бұрын

why does this has so less likes than every other q-q. WHat youre saying is sooo valid. Like its better to not force diversity and risk false information on said area than just do what disney is doing rn. Just bc someone isn't drawing darked skinned chubby lgbtqia+ oc with no/u pronounce doesn't mean they spread hate. Yeah i also agree with "draw beatifull people" and thats just what beauty standards we have is a bit controversial, but really its not like some people who straight up say black people are ugly. Don't just assume the worst, that tells a lot about your sentiment than anything. Its all an interpretation of how you want to receive it. Besides her artsytles doesn't even have purely white skinned people if skin color matters to you. And if race matters to you, how do you know this character is 100% white? What do you even catagorize as white? The people who took over native america? Those who created slavery? Americans? Europeans? Not to say asians also have a varaiety between fairly white to darker skin complexions. Maybe she just drew an asian and you accused her of drawing white people. Thats also not right. But really, why does it matter so much to you that you have to hate. If diversity really means something to you, then don't follow Kooleen, but any other artist who share the same values, there are tons of them. Instead of giving them love you turn to an already popular artist and hate on them, give them even more free advertisement. Idk it just seem so stupid really, since she didn't even do anything outright racist. The controversies is her never drawing any darker skinned people. It could be bc of racist reason, but also could equaly be bc of it being outside of her confort zone. But i fear if she stepps out of it and post an black oc, people might call her racist bc the skin tone isn't dark enough, or its too dark or its racist to slander this culture in that way... Like so many controversies before. I think people are just scared to tap into this area. So basically, instead of spreading hate, share support and encurengment for drawing further diversities and educate people in a friendly and non toxic way. Only then will there be no excuses to not draw diversity.

@clumpofdirt1193

Жыл бұрын

i completely agree with your points. the issue with kooleen is that she has these traits and still pushes that her way is the right way. she is uneducated while simultaneously trying to educate younger beginner artists. thats where the issue comes in

@NelsonStJames

Жыл бұрын

@@yaB0i_Hawkx This is what gets me, you'll see comments dissing, or trying to cancel some artist for something a person didn't like, and yet it's obvious they have to follow that person to be aware of what they're doing. There are lots of artists whose work doesn't appeal to me, there are artists whose work I like, but don't necessarily like the artist, and I have absolutely no idea what they might do or say on their social media because I don't follow them. I honestly believe some people follow creators wanting to get angry that the artist is simply doing their thing. I'm a film major and I see this in film all the time "XXX director never has this or that minority in their films, or significant parts for women". Artists make the art they have a passion for, and now we're putting artists in a no win situation where you want them to make art based on someone else's criteria and then rake them over the coals if they do it badly. I'd honestly rather have no representation from a creator than bad representation. It's very disingenious at it's core because we don't do this for all aspects of art. Nobody tells Stephen King that all he writes are horror novels and he "needs" to do a romance. Nobody tells Mel Brooks he makes too many comedies and needs to diversify and make an action movie. These artists do what they're good at, and have a core audience that likes what they do, and all artists should have that freedom without being criticised for it.

@dvvna

Жыл бұрын

Well said

@belxxx3045

11 ай бұрын

The problem lies when she's put in a position to step out of her comfort zone and with so many eyes watching AND with so many beginner artist watching her everymove , she will be put in 'skin tight' situation to say the least, I agree with you points though but not in correlation to kooleen specifically

“Bitches should draw whatever they wanna draw, however the fuck they wanna draw it.” I need that shit on a shirt!

I think she’s totally projecting her own old view: looking down on artists who want to earn money and her misconception on the meaning of “struggling artist”. If anything, majority of most non artists ppl think it’s greedy for artists to want to be paid and think that their recognition is enough payment on its own. Boomers see artists as broke because how they try to earn a living on their art instead of taking a career they see “practical” with a more stable income, not because they reject money ?? lmao

she draws very nice art but im not sure if shes the best person to look up to because she never ever leaves her comfort zone and does not intend on it. all her drawings are the same people in different clothes and hair color.

@chaewonsroses

Жыл бұрын

i feel like she isnt meaning to sell herself as an art teacher, but rather a sardonic entertainer tbh but i get where ur coming from, her fanbase is pretty young and impressionable

Honestly kooleens art is pretty but it feels so soulless Like it just feels like a series of features slapped on a body rather than a drawing of a person

@UwU-lm9or

Жыл бұрын

YO i understand and ressonate with this comment ive been in the art community for years and tbh most or some artists dont feel like they have a soul sometimes :') no hate i can understand how popularity or somethig affects the reason you draw but still genuinely throws me off a persons reason to create but thats a whole other topic hope I wasnt rude i agree sm!!!!!

@cranburrey

11 ай бұрын

Omg thank you like no hate to her but I always felt the same way about her art

@ablancer3582

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for putting how I felt into words! I feel the same way about SamDoesArt’s work, too.

i don’t really follow her but i remember watching one video where she was drawing her followers ocs or something and one character distinctly had acne or like acne scarring or something and when she redrew the character she completely removed it despite it being a highlighted feature of the character, and i just remember being kinda disappointed because i thought it was so cool to see someone embrace acne in their art and characters

@Anggell707

Жыл бұрын

omg i remember that video 😭😭

i personally like her art but she isnt as funny as she thinks she is

@muffin_crow

Жыл бұрын

IKRR

@charlythecherry

Жыл бұрын

i agree

@Market_margret

Жыл бұрын

She has 10 year olds humour (kooleen)

@mchnegrl

Жыл бұрын

this 💯

@MinieAnne

Жыл бұрын

But the thing is that she never said that she's funny ...you putting word in her mouth. ..

Kooleen honestly upsets me. She’s influencing so many young artists into only drawing such a narrow selection of things and hate anything that’s “ugly”. You don’t have to draw pretty Korean girls to survive as an artist, you just have to find your audience and your niche!

@aangelicals

Жыл бұрын

ikr and i dont think she ever shows her face.... like r u scared of diversity in ur art

@kashmir2089

Жыл бұрын

​@@aangelicalsShe shows her face all the time, and what does her face have to do with showing diversity in her art? Like yes I get it she could be more diverse with her drawings but ur comment makes no sense

@Armetzger

Жыл бұрын

@@aangelicals She does.... Multiple times.

@charlythecherry

Жыл бұрын

i have to agree. this is more of a me thing but when people go "KOOLEN⁉️" when you say anything like juicy or seggsy or whatever its incredibly annoying but that's their fanbase they can't control that. also something that personally i dont really like is just.. their style.. its not very diverse or interesting its just.. drawing hot korean anime characters yk? but i dont hate her for it some people like that style its just not my thing

@mynameisuknown

Жыл бұрын

Koolen is just making jokes and she even say that you don't need to take it seriously (oh well, I remember that she say one time, idk if i'm wrong) but the thing is that nobody needs to take it in a seriously way. Btw, I think it'll need to be a little bit clear for avoid these type of beliefs in the future

that bit about 'black washing' is so true. 'slavery is so olllld! it's not the saaaaame!' bitch, the systems of slavery didn't evaporate, they were reincorporated into the modern police and credit systems! it's the same! it's all the same! we're still doing it!

@julesoxana

Жыл бұрын

Thiss!!!

@simsimmer3040

11 ай бұрын

But that doesn’t mean you are allow to change race you can’t white washing and can’t do black washing it both the same and equally racism

She says "we live in a superficial society" and then goes on and perpetuates it further by drawing nothing but conventionally attractive people. Imagine if all humans thought this way whenever there was something that was not fair in this world? "Oh, women are not equally treated? Well, that is just how it is" and then they would proceed to just live into it... Of course that is just an example but I do not find it very responsible to push this narrative onto her audience that consists of young, impressionable people. No, she is not responsible for them, but she has a following and a lot of influence.

@jonahanderson9210

Жыл бұрын

She should draw more ugly people fr fr 💀

@sophitiaofhyrule

Жыл бұрын

this!!

@CICADA____

Жыл бұрын

Well she can draw what she wants and what works for her so you can draw as many ugly people as you want and she can draw as many attractive people as she wants

@Silustrations

Жыл бұрын

@@CICADA____ you’re missing my whole point..

@Silustrations

Жыл бұрын

@@cokser the problem isn’t “drawing ugly or pretty people” - the problem is that we even consider people ugly or pretty. It’s beauty standards that won’t go away unless we push for the change. And if everybody sticks to a “oh well, that’s how it is I guess, nothing to do with it” mindset then it’s gonna stay that way.

I like kooleen I don’t think she wants to be taken seriously I think she just likes to troll I haven’t watched the video yet so maybe my opinion will change once I see another point of view Edit: it didn’t change most of the points against her where not good reasons the last one tho I don’t know how to feel about because I feel like she is just trolling I’m not sure if she really thinks that but even then she shouldn’t be saying things like that since everyone knows most of her viewers are young and in sure she knows that to even if it is trolling younger people don’t know that and will take her seriously

@strawberriesstar

Жыл бұрын

Even if she is just trolling, it still impacts people in a way/lh I don't hate her, but I don't like her

@ImSoHappy777

Жыл бұрын

@@strawberriesstar i said in my edit that even if it’s just trolling it’s not good because a lot of people would think she’s being serious did you not read it?

I don't.. hate her?? I agree with a lot of rin's arguments that we should let people do whatever they want. Why can't all of you just leave her alone? She can draw whatever she want's. Half of her humor comes from sarcasm and stuff like that. I think she's funny, not all of you will agree. But my goodness, leave her be if you don't LIKE it. Theres content for everyone. don't shit on her. :(

@sophitiaofhyrule

Жыл бұрын

It's important to talk about this kind of stuff because our beauty standards are kinda racist. The fact that Koleen says she doesn't draw "ugly people" and never draws dark-skinned characters is very telling...

@moonfairie

Жыл бұрын

i agree that people shouldn’t come and attack her or whatever but i think her influence is really bad and the way she says she doesn’t draw ugly people and only draws light skinned people with very similar body types is a bad influence especially for younger artists and kids,imo.

@usarolls6008

Жыл бұрын

@@sophitiaofhyrule As someone who uses filters most of the time and doesn't really embrace my dark asian skin (look in my pfp.. looks really edited) I am affected by societys views on beauty and Kooleen isn't helping at all.. but tbh she doesn't seem like the type to shit on anyone. She never outright stated dark skin people like me are ugly, but yeah.. I kinda see your point

@Testiyan

Жыл бұрын

@@usarolls6008 YEAH GIRL I THINK THE SAMEEEE but this people do NOT get it 🤷🏽‍♀️

@Tallula_Tarura

Жыл бұрын

⁠@@sophitiaofhyruleI can see what she is doing tho. She’s drawing people that she sees herself in. She’s Asian. That’s the joke- she only draws people she either ‘looks like’, ‘wants to look like’ who are the same heritage to her. It’s not a crime.

the "don't spend time on art" point kinda just grinds my gears. If you want to create an actually good composition regardless of the perspective complexity you need to spend time on it. You need to spend a lot of time in the thumbnailing stage feeling it out and finding the best composition that can serve your desired subject and mood in the best way possible. Art takes time, care and thoughtfulness.

tbh she just annoys me but i can’t say that bc her followers jump on me. i don’t resonate with her jokes or tips, i find she inspires in the way that everyone just replicates her style. i saw someone change their art to her style recently and it really took the life and personality out of it. she’s probably great and i liked her at first. but now i find her attitude more irritating than others when they use the “ur art is bad!!” persona if yknow what i mean, the mean girl act isn’t funny to me anymore. (and ofc i saw ur fixer video and yeah she’s another one for the list who just redraws)

@charlythecherry

Жыл бұрын

yeah i agree with the art thing it just feels lifeless and boring its like a generic hot anime korean characters style it really isnt interesting there isnt much diversity or contrast or lighting or anything. what i love about artstyles is how it depends on the artist and how unique and cool each style is. and i dont know that style feels like it has no real personality its like what you draw for views yk? i hope i dont sound like im hating-

@sshhrimpp6375

Жыл бұрын

I agree with most of your points, one person that i can think of who can really pull off the “”ur art is bad”” style of content is samdoesarts

@lamasguay45

Жыл бұрын

lmfao same I find her so unfunny

@MinieAnne

Жыл бұрын

​@@sshhrimpp6375i mean sam does art also always draw the same thing

@heroro9898

Жыл бұрын

@@MinieAnneI feel like hes been healing tbh. He’s drawing more diverse characters now after the ellie incident

This definitely didn't age well💀

@halodp9161

11 ай бұрын

What happened?

@starrfirreig

11 ай бұрын

@@JiNxx-_- she’s been exposed for a bunch of racist things like comparing common poc side profiles to gorillas, whitewashing art of black people, calling edges “eyebrows”, and erasing poc features. lots of people are really upset about it 😅

i hate people that go "life isnt fair" and then contribute to how life isnt fair. shes a popular artist adding onto impossible beauty standards, her platform and reach is big, she doesnt need to only draw hot people to get clout, she can draw heavier people, black people, or just a different face and people would still see it. as someone who she would call ugly by her standards i feel like she just doesnt see people as people unless theyre photogenic and conventionally attractive.

@spaceninja7984

Жыл бұрын

I get where you're coming from, but I'm adamant artists should always draw to their personal taste. Diversifying what you draw with no purpose other than being progressive is idiotic. You're always going to gravitate towards things appealing to you, no one should force themselves to create different art for the sake of diversity. Art is communication, and you can't communicate if you don't actually have anything to say about your creation.

@Saralightff

Жыл бұрын

@@spaceninja7984Funny how other artists draw different characters and still have a following. She lazy as hell. Don’t do art if you can’t diversify characters.

@AyakaImpact

11 ай бұрын

but if ur not allowed to draw art unless u diversify, then that just makes things harder and not as free. (i apologize if im getting it wrong)

@animae008

11 ай бұрын

Bro I'm ugly af and guess what? Most people in my drawings are pretty because I like to look at pretty people. Sometimes I draw just "average" humans that are average in my country. For some people it's natural and easy to draw people like them. Is it lazy? Maybe, the key to improvement is practice and trying things that are not in our comfort zone. My whole life I saw only fair people on the streets, so I drew them. Later when I visited bigger cities or I got my first phone with internet I saw humans in every color. Only now I start to draw poc and I'm happy that I 'm opening myself to new possibilities. I think Kooleen might be in similar situation

@meowmeow2XX7

11 ай бұрын

ikr

I think this situation is not necessary at all. I've been following Kooleen's channel for more than a year now and her tutorials really improved my art. I never got annoyed by her "smegsy", "juicy" or her being sassy. Idk, her personality changed this whole time as she got more popular and stuff, but I get why some people feel this way. This situation is just getting out of hand

@chaewonsroses

Жыл бұрын

exactly!! while the whole “i dont draw ugly people” situation can be discussed, and while i agree that the whole smegsy and juicy thing can get rather annoying, i like her and i dont think she’s done much inherently wrong

@puppetloser

11 ай бұрын

Fun fact she compared a drawing of a poc person to a gorilla!!

@cranburrey

11 ай бұрын

@@puppetloser Here before any of her meat riders attack you

@sicksodaa

11 ай бұрын

​@@puppetlosershhhhh the koolen riders will start crying you've gotta be careful

The reason why I got tired of both sam and koleen is because their art is so immensely repetitive. And all the really insane industry artists with massive following that I have seen, they ALL know how to draw and simplify every single feature on this planet. May it be animals, fantasy beings, old, young, small, big or whatever kind of people. And that's what even makes it aspiring. No other kind of artist is aspiring for me, because you will never learn how to draw what you see. Especially cuz I'm also a writer, which makes me want to draw my characters in situations. I could never do that by following their steps :( But yeah hate is always bad and I think Sam is doing way better now 🎉

@Balincia20

11 ай бұрын

I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU

The diversity talk on how people draw only a certain race i get that, a lot of people mainly black people only draw black characters and its rare to seeany other race within it. Its more of the self reflecting in the characters then trying to draw any other race, i can understand that cause i do it as well and only draw black...females or males. Though like its getting to a point where its just... i feel like advice she gives might slowly destroy the new beginner artists coming in if they take her advice.

@panickedshears

Жыл бұрын

That’s true. A lot of artists end up drawing characters that look like themselves, not even just race but like facial structure and hair texture as well. I definitely fall into that category. Also I’m pretty sure that Kooleen has once admitted that she draws characters that are asian and light skin (like herself). Honestly, I never thought kooleen wanted to be taken seriously either. She always comes off as very sarcastic in her videos, and she seems to draw things that she wants to draw (ie, hot men). Which personally I don’t think is a problem? Idk

@naraku971

Жыл бұрын

I've got black friends who prefer to draw white characters, two of my friends are like that, I think that's perfectly okay. People should be able to draw what it is they want to draw., and as artists, the freedom of expression is our most important right. I've picked up on Kooleen to be speaking in a very ironic way, and I think that's a very important thing that people should pick up on that, but there was one thing that Kooleen pointed out that goes on within her artwork that I have kind of seen in my own art, and I hadn't really thought about it until I looked at some of the traffic on my own art, and that being the posts portraying women who happen to be rather feminine get a lot more traffic than posts portraying men in general, and I wonder if it has something to do with there seems to at least in western mainstream media be a lack of feminine women, or women are being defeminized (I've seen this lately video games made in the west), there seems to be this subset of people both men and women who are looking for feminine women, and turning to other media, and that just so happens of course, outside of the mainstream, something Kooleen is not a part of.

@panickedshears

Жыл бұрын

@@naraku971 I 100% agree with your statement about people being able to draw whatever they want. A lot of comments are talking about how she doesn’t draw ‘ugly people’ and it’s like, idk she doesn’t have to if she doesn’t want to. It’s her drawings and her channel. And I know she makes art tips on how to make your art ‘smeggsy’ but idk I’ve always read those as kinda like, joke tutorials and not something you should follow to the T. Also, yeah I have noticed that drawings of women get a lot more traction than ones of men. However I don’t think it’s because of “defeminisation” of women in western media. I think it’s just cause the internet is thirsty and likes hot sexy women.

@WANNABEEYOU

Жыл бұрын

@@panickedshears I don't see a problem with what she draws at all people draw what they want to draw it's their freedom really. Though even if she doesn't want people to take her seriously the new beginner artist might not see that is basically what I'm sayin, like the older artists that may follow her may know this but some may not? Is what I'm trying to get at I think I don't know. She has a right to draw Asians as much as other people do really, her art is cool and all but I feel like if people watch her it might just end up making them think that maybe their art isn't good that's if they don't understand that she's not being serious about it all.

@WANNABEEYOU

Жыл бұрын

@@panickedshears no I agree with you on this, people only tend to like something that looks GOOD or HOT. I've seen that video game thing where they were roasting the hell outta the character from fable cause she didn't look good. I never understood that, but yes it seems the internet only wants you to put out good looking characters and not actual characters that have life within their faces that make them look different and stand out from one another. There was an artist on KZread I was watching where he was explaining how artists in general have fallen into this thing where all they produce is beautiful girls with the same facial features because it helps you get likes on it.

I feel like she's famous because of her personality more than her skills and her videos center more around her skills now which just don't match up with her skill level to be teaching what she herself isn't that great at yet. Sam does have a lot of skill and what he teaches actually makes sense and is applicable to most kind of art techniques. Kooleen on the other hand isn't nearly as artistically skilled (yet) but her content sort of tries to match her up to somebody at the level of sam if that makes sense. Hate the sexual jokes though, not funny after 2 videos.

@fioletowyczowiek4975

Жыл бұрын

so real.

@bublynnn

Жыл бұрын

THIS‼️‼️‼️‼️

@belxxx3045

11 ай бұрын

I said this on Twitter now I banned, but I 100 agree and I think in a way it also what fuels the hate and her fans because both sides know that there's a gap between her personality and actual talent.

@lobsterin9214

11 ай бұрын

also all the talk about her only drawing pale thin conventionally attractive people would be less relevant if she didn't position herself as a teacher. like yeah of course draw whatever you want, but she's got a lot of young artists looking up to her. some people just learn to draw a narrow set of features/bodytypes (99% of the time its eurocentric/thin) and feel they have all it takes to teach others about art in general. i feel like people in this discussion often forget she carries more responsibility as a popular creator + teacher. p.s. not to say representation isn't important if you are not a teacher. we treat art as if it doesn't affect real peoples feelings, as if erasing ethnic and non-conventionally attractive features is "just an art style". p.p.s. kinda irrelevant but just another thing i don't like about her content is how she does art critique. i understand it's not that serious and she's playing a character but in general i think people in online communities have gotten way too comfortable with bullying young people for exploring different styles and techniques.

No hate or whatsoever, just my thought but she build her channel sorely in crapping on others arts. Her tutorials aren’t even tutorial btw, they’re basically just her fixing something into HER style which she thinks it’s better. Sometimes it ain’t even jokes, sarcasms or simply click baiting for views, it’s just mockery of artists that has a different style. If you watch her for haha funny juicy lips and feet jokes then whatever idc. I don’t suggest watching Kooleen for art advices because it’s the worst I’ve seen. Especially if you’re a beginner, it’s very limited, exclusive and damage your ways of constructing your own art style. Again, idc what anyone watch her content for. You can always ignore it. /I edited spelling errors.

I think people take Kooleen way too seriously. Her content is supposed to be funny, cringey, and sarcastic. When she’s talking about not drawing ugly people, she doesn’t genuinely mean it. It’s a savage joker persona she has going on. SamDoesArts has said similar things and he also has a savage persona at times. My personal opinion is that she doesn’t draw different facial structures because she’s not confident in drawing them. I get the feeling she’s still fairly new to the art world, at least when it comes to posting online (wouldn’t know for sure). She’s still got a lot to learn and she has admitted that in her videos. I think she’s here to have fun and I don’t think there is anything wrong with that. Art shouldn’t have to be all about doing something grand and impactful. For me, I love drawing fan-art because I love drawing the things I love. I’m autistic and I obsess over things, so being able to replicate it in art ends up being a great release. I draw whoever, but I shouldn’t have to because it’s not my job to do that. Another thing to consider is that maybe she draws a bunch of Asian women because she is Asian. I notice that we tend to draw people who are of the same colour. White people draw white people the most, black people draw black people, so on and so forth. That doesn’t mean you can’t or shouldn’t draw other types of people, but it’s just something I noticed. Kinda like how Kasey Golden draws women with hairy legs because she herself has hairy legs. If Kooleen claimed she was here to post all about inclusivity, then it would be an issue. But she’s literally just drawing and posting vids. People ask to see her process, so she shares it in small and digestible videos. She doesn’t do big tutorials because she doesn’t claim to be an art teacher. I just think people are picking a useless fight

@Duskkyanite

11 ай бұрын

yeah and also adding onto the ‘same race drawing same race’ thing Usually people tend to stick to their own ethnicity, because if they mess something up about another race’s culture such as types of hair, skin tones, or stereotypes, commenters will most definitely send hate or misinformation to the artist and their supporters.

@deansbian5607

11 ай бұрын

@@Duskkyaniteor me tbh it’s the fact that she makes tutorials and acts like her advice is good. she rlly doesn’t know a lot about anatomy and she is like one of the most popular art channels and the tutorials for beginners she puts out are just bad and stifling art advice, learning about diverse face shapes and harmony are so important in learning to draw and she just does same face every time

@melzyie

11 ай бұрын

yep

@Fallencity01

11 ай бұрын

@@deansbian5607 I don’t think she really claims that it’s great advice though. She comes off confident and cocky, but not a know it all. I grew up watching and learning from heaps of content creators and something the artists would often say is “this is just my way, not the only way” because people turn around and claim that they’re not doing it right, they’re teaching the wrong things, so on and so forth... sounds familiar. I mean, who cares if she’s not going into detail about technique when it’s encouraging and inspiring people to get into art? Yeah, it’s easier to learn the right way from the start, but it’s more fun and natural to just jump on in and enjoy it. If they want to learn real technique, then they would be searching for the creators who take them through it. I think everyone is being too hard on her, forcing expectations and sucking the fun out it all

@deansbian5607

11 ай бұрын

@@Fallencity01 I agree with you and I have to admit I’m a little biased toward her. It’s annoying to see an art channel so large, and yeah her cocky demeanor is mostly just like a joke but when she doesn’t understand the principals of art it’s just… kind of annoying to watch bad advice given out. I agree that it’s just a fun thing and I don’t think she’s like doing anything super wrong. I do think she needs to learn and grow as an artist and accept criticism because her art won’t grow and the art advice she gives to beginners are against just bad. Also the fixing your art videos which I do find fun to watch, several times she has taken work that was anatomically correct and fit it into her style and mold of drawing and claimed it was fixed. i just think she needs to listen to a bit of the criticism. I hope you get what I mean and why it’s a bit annoying to see, especially when her art is really nice otherwise

many people are talking about how kooleen influences young artists to only draw "pretty" people, but ive been watching her for like 2 years and i was still pretty new at drawing but i still draw what i want and you wouldnt be able to tell from my art style or by what i draw that i absoutlulty BINGED her videos non stop (autism yum) but maybe im a special case i dunno

@theartistickaiviti

Жыл бұрын

you're just built different

@eggie7276

Жыл бұрын

No.. ur not different.... I started drawing seriously... after months of watching her. To me she is more of an entertainer and I have followed her tutorial, didn't clicked with me so I moved on. People just wants beef to talk about and many get gaslighted by those people (my opinion).

@toqa6735

Жыл бұрын

Samee I don't let any artist affect my style.

@DanTheMan711

Жыл бұрын

@@toqa6735 Dude.. that’s literally how art styles are formed..

@swathithebagel

11 ай бұрын

Same here! Not as much of a fan as u but I’m sure many people take advice with a grain of salt and the only reason she says to draw “pretty people” is cuz It’s easier to break down the planes. You can watch her and not have a style like her ya know?

So my issue with Kooleen is that she's disrespectful to other artists and basically it's not even just her humor for me, I understand her humor, her humor has never upset me, its never took me off. Lots of people are defending her by saying she doesn't have to draw black characters with that thing. She doesn't have to draw them, but whenever someone commissions them to her she would give their dark skin character is this ashy like pale skin, and that's what irritated me is that whilst in the same breath being disrespectful to these artist she has yet to apologize to any of the people characters that she drew ashy like that these characters had brown and dark skin once again, people go on defending Kooleen by saying she might not know how to shade skin like that, I don't care, then don't commission these people, don't even let them commission you these things Kooleen can learn, because she's literally an artist, she knows what she's doing, I won't even say she doesn't know how to draw brown or darker skin tones, because she's literally a professional artist at this point, and she knows what she's doing. She's not a new artist her fans defending her every time she ruins a brown skin character or dark skin character by making them look grey will always be disrespectful to me Once again Kooleen has an extremely colorist mindset :/ I'm sick and tired of her fanbase defending her when it comes to her drawing these types of characters because yes, they're trying to make up stupid excuses by saying she doesn't have to draw black people, but if someone were to commission her, some she would totally whitewashed the hell out of them or make them look ashy and I don't like it this is why so many people dislike her, it's not even her humor it's her colorist mindset in her fan base and her inability to take accountability

@cel4709

11 ай бұрын

I do think maybe Kooleen could probably not be used to coloring dark skinned peeps, like for white characters you can atleast get the gist of it. Like, she's still learning. It's not like being famous == Im a God at art or I know how art is art.

@cel4709

11 ай бұрын

And I do think, that she doesn't know how to color black peeps, without making them look ashy. Like, her field house was mostly east Asian looks, aka being used to facial feature, physique, hair texture and color of the skin.

@MarineSelena

11 ай бұрын

Are you a teenager? younger? Because all of that sounds like something a 14 year old would say. Learn to block and move on, Kooleen doesn't have to please you or anyone else, also what if she really doesn't know/care how to draw black people? "No excuse" you say?? Who tf do you think you are trying to rule over other people and decide or not who gets to excuse themselves or not. If you are that sensitive over internet then delete the app. As much as you got butthurt from it your are fine, Kooleen isn't damaging anyone by drawing, that argument is idiotic, worry about real problems like getting assaulted outside, that WILL hurt you. Black people out there are getting killed by corrupted cops and you are worrying about a fucking tiktoker artist, even if Kooleen disappeared from existence none of the fucking REAL racism would change, worry about IMPORTANT stuff, maybe instead of making gacha videos you could get a part time job and donate to racism foundations if you really care that much, or is it really that easy and comfortable to be a smartass online? Does it make you feel like you are doing something?? Well you aren't, your contribution to the world is ZERO, NONE, you are defending no one. And if you aren't capable of understanding, I'll clarify that I'm not shaming gacha studio videos but you yourself, because all of this people that get mad over drawings justifying it by calling it an unexistence racism never do anything for the real world, your PC text isn't changing anything.

@ValentineValie

11 ай бұрын

I can see how it can be pissy but I don't even know how to use the correct colors upon a person with color, ironically, being someone who is a person of color. I have been drawing asian people since I've been digesting that in while I could look at them and see the details, however for the black side of me, I have no idea where to start and would have to learn. Take it with a grain of salt, I think Kooleen doesn't know how to draw or color POCs

@Kageyamaaberriesweet

11 ай бұрын

​@@ValentineValienot to mention it just recently was revealed that she compare black people to gorillas, honestly, I'm so fed up with her, do not talk to me and tried to defend her

I’ve never liked her, she’s always pushed that she didn’t draw “ugly people” and when she called the drawing, gorilla looking, made me pissed off.

also about 'blackwashing' theres a huge difference between making art of black people based on a character you like (as theres little representation of POCs in media) whereas there is plenty of representation of white people and the only reason youre turning the few POC characters white is to erase the POC representation and be hateful. especially if you think whitewashing a character makes them 'better' or fixed which ive seen a lot of especially on twitter

@kaibaiarrio1299

Жыл бұрын

Literally the only time i think "blackwashing" can apply is whatever the hell lin manuel miranda did with hamilton Tho tbf. Most people arent taking real life slave owners and making them poc

@simsimmer3040

11 ай бұрын

There is no difference it equally Racist just because there literally black characters that why we should created new characters which are person of color not change already existing one if you like a character so much just make a character Inspired like that one no need to black or white washed that character don’t ch age characters race

@strawberry_punch_art

9 ай бұрын

I see the problem in color dropping a dark skin color and calling it representation (like geshin color drops). Don't treat white charas like coloring books, put your skills to use and make the design your own drawing/oc.

@simsimmer3040

9 ай бұрын

@@strawberry_punch_art I agree very much.

@crystalizedfuka

3 ай бұрын

​@@strawberry_punch_art how can ocs create more rep?? they're not canon characters but only fanmade characters

I don't mind kooleen. I also like the fact that she keeps doing her thing no matter what the criticism is. She aint bothering me so I don't pay her no mind. ALSO, as a black man watching you go on your tangent, I've never been more proud of someone I have never met lol. You get it. Thank you.

@xXVibrantSnowXx

11 ай бұрын

She may not have bothered you, but she did to me (even though i'm not black) And so many other people too to the fact it felt like she is so insensitive, she can draw whatever she wants, but she can't just straight say whatever she wants

@jksupergamer

6 ай бұрын

@@xXVibrantSnowXxok

reminder: you're aloud to dislike someone, even if you dont have a reason for it. what you shouldn't do is attack and try and cancel someone for no reason, you're aloud to dislike someone's humor and jokes but when you attack for no reason youre just being a jerk who clearly has nothing better to do than harass random people online.

pls in 2023 I would like to see someone accept the apologies and mistakes of others without necessarily feeling the irrepressible need to give their opinion shouting in caps lock no one is blameless

@poumybeloved

10 ай бұрын

Ayesha Erotica did some while ago

I can't imagine any artist getting more hate than butch hartman

@chaewonsroses

Жыл бұрын

nobody compares to him

@plaenets

Жыл бұрын

he’s the big cheese

@HiBuddyyyyyy

Жыл бұрын

I feel like Butch Hartman kind of deserves some of it. (Not on his art, I mean he’s done shitty things as a person.)

i read it as colleen first and was like "here we go again... wait since when did she make zesty anime art?"

the amount of ppl here who don't know the full story and are saying she shouldn't get criticism is crazy... like she compared rihanna's features to a gorillas and only draws eurocentric features for her pretty drawings... and in her apology she just ignored everything and only responded to the other same face syndrome artist sam (bro made bella from tlou look like a disney princess which was weird too but at least he draws poc sometimes) and he was like "dw dw theyre just haters" (this was a while ago so hopefully most ppl have changed their mind0

sorry but as a latina/hispanic individual i don’t get how she took away ALL of miguel o’haras ethnic features in her fanart💀💀

@stalemantou

3 ай бұрын

Yeaaa becuz her art sucks

THANK YOU. I WAS WAITING FOR YOU TO MAKE A VIDEO ON HER HEHEHE

Genuinely never really seen anything of her art but when it comes to clout chasing etc I can see where shes comming from. The hard part is some people don't know how to navigate the social realm, and due to that do resort to "only drawing pretty people" because those are the things that tend to get more likes. As someone whos been trying to years to get into selling art professionally (because for me its really the only option to not be on disability my whole life) its extremely hard to find people who will buy your art without getting a lot of likes. Obviously if you do more diverse drawings or draw "ugly" people then the likes you get will be more meaning ful, but sadly they also dont tend to bring in money. Though theres another side to that that I dont really see any artists talking about: pricing points. If you price your art too high then people wont buy it because "its not worth it" or "its not good enough" or simply they cant afford it. But if you put it too low its viewed as either "this artists doesnt have confidance" "if they dont think their art is worth x amount then why would i pay x amount?" or they think of it in a suspicious lens of "this is way too cheap for what it is did they trace it? did they steal the design?" etc. Personally I always sold my paintings and drawings for around $2- $5 CAD so that people with low incomes who like my art can get it without feeling bad for spending money on something they dont need. The problem with that is now since its too cheap people dont want to buy it. Iv'e raised my prices slightly $5 - $15 USD (approximately $7 - $35 CAD) an have gotten a few more buyers, but most people still tell me to raise the prices or others wont buy from me. The art world is extremely hard to navigate. some artists earn $100/ hour and others raise $0.10/hour. I wish your success didnt rely on how many people saw your art or how much clout you have, but sadly it does. so Personally i cant blame people for doing what they think will get them more subscribers. wow that was long. sorry to all that read all that

girl I LOVE your accent and your humor, and your hair is AMAZING

i like the empathetic yet constructive approach you take with these videos -- something we don't get enough of on the internet. it's almost always people coddling others or being harsh for the sake of it. so thank you for including more nuance in your commentary!

I feel kind of conflicted because I never took all things she said seriously; I kind of assumed it was some kind of sarcastic, dark humor or something so now I'm not quite sure about how I feel abt her .

i turned this on and started drawing and your voice is so calming and nice to listen too

whitewashings been a thing for centuries, MILLENIA ACTUALLY. lemme give u an example from my country, brazil. theres this black, internationally famous author from brazil called machado de assis, even u probs have heard of him at least once in your life. and until this day, centuries after his death, theres still debate over his sKIN COLOR, because media of that time would never portray him correctly. artists would always whitewash him and easternalize all his features. so if i see another white chick saying black ppl are just being "overly sensitive" because of an almost ancient problem that still persists until this day in our current society, im gonna blow up a building.

koolen's art isnt ugly, its beautiful even, its just the fact that she REFUSES to draw dark skin individuals. and her "only drawing pretty people"s comment is just such an ick considering she literally refuses to draw dark skin or anything other than white and k-beauty industry standards. she did a pause oc art challenge, paused on a dark skin color, and literally made it lighter and called it "tan"

@Glo0micq

Жыл бұрын

So? Most of her characters are light skin because their east-asian, most east-asians are pretty light. Also, she's literally Asian so of course she's gonna draw only Asian characters and Asian beauty standards cuz that's what she's use to. since most people don't have a problem with black people only drawing black characters, what's so wrong about Asian people only drawing Asians?

@HiBuddyyyyyy

Жыл бұрын

@glo0micq273 I don’t care what she draws personally, but you can’t see the implications of her going ‘I won’t draw ugly people’ and her not drawing dark skin people? Can you not see how that might sound like she’s saying dark skin people are ugly?

@flowerflow6554

Жыл бұрын

She is drawing anime characters 90% of the time so you should rather blame the creator of csm or the spy x family writer😆

@Glo0micq

Жыл бұрын

@@HiBuddyyyyyy she's talking about facial FEATURES, it has nothing to do with skin color.

@HiBuddyyyyyy

Жыл бұрын

@@Glo0micq she didn’t clarify that from what I’ve heard. I’m just saying that’s the implication you get when you combine those two things. This is going off on a bit of a tangent, but only talking about facial features is still a bit iffy since there are features that POC usually have that don’t fit that beauty standard she draws. I really don’t care what she draws, it’s just her calling people outside of what she draws ‘ugly’ rubs me the wrong way. Also it’s very easy to think ‘well she doesn’t draw ugly things’ and ‘she never draws this thing’ and have those two things combine. People are just putting two and two together here.

There's this idea that any artist with a big following should act like an angel to beginners and it pisses me off personally. She doesn't owe people advice or tips and her humor isn't meant to appeal to everyone. I even saw people saying she's racist for drawing East Asians only which is ???? Yes it's better to have diversity but she is East Asian herself and she can draw her own race all she wants, people twisting it in such a way is so weird to me

@crazypyp5871

11 ай бұрын

It’s not just for not drawing non East Asian people. It’s for calling those with certain features that are prominent in black people “gorillas” which is a term used against black people to treat them as animals and dehumanize them. She knows it’s wrong too because she took down that part of the video but still had not addressed it. If it was harmless and not meant to correlate then why not say that? People erasing the evidence without addressing it is just so people have no reference to go back on and hold her accountable.

@chvsnii8103

11 ай бұрын

@@crazypyp5871 I just want to clarify my comment was over a week ago, and I dont stand by defending her after what transcended from her actions I agree with you wholeheartedly

@lxmesoda

3 ай бұрын

personally im not a beginner artist or one with a big following but you should definitely not be rude to people either way

It’s so annoying when people decide to throw so much hate to artists just because they don’t like they’re art style, I used to get a lot of rude comments on my DeviantArt account and it always ruined my day, and it didn’t even happen that often, a lot of other artists are currently getting SHIT TONS of rude comments about their art and it’s so disheartening to see.

rin being one of my fave art commentary channels ever since that tiktok art fixer video i love your videos fr

I love the ‘drama’ between Sam and Kooleen, its pretty obvious that they’re both messing around, at least it seems that way to me. I don’t watch her but i watch him and i think it’s pretty funny.

@joshandcolbyobsessor

Жыл бұрын

no cuz when he commented back saying “ok koolaid” I WAS ROLLING

@belxxx3045

11 ай бұрын

That was definitely a PR stunt

I definitely think ppl just watch her for her commentary and humour I didn't know she was hated cause the one time I watched a few of her videos all the comments seemed pretty positive but ig that was a while ago

FINALLY IVE BEEN WAITING SINCE U TEASED IT IN UR INSTA STORY ‼️🗣️

The bubble braids, the voice, the art... I love Rin❤

Congrats on getting so many followers! Started following after watching one of your first videos, and will continue to be a loyal follower. Love your channel!

this isn't related to the video, but your hairstyles are always so pretty

she helped me a lot even though I'm a traditional and an alt style artist. I kinda like her humor even though everything is not too agreeable to me. people are different and I guess we really just have to accept that not everything will fit into the good and bad narrative. there's always many different shades of grey

Omg this is my first time ever watching your videos, I love your personality, your manner of speaking and humor, and you look absolutely gorgeous and put together!! Keep it up, give us more! Proud subscriber now :) ❤

i share a lot of Rin’s opinions about the art community, as well as social media…trying to get your art out there to reach anyone has become increasingly difficult. (in my experience)

Its not koleens fault but i hate opening instagram and seeing 30 people with the same copy and paste artstyle, its the same as samdoesart, they draw the same thing over and over again and people copy them, so it makes it worst

wish ppl said East Asian when they mean East Asian instead of saying asian. bc as a brown indian asian person, TRUST ME I rarely see someone my race in art lmao

@eiririnn

11 ай бұрын

True my bad, sorry about that

Why is your art improvement so good! I'm jealous!

My day get SOO much better when rin posts

Kooleen is just a loud 18-19 ish year old person who got way too much attention out of luck She’s still a late teen. Ppl need to cut her some slack and not take her so seriously

@Danihelmanart

11 ай бұрын

that being said she has done a racism and that should be taken seriously

I only draw pretty people but my pretty people look different because not just one type of person is pretty, loads of different faces are pretty.

IVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO TALK ABOUT HER FOR SO LONG TY

Another thing that she does is degrade other artstyle's and calls her art ''the best.'' style I find this extremely disgusting even if it is as a ''joke.''

Iv'e noticed a lot of people complain about her changing art styles of her fans but thats almost entirely the point, you upload your work and Kooleen basically just puts into her own style thats exactly what the fan is asking for when uploading their work..

Too many beginners take these KZreadrs’ word as gospel when art is really a huge problem solving exercise. If you’re a beginner and are actually hungry for knowledge, you need to take information and inspiration from a variety of sources because these people are not all equal in terms of the quality of info they provide. Someone can display great skill and be a very poor teacher. I personally don’t like Kooleen’s humor, and her art doesn’t appeal to me. I don’t hate her; I just choose to not watch. She doesn’t deserve hate, but she does deserve criticism for potentially guiding impressionable artists down a rocky road.

video hasn't started yet, just wanna say your hair is soooo cute I love it

the fact that she thinks 1000 followers isnt a lot really says something

Is she really this hated? I really like her, damn I really did not know that. But great video Rin, love your channel cant wait for you to grow!

@naraku971

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's not like the people asking her to roast and fix her art go into what they are asking for don't expect the goofy comments from her. She knows exactly what she's doing, and so do they.

The Kooleenism took me OUTTTT

ohh love your videos. I found you on TikTok but I am so glad I found your KZread channel too. Love your commentary

Why is Rin literally speaking facts. Rin if you see this I want u to know you’re one of my favorite artists on social media. You’re honest and to the point and have some of the best tips. I’d love to show you some of my art someday. Love u girlie! Keep up the good work 🩵🩵🩵

Tbf the fanart thing is correct. A lot of people already know the character thats drawn and like the art/artist. I draw fanart mostly, but whenever i draw ocs they always get less attention. Industry wise - a lot of people buy fanart items. I follow a lot of fanartists who open their own shops filled with fanart they did. So making money off their art doesn't really fully depend on other industries.

Happy to see another video from you 💞

Thoughtful takes, stellar energy, cool art? Loving what you do, def subscribing

ITS SO FUN SEEING RIN GROW :)

I think her lack of diversity in her art would be fine if she wasn’t giving out critiques to other artists who will inevitably have a wide variety of features. That and her only saying to draw “sexy” features or whatever rubs me the wrong way since all she draws is white/pale skinny people with smooth skin… idk that’s more of a personal thing as a fat person that makes me iffy, I don’t care if it’s a joke, it’s the kind of mean spirited jabbing at several communities that have had those insults thrown at us for years. Hopefully this makes sense

There are quite a percentage of people just hating on her cuz she doesn't draw poc. Like what hell man? Let her be... I'm a poc but I'm not as offended. She was ignorant and I'm pretty sure she had no idea that she was unintentionally racist.

If they are hurting people? ✨Violence✨

even if with the with washing and stuff just keep the skin the same dont change it at all changing any race or skin is not okay at all. for ex: if you are drawing a indian char and make them black instead that is taking rep form one race and giving it to another.

@7osewood

11 ай бұрын

ur so real for this

i think some people are taking her "i dont draw ugly people" comment a lil too seriously since shes been making that joke since she started out (ig the joke gets a lil iffy when she only draws east asian and eurocentric features) but i really doubt it has anything to do with racism per se since she herself is east asian so mayb she finds it easier or comforting to only draw those features??

@HiBuddyyyyyy

Жыл бұрын

I’m sorry if this sounds super antagonistic, I don’t mean it to be, but a lot of people are saying that she’s joking. But how can you tell? I personally can’t really tell if there is a difference in her tone of voice when she’s joking, but she also really does only draw conventionally attractive people and said that whole thing about chasing clout and that sounded serious.

@khoi101

Жыл бұрын

@@HiBuddyyyyyy dw u rnt coming off as antagonistic as her humour is kinda hard to catch since its mostly sarcasm plus she has a rlly monotone voice so it just sounds like shes speaking normally. honestly she could actually be saying the truth, infact i think theres halftruth to what she says and propably believes, but its also so ridiculous that i just chalked it upto her as joking

@belxxx3045

11 ай бұрын

​@@khoi101people are trying to pass her humor off as campy and troll-y when there are so many other creators with campy humor who get praised for it like Rin herself, when the issue is that her personality>talent which is what fuels her hate and her fans: leaving room for people to take her 'jokes' one way or another.

Your hand motions are everything 😭

Your channel grew SOO much sence last month i was you 8000th sub :00

i dont dislike her at all, but doing art fixing (not really a fan of that but i digress) and tutorials when you have severe same face syndrome...

@Kianaa_08

Жыл бұрын

Shes said in her own videos that the videos are more like drawing this in my style and not fixing art and the titles are just click bait

@onkelmac

Жыл бұрын

@@Kianaa_08 yeah i get that, but a lot of her audience are beginner artists who are looking for advice, and some people might not get that its not meant to be used like a tutorial. but, yeah, shes totally allowed to have fun with titles and that, im not really mad at that lol